Open letter to Sui Juris and all.

[Libertytree]

Being here in GSUS we're exposed to many trains of thought, philosophies and ideas from a wide swath of the awoken. A lot of what we read and question never fully answer our appetites for more concise information or are left with with a feeling that the OP's didn't really want to answer the Q's in the 1st place because they dodge and cloud the discussion with mystery jabber. It happens all over the net and this micro-casm is no different.

Except for one, Sui Juris.

He's taken on all comers and questioners, bar none. He's done it with decorum, a steadfast belief in his principles and backed it up time and again with facts, analogies and most of all plain common sense.

Now to the heart of this post... Thank you Sui Juris for educating me and showing me a new way of approaching the world we live in. I'll admit I was a stubborn dude and held on tightly, very tightly to old axioms, the Constitution and the words of the founders, I still do but not with the ferver I once did, old habits are hard to break I reckon. I'm not sure if it's called Anarchy or Voluntaryism or whatnot but it's making more sense by the day to me, more than anything else ever has.

Yeah, I still have questions and misgivings but all in all I have to admit that SJ and his viewpoints are correct and withstand mega scrutiny with ease. Politically or rather anti-politically my stances have shifted on account of his postings and I find myself better off for it and this is no small shift for me but it's a cumulative change that has left me in a position to make this post. I almost deleted it for fear of grandstanding or calling out a poster but it is what it is.

Thanks SJ and I hope that you keep on keepin' on spreading this message. I look forward to continuing to learn.

[Cebu_4_2]

Links?

[Ponce]

By listening to others I am helping myself because many times it gives me another path to follow.

V

[midnight rambler]

It's one thing to talk the talk, and an entirely different thing to walk the walk.

[Ponce]

But........even by listening to an idiot many times your can learn something because not everyone sees things the same way.

V

[Hatha Sunahara]

I have to go along with LT and pay my respects to SJ. He's steered my consciousness toward all the scenarios where force is being applied to my decisions, and where it's coming from. And that freedom starts in your mind. And radiates outward. I am by nature anti-authoritarian, and SJ's influence has allowed me to strengthen that and to be more of what I already am. So, thank you SJ--you're a great example for all of us.


Hatha

[mick silver]

he make you stop and think about what he had to say , freedom starts in your own head .... just my thought

[Kruger]

I'd also like to thank SJ publicly (already did privately) for being one of the most philosophically principled advocates of liberty I've read.

There are many posters here who see that they are treated like cattle and ruled and looted by a sociopathic elite. Most people though, it seems, focus on how their particular country or race is being subverted. This shit is happening to everyone worldwide, and has been going on since civilization began.

There will always be people who will steal, murder, and try to control others for the sake of power. It is every decent person's responsibility to protect themselves from these parasites. There are many ways this can be done. The one thing you absolutely do NOT want to do is create a government with a monopoly of force over a geographic area, with a multitude of offices/positions of power. Governments will always be a haven for sociopaths who are given the right to steal, murder, and control people (taxation, war, legislation) because of the myth that we need authority to protect and control us.

The problem is, people have been so fucking indoctrinated into obedience that they enable their own enslavement. If people woke the fuck up, including some people on this forum, the criminals would all be seen for what they are and would be dealt with like the petty thieves, murderers, tyrants they are instead of given political titles, badges, and uniforms with funny hats. We are like free range cattle... Because the more productive we are, the more they can reap from us. We are like slaves who beg for a new master every 4 years.

Ron Paul was a great influence on me, but he was, whether he knows or not, a gatekeeper. No one like him will ever get enough power to change the system. You'd have more of a chance infiltrating the NAACP as a KKK member, taking over and changing their philosophy than you would have taking control of government and changing it into a tool for liberty.

Anarchism is simply libertarian philosophy taken to its logical conclusions, with no moral exceptions made for the thugs and clowns hiding behind the veil of "government".

[Twisted Titan]

I personally give a hat tip for exposing me to Larken Rose videos

He has amazing thought process and he abilty to explain his views in a commonsense matter of fact way

I have used several LR statements verbatim to win a arguments.


