Hobbit Movie Pt2 - problems are all due to Zionist/Talmudic themes not in the book

[ShortJohnSilver]

WARNING - spoilers ahead if you haven't seen the movie.

So tonight I saw the Hobbit movie, Part 2 "The Desolation of Smaug", and it was a real disappointment.

But it was clear 1/3rd of the way through, what the problem was - the sticking in of Talmudic/Zionist themes into a book which had none of that. The first 3 "big" movies , the Lord of the Rings films, had none of the Talmudic stuff in it that I could ascertain - why does the Hobbit have it?

The movie view:

So the Dwarves are stand-ins for Jews, returning to "Erebor" or the Lonely Mountain, several times described as "their homeland".

They get caught by spiders, then as they escape from the spiders, are caught by Elves (white blonde people who are taller and with small straight noses). The shiksa warrior-princess (one of the Elves, played by the hot Canadian girl from the TV show "Lost") falls in love with one of the Dwarves and comes to his rescue later.

The weirdest part is the dragon-killer attempt - it reeks of the Jewish fairytale about the Golem. If you watched the horrid Transformers 2 movie, there was a similar weird part (the flashback about the ancients)... it must have root in something Zionist, or maybe the "always remember" part... definitely a coded message.

There are lots of other strange deviations from the book... I can't remember them all, even. But the plot points are different, and most notably, the townsfolk of Laketown are portrayed quite oddly, and Bard's behavior is also anti-social and psychosocially weird.

The book view:

Dwarves are miners, tool makers, blacksmiths and jewelers - in this they resemble Germans, great makers and lovers of tools.

They love to live in the mountains and are excellent with stone work. While they often live underground, they don't live in dank caves, but instead in beautiful halls filled with light, natural or artificial.

So the issue with the Lonely Mountain is just that, when they discovered the mineral wealth of the mountain, some Dwarves went there to make it their home; and with all the wealth, it brought Smaug the dragon who loved gold.

But there are Dwarves all over Tolkien's Middle Earth, not just in 1 place ... so it would not be accurate to call it "their homeland". So why is it in the movie? Well, that is obvious.

There are no love interests in the book - this is about a small team of men, going off and doing the heroic things that men do - work hard, suffer privation, risk death, kill dragons, fight evil, and right some wrongs. But of course this is Hollywood and we can't have too much masculinity in our movies unless it is about mindless violence and superheroes.

The people of Laketown are quite normal in the book - there is Bard, who is stern and a little bit pessimistic - later seen and understood as having hidden but great qualities and having good judgment. The Master of the town is not corrupt, but a bit of a politician.

Take it for what it is worth ...

[Glass]

I was slow to warm to Tolkiens core tomes. I came from reading Chronicles of Thomas Covenent? which was a much simpler language to digest. When my mindset was ready I found it a great work. I think the tales are similar story lines despite the differences in literary delivery.

The hobbit to me, fit with what I thought was generally accepted about this work, that it was true prelude, a forming of ideas and visualising. I didn't come up with that but I accepted that was pretty fair. It was short and incomplete. It doesn't constitute 3 epic movies or how ever many. So to achieve that there has to be some filler added. Par for the course though I suppose.

If anyone sees an original printed set, not a reprint. Grab them. For posterity. I have a fairly early publication "set" for the library.

I just notice fellowship is on tonight.

[Hypertiger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes

Take a byte of the forbidden fruit of logic and gain awareness of 1 and 0

Truth and lies

Love and hate

Law and rule

Strength and weakness

Smart and dumb

Knowledge and ignorance

Supply and demand

Need and want

Good and evil

Birth and death

Eve and Adam

Liberal and conservative

Female and male

Hot and cold

Up and down

Top and bottom

White and black

Positive and negative

https://www.google.ca/search?q=bride+and+groom&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGNI_enCA533&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=FXW9UtqlJIvaoATS_YLIBg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1519&bih=748#q=bride+and+groom+wedding+cake&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&tbm=isch

A more perfect Union is a marriage

Positive 1 or WHITE and Negative 1 or BLACK = Grow old and GREY 0 together.

