Cash will be obsolete in three years

[EE_]

No use in fighting it, it's coming like a run-away freight train.
The NWO want's it and the people want it. Good-bye to freedom...what's ever left of it.
All I can do is pray for solar flares to wipe out the electric grid and satellites.

Would you like to pay by card or phone? Cash will be obsolete in three years claims PayPal (... but then it has just launched a new payment app)

PayPal Here app allows users to transfer funds while standing in a shop

Bosses claim shoppers will start leaving their wallets and purses at home

New virtual payment devices include Bitcoin wallets and contactless cards

By Sean Poulter, Consumer Affairs Editor
PUBLISHED: 23:07 EST, 11 December 2013 | UPDATED: 06:00 EST, 12 December 2013

Purses, wallets and cash will become redundant within three years, according to the electronic payment firm PayPal.
It says it will be possible to pay for everyday purchases via mobile phone apps and cards with the result people will no longer need to carry real money.

The claims came as the firm, which is owned by eBay, unveiled a new roll-out of its mobile phone-based smart payment system.

Old-fashioned: Shoppers will soon be able to leave their purses and wallets at home, according to PayPal

Shoppers can download a PayPal app to their smartphone which can be pared with the payment system of participating retailers, from cafes and bakers to market stalls.

This means shoppers can authorise payments on their phone, with the money immediately transferred to the trader, just as they currently do with internet purchases.

The retailer gets a ‘payment confirmed’ message on their own smartphone or tablet which includes a picture of the customer by way of a security guarantee.

PayPal research suggests that most consumers do not carry more than £20 in cash on them.
Already, many people rarely use cash on a day to day basis, relying on debit and credit cards for all their purchases, whether it is petrol, a train ticket, a newspaper or a sandwich for lunch.

The new PayPal smartphone app adds another alternative to folding money and coins.
No more cash. PayPayl comes to Covent Garden market

The internet giant PayPal wants shoppers to pay for items electronically while standing in a shop

It also means retailers who have not taken card payments in the past, such as market traders, now have a new relatively cheap and new way to allow customers to pay.

The adoption of automated payment systems rather than face-to-face transactions involving cash is gathering pace.

Boris Johnson recently announced that hundreds of London Underground ticket offices will close next year. People are being encouraged to use Oyster cards and new generation of contactless debit and credit cards that can be swiped across ticket barrier terminals.

On the high street, retailers from coffee shops to newsagents now accept the contactless cards, which do not require users to put in a four digit PIN, for small value purchases.

Retailers are also slimming down the number of traditional purses, which can carry cash and coins, on their shelves in favour of slimline card holders.

The new PayPal Here app and smartphone system, which can authorise a payment either with or without using a debit card, is being launched today at London’s Covent Garden market.

The firm claims that the system can help small businesses, which may be missing out on up to £800 million worth of sales every year by not taking card payments.

Futuristic: The latest move could end the days of fumbling for cash, already a rare sight on the high street

Narik Patel, PayPal’s director of mobile merchant services, said: ‘We know from our research that shoppers don’t usually carry more than £20 these days, so it’s great to see that these traders will never miss a sale again because a customer has to dash off to get cash.

‘This is another step on the journey towards a wallet-less high street, where customers will be able to leave their wallet or purse at home and pay using their phone or tablet. We predict that by 2016 this will become a reality.’

The firm’s PR director, Rob Skinner, added: ‘We believe that is because using a mobile to pay for things will be so commonplace that people will not feel the need to carry cash.

‘We are not saying that no-one will use money or plastic cards, only that it will be possible to live day to day without them.’

Artist Adam Regester, who sells his work at Covent Garden, has been using the system on a trial basis for a few weeks.

Rare: Customers often carry less than £20, leaving few options for traders who don't accept credit cards

He said: ‘For as long as I can remember, we’ve always relied on customers paying with cash or perhaps the odd cheque. But now I’ve lost count of how many times people ask to pay by card or say they’ll just pop to the cash point but never come back.

