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Ares
10th December 2013, 11:21 AM
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, copy 'em, and then beat 'em. While everyone's attention has been glued to Bitcoin (and its various smaller and less viable for now alternative digital currencies), JPMorgan has submitted a patent which appears to set the scene for a competing centralized network to Bitcoin. As LetsTalkBitcoin noted first, the "Method and system for processing internet payments using the electronic funds transfer network," states that Chase's technology is a "new paradigm." Moreover that it permits the creation of "virtual cash" (also referred to as "web cash") with a "real-time digital exchange of value."

Via eCreditDaily,

Imagine paying for some product in a transaction directly with the seller that doesn’t include a costly third-party fee or the revelation of a personal account number — the current components that comprise credit card and debit card purchases. Imagine this system with a “real-time digital exchange of value.” And imagine that you can archive all the transactions in a personal digital wallet, with its own “Internet Pay Anyone (IPA)” account and inherent safeguards built-in, something that you could call “Virtual Private Lockbox (VPL),” according to JPMorgan’s patent.



If this “web cash” system — as JPMorgan Chase calls it — seems familiar, it should. It smacks of the peer-to-peer transactions of bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies that increasingly are making the world’s biggest banks uneasy about the future of e-commerce.



The patent, first revealed by LetsTalkBitcoin.com, is a fascinating look into JPMorgan’s veiled outlook on the evolving but growing bitcoin universe, and other more widely-accepted payment systems.



JPMorgan’s proposed system offers another eerily familiar component, which seemingly mimics “blockchain,” a publicly available, permanent ledger of bitcoin transactions.



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Without naming the virtual currency or any competing payments system by name, the bank takes a swipe at the crytocurrency model.



“None of the emerging efforts to date have gotten more than a toehold in the market place and momentum continues to build in favor of credit cards,” according to Chase’s patent application published by The United States Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO). It was filed August 5th, 2013.



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JPMorgan Chase sees “a new marketplace” emerging for “low dollar, high volume, real-time payments with payment surety for both consumers and producers.”



As LetsTalkBitcoin.com points out, “Bitcoin has also been ballyhooed for it use with micro-payments and payments under ten dollars due to its zero to negligible fee structure.”



JPMorgan Chase: “The present invention further enables small dollar financial transactions, allows for the creation of ‘web cash’ as well as provides facilities for customer service and record-keeping.”

While naming protocols for these vitual currencies is uncertain, we can't help but think "Dimons" would be appropriate as the web cash becomes increasingly more trusted.



LetsTalkBitcoin discusses how JPMorgan's proposed system works:

Under The Hood: Internet Pay Anyone



“…The structural components to the system of the present invention include:



a Payment Portal Processor; a digital Wallet;
an Internet Pay Anyone (IPA) Account;
a Virtual Private Lockbox (VPL);
an Account Reporter;
the existing EFT networks;
and a cash card.



“…The Payment Portal Processor (PPP) is a software application that augments any Internet browser with e-commerce capability. The PPP software sits in front of and provides a secure portal for accessing (finking to) the user’s. Demand Deposit Accounts (DDA) and IPA accounts. The PPP enables the user to push electronic credits from its DDA and IPA accounts to any other accounts through the EFT network…”



“…The {technology} …includes freely publishing the payment address and making it available to users of an internet portal or search engine…”



“…Currently, all Internet transactions use “pull” technology in which a merchant must receive the consumer’s account number (and in some cases PIN number) in order to complete a payment. The payment methods of the present invention conversely use “push” technology in which users (consumers or businesses) push an EFT credit from their IPA or DDA accounts to a merchant’s account, without having to provide their own sensitive account information…”



A New Paradigm



“…The present invention represents a new paradigm for effectuating electronic payments that leverages existing platforms, conventional payment infrastructures and currently available web-based technology to enable e-commerce in both the virtual and physical marketplace. The concept provides a safe, sound, and secure method that allows users (consumers) to shop on the Internet, pay bills, and pay anyone virtually anywhere, all without the consumer having to share account number information with the payee. Merchants receive immediate payment confirmation through the Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) network so they can ship their product with confidence that the payment has already been received. The present invention further enables small dollar financial transactions, allows for the creation of “web cash” as well as provides facilities for customer service and record-keeping…”

and the implications:

I view this technology and patent application as an overwhelming good thing. Bitcoin is driving Innovation. It has been said that credit cards and the legacy banking system in use today was never meant for use over the internet. Chase’s updated Internet Pay Anyone technology appears to come head to head with Bitcoin. (Ares Note: Because you copied the protocol which was open source to begin with, and instead of leaving it Peer to Peer you centralized it and slapped your name on it. Bitcoin has many, many clones, and now Big banks are getting in on the action. LOL)



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While it remains to be seen if this technology is a “Bitcoin Killer,” other players such as eBay/PayPal (which have been riding under Bitcoin’s coattails through marketing gimmicks) ought to pay close attention to this emerging technology. If Bitcoin does get a “toehold” in the marketplace, we just might see this technology activated. The Chase is on.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-10/chasing-bitcoin-jpm-preparing-unveil-its-own-electronic-currency

Ponce
10th December 2013, 11:32 AM
Instead of a paper stock all that this is for me is an electronic stock in combination with a pyramid game........as long as they get a new sucker their "bitcoin" will be good.....or......till they decided to steal it all.

V

Horn
10th December 2013, 11:56 AM
I told you guys to end the patent system along time ago,

then you all went and purchased Apple I-phones, and rejoiced over its stock options.

and applied for land patents.

mick silver
10th December 2013, 12:12 PM
told you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo didnt we . test the water and now they love what they see . how could they not plus the gov will like it more why would they not , how you guys like going to yards sales , guess what you will be paying taxes

Ares
10th December 2013, 12:14 PM
told you sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo didnt we

Nope, didn't tell us anything. JPMCoin will have to compete like any other payment system. It's the free market that decides. Not you, Not me. So sit back, let it play out, and then if it fails you can say told you so.

You keep saying told you so, while it's still in its infancy. If a baby poops in the bathtub, do you say told you so to the mother that it's going to be a bad kid when its grown up?

Ares
10th December 2013, 12:15 PM
I told you guys to end the patent system along time ago,

then you all went and purchased Apple I-phones, and rejoiced over its stock options.

and applied for land patents.

Oh be quiet you.
If it wasn't for iPhone, this Chinese kid couldn't work 13-15hr days in this nice clean industrial electronics manufacturing plant.

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/4ca09b437f8b9ad11e2e0000-400-300/foxconn.jpg

/sarcasm :)

mick silver
10th December 2013, 12:16 PM
you have any more weed , hell i need some good stuff . this will not play out well . test run done

Ares
10th December 2013, 12:22 PM
you have any more weed , hell i need some good stuff . this will not play out well . test run done

I'm not smoking anything. It's easy to make baseless accusations.

Cebu_4_2
10th December 2013, 12:28 PM
People will avoid JPMCoin like the plague, only the big corporations will use them.

Hatha Sunahara
10th December 2013, 01:26 PM
I would not accept any 'coin' from any TBTF banks as payment for anything.


Hatha

Ponce
10th December 2013, 01:42 PM
People will avoid JPMCoin like the plague, only the big corporations will use them.

Cebu? only the BIG corporations will be able to afford them.......looks to me like aventually countries will settle their debts with bitcoins instead of gold .......... next Feb I'll be buying some Yen from China, already have some Canadian dollars.

V

Horn
10th December 2013, 01:45 PM
I would not accept any 'coin' from any TBTF banks as payment for anything.


Hatha

Same was probably said about the FRN in 1913.

5803

JPM coins will carry some assassinated President's head on them.

mick silver
10th December 2013, 01:49 PM
didnt the bible talk about the money handers . i bet back then people talk people into trading with paper for there gold an silver , then others said f you no way

EE_
10th December 2013, 01:51 PM
This is getting exciting! Hopefully the government will call in all currency in favor of crypto-JPM's.
This is way more efficiant then a cash-currency system.
Once cash has been called in and society is cashless...people can just trade-in their bitcoins for JPM's.
Ohhh!, this is going to be a wonderful new system! Everyone already loves it!

