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[JohnQPublic]

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I was invited by John to watch this so I did and will watch the full.

This post is for John, he is Christian, and all Christians should watch this.

I will use this as an opportunity to highlight some of my previous comments on Philosophy.

Some of which I do not talk about so as not to give trolls ideas, Western Philosophy , it's
start, and the process for hundreds of years, gave us the Scientific Method, it's principles
are the same today, as they were in the past, no dogma's, scientific discovery, testing,
argument, the writing of essays/ideas, their circulation, and the Ancient Philosophers here
took each other apart.

Western Philosophy starts with Hesiod. Some Profs may disagree
with me but I can take them on and give references to others.

So what does all this have to do with what I just saw by John's post ?

I gave you an overview above, believe it or not.

I have done quite a few podcasts and lots of reading here.

Even the Occult corrupts Hesiod, they steal from him and corrupt it.
They love doing that to Greek Classics, which is one of the main
reasons why from what I saw on GIM , trolls, skyvike, goldie, etc ,
I went back to the Classics and did these studies.

HESIOD

" ORDER OUT OF CHAOS "

Hesiod is actually discussing matter, a big bang, something from nothing, creation .

Keep in mind these societies were studying the Cosmos and they knew alot.

THALES

" What Hesiod states is not possible . " , Western Philosophy according to some starts here,
Scientific Discovery begins.

This is the beginning of the history that leads to the Atomist's and so on right
down the line ... there is no peace between the Philosophers constantly taking
each other apart and learning , moving forward, there are no sacred dogmas .

Truth is primary. Many claim Christianity stopped this, that is a blatant lie
given to you by trolls and some Profs online have started to respond to the
troll version of history, Christians built the West . The Greek Philosophers
laid the foundation for Christianity, Christianity was born in the Hellenistic Kingdoms,
Plato is proof of this, his philosophy becomes Christian philosophy, Plato is the
second most influential person to Christianity, right after Jesus Christ.
Ignorance is bliss to the trolls out there, even some Christians are deniers of this
real history.

If I do not get Perm Banned on here, I will open a thread on this, it will be more
grand and spectacular than my Classical thread on agora that drove trolls and
jews mad, full of references , authors names, significance, etc,

So what does all this have to do with what John posted in conclusion ?

One of the things I found striking is more than one Prof stating that today
we have many of the same arguments between Philosophers and Scientists,
that the Ancient Philosophers had. Quite incredible, so incredible I did not
quite understand it and still don't , how can this be possible ?

We are back to the same ancient arguments, and this video John put up
goes through this argument. It is the Big Bang theory and Hesiod Vs Thales,
I am putting it to you in these terms as a laymen and reader, but that is
basically what it is.

Seems those Philosophy Profs were right, Scientists and Philosophers to this day.

I felt it my duty to post all this recapping.

" ORDER OUT OF CHAOS " HESIOD

The Occult, denies God, denies Jesus, denies the Classics, hates Plato.

Even Albert Pike's statue shows this, displayed at " justice square " LOL ,
he towers over a Freedom Goddess, he is " god ", no accident he is presented
this way. He also towers over one of the Greatest Christian banners, of one
of the Greatest Christian Empires, the Byzantines/Rome, he is presented
as Conquerer, both are at his feet subserviant to him,
God and Law are under him as Master.

They are our " gods " , they bring us " order out of chaos " ,
they have corrupted Hesiod. Nothing the Occult does is original,
they are parasites, " anti's " . Their root is the ancient " gnostics " .

Why ? Hesiod writes 2 of the first 4 books of Western Man, Western History.

The primary and dominant concept in The Theogony, is Justice, the most important
Greek Gods to the Greeks were honored as primary because they were directly involved
with this concept. Which becomes Classical Greek Philosophy and become Christian Philosophy.

The above points I make are not my ideas, I have put some basic stuff together.

I wanted to personally thank Masonic Plot and Skyvike for showing this path of truth to me.

My thanks are sincere. I want Masonic Plot unbanned.