‘Giving our customers more options to pay and taking cards solves the problem, which is especially crucial in the run-up to Christmas. Even within these first few weeks, I’ve seen an increase in sales.’

The system has already been operating with a number of small traders in Richmond, south west London, since August. Participants include a hotel and a number of coffee shops, cafes and restaurants.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2522358/Paypal-Here-app-launch-says-cash-obsolete-3-years.html#ixzz2nM5ChOm8

[mick silver]

what bad about this EE there alot of people that going to love to get the chip place in the head are hand . once that happens mickcoins will also be gone . all the stuff over mickcoins was nothing but one of the biggest test runs the world has ever seen . i deal alot in cash buys an sales, bye bye to that , some will say that there away around that also but nope one they force everyone to the new chip it done , no more yard sales , deals done under the table gone . it mat take a few years to get all the cash back in but they will . history shows how they moved from gold an silver to paper if people want to see it . just look gold an silver heavy use the paper it easer

[EE_]

what bad about this EE there alot of people that going to love to get the chip place in the head are hand . once that happens mickcoins will also be gone . all the stuff over mickcoins was nothing but one of the biggest test runs the world has ever seen . i deal alot in cash buys an sales, bye bye to that , some will say that there away around that also but nope one they force everyone to the new chip it done , no more yard sales , deals done under the table gone . it mat take a few years to get all the cash back in but they will . history shows how they moved from gold an silver to paper if people want to see it

Anonymous gun/ammo sales gone too.

People will line up to get their chip
http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2012/11/02/800x600_b1cCM/People-line-up-to-enter-Lima-Senior-High-School-1.jpg

[EE_]

Once the government calls in all cash, what do you think it will do, to have all the black market money and cash that's hidden away come back into the banks and plain sight?
I'm trying to figure out the ramifications of this.

[mick silver]

lots of tax money being payed

[Shami-Amourae]

Anonymous gun/ammo sales gone too.

People will line up to get their chip
http://www.toledoblade.com/image/2012/11/02/800x600_b1cCM/People-line-up-to-enter-Lima-Senior-High-School-1.jpg

That's why I contend everyone on this forum buy as much ammo as they can right now and store it. I'd rather buy ammo than Gold/Silver and Bitcoin/Litecoins.

Bitcoins/Litecoins and things like that will become the new anonymous cash in the virtual world we are going into, whether we like it or not.

[Horn]

I'm hoping it gets soooo popular and advanced,

that when I enter into a taxi it automatically starts withdraw from my E-wallet with every kilometer I travel.

Got Quark? Every business will need to sign on with one.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-9L9_aj_rI5Q/UBgiRsqZdUI/AAAAAAAAA_0/l39wTcPazuI/s1600/Forehead.gif

[EE_]

I'm hoping it gets soooo popular and advanced,

that when I enter into a taxi it automatically starts withdraw from my E-wallet with every kilometer I travel.


Me too. I just want the people to get what they deserve!

[EE_]

Bitcoins/Litecoins and things like that will become the new anonymous cash in the virtual world we are going into, whether we like it or not.

Pat yourself on the back, you helped promote them!

[Shami-Amourae]

Pat yourself on the back, you helped promote them!

*Pats self on my own back, putting a Gold Star sticker on my cheek*

[Horn]

Not to worry EE_, I will remain close here with you in the real and partially between the virtual half life world.

My breath really isn't that bad, especially immediately after brushing with fluoride and titanium dioxide.

5815

[Horn]

Checkout Bill's pyramid whirly doodle toy,

maybe Neuro knows how to name that thing, looks Danish?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZmFAYcl61k

[EE_]

*Pats self on my own back, putting a Gold Star sticker on my cheek*

Nice to see you taking responsibility for your actions, but be careful with that star...:)

http://files.myopera.com/leahdeleah/albums/13703602/01243365644VV90W7.jpg

[mamboni]

They were proclaiming the end of cash in the 1970s. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

[Horn]

Quark explains the rules of acquisition.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zFTO8mOLTk

[madfranks]

They were proclaiming the end of cash in the 1970s. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

I'm surprised it took this long in the thread for someone to say it. Physical cash is too much in demand by governments, agencies and the public to be phased out anytime in our lifetimes.