Definately one of The GSUS Allstars.

[Ares]

SJ sent me a PM a month or so ago to say he's noticed that my train of thought has gone more Anarchist in nature. Which I guess goes along with the old internet saying.

What's the difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist? Answer: About six months.

SJ definitely had a hand in showing me the right way for human interaction. But I do put some of the credit on myself, as we all should. SJ merely showed us the well, it was up to us to drink. Now after altering my ways of seeing society, I see force, and coercion every where. Not just with government, but even in society as a whole. From just every day interactions getting a job with a new employer, to even filling up at your local gas station. Granted most of the force and coercion stems from government to those entities, in a lot of instances they are not compelled to do any of it. But they do "pass it on to their customers".

Once you have your eyes open to freedom, and come to the realization you do not need a government. You'll never go back to thinking some authority is okay. No human being should have authority over another. We are all equal, or we are not.

[Jewboo]

I have used several LR statements verbatim to win a arguments.




Larken Rose Larken Rose, an adherent of the 861 argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_861_argument), was sentenced to 15 months in prison for willful failure to file income tax returns in five years in which the government alleged that his income was approximately $500,000.[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-39) He was released from prison in December 2006.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-40)[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-41)

:rolleyes: he lost that argument

[Ares]

As did Wesley Snipes. He used the same argument. So what's your point? Or do you prefer to just hijack a thread to point out useless information?

Most people of the freedom mindset believe that they should have all of their wealth when they get paid for performing a task or service. Only a statist believes that the state is entitled to a private transaction between individuals.

[Jewboo]

So what's your point? Or do you prefer to just hijack a thread to point out useless information?



Too funny. Me posting the fact that Larken Rose went to PRISON is hijacking this thread that praises his legal arguments.

:rolleyes:

[7th trump]

Larken Rose Larken Rose, an adherent of the 861 argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_861_argument), was sentenced to 15 months in prison for willful failure to file income tax returns in five years in which the government alleged that his income was approximately $500,000.[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-39) He was released from prison in December 2006.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-40)[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-41)

:rolleyes: he lost that argument

I was going to post the very same thing about Larkin....but decided not to.

Larkin is one of those fella's if you give him enough rope he'll hang himself.
As you can see in the video hes not over having to go to prison and has moved onto morality to make his case.
But while yapping "morality" he beleives in sucking the public titty for free.......hes greedy and still upset.

Hey dont get me wrong....i beleive we should be able to keep 100% of the sweat of your brow, but not while on the public titty.......hes has a double standard and got a prison sentence thumping for it.

[Ares]

Too funny. Me posting the fact that Larken Rose went to PRISON is hijacking this thread that praises his legal arguments.

:rolleyes:


What's funny is you thinking that the state is some type of authority figure.

Who did Larken Rose harm to end up in prison? Who was the injured party? Whose property was damaged that resulted in Mr. Rose being imprisoned?

Was Mr. Rose imprisonment proper? Or was it done to deter others from keeping what is rightfully theirs?

Since we all know that you're a true statist book. We know the answers to those questions and feel that Mr. Rose's imprisonment was justified since he "didn't give his fair share."

[Ares]

I was going to post the very same thing about Larkin....but decided not to.

Larkin is one of those fella's if you give him enough rope he'll hang himself.
As you can see in the video hes not over having to go to prison and has moved onto morality to make his case.
But while yapping "morality" he beleives in sucking the public titty for free.......hes greedy and still upset.

Hey dont get me wrong....i beleive we should be able to keep 100% of the sweat of your brow, but not while on the public titty.......hes has a double standard and got a prison sentence thumping for it.

Definitely is a double standard if he is going to use said services, he should be held accountable for paying for them. I haven't read much into him other than his wikipedia page. Wasn't aware he was on the public dole. You have any links I can look to see so that I can be aware of that in the future?

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Too funny. Me posting the fact that Larken Rose went to PRISON is hijacking this thread that praises his legal arguments.