Gaillo, why you ban my Masonic Plot buddy, Dam IT !;D

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Their root is the ancient " gnostics " .

Why are the gnostics bad?

Here's my view of it.

The western philosophy you are talking about is indeed very important and a key to truth. I personally think the universe is a kind of perfect machine and if we hope to understand it we need to use objective reasoning and science because that's what the universe is made out of. I think that the philosophers have made a lot of progress to us understanding the nature of the universe, the nature of truth, and other key areas.

But there's another aspect which I think you're missing. We live in two different worlds at the same time: everything that exists outside of us, that was here before we were born and will be here when we are gone, but also one that exists solely within our skulls which is our experience of being human. All the western philosophers are addressing the first aspect, whereas the occult and gnostics are addressing the second aspect.

So there are two worlds we're, one external and the other internal to our skulls. The external world is objective between all of us and there are key questions and ideas about how to explore it and what it is.

The internal world, however, is our personal experience which can only experienced by us as individuals. That's why it's called "occult", because it's hidden. There are two schools of thought in the "occult" study. One is that we exist independent of the external world, and in fact that the only real world that exists at all is ourselves. This is the Occult (capitalized). It's known as the Lucifer experiment - that is, mistaking yourself as the source of all creation. There is a large body of knowledge and tradition advancing this aspect, most notably with satanists and other followers of the "left hand path".

But the other side of the occult, of which the gnosics belong, do not believe that they exist independently of the objective, external universe. They simply study the internal universe like philosophers study the external universe. But their tools are different because the same scientific method and objectivity can't be used and communicated to others when studying the internal universe. If Plato or other philosophers consider "God" or "god" to be the universe as a whole, in a divine harmony, with perhaps somehow existence being based on itself in some way, the gnostics believe the same thing. Except they apply it to the internal world we experience as opposed to the external world we experience. They aren't saying they are the "absolute" when they say they are god, just as the philosophers don't usually say there is an "absolute" God being running the universe. It's the same thing. Occultists however (capitalized), who subscribe to the left hand path, do believe they are an absolute God.

Gnostics and western philosophy aren't opposed to each other, rather they just describe and investigate two different world in which we both simultaneously exist. I think you should read Philip K Dick who explored both of these topics (both western philosophy and gnostic ideas) and merged them together. PKD is an example of a positive gnostic and he references western philosophy throughout his works. He spent decades writing scifi book which question the nature of reality. Towards the end of his life he had some kind of vision/mystical experience and tried for the last decade of his life or so to explain and understand what it was. Here's a link with one of his last books (called VALIS). It's a short novel which I think you will enjoy and perhaps it will give you some differentiation between gnostics and Occultists. VALIS link (https://mega.co.nz/#!4QMwybJI!MDxM8SDFeOW4TzJ2RMkXqzlmIrlRGhq7uH4xqT8 2n2o) It's written as fiction but it's a genre that defies category, it's part fiction, part philosophy, part autobiography, part religious. I hope you investigate this further.

[JohnQPublic]

In western thought, there is no inner and outer world. There is one world. Sure there is a spiritual dimension, but Gnostics just take it too far.

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In western thought, there is no inner and outer world. There is one world. Sure there is a spiritual dimension, but Gnostics just take it too far.

I am busy right now but we will get back to this, I will bring references,
nothing I haven't already stated on this forum with references in scattered posts.

As far as the " gnostics " original root and the perspective of my post, it is historical,
from University level courses, it is not from a mystical/religiousdogma/spiritual etc.
There is Christian Philosophy that created The West, reason, Law, Justice, etc ...
Totally separate from the mystical/spiritual/religious etc, for lack of better terms.

After all Christians built the West, they did not do it on faith alone.

John , Justice is a universal law of nature, when not applied there are consequences .

Just as the same Philosophers were studying the Cosmos and matter, physics, math ...

They were also studying Man and natural laws .

After my post above, written by myself as a layman, amateur student,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thales