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Serpo
27th December 2013, 02:53 PM
US judge rules NSA data collection is legal JONATHAN STEMPEL Last updated 07:44 28/12/2013




















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SPEAKING OUT: National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden.
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A federal judge ruled that a National Security Agency program that collects records of millions of Americans' phone calls is lawful, calling it a "counter-punch" to terrorism that does not violate Americans' privacy rights.
The decision by US District Judge William Pauley in Manhattan dismissed a lawsuit by the American Civil Liberties Union challenging the program, whose existence was first disclosed by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.
It also diverges from a Dec. 16 ruling by US District Judge Richard Leon in Washington, D.C., who said the "almost Orwellian" program was likely unconstitutional. He ordered the government to stop collecting call data on the two plaintiffs in that case.
The program also faces a legal challenge from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a data privacy group. Any split among federal judges about the program's constitutionally could ultimately be resolved by the US Supreme Court.
In a 54-page decision, Pauley said the program "vacuums up information about virtually every telephone call to, from, or within the United States."
But he said the program's constitutionality "is ultimately a question of reasonableness," and that there was no evidence that the government had used "bulk telephony metadata" for any reason other than to investigate and disrupt terrorist attacks.
"This blunt tool only works because it collects everything," Pauley wrote. "Technology allowed al Qaeda to operate decentralised and plot international terrorist attacks remotely. The bulk telephony metadata collection program represents the government's counter-punch."
Pauley denied the ACLU's motion for a preliminary injunction. He said the public interest tilts "firmly" in the direction of the government, whose interest in combating terrorism "is an urgent objective of the highest order."
President Barack Obama has defended the surveillance program but has indicated a willingness to consider constraints, including whether to give control of metadata to phone companies or other third parties. Intelligence officials have said this could prove costly and slow investigations.
The ACLU had no immediate comment on the decision. White House Spokesman Josh Earnest declined to comment. A US Department of Justice spokesman said the department is pleased with the decision.
RUBBER STAMP, OR VITAL WEAPON?
Leaks by Snowden have detailed the breadth of US electronic surveillance and sparked a debate over how much leeway to give the government in protecting Americans from terrorism.
Snowden is now in Russia under temporary asylum.
Larry Klayman, a conservative legal activist who brought the case before Judge Leon, called Pauley's ruling "an outrageous decision that ignores the legitimate fears of the American people and in effect rubber stamps a police state."
Pauley was appointed to the bench by President Bill Clinton. Leon was appointed by President George W. Bush.
Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican and chairman of the House Homeland Security Subcommittee on Counterintelligence & Terrorism, in a statement said Pauley's decision "preserves a vital weapon for the United States in our war against international terrorism."
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9559433/US-judge-rules-NSA-data-collection-is-legal

Dogman
27th December 2013, 03:10 PM
The fat lady has not sang yet, and the uproar is still building to its peak!

The ping pong match has just started.

mick silver
27th December 2013, 11:03 PM
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mick silver
27th December 2013, 11:06 PM
look at who they people are , read this and you will know .In December 2008, Kadish pleaded guilty to acting as an unregistered agent of Israel, admitting he gave classified documents to Israel in the 1980s.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-ami_Kadish#cite_note-reuters-2) Prosecutors asserted that Kadish had furnished classified American secrets to Yosef Yagur (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yosef_Yagur&action=edit&redlink=1), the same Israeli agent who had received secret documents from Jonathan Pollard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-ami_Kadish#cite_note-reuters-2)In determining the sentence, Judge William H. Pauley III (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Pauley_III) asserted, "Why it took the government 23 years to charge Mr. Kadish is shrouded in mystery."[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-ami_Kadish#cite_note-nyt-7) Pauley stated that prison would "serve no purpose" for a man of Kadish's advanced age and infirmity, opting to levy a $50,000 fine against Kadish.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-ami_Kadish#cite_note-nyt-7) The prosecutor stated that the decision to accept the plea agreement was based on Kadish's cooperation and his willingness to admit wrongdoing.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben-ami_Kadish#cite_note-nyt-7) Prior to sentencing, Kadish faced the judge standing with the aid of a cane and stated, "I'm sorry I made a mistake ... It was a misjudgment. I thought I was helping the state of Israel without harming the United States.

mick silver
27th December 2013, 11:14 PM
Police State Judge William Pauley is a Terrorist Time for Him to Disappear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtrdtjVZ2x4

Hypertiger
28th December 2013, 04:56 AM
The operating systems on your computers collect data from you all and there is no way to prove the collection is illegal or not...The judges know about as much as you all about digital electronic computers...

Microsoft knows where every illegal copy of Windows is...

There is no way to find the signals hidden in the signals...The encryption algorithms make the data transfers look like noise...

Unless you have written the programs or constructed the microcontrollers yourself....there is no way to know what they are actually doing...The data stream looks like noise until it is run through the decryption algorithm/filter and the backdoors are invisible unless you know where exactly they are.

The legal system is not going to stop what can not be stopped.

The legal system is meaningless if it can not catch what is uncatchable.

Cebu_4_2
28th December 2013, 05:22 AM
The operating systems on your computers collect data from you all and there is no way to prove the collection is illegal or not...The judges know about as much as you all about digital electronic computers...

Microsoft knows where every illegal copy of Windows is...

There is no way to find the signals hidden in the signals...The encryption algorithms make the data transfers look like noise...

Unless you have written the programs or constructed the microcontrollers yourself....there is no way to know what they are actually doing...The data stream looks like noise until it is run through the decryption algorithm/filter and the backdoors are invisible unless you know where exactly they are.

The legal system is not going to stop what can not be stopped.

The legal system is meaningless if it can not catch what is uncatchable.

Personaly I liked it much better when you were on vacation.

Twisted Titan
28th December 2013, 01:31 PM
When injustice becomes Law.

Rebellion becomes Duty.

mick silver
28th December 2013, 01:38 PM
just try and do what the nsa does and see how fast your ass is jail . just spy on people living around you and see what happens . tape record someone and see how far that go for you . spy on people in the gov , and i bet you your ass will be in jail before you can say , what did i do . bug someone phone and see what that does for you . hook into someone internet and lets see how fast you are in jail and in front on a judge and all of this is legal for a group of people being paid by all of us . and we all pay more then once for all this spying , we pay for our phones our internet , gps , it would be nice to see just how many ways they have to spy on us all