:rolleyes:


A corrupt system will still send you to jail no matter how sound your arguments may be.

[Son-of-Liberty]

I generally agree with Sui Juris. I came across Larkin Rose through other means and listening to him did have an affect on my thought process. Then I heard Sui Juris on this forum and was like heh, this stuff is catching on.

Thanks Sui Juris.

[Jewboo]

What's funny is you thinking that the state is some type of authority figure.




http://images.esellerpro.com/2466/I/993/3/Prison%20Break%20Convict1.jpg
LARKIN ROSE




Larkin Rose himself must have thought the state IS some type of authority figure since he walked into and stayed in their PRISON for fifteen months.

:rolleyes:

[Ares]

http://images.esellerpro.com/2466/I/993/3/Prison%20Break%20Convict1.jpg
LARKIN ROSE




Larkin Rose himself must have thought the state IS some type of authority figure since he walked into and stayed in their PRISON for fifteen months.

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

typical book, contributes nothing of substance.

[Libertytree]

:rolleyes:

typical book, contributes nothing of substance.

Just like the state/authority, the similarities are striking.

[Ares]

Just like the state/authority, the similarities are striking.

It takes one to know one. So now it's pretty apparent why Book loves the state so much. The state loves him too, as he's a good little sheep. Doesn't question the status qua, pays his "fair share", and makes sure to tell his friends what a good trustworthy authority figure the state is.

:rolleyes:

[Libertytree]

It takes one to know one. So now it's pretty apparent why Book loves the state so much. The state loves him too, as he's a good little sheep. Doesn't question the status qua, pays his "fair share", and makes sure to tell his friends what a good trustworthy authority figure the state is.

:rolleyes:

When it's your job it's just doing what you're told to do.

[Ares]

When it's your job it's just doing what you're told to do.

Touche`

[ximmy]

boys being boys... :rolleyes:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu1JMbSLPvc

[Horn]

Once you have your eyes open to freedom, and come to the realization you do not need a government. You'll never go back to thinking some authority is okay. No human being should have authority over another. We are all equal, or we are not.

In theory you are correct, but in real practice you would be easily conquered by a communist dictator.

Of course tptb needs more Unconstitutional Anarchists added to its enemies ranks.

[Ares]

In theory you are correct, but in real practice you would be easily conquered by a communist dictator.

Of course tptb needs more Unconstitutional Anarchists added to its enemies ranks.

If there was no government, how would a communist dictator form an army to conquer said volunteer society?

[Horn]

If there was no government, how would a communist dictator form an army to conquer said volunteer society?

You're a lousy Anarchist if you think you're going to pass and enforce a law prohibiting me from forming an area to govern.

Don't you know Horn loves to have his boots licked by "Freemen"?

[Libertytree]

You're a lousy Anarchist if you think you're going to pass and enforce a law prohibiting me from forming an area to govern.

Don't you know Horn loves to have his boots licked by "Freemen"?

No need to pass a law, just shoot ya.

Not you per se :)

[EE_]

Originally Posted by Ares
Once you have your eyes open to freedom, and come to the realization you do not need a government. You'll never go back to thinking some authority is okay. No human being should have authority over another. We are all equal, or we are not.

Sure wish we could get this message over to Congress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7lVKaoVc74

[Horn]

No need to pass a law, just shoot ya.

Not you per se :)

Good Luck, Alice.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGqdhD0kMvw

[iOWNme]

Being here in GSUS we're exposed to many trains of thought, philosophies and ideas from a wide swath of the awoken. A lot of what we read and question never fully answer our appetites for more concise information or are left with with a feeling that the OP's didn't really want to answer the Q's in the 1st place because they dodge and cloud the discussion with mystery jabber. It happens all over the net and this micro-casm is no different.

Except for one, Sui Juris.

He's taken on all comers and questioners, bar none. He's done it with decorum, a steadfast belief in his principles and backed it up time and again with facts, analogies and most of all plain common sense.