All books are filled with bad reasoning or illogic.

The movies too.

http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20131107133050622

Your artificial intelligence is suffering from acceptance of the Zionist program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quis_ut_Deus%3F

The sword or 1 and the shield or 0

"Justice was able to create a personal force-field with his left hand (which he referred to as his "shield"), and fire a deadly blast of energy with his right hand (his "sword"). Furthermore, he was able to see people's auras and thereby judge instantly whether they were inherently good or evil (this being the primary reason for his draconian morality, though later it was said he could mainly read paranormals). In addition, he was a master of hand-to-hand combat and could apparently heal severe injuries by concentrating. (At one point, he apparently regenerated his right hand over a period of one month after it had been lost in a fight with one of Darquill's creatures; however, for a time his "sword" no longer functioned reliably. Since Justice never performed such a feat after his illusions were dispelled [see below], and since these events happened during the period Justice had trouble differentiating fantasy from reality, it is unknown whether this power, too, was an illusion.)"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_boundary_mark The event Horrorzion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metatron

"he is the highest of the angels and serves as the celestial scribe."

English is a high level programing language where you can get into hot water by skating on thin ice.

You all are entangled in threads like flies on the world wide web of lies ruled by the horror of babble on.

Committing suicide fighting to the death to remain asleep (ignorant of Truth) to continue to enjoy the daydream (cherished delusion) you are awake (knowledgeable of Truth)

[Hypertiger]

I can see the invisible order behind the visible chaos

“None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.” - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

“Be cautious in your words and carriage, that the most penetrating stranger shall not be able to discover or find out what is not proper intimated; and sometimes you shall divert a discourse, and manage it prudently for the honour of the worshipful fraternity.”

"most penetrating stranger"

There is no defence against me.

Visible chaos = the fog of war.

I can see through it.

You all demand to be supplied with what you want...Lies you believe are Truth

I demand to be supplied with what I need...Truth

You all connect to the Internet seeking support for or to promote your cherished delusions (lies you believe are Truth)

Truth (singularity) is the supply of power to the demand for the birth and death of lies (duality)

You can not see the millions of calculations a second required to draw and redraw or create and destroy the screen you are looking at 60 times a second.

Because you just think/embrace positive (fantasy/lies) and ignore/reject negative (reality/truth)...you just see the positive or visible chaos...not the invisible order.

A one Gigahertz processer can perform 1 Billion operations a second.

1 Billion "revolutions" a second.

You use lies you believe are Truth to measure lies you believe are Truth to find lies you believe are Truth.

Measure twice lie once.

I use Truth to measure lies.

The only way to escape my judgement is to remain invisible.

The internet = Master/dealer

You = Slave/addict

You were all given the internet at the start for free to get you all hooked.

You supply master/dealer and slave/addict to demand of the embrace positive reject negatitve algorithm.

Master/dealer = negative becomes Server = positive

Slave/addict =negative becomes client = positive

The master slave relationship becomes the server client model.

http://www.internetsociety.org/internet/what-internet/history-internet/brief-history-internet-related-networks

The instant you connected to the Internet whenever that was in your life = Checkmate.

If you think you can hide on the internet...That is a lie you believe is Truth or reasonable assumption that you have fallen in love with...A cherished delusion.

You will fight to the death to protect what you cherish.

Like a moth flying into a flame

Following the path of lest effort (ignorance) to the logical conclusion (Truth) of the reasonable assumption (lie you worship as Truth)

[Hypertiger]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bavarian_Circle one ring to rule them all

The house of Winsor is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha from Bavaria...sits upon the second oldest throne

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratzinger sat upon the oldest throne in 2005

George W Bush was president and a member of skull and bones http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenkopf

See.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

http://hypertiger.blogspot.ca/2013/06/what-basically-is-too-much-information.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqxwtEdxOCw

I'm not trying to wake you up...but you all are not going to put me back to sleep...since I was born awake.

I created the Hypertiger alter ego in 1987 to run around in the Matrix.

Neo (New born sucker) Morpheus (God of Dreams/Delusions) Trinity (Hypostasis) showed up in 1999.

