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mick silver
11th December 2013, 09:12 AM
The U.S. government ended up losing $10.5 billion on the General Motors bailout, but it says the alternative would have been far worse.

The Treasury Department sold its final shares of the Detroit auto giant on Monday, recovering $39 billion of the $49.5 billion it spent to save the dying automaker at the height of the financial crisis five years ago.

Without the bailout, the country would have lost more than a million jobs, and the economy could have slipped from recession into a depression, Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said on a conference call with reporters.

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Now, the American auto industry is back, President Barack Obama said in a statement.

"Some of the most high-tech, fuel-efficient cars in the world are once again designed, engineered, and built right here in America — and the rest of the world is buying more of them than ever before," he said.

The government received 912 million GM shares, or a 60.8 percent stake, in exchange for the bailout in 2008 and 2009. It began selling shares once GM went public again in November of 2010, and the pace picked up this year as the stock rose more than 40 percent. Last month, the government said it expected to sell its remaining 2 percent stake by the end of the year.

Earlier Monday, Mark Reuss, GM's North American president, told reporters in Warren, Mich., that a government exit would boost sales, especially among pickup truck buyers. GM has said repeatedly that some potential customers have stayed away from its brands because they object to the government intervening in a private company's finances. Because of the bailout, GM had been tagged with the derisive nickname "Government Motors."

"We will always be grateful for the second chance extended to us, and we are doing our best to make the most of it," GM Chairman and CEO Dan Akerson said in a statement.

During the conference call, treasury officials shrugged off a question about whether GM should have been required to pay more because it has a large cash stockpile, saying that the bulk of the bailout money was converted to GM stock. Not doing the bailout would have cost the government more than it lost in missed tax revenue and payments for unemployment benefits and pensions, the officials said.

The company now is sitting on $26.8 billion in cash and is considering restoration of a dividend.

GM went through bankruptcy protection in 2009 and was cleansed of most of its huge debt, while stockholders lost their investments. Since leaving bankruptcy, GM has been profitable for 15 straight quarters, racking up almost $20 billion in net income on strong new products and rising sales in North America and China. It also has invested $8.8 billion in U.S. facilities and has added about 3,000 workers, bringing U.S. employment to 80,000.

GM shares rose 44 cents, or 1.1 percent, to $41.34 in after-hours trading following the announcement. They rose 1.8 percent in regular trading, at one point reaching $41.17, the highest level since GM's 2010 initial public offering.

The auto bailout was part of the Troubled Asset Relief Program, with the bulk of the money going to financial institutions. Treasury said it spent $421.8 billion on bailouts and so far has recovered $432.7 billion, including the loss on GM.

The Center for Automotive Research, an Ann Arbor, Mich., think tank, issued an updated report on Monday saying that if the government hadn't intervened and GM went out of business, nearly 1.9 million jobs would have been lost in 2009 and 2010. Federal and state governments also would have lost $39.4 billion in tax revenue and payments made for unemployment benefits and food stamps, the study said.

But critics say the bailout put the government in a position to choose winners and losers when it should have stayed out of private business.

"The American people are tired of Washington politicians taking their hard-earned money, using it to make risky bets and pick winners and losers, and coming up short," U.S. Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Texas, said in a statement.

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mick silver
11th December 2013, 09:14 AM
help me here .......... if the stock market is up so much just how in the hell did the gov lose 10 billion ? are stocks on gm not up

mamboni
11th December 2013, 09:22 AM
I just bought a GMC Acadia SLT-2 - it is a beauty. It drives as smooth as silk. Interior and exterior finishes are superb. The technology behind the engine is amazing: variable valve timing (cam phasing on the fly), direct fuel injection, high 14:1 cyclinder compression. I said I wouldn't buy GM after the bailout. But I've always liked and had good fortune with GMC trucks. I drove the comparable BMW (similar price for a little less car) and the GMC drove every bit as tight and smooth as the beamer - I was pleasantly surprised. I love driving this crossover. It remind me of my old Mazda 626 which was so much fun to drive.