[EE_]

They were proclaiming the end of cash in the 1970s. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

No one had computers, or iPhones in the 70's.
Cash is almost obsolete now. How often do you use cash compared to debit/credit card?
I hardly see anyone using cash in stores, or restaurants anymore.
Go ahead and hold your breath...it won't be too long.

[Shami-Amourae]

You all have to consider too that illegal aliens do most of their commerce with cash. The government doesn't care about the citizens but they will always bend over backwards to illegal aliens. This may keep cash around a bit longer too.

[EE_]

I'm surprised it took this long in the thread for someone to say it. Physical cash is too much in demand by governments, agencies and the public to be phased out anytime in our lifetimes.

I'll ask you the same question; How often do you use cash compared to debit/credit card?

[EE_]

You all have to consider too that illegal aliens do most of their commerce with cash. The government doesn't care about the citizens but they will always bend over backwards to illegal aliens. This may keep cash around a bit longer too.

Uh, they are no longer "illegal aleins"...they are "undocumented workers" and they will be given amnesty soon.
The one's I see are using debit cards.

[Horn]

They were proclaiming the end of cash in the 1970s. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

What about the quality of life since Nixon's move towards a cashless society?

[willie pete]

I think the use of cash will continue to drop, but I'm skeptical about cash ever becoming obsolete ::)

[Horn]

I think the use of cash will continue to drop, but I'm skeptical about cash ever becoming obsolete ::)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPAYqU5Pj0

We need to start a forum called E-coins-R-NOT Money.

[Shami-Amourae]

We need to start a forum called E-coins-R-NOT Money.

Gold and Silver are money. Stop pumping your e-Quark coins or whatever. This is a Gold and Silver forum. PRECIOUS METALS!
:rolleyes:
Jeez.

[EE_]

I think the use of cash will continue to drop, but I'm skeptical about cash ever becoming obsolete ::)

I bet you would have been skeptical a couple years ago if someone told you bitcoins were going to become the new virtual dollar currency they are today.

[Ponce]

One more time........"Someday there will be a a "Debit-Credit Card" where all that you earn will go in there and all that you spend will come from there"....... what we have here is the first part of the prediction, and next?... your earnings will be transferred from your employers account to your account by the bank itself without your ever seeing any of the so called "money"......for your convenience the IRS will get their tax dollar directly from the bank with you having to do anything........it will be a lot worse but this is only the beginning........there will be a underground cash society where cash will be king.

And once again.........I believe that in the future all coins being used today will have a great value where the face value of the some will be higher anywhere from ten to twenty five times.

How will the government take out todays cash out of circulation?......simple..., I also said how a while ago......as you pay cash for your purchases and the retailer takes the money to the bank the same will send the money to the government for destruction.

Another browny point for the idiot of Ponce who likes to talk bullshit but who is always right :)

V

[EE_]

One more time........"Someday there will be a a "Debit-Credit Card" where all that you earn will go in there and all that you spend will come from there"....... what we have here is the first part of the prediction, and next?... your earnings will be transferred from your employers account to your account by the bank itself without your ever seeing any of the so called "money"......for your convenience the IRS will get their tax dollar directly from the bank with you having to do anything........it will be a lot worse but this is only the beginning........there will be a underground cash society where cash will be king.

And once again.........I believe that in the future all coins being used today will have a great value where the face value of the some will be higher anywhere from ten to twenty five times.

How will the government take out todays cash out of circulation?......simple..., I also said how a while ago......as you pay cash for your purchases and the retailer takes the money to the bank the same will send the money to the government for destruction.

Another browny point for the idiot of Ponce who likes to talk bullshit but who is always right :)

V

Ponce, you're a crazy old fool...but you're exactly right! :)

[mamboni]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPAYqU5Pj0

We need to start a forum called E-coins-R-NOT Money.