Now to the heart of this post... Thank you Sui Juris for educating me and showing me a new way of approaching the world we live in. I'll admit I was a stubborn dude and held on tightly, very tightly to old axioms, the Constitution and the words of the founders, I still do but not with the ferver I once did, old habits are hard to break I reckon. I'm not sure if it's called Anarchy or Voluntaryism or whatnot but it's making more sense by the day to me, more than anything else ever has.

Yeah, I still have questions and misgivings but all in all I have to admit that SJ and his viewpoints are correct and withstand mega scrutiny with ease. Politically or rather anti-politically my stances have shifted on account of his postings and I find myself better off for it and this is no small shift for me but it's a cumulative change that has left me in a position to make this post. I almost deleted it for fear of grandstanding or calling out a poster but it is what it is.

Thanks SJ and I hope that you keep on keepin' on spreading this message. I look forward to continuing to learn.


Thank you for the kind words LT.......Im humbled and very appreciative.

I do not claim to know everything or have all of the answers to life's mysteries. But one thing i do understand is my own conscience and free will. They guide me through life, and always have. Every single human on this planet is capable of using their own judgement and value set in their day to day life, but there is something embedded inside their minds that will not allow them to objectively look at the world. When it comes to their own personal life, almost nobody uses the initiation of violence to get what they want. Almost everybody recognizes that as wrong and unjust.

But when it comes to the 'belief' in 'Government' those very same well meaning good-natured people all of a sudden throw away their own free will and follow the 'Laws' of the most insane narcissistic anti-human self-contradictory irrational parasitic VIOLENT GANG on the face of the earth. I decided to try and figure out why......And here i am.

I would like to add that its not about 'bashing' the US CON or the Founders. Its about staying morally straight, and not swerving outside of it. The Founders did and said A LOT of great things. They also did and said A LOT of the same old authoritarian CRAP that had been plaguing humanity for thousands of years. If you cannot separate the good stuff they did/said from the evil stuff they did/said, then how can you possibly have any type of objective morality inside your own head? People like Thomas Jefferson wrote amazing stuff like "All men are created equal". Yet he OWNED SLAVES. And when it was time to form the new 'Government' he turned right around and said "Congress shall have the power to tax". How did we go from "all men are created equal" to "Some men can steal from other men". Thomas Jefferson DI NOT have the moral right to 'tax' anyone, but he still IMAGINED that he and the Founders could delegate a Right that none of them had. It DOES NOT pass the sniff test of human morality, and that is just one tiny example.

Thanks to GSUS and ALL of its members. Even if i disagree with you, i still choose to read the info and come to my own conclusion. I have learned from a great amount of posters here on a great amount of topics, and i will continue to learn.

But there is one single thing that DOES EXIST that cannot be undone, cannot be altered or amended, cannot be increased or decreased, cannot be transferred or sold and that is this: EACH PERSON OWNS THEMSELVES. And no man has the moral Right or 'Authority' to attempt to run another mans life. NO MAN can be made into a Rightful Master, and NO MAN can be made into a Rightful Slave. ANY attempt to try and subvert this NATURAL LAW is to be RESISTED AND DISOBEYED at all costs. The future of Humanity hangs inside this one simple logical rational line of reasoning.

[iOWNme]

It's one thing to talk the talk, and an entirely different thing to walk the walk.

Since i know this a poke at me, i will respond.

(Rememebr you sent me a PM asking about how i 'conduct' myself? I replied with answers and more questions for you.....But you never replied. :( )

I have never denied i do not pay income tax. I never denied i do not pay into SS. I never denied i do not have a DL, etc. The ONE THING i do claim is that I DO NOT IMAGINE i am morally obligated to do ANY of those things. Now, i may choose to do these things out of fear or pure survival......Neither of those are irrational behavior.

I fully grasp the fact the all 'Law' is nothing more than an attempt to legitimize the immoral use of FORCE. Do you IMAGINE that there is some sort of 'good' 'Government'? Do you IMAGINE that the Founding of this country was anything other than the CREATION OF A PARASITIC RULING CLASS?