Ares
11th December 2013, 09:50 AM
but but but Union jobs were saved. That's a "win" for us. That was money well spent..

/sarcasm

EE_
11th December 2013, 09:51 AM
I just bought a GMC Acadia SLT-2 - it is a beauty. It drives as smooth as silk. Interior and exterior finishes are superb. The technology behind the engine is amazing: variable valve timing (cam phasing on the fly), direct fuel injection, high 14:1 cyclinder compression. I said I wouldn't buy GM after the bailout. But I've always liked and had good fortune with GMC trucks. I drove the comparable BMW (similar price for a little less car) and the GMC drove every bit as tight and smooth as the beamer - I was pleasantly surprised. I love driving this crossover. It remind me of my old Mazda 626 which was so much fun to drive.

Congrats! May you have good luck and enjoy your new purchase.

mamboni
11th December 2013, 12:23 PM
Congrats! May you have good luck and enjoy your new purchase.

Thanks bud! My wife gave me a good luck charm to hang from the back, and I spoiled myself and got custom plates. Sweeeet!

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ShortJohnSilver
11th December 2013, 12:44 PM
The Acadia is not a bad vehicle, what turned me off in comparison to the Mazda CX9 I bought was the interior, which felt cheap and plasticky. Maybe they fixed that, or, you got an upgraded interior.

The mileage is supposed to get better as the engine gets to 50K miles. Remember you have to use their special oil, or the oil that has their trademark on it, to get it covered under warranty... clever of GM, they require you to use a specially marked oil, then they charge the manufacturer a licensing fee to use their trademark.

mamboni
11th December 2013, 12:55 PM
The Acadia is not a bad vehicle, what turned me off in comparison to the Mazda CX9 I bought was the interior, which felt cheap and plasticky. Maybe they fixed that, or, you got an upgraded interior.

The mileage is supposed to get better as the engine gets to 50K miles. Remember you have to use their special oil, or the oil that has their trademark on it, to get it covered under warranty... clever of GM, they require you to use a specially marked oil, then they charge the manufacturer a licensing fee to use their trademark.

Yeah, but the maintanence deal offered by the dealership was very competitive. Cost per oil change about the same as doing it privately. Between you and me, I discount the cost of oil changes as unimportant in the context of the cost of the vehicle. And I'm not buying into this engine oil life meter thingy. I hear of soem drivers going 8,000 miles before an oil change. Me, I get the oil changed every 3-4,000 mile no matter what. I don't want acids etching the cyclinders and I don't want my timing chains and cams and rings wearing out prematurely. People who skimp on the oil changes miss the big picture: the bulk of what you spend on the vehicle during it's useful life is the purchase price (unless you keep the vehicle for mare than 15 years or so).

Cebu_4_2
11th December 2013, 01:21 PM
I drove the comparable BMW (similar price for a little less car) and the GMC drove every bit as tight and smooth as the beamer

Beemer is the bike, Bimmer is the car/truck. I have no idea what a Beamer is.

mamboni
11th December 2013, 01:26 PM
beemer is the bike, bimmer is the car/truck. I have no idea what a beamer is.

lmb

Cebu_4_2
11th December 2013, 03:39 PM
lmb

smd

mamboni
11th December 2013, 04:15 PM
smd

amf

Cebu_4_2
11th December 2013, 04:18 PM
amf

No clue on this one, but I'm sure it has a happy overtone.

mamboni
11th December 2013, 06:13 PM
No clue on this one, but I'm sure it has a happy overtone.

Adios Mother F---er

LOL

govcheetos
11th December 2013, 06:28 PM
I agree that 10 BILLION is bullshit to shaft the TAXPAYERS with, however we get shafted with 8 1/2 times that much each and every month the fed buys 85 BILLION worth of treasuries, or 1.02 TRILLION per year. Not to mention all the other bullshit we pay for.

And yeah change your oil like you said Mamboni, every 3000 miles. My dad put 500,000 miles on a chevy once before he traded it in for another chevy that he put 300,000 on before it was sold. Changed the fluids religiously. Never had the valve covers off either one.