Maybe the lawyers can weigh in here; but I thought LEGAL TENDER meant mandatory acceptance of the cash for all debts PUBLIC and PRIVATE. By refusing to accept cash in payment of a mortgage, didn't BOA violate federal law?

[Horn]

Gold and Silver are money. Stop pumping your e-Quark coins or whatever. This is a Gold and Silver forum. PRECIOUS METALS!
:rolleyes:
Jeez.

Somehow I liked you better, when I thought you were a woman. :p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9cUrc7Y3DE

This is how it will go down, remember all those misprinted runs of the new 100 bills?

Those will turn out to be lost & counterfeit into the market, then the all new patented JPM E-coin will be cited for a temporary substitute as legal tender.

[midnight rambler]

My take on this remains the same: no cash in circulation shuts down both the Cocaine Importation Agency's gig (which is MEGA along with masod's extasy pipeline) and the cash payoffs to state mafia officials both elected and unelected. Don't fall for the fantasy being passed off. Not gonna happen. Cash in circulation is the grease that keeps the corruption cogs of the Beast machine churning.

[Ponce]

Rambler? in Japan all small purchases......like from a Coke machine or candy machine....are being paid by you showing the front of your phone to the front of the machine........and like I said....the underground cashless society with cash will be a big one.

V

[Horn]

All Drug dealers prefer Quark's multi-layered encryption.

Its exchange rate is also favorable with more local Boliviano Pesos tipo de cambio.

[midnight rambler]

Rambler? in Japan all small purchases......like from a Coke machine or candy machine....are being paid by you showing the front of your phone to the front of the machine........and like I said....the underground cashless society with cash will be a big one.

V

That's Japan, not the states.

[Ponce]

OK< OK<.........you can take a mule to the river but you cannot make him drink water.

V

[midnight rambler]

OK< OK<.........you can take a mule to the river but you cannot make him drink water.

V

Which is exactly why cash will not become obsolete in the states anytime soon - cash is literally the grease which makes this corrupt society hum. Those who have the most to gain (the corrupt) are the same ones who control whether or not cash becomes obsolete.

[Horn]

Which is exactly why cash will not become obsolete in the states anytime soon - cash is literally the grease which makes this corrupt society hum.

With the lack of real cash as opposed to imaginary digits (factor in inflation) could mean all the cash in the world that is left is only enough to run/grease the black market, then there's always the money changers to be the interface between the two worlds.

We call them coyotes here.

[mick silver]

OK< OK<.........you can take a mule to the river but you cannot make him drink water.

Vmy dad said the same thing , and was right more then once

[midnight rambler]

What you promoters of this notion that cash will become obsolete don't get is that the technology has been in place to track FRNs with the platinum polyester thread for over 20 years, now they're moved onto micro dot RFIDs. While their surveillance grid may not be complete yet - it WILL be, and when it is the FRNs in one's pocket will be located/followed several times a day. It's as simple as walking through doorway or driving down a tollroad where a scanner has been put into place. No need whatsoever to eliminate FRNs to track one's activities. There will be no escaping that.

Yeah, go right ahead and keep kidding yourselves with your 'cash will become obsolete' fantasy. It's a diversion to keep you preoccupied with straw arguments.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/290204notes1.jpg

[willie pete]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FPAYqU5Pj0

We need to start a forum called E-coins-R-NOT Money.

I'd actually like to know the full circumstances of this video; showing me a 49 second video in which no bank officer ever said they'd refuse a cash payment doesn't convince me BoA doesn't accept cash, it actually seems foolish to me. I've made cash payments toward a BoA account before in a local BoA branch

[Dogman]

Think there is still a ways to go, but in time and with infrastructure that is in place and in development, it will become a reality someday. People now can be payed by debt card, direct dept and pay bills and such with plastic.

The interest in electronic currency here and elsewhere in some ways will hasten this trend. Seeing that the big players/banks and such are showing interest in the concept.