[iOWNme]

I have to go along with LT and pay my respects to SJ. He's steered my consciousness toward all the scenarios where force is being applied to my decisions, and where it's coming from. And that freedom starts in your mind. And radiates outward. I am by nature anti-authoritarian, and SJ's influence has allowed me to strengthen that and to be more of what I already am. So, thank you SJ--you're a great example for all of us.


Hatha


Thank you Hatha.

EDIT: I confused Hatha with Madfranks on this one....My bad!

Hatha is another member who i enjoy reading his posts. They are always of sound reason and logic.

[iOWNme]

I'd also like to thank SJ publicly (already did privately) for being one of the most philosophically principled advocates of liberty I've read.

There are many posters here who see that they are treated like cattle and ruled and looted by a sociopathic elite. Most people though, it seems, focus on how their particular country or race is being subverted. This shit is happening to everyone worldwide, and has been going on since civilization began.

There will always be people who will steal, murder, and try to control others for the sake of power. It is every decent person's responsibility to protect themselves from these parasites. There are many ways this can be done. The one thing you absolutely do NOT want to do is create a government with a monopoly of force over a geographic area, with a multitude of offices/positions of power. Governments will always be a haven for sociopaths who are given the right to steal, murder, and control people (taxation, war, legislation) because of the myth that we need authority to protect and control us.

The problem is, people have been so fucking indoctrinated into obedience that they enable their own enslavement. If people woke the fuck up, including some people on this forum, the criminals would all be seen for what they are and would be dealt with like the petty thieves, murderers, tyrants they are instead of given political titles, badges, and uniforms with funny hats. We are like free range cattle... Because the more productive we are, the more they can reap from us. We are like slaves who beg for a new master every 4 years.

Ron Paul was a great influence on me, but he was, whether he knows or not, a gatekeeper. No one like him will ever get enough power to change the system. You'd have more of a chance infiltrating the NAACP as a KKK member, taking over and changing their philosophy than you would have taking control of government and changing it into a tool for liberty.

Anarchism is simply libertarian philosophy taken to its logical conclusions, with no moral exceptions made for the thugs and clowns hiding behind the veil of "government".


You summed it up batter than i could have! GREAT post!

[iOWNme]

I personally give a hat tip for exposing me to Larken Rose videos

He has amazing thought process and he abilty to explain his views in a commonsense matter of fact way

I have used several LR statements verbatim to win a arguments.


Definately one of The GSUS Allstars.


I agree with you.

I had read Bastiat's 'The Law' and i had read Spooners 'No Treason' and they both rang a deep bell inside my head. But it wasnt until i read Larkens book 'The Most Dangerous Superstition' that i was able to connect them all together. Larken has an amazing way of crytalizing simple ideas using basic everyday scenarios that REALLY allows people to see the fraud for what it is.

It is a testament to how well the belief in 'Authority' warps and twists your mind. It literally makes you see the world in a way that is HORRIBLY destructive and anti-human. Yet the answer in breaking away from it is so simple, im stuck wondering why i couldnt see the world for what it REALLY is on my own? I have figured out that it is because it is a lie that you were taught by your parents because they believed the lie as well. Then you went to school where the teacher parroted back the lie to you over and over. What do you call a lie that EVERYONE believes, and that almost nobody see's as a lie?

[Libertytree]

I agree with you.

I had read Bastiat's 'The Law' and i had read Spooners 'No Treason' and they both rang a deep bell inside my head. But it wasnt until i read Larkens book 'The Most Dangerous Superstition' that i was able to connect them all together. Larne has an amazing way of crytalizing simple ideas using basic everyday scenarios that REALLY allows people to see the fraud for what it is.

It is a testament to how well the belief in 'Authority' warps and twists your mind. It literally makes you see the world in a way that is HORRIBLY destructive and anti-human. Yet the answer in breaking away from it is so simple, im stuck wondering why i couldnt see the world for what it REALLY is on my own? I have figured out that it is because it is a lie that you were taught by your parents because they believed the lie as well. Then you went to school where the teacher parroted back the lie to you over and over. What do you call a lie that EVERYONE believes, and that almost nobody see's as a lie?