Ares
10th December 2013, 01:55 PM
didnt the bible talk about the money handers . i bet back then people talk people into trading with paper for there gold an silver , then others said f you no way

Actually it was the free market that determined that paper money would be it back then. People held gold at a bank and received a bank note (receipt for gold that they had in their possession) and would use the bank note for trading services and conducting commerce.

Now what we call standard operating procedure, the banks would loan out far more Bank Notes than what they had gold on hand since majority of the people wouldn't redeem their bank note for gold (it was as good as gold, as they say) the bank could get away with it. Unless too many people started redeeming their gold then the bank would implode.

So it wasn't a top down suggestion, it was a free market solution as paper was easier to carry around in large quantities and didn't have a money purse that could be stolen as easily.

mick silver
10th December 2013, 01:58 PM
jew money handlers , they killed someone

Horn
10th December 2013, 02:00 PM
Ohhh!, this is going to be a wonderful new system! Everyone already loves it!

Hey! who needs transfer fees and taxes?!?!?!

Do you expect people to travel back to ancient antiquity, and conduct business in real silver coinage?

You're soooo 70's.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qf-myz5I7fg



http://www.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/legacy/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/fallout-bottle-caps-etsy.jpg

EE_
10th December 2013, 02:19 PM
Hey! who needs transfer fees and taxes?!?!?!

Do you expect people to travel back to ancient antiquity, and conduct business in real silver coinage?

You're soooo 70's.



Digital currencies are an idea that's time has come. It was very helpful that bitcoin was invented to usher in the transition.
The frenzy to buy them is proof the people are ready.

Today almost everyone owns their own cell phone and 99% of these phones are capable to make transactions.

If you've been in a cell phone store lately, you will see a store full of iPhone type phones and maybe two old fashion cell phones...so they are almost phased out now. I expect soon you won't be able to buy the old technology phones.

Anyone that still has one, will be expected to trade them in for the new chipped phone that you hold in your right hand and place it to your forehead. You will be ready to conduct commerce! You will only be able to buy or sell if you have this chipped device...and your own personal coded number. 13:16-17

The cool part is everyone begged for it, camped out and lined up for it! Easy-Peasy!

All that's left to do, is call in all US currency.

Horn
10th December 2013, 02:38 PM
Digital currencies are an idea that's time has come. It was very helpful that bitcoin was invented to usher in the transition.
The frenzy to buy them is proof the people are ready.
Today almost everyone owns their own cell phone and 99% of these phones are capable to make transactions.
If you been in a cell phone store lately, you will see a store full of iPhone type phones and maybe two old fashion cell phones...so they are almost phased out now. I expect soon you won't be able to buy the old technology phones.
Anyone that still has one, will be expected to trade them in for the new chipped phone that you hold in your right hand and place it to your forehead. You will be ready to conduct commerce! You will only be able to buy or sell if you have this chipped device...and your own personal coded number.
The cool part is everyone begged for it, camped out and lined up for it! Easy-Peasy!
All that's left to do, is call in all US currency.

I sure am glad we have someone with your level of expertise on board...

otherwise all our money might end caught up on board some orbiting satellite and space junk somewhere.

http://www.popsci.com/files/junk-980.jpg

EE_
10th December 2013, 02:47 PM
I sure am glad we have someone with your level of expertise on board...

otherwise all our money might end caught up on board some orbiting satellite and space junk somewhere.

http://www.popsci.com/files/junk-980.jpg

I'm sorry to say, all is lost...the people have spoken! The people want a currency that's on-board some orbiting satellite and space junk somewhere.
I wish I could have saved us from this worst imaginable doom.
I was more then happy to carry cash currency and a firearm on my person. I guess that makes me a traditional old fashion guy.

Horn
10th December 2013, 03:07 PM
You're not the only one throwing around his space junk these days^ ^ ^

Ponce
10th December 2013, 03:38 PM
You're not the only one throwing around his space junk these days^ ^ ^

Bitcoin = Dollar................. all that they are doing here is to trade the old God for a new one.

V

mick silver
10th December 2013, 03:41 PM
dont piss down my back then tell it raining ... buy mickcoins

Shami-Amourae
10th December 2013, 03:46 PM
http://www.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/legacy/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/fallout-bottle-caps-etsy.jpg




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9U4w-SQ73g