The hardest thing yet to be put in place is on individual transactions. Ie, how would two or more transfer value between individuals say on the street electronically? The rise in popularity of smart phones/tablets with secure/biometric (NFC) Near field communications for example could be one possible rout that could be taken.

But that would mean that everyone would need to have some kind of device that they carry that would act as their "wallet/purse" and we are closer to this concept than not.

Methinks that in time, seeing the way society is heading, RFD chips implanted at birth and that chip along with biometrics will be the ultimate final answer. Thank god we are not there yet, but the way society is heading and the growing police state, in time it will come to pass. (Hope the hell not!)

There is a quiet push now to pay by plastic and do away with checks and the fees of printing and handling the same. The bottleneck is the infrastructure is not in place to do away with cash for transaction on the street by everyone ...Yet!

[Horn]

It all comes down to them not wanting anyone possessing anything of actual intrinsic value.

Everything must remain or become notional in value, because its even easier to control (in a heartbeat) the notion of the masses than items of intrinsic value like base commodities.

[mick silver]

when i pay with cash i make the most out of it , i just dont spent spent till there no end

[EE_]

Think there is still a ways to go, but in time and with infrastructure that is in place and in development, it will become a reality someday. People now can be payed by debt card, direct dept and pay bills and such with plastic.

The interest in electronic currency here and elsewhere in some ways will hasten this trend. Seeing that the big players/banks and such are showing interest in the concept.

The hardest thing yet to be put in place is on individual transactions. Ie, how would two or more transfer value between individuals say on the street electronically? The rise in popularity of smart phones/tablets with secure/biometric (NFC) Near field communications for example could be one possible rout that could be taken.

But that would mean that everyone would need to have some kind of device that they carry that would act as their "wallet/purse" and we are closer to this concept than not.

Methinks that in time, seeing the way society is heading, RFD chips implanted at birth and that chip along with biometrics will be the ultimate final answer. Thank god we are not there yet, but the way society is heading and the growing police state, in time it will come to pass. (Hope the hell not!)

There is a quiet push now to pay by plastic and do away with checks and the fees of printing and handling the same. The bottleneck is the infrastructure is not in place to do away with cash for transaction on the street by everyone ...Yet!

Theres a lot of tax money just waiting to be collected on the street. Actually, only the person taking the payment needs a device. The person paying can use their card just like they do now.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/10/25/technology/square_payments_walmart/square-card-swipe.top.jpg

[Horn]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/10/25/technology/square_payments_walmart/square-card-swipe.top.jpg

My idea is to have a knife flip out of the phone like that for the streets...

Right, just like internet banking, I think the turnover rate on that was something less than a presidential term.

[EE_]

What you promoters of this notion that cash will become obsolete don't get is that the technology has been in place to track FRNs with the platinum polyester thread for over 20 years, now they're moved onto micro dot RFIDs. While their surveillance grid may not be complete yet - it WILL be, and when it is the FRNs in one's pocket will be located/followed several times a day. It's as simple as walking through doorway or driving down a tollroad where a scanner has been put into place. No need whatsoever to eliminate FRNs to track one's activities. There will be no escaping that.

Yeah, go right ahead and keep kidding yourselves with your 'cash will become obsolete' fantasy. It's a diversion to keep you preoccupied with straw arguments.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/290204notes1.jpg

Tracking currency is one thing...taxing transactions is another issue. Look how quickly society has gone to electronic payments all ready.

What you promoters of this notion that crypto-currencies are a better way don't get, is this will hasten the obsolescence of paper currency.

Yeah, go right ahead and keep kidding yourselves with your crypto-currency is outside the banking system fantasy. It's a diversion for the bankers to get what they want.

I will reject anything that gives the bankers what they want...and right now they want crypto currencies.

[Dogman]

Tracking currency is one thing...taxing transactions is another issue. Look how quickly society has gone to electronic payments all ready.

What you promoters of this notion that crypto-currencies are a better way don't get, is this will hasten the obsolescence of paper currency.