This, is exactly why I wrote my initial post. This is the veil that is being lifted from my mind.

[iOWNme]

SJ sent me a PM a month or so ago to say he's noticed that my train of thought has gone more Anarchist in nature. Which I guess goes along with the old internet saying.

What's the difference between a Libertarian and an Anarchist? Answer: About six months.

SJ definitely had a hand in showing me the right way for human interaction. But I do put some of the credit on myself, as we all should. SJ merely showed us the well, it was up to us to drink. Now after altering my ways of seeing society, I see force, and coercion every where. Not just with government, but even in society as a whole. From just every day interactions getting a job with a new employer, to even filling up at your local gas station. Granted most of the force and coercion stems from government to those entities, in a lot of instances they are not compelled to do any of it. But they do "pass it on to their customers".

Once you have your eyes open to freedom, and come to the realization you do not need a government. You'll never go back to thinking some authority is okay. No human being should have authority over another. We are all equal, or we are not.

Thanks Ares!

I enjoy your posts a tremendous amount. I say you deserve 99.9% of the credit. Because the HARDEST part about waking up is having to let go of all of your preconceived notions about how the world works. It takes facing your biased opinions and removing all of the contradictions inside your own head. It is INCREDIBLY difficult for most people, because in essence you are having to admit to yourself that you have been WRONG about how the world works. And almost NOBODY wants to admit it.

But i will! I will admit i used to IMAGINE that the world worked a certain way, and it wasnt until i was willing to give up my superstitions that i was able to break the mental chains that is the Matrix. Some people take a lot more intellectual kicking and screaming. And just like you said, once those mental chains are broken there is no possible way that you can be lied to again. And THATS why the system (and some members here) have to bash Anarchy. Because once you break out of the cult of STATISM, all of a sudden their entire game of 'politics' crumbles into dust. Once the concept of self ownership and the non aggression principle are fully understood inside the mind of an individual, that individual is now like a CANCER to 'Government' and its minions.

Good news is that 'cancer' has already started to grow in this country, and THERE IS NO CURE, the belief in 'Government' is DOOMED.

[iOWNme]

Larken Rose

Larken Rose, an adherent of the 861 argument (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_861_argument), was sentenced to 15 months in prison for willful failure to file income tax returns in five years in which the government alleged that his income was approximately $500,000.[39] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-39) He was released from prison in December 2006.[40] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-40)[41] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_protester_history_in_the_United_States#cite_no te-41)

:rolleyes: he lost that argument


You do realize that you are pointing to the scribbles of Masonic CRIMINALS (sometimes called 'Judges') in order to show that one must pay money to the same Masonic CRIMINALS?


Book i have tried to communicate with you. You have so many friggin contradictions inside your own head im not even sure YOU know what your saying.

I still love you though.

[iOWNme]

I was going to post the very same thing about Larkin....but decided not to.

Larkin is one of those fella's if you give him enough rope he'll hang himself.
As you can see in the video hes not over having to go to prison and has moved onto morality to make his case.

Im sorry man, but come on. YOU dont have a clue about what Larken has done. (Because you never watch his videos, and never read his stuff) He BLATANTLY called out the IRS many times about him not paying income tax. He put ads in the paper calling them out. He was loud and public about it. It was an experiment for him. He was an Anarchist way before ANY of his tax dealings. He decided to literally go to trial to try and show people that the system does not even follow its own laws. He could have used the moral argument, but chose to use the supposed 'law' in hopes that people would see the 'Government' for what it is. He KNEW the only way he would win is if 'jurors' wanted him to. Again, whether you agree or not is irrelevant, it was an experiment. He documented EVERYTHING on his website as it was happening. The Judge and Prosecutor both acknowledged Larken did not try and 'dodge' his taxes, which is why he was only convicted of a misdemeanor, not even a felony. This entire story from start to finish is laid out in his book 'Kicking the Dragon', if you want to read it. It tells about all of the mindless satanic shit the IRS did to him and his family. The raids, they had to endure, the stolen books they took with no judgement or anything, etc.