The bank of England "the old lady of Threadneedle street" was concieved by Sir William Paterson...a member of the Worshipful Company of Merchant Taylors

http://www.google.ca/imgres?sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&rlz=1I7GGNI_enCA533&biw=1519&bih=748&tbm=isch&tbnid=jVNtMbuL9pGseM:&imgrefurl=http://www.theoandthemajor.com/shop/Worshipgul_Company_of_Merchant_Taylors.html&docid=4JQScVESQu_gGM&imgurl=http://www.theoandthemajor.com/shop/Merchant-Taylors01.jpg&w=400&h=400&ei=CpK9Utz8KYrqoASRxYKwCA&zoom=1&ved=1t:3588,r:2,s:0,i:85&iact=rc&page=1&tbnh=193&tbnw=178&start=0&ndsp=28&tx=126.0999755859375&ty=109.80999755859375

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

Gandalf the Grey or 0 or neutral fought the Balrog/Satan or negative 1 or black/evil...And was pulled down to the abyss or absolute 0 cold...But was saved by GOD and become Gandalf the white or positive 1...Archangel Michael....Good.

[MAGNES]

Much of the LOTR is allegory to some greater European History.

I have scattered comments throughout this forum.

It goes from the basic like the symbolism(IE Man) throughout to some very
significant history of Eastern invaders as destroyers(mongols/muslims).

Then you have " the eye " which I had as an avatar on here for a while when
I was posting some of this.

From my knowledge, I can comment with references to much of what is in series.

I always enjoy others peoples takes, on SF there are a few threads on this going back.
On there people give the Nordic Mythology or more Northern European, UK Isle , etc.

See the bonus CD of ROTK, the director himself tells you.

Remember , " MEN OF THE WEST " . See the scene(ROTK), it is quite incredible.
The Eagles join the fight. This is very powerful historical imagery.

The Marble Emperor shall rise again. " MEN OF THE WEST " .

Light shall prevail, the forces of darkness will be destroyed, God is on our side.

Here is an excellent contribution by SJS.

SJS is very qualified to comment on these issues and his OP is great.

"The Silmmarillion", thanks for reading.


If you think LOTR talks about it, you owe it to yourself to read Tolkien's book, "The Silmmarillion", especially the part concerning the rise and fall of the Numenoreans.

They are given (by the angels/minor gods who serve the one true God) a beautiful island, longer lifespan than other mortals, and they become wealthy just like the Byzantines.

Sauron is in Middle Earth in Mordor, they come and take him captive, but he is so convincing a deceiver that he poisons them with the spirit of rebellion against God and his edict that men are mortal and that there are places they cannot go.

They sin against God, in response he breaks their island, and only a few loyal survivors make it away from the destruction - they end up in Middle Earth and their descendants include Aragorn.

Note that in the New Testament, the spirit of rebellion is always called also, the spirit of anti-Christ ... something I am thinking about when I consider the American Jews' behavior towards the nuclear family, Christianity, their constant promotion of homosexuality, pornography, their war against modesty, etc.

SJS responds to my comments.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40651-Eustace-Mullins-NEW-HISTORY-OF-THE-JEWS&p=347885&viewfull=1#post347885

This thread has it all, scenes and quotes from ROTK.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?40651-Eustace-Mullins-NEW-HISTORY-OF-THE-JEWS&p=342215&viewfull=1#post342215

The Eagles will never be on the side of the Orcs.

[Jewboo]

But of course this is Hollywood and we can't have too much masculinity in our movies unless it is about mindless violence and superheroes.




http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk3/thuyduong06061993/3Cdotcom_Harry-Potter.jpg
Jewish-Looking Homo as new model of Young Masculinity


http://content9.flixster.com/question/17/73/04/1773043_std.jpg
Blond Aryan is the Evil Bully


:rolleyes:

[ShortJohnSilver]

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk3/thuyduong06061993/3Cdotcom_Harry-Potter.jpg
Jewish-Looking Homo as new model of Young Masculinity


http://content9.flixster.com/question/17/73/04/1773043_std.jpg
Blond Aryan is the Evil Bully


:rolleyes:


You will also notice, "MEN" by themselves, can never be left alone, they always have to have a woman around. MEN by themselves is practically EEEEEVILLLLL .