Yeah, go right ahead and keep kidding yourselves with your crypto-currency is outside the banking system fantasy. It's a diversion for the bankers to get what they want.

I will reject anything that gives the bankers what they want...and right now they want crypto currencies. Yep!
One point made in my post!

[Sparky]

My take on this remains the same: no cash in circulation shuts down both the Cocaine Importation Agency's gig (which is MEGA along with masod's extasy pipeline) and the cash payoffs to state mafia officials both elected and unelected. Don't fall for the fantasy being passed off. Not gonna happen. Cash in circulation is the grease that keeps the corruption cogs of the Beast machine churning.

I'm with rambler on this one. However, I could see them making it increasingly difficult to use cash for non-corrupt purposes. There could be dis-incentives put in place. For instance, any cash moved into a bank could be charged with a paper currency fee. This would penalize retailers who regularly move large amounts of cash through the banking system. What if they were charged a fee that was higher than the loss they take from credit card companies, say 3%? In the same way that some retailers give discounts now for using cash, they would start to impose a surcharge for FRNs, or a discount for credit purchases.

[midnight rambler]

I'm not saying this will *never* happen, it's just not going to happen anytime soon (as those who been saying it's 'right around the corner' since forever). Perhaps 10-20 years from now, if then.

[govcheetos]

I think the OP is just more programming trying to push the cashless society agenda. I think it is on it's way due to the way people have become hopelessly attached to their electronic gadgets and will probably happen sooner than 20 years. Look how fast cellphones took over, facebook, etc. All of this has been pushed on society within the last 20 years. Look how much exponential growth is in the technology pushed on us. I hope I am wrong.

[Ponce]

The meaning of credit cards........when you go to a casino to gamble you have to use chips instead of cash, this is done for two reasons.......first it is easier to keep track of the money and second you don't really think of chips as money but only as little round things that you play with.........credit cards works the same way, a little square plastic thingy that you buy things with.

V

[Kali]

Which is exactly why cash will not become obsolete in the states anytime soon - cash is literally the grease which makes this corrupt society hum. Those who have the most to gain (the corrupt) are the same ones who control whether or not cash becomes obsolete.

Unskilled scammers scam the electronic monetary system of billions of dollars every year.

If we went to a non currency system, the high rollers could certainly find their way to move funds.

Cash is no longer needed and the drug lords aren't dealing with cash anymore anyways. Thats like the scarface days LOL

[Spectrism]

I have known for 30+ years that there would be a cashless society. It was impractical back then but technology would make it simple now. Here is how I knew:


Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 If anyone gathers captivity, into captivity he goes. If anyone will kill by a sword, by a sword he must be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And it executes all the authority of the first beast before it. And it causes that the earth and those dwelling in it should worship the first beast, of which was healed its deadly wound.
Rev 13:13 And it does great signs, that it even causes fire to come down out of the heaven onto the earth before men.
Rev 13:14 And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the signs which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth to make an image to the beast who has the wound of the sword, and lived.
Rev 13:15 And was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16 And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads,
Rev 13:17 even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.


Once the government calls in all cash, what do you think it will do, to have all the black market money and cash that's hidden away come back into the banks and plain sight?
I'm trying to figure out the ramifications of this.

They will crash the current dollar and force people into a new currency/transaction system. They will allow a temporary conversion for existing dollars that will come through executers. These will "verify" the source of the cash to stop major "terrorists and drug dealers" from dumping their ill-gotten dollars. Dollars not turned in will become worthless by given date..... hmmmm... let's say Jan 1, 2016.



They were proclaiming the end of cash in the 1970s. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen.

It won't likely be a s soon as tomorrow, so holding breath would not be wise. It WILL be here. They demand the control of all money transfers. They work for the beast.



No one had computers, or iPhones in the 70's.
Cash is almost obsolete now. How often do you use cash compared to debit/credit card?
I hardly see anyone using cash in stores, or restaurants anymore.
Go ahead and hold your breath...it won't be too long.