But wait, i bet that you IMAGINE that because Larken did not send a piece of paper to the 'Politicians' (sometimes called 'taxes') that he deserved all of that, right? He actually had the fucking BALLS to play 'Kick the Dragon' and you shun him for this? WHO CARES if he won or lost, the moral point DOESNT CHANGE. Holy fuck man....


But while yapping "morality" he beleives in sucking the public titty for free.......hes greedy and still upset.

Hey dont get me wrong....i beleive we should be able to keep 100% of the sweat of your brow, but not while on the public titty.......hes has a double standard and got a prison sentence thumping for it.

Care to present any evidence of this? The guy cant even 'work' because the IRS fined him over $300k and would STEAL (sometimes called 'garnish') his labor.

[iOWNme]

Definitely is a double standard if he is going to use said services, he should be held accountable for paying for them.


If i come STEAL your money and then build you a crappy road, would you say that you are 'using' services?

'Government' has NO MONEY that it didnt steal from an individual. So no matter what 'services' anyone may get, THEY ALREADY FUCKING PAID FOR THEM.

7th is so indocturnated into the cult of STATISM that he literally cannot even think rationally. He IMAGINES that when someone has their money STOLEN from them by FORCE, that they are getting some type of 'service' in return.

[Ares]

If i come STEAL your money and then build you a crappy road, would you say that you are 'using' services?

'Government' has NO MONEY that it didnt steal from an individual. So no matter what 'services' anyone may get, THEY ALREADY FUCKING PAID FOR THEM.

7th is so indocturnated into the cult of STATISM that he literally cannot even think rationally. He IMAGINES that when someone has their money STOLEN from them by FORCE, that they are getting some type of 'service' in return.

Not at all, the way 7th Trump phrased it. It made it sound as if Larken was on the public dole for welfare. I'm of the same conclusions, that we shouldn't be funding them for anyone. However I asked for evidence but haven't seen it yet. I haven't been able to locate anything saying that Larken is collecting welfare either. So my statement should be disregarded.

I'll have to read that book you were discussing earlier called kicking the dragon. Sounds interesting, and definitely worth the read.

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Not at all, the way 7th Trump phrased it. It made it sound as if Larken was on the public dole for welfare. I'm of the same conclusions, that we shouldn't be funding them for anyone. However I asked for evidence but haven't seen it yet. I haven't been able to locate anything saying that Larken is collecting welfare either. So my statement should be disregarded.

I'll have to read that book you were discussing earlier called kicking the dragon. Sounds interesting, and definitely worth the read.

Larkin is participating in Social Security, his company was most likely incorporated into the government for limited protection....that is being on the public dole.
You cant be foolish with the government ...you are either all in or all out....not a foot in or a hand in. You are either private or public...theres no in between grey area.
Social Security is their cash cow...without it they cannot impose the income tax.
You can argue all you want about receiving social security benefits or not constituting participation, but he still has benefits of social security available to his request.

I don't feel sorry for larkin no matter how much he plays this emotions card.....it was a foolish publicity stunt to think he was doing this to show everyone they don't obey their own laws.....I'm not buying this show he supposedly put on to show everyone....that's a damn lie.
The 861 argument is no argument to play around with the IRS to "show people".
I was around keeping an eye on larkin when I was studying Irwin Schiff tax materials back in the middle 1990's.
Sui is pulling your leg about Larkin....Larkin is reckless, not to mention greedy.
I wouldn't doubt that sui is larkin.
Whats in it for Sui to keep pushing larkin?
Why is he protecting Larkin with this story about showing people the government doesn't obey their own laws?
Sounds fishy to me.

I just lost an hours worth of a reply that I had typed up....I'm going to have to retype it at a later time....to late in the night to retype it over now.