Earlier stuff for boys, like Arthur Conan Doyle's "White Company", or "Eagle of the Ninth" (forget the author), etc. was MEN being MEN, doing MANLY things.

MEN do stuff, and WOMEN are protected. But now, due to a supposed egalitarian BS ( which is really the "spirit of rebellion") we have WOMEN encouraged to take on the jobs that MEN are uniquely suited for... and they bluntly, are not as good at it.

[Hypertiger]

Men/conservatives/violent absolute capitalists are Negative...Supply of power to Death

Women/liberals/gradual absolute capitalists are Positive...Supply of power to Life

But

Lady liberty takes more power than she gives and is fighting against Mother nature who is taking more power than she gives fighting against lady Liberty.

Lady liberty (Satan/ignorance) is seducing men to chop down trees faster than they regrow to sustain the war against mother nature (GOD/knowledge).

Mother nature always wins and hell hath no furry like a woman scorned.

When the trees run out...All that is left of the army of ignorance...is skeletons.

I interrogated a Muslim brotherhood follower from Sudan for months.

He told me two sayings.

Starve your dog (slave) to keep him close (to the master)

And

Search for evil...find a woman.

liberal = hot = red

conservative = blue = cold.

4 red ladies...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_archetypes Law of the Jung le

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqxwtEdxOCw

This one is an Australian playing a Canadian taking on Dark lady liberty...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBsGzcsFOMo

In the X-men...the original mythology...all the X-man are liberals that basically commit suicide trying to avoid murdering their opponents and it's always left up to Wolverine in the end...the benevolent psychopath death machine to save them all by doing what has to be done or should have been done.

Scarlet in Gone with the wind is another red lady that all the hapless fools around her rely upon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIXc8yQ2m84

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-rHdSWZLpQ Ecstasy of gold.

and one blue one...magic flute/queen of the night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqBwe9BCj4A

[Hypertiger]

Have you watched this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=664eq7BXQcM

This is some more brain damage

http://truth-zone.co.uk/forum/the-lounge/62716-do-you-believe-in-god.html?start=20#88481

[Horn]

Didn't seem all that zionistic to me, all stories need a luv story.

http ://viooz.co/movies/23361-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-2013.html

[Gold Rules]

Hypertiger a ?

what do you say to those of us

who seek the truth

& only find lie's & obfuscation ?

Hypocrite's run rampant & a mans word means

Nothing

Your thoughts??

[ShortJohnSilver]

Didn't seem all that zionistic to me, all stories need a luv story.

http ://viooz.co/movies/23361-the-hobbit-the-desolation-of-smaug-2013.html


I pointed it out above, if you have seen the movie and read the book, please explain why I am wrong.

Many watched the first movie of the Hobbit, which doesn't have a love interest, and the book is popular without a love interest, also.

[Horn]

Not saying you are wrong, just that its not all together that zionistic.

Fact is with all trilogy the middle part ties the premier and finale together, without somekind of added alternate or side luv thing going on they will remain dry. A book is a little different then that as you're not split up into sections.

Somehow I endup liking those middle movies the best when trilogies are completed.

LOTR had that affair with the human to be king and elf princess going on thru it.

[Shami-Amourae]

I wanna watch these films but wont till all three are out. I don't like watching chronological films/series a year apart.

Honestly though, I'm mainly there for the awesome music. I love trailer music.

[Hypertiger]

Hypertiger a ?

what do you say to those of us

who seek the truth

& only find lie's & obfuscation ?

Hypocrite's run rampant & a mans word means

Nothing

Your thoughts??


There is no such thing as "the" Truth

There is just Truth.

You are searching for something.

You want something.

Truth only supplies what you need...Not what you want

You will only obtain what you want when what you want and need are the same.

You do not need anything other than Truth...Everything else is a want.

You do not need water...you want water

You do not need air...you want air

You do not need anything other than Truth...Anything else you believe you need is a want.