Right. And as they offer incentives... discounts, etc... people will use electronic transfers all the more.



My take on this remains the same: no cash in circulation shuts down both the Cocaine Importation Agency's gig (which is MEGA along with masod's extasy pipeline) and the cash payoffs to state mafia officials both elected and unelected. Don't fall for the fantasy being passed off. Not gonna happen. Cash in circulation is the grease that keeps the corruption cogs of the Beast machine churning.

Welll... no. The beast loves corruption. It is the handle on the minions. As they are allowed to do certain things, they owe the beast. It would not be acceptable for them to conduct transactions without the approval of the beast. And when they violate the rules of the beast, they will be cut off. The drugs, coersion, blackmail, payoffs... all will keep going. It will be traceable even if under strange names.




It all comes down to them not wanting anyone possessing anything of actual intrinsic value.

Everything must remain or become notional in value, because its even easier to control (in a heartbeat) the notion of the masses than items of intrinsic value like base commodities.

Oh no! They don't mind people possessing things of value.... temporarily. It is about CONTROL. Just like Obamacare is clearly about control. The beast wants control of everything- money, energy, food, water, medical/pharmaceutical, worship, tribute.

The possessions will be at the whim of the beast. CONTROL.

[7th trump]

I have known for 30+ years that there would be a cashless society. It was impractical back then but technology would make it simple now. Here is how I knew:


Rev 13:9 If anyone has an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 If anyone gathers captivity, into captivity he goes. If anyone will kill by a sword, by a sword he must be killed. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 And I saw another beast coming up out of the earth. And it had two horns like a lamb, but spoke like a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And it executes all the authority of the first beast before it. And it causes that the earth and those dwelling in it should worship the first beast, of which was healed its deadly wound.
Rev 13:13 And it does great signs, that it even causes fire to come down out of the heaven onto the earth before men.
Rev 13:14 And it deceives those dwelling on the earth, because of the signs which were given to it to do before the beast, saying to those dwelling on the earth to make an image to the beast who has the wound of the sword, and lived.
Rev 13:15 And was given to it to give a spirit to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak, and might cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed.
Rev 13:16 And the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the freemen and the slaves, it causes that they give to them all a mark on their right hand, or on their foreheads,
Rev 13:17 even that not any could buy or sell, except the one having the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of its name.



They will crash the current dollar and force people into a new currency/transaction system. They will allow a temporary conversion for existing dollars that will come through executers. These will "verify" the source of the cash to stop major "terrorists and drug dealers" from dumping their ill-gotten dollars. Dollars not turned in will become worthless by given date..... hmmmm... let's say Jan 1, 2016.




It won't likely be a s soon as tomorrow, so holding breath would not be wise. It WILL be here. They demand the control of all money transfers. They work for the beast.




Right. And as they offer incentives... discounts, etc... people will use electronic transfers all the more.




Welll... no. The beast loves corruption. It is the handle on the minions. As they are allowed to do certain things, they owe the beast. It would not be acceptable for them to conduct transactions without the approval of the beast. And when they violate the rules of the beast, they will be cut off. The drugs, coersion, blackmail, payoffs... all will keep going. It will be traceable even if under strange names.





Oh no! They don't mind people possessing things of value.... temporarily. It is about CONTROL. Just like Obamacare is clearly about control. The beast wants control of everything- money, energy, food, water, medical/pharmaceutical, worship, tribute.

The possessions will be at the whim of the beast. CONTROL.

No No...Specy
The mark of the beast and the system beast are two entirely different beasts.
Revelation speak of two beasts....one that comes out of the people (a system or government) and the other the beast himself (lucifer). Most bible scholars completely miss it and get the two confused as one beast.
This system they are attempting to install....fails (gets a mortal blow) which brings in the second beast the antichrist (lucifer, satan, the beast, son of perdition....ect) to head it up to make it work (brings the government system beast back to life)....and everyone is in awe and worships him (the fake christ, the imposter christ).
Revelation 13:17 is not talking about a cashless system.

It'll go down like this...the one world government fails (they cant get it together to make it work). One of its seven heads gets a mortal blow.
lucifer (the second beast) is booted to earth bringing back to life the head that received the mortal blow (the system is working).
And why couldn't the beast be resurrected when you have the head of the evil system posing as Christ to the world. The world is going to bow down to this fake and the system hes installing.
The world is going to flock to this system with this fake imposter Christ saying its all Ok and good....just look at all the idiots who voted for Obama?
They'll fall for the fake christ like bee's to honey....anything he says ....goes!

[Spectrism]

No No...Specy
The mark of the beast and the system beast are two entirely different beasts.
Revelation speak of two beasts....one that comes out of the people (a system or government) and the other the beast himself (lucifer). Most bible scholars completely miss it and get the two confused into one beast.
This system they are attempting to install....fails (gets a mortal blow) which brings in the second beast (lucifer, satan, the beast, son of perdition....ect) to head it up to make it work....and everyone is in awe.
Revelation 13:17 is not talking about a cashless system.

Rev 13:17 is clearly talking about the money system. You cannot buy or sell (money system) without the mark of the beast.

[7th trump]

Rev 13:17 is clearly talking about the money system. You cannot buy or sell (money system) without the mark of the beast.
But it fails first........the system isn't going to be in place until lucifer shows up....until then it wont happen.
There will be a period of 5 months of lucifer on earth.

The point of 13:17 is you wont be able to buy or sell until you take an allegiance to this fake Christ (lucifer).

The mark is not a physical mark, but a "belief".

[Son-of-Liberty]

The more they try to tighten down the screws the more attractive it makes BTC and alternatives.

I was at a local farmers market and got into a conversation with one of the vendors who was complaining of the costs to run a debit/credit machine. It was about $130 a month plus they took a % fee. Can't remember how much but it was fairly significant.

With BTC you could make payment, phone to phone completely cutting out the banks and credit/debit providers. The only thing preventing this right now is very few customers know anything about BTC. If customers had them to pay, I can almost guarantee vendors would start accepting payment immediately just to avoid the exorbitant processing fees.

Tax and privacy issues aside, BTC makes paypal, creditcards, western union, obsolete. They rip people off for sending digits. What a joke.

[7th trump]

Bitcoin wont be around in revelation 13:17......all currencies will be outlawed.

[Spectrism]

But it fails first........the system isn't going to be in place until lucifer shows up....until then it wont happen.
There will be a period of 5 months of lucifer on earth.

The point of 13:17 is you wont be able to buy or sell until you take an allegiance to this fake Christ (lucifer).

The mark is not a physical mark, but a "belief".

You are trying hard to project some man's INTERPRETATION of a sequence of events. Just read the plain words without trying to force someone else's ideas onto everything. Read for yourself. See for yourself.

[7th trump]

You are trying hard to project some man's INTERPRETATION of a sequence of events. Just read the plain words without trying to force someone else's ideas onto everything. Read for yourself. See for yourself.


Seems to me you are trying to project your INTERPRETATION.
I have read it....and there are two beasts...one a system and one a fallen angel.
See.........even you have missed that fact....guess you are already fooled!

[Horn]

The possessions will be at the whim of the beast. CONTROL.

First they install a faith and trust system based upon materialism then they remove it, Zion Babylon cycle.

The definition of Hell on Earth in this instance could be such that pain of materialism is made addictive then teased and temptation directed towards the addict, ultimate sin ensues in suicidal tendency with prolonged and continued pain addiction.

[Spectrism]

Seems to me you are trying to project your INTERPRETATION.
I have read it....and there are two beasts...one a system and one a fallen angel.
See.........even you have missed that fact....guess you are already fooled!

What interpretation? My statements are rather generic in agreement with the scripture. I did not state anything about a failed system or fallen beast or image of a beast. It is irrelevant for what I was saying. I gave a possible explanation of how they would make a digital currency replace the current system. And yet somehow, you found me in error about something irrelevant to this discussion.