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iOWNme

30th December 2013, 04:44 PM

In one edition of Ballentines dictionary Human was defined as 'a monster'.

I know, you've told me before. The only problem is i dont look to the scribbles of maniacs and lobotomized monkeys (sometimes called attorners and politicians) to find my definitions, especially when using common language to communicate with.

Do you agree or disagree with what was presented here? You probably didnt even watch it because you dont like Larken. Which is totally fine. But then you CONSTANTLY post mindless drivel that you know has no discernible reference to what is being discussed. Its almost as if you ARE one of those maniacs or lobotomized monkeys, but i know your not.

Do you think Nationalism is good or can 'help' humanity? If so, how?

How about Hitler? Just because he was fighting the evil 'Commies' did that make everything he did noble and righteous? Or was he still bound by the same rules of human morality we all are? Did him just taking the stance against Communism actually alter human morality as it was known?

iOWNme

30th December 2013, 04:51 PM

7th Trump:

I LITERALLY posted this:

Lets see if members here can try and actually think about what is presented here instead of the usual character assassination and ad-hominem attacks that are used when someone has no facts or evidence to back up their 'belief'.

And then you posted this:

Why?
You went to prison.

Would anybody listen to a homeless guy for financial guidance?

Im not even sure what to say at this point. Its like trying to have a discussion with a doorknob.

palani

30th December 2013, 05:08 PM

I know, you've told me before. The only problem is i dont look to the scribbles of maniacs and lobotomized monkeys (sometimes called attorners and politicians) to find my definitions, especially when using common language to communicate with. Many of the words used in law come from the feudal age. Even though attempts are made to modify their meaning to 'modernize' language the original meanings are difficult to overcome. This can be fatal if you aren't aware of the original meanings and use this knowledge to clarify. Allegiance is one such word. When this word is mentioned the topic is land and nothing else.

Do you agree or disagree with what was presented here? You probably didnt even watch it because you dont like Larken. Which is totally fine. But then you CONSTANTLY post mindless drivel that you know has no discernible reference to what is being discussed. Its almost as if you ARE one of those maniacs or lobotomized monkeys, but i know your not. Actually I cannot watch or listen. My sound card decided to go south for the winter and I haven't scrounged up a replacement. Seems youtube requires the existence of a sound card to proceed. As for Larken Rose I have listened to several of his talks and have not formed an opinion.

Do you think Nationalism is good or can 'help' humanity? If so, how? As previously established I am not a fan of humanity or humanism. As a religion the whole concept really sucks.

How about Hitler? Just because he was fighting the evil 'Commies' did that make everything he did noble and righteous? Or was he still bound by the same rules of human morality we all are? Did him just taking the stance against Communism actually alter human morality as it was known? Hitler passed away several years before I arrived and the universe began. Judgment of his actions belong to someone other than I.

Bigjon

30th December 2013, 05:32 PM

I think first and foremost Larken is a Jew.

I agree with most of what he says Hitler was a bad guy and our side were controlled by bad guys too, who just happened to be Jews or at least that is what they claim to be. There are a lot of good Jews, but there are also a lot of bad Jews who hold a lot of power mainly because of their skill at deception. Can I trust any Jew, I don't think I can, because of their proclivity to lie about everything, even when they are telling the truth I suspect them of fulfilling the role of controlled opposition.

Britain has been under the Jewish thumb from the time of their complete takeover of the Bank of England. Larken wants us to look the other way for some other unnamed bad guys. Who is it that is going around the world and passing all these hate laws where the truth is no defense. If you are accused you are automatically guilty, no defense is allowed. Reminds one of burning witches because they didn't sink to the bottom of the lake.

All this noble talk about non-aggression is great and works wonderfully until someone says lets get up an army and take what we want from these defenseless idiots. So far it is the Jews operating behind the scenes doing just that and their victim status lets them get away with it.

7th trump

30th December 2013, 06:11 PM

7th Trump:

I LITERALLY posted this:

And then you posted this:

Im not even sure what to say at this point. Its like trying to have a discussion with a doorknob.
I know exactly what you posted Larkin.
However, you're preaching to the choir about morality here on this website.

Hitler was before his time.
Everybody has a right to change their ways (the purpose of being in the flesh...the testament) and to cut short that testament is something I wouldn't want to be found guilty of.
He came before the pruning of the grape vine where the unproductive vines get pruned (goats separated from the sheep) and burnt (sent to the lake of fire).
What Hitler did to the unproductive so will the Father.

7th trump

30th December 2013, 06:30 PM

I know, you've told me before. The only problem is i dont look to the scribbles of maniacs and lobotomized monkeys (sometimes called attorners and politicians) to find my definitions, especially when using common language to communicate with.

Do you agree or disagree with what was presented here? You probably didnt even watch it because you dont like Larken. Which is totally fine. But then you CONSTANTLY post mindless drivel that you know has no discernible reference to what is being discussed. Its almost as if you ARE one of those maniacs or lobotomized monkeys, but i know your not.

Do you think Nationalism is good or can 'help' humanity? If so, how?

How about Hitler? Just because he was fighting the evil 'Commies' did that make everything he did noble and righteous? Or was he still bound by the same rules of human morality we all are? Did him just taking the stance against Communism actually alter human morality as it was known?

I don't believe theres anything wrong with nationalism.........there are nations all over the world.

Tumbleweed

31st December 2013, 07:34 AM

Twisted Titan

31st December 2013, 09:22 AM

Tagggg

Interesting thread

hoarder

31st December 2013, 10:09 AM

Didn't watch the video, will say this about Nationalism.
Nationalism can take any number of forms and Jews will invariably lead them all to destruction whenever they can. So....what is the opposite of nationalism? One World Government.
That said, Nationalism is the defense against the NWO. Nationalism in itself is not a bad thing, just be careful what kind of Nationalism you support.

Horn

31st December 2013, 10:38 AM

Larkin says to clarify by individuality who are the bad guys exactly.

He will need the choice of an authoritarian type regime to do anything with them once they've been clarified.

Bad guys aren't going to simply let a boycott stop them, in fact they only become really bad once they've become too large to boycott.

iOWNme

31st December 2013, 01:39 PM

I think first and foremost Larken is a Jew.

Another ad-hominem/character assassination argument. Can you intellectually debate the FACTS presented here? If Larken is wrong, you must show how picking a side in conflicts with Empires is not ultimately choosing EVIL. I would love to see you try and debate this FACT.

I agree with most of what he says Hitler was a bad guy and our side were controlled by bad guys too, who just happened to be Jews or at least that is what they claim to be. There are a lot of good Jews, but there are also a lot of bad Jews who hold a lot of power mainly because of their skill at deception. Can I trust any Jew, I don't think I can, because of their proclivity to lie about everything, even when they are telling the truth I suspect them of fulfilling the role of controlled opposition.

You seem to OBSESS about the Jews. If you are being violently aggressed upon by another man, why would it matter what his Religion was? If he were a Christian white man would you put up with being his slave? Of course you wouldnt, which 100% throws out your entire argument.

Britain has been under the Jewish thumb from the time of their complete takeover of the Bank of England. Larken wants us to look the other way for some other unnamed bad guys. Who is it that is going around the world and passing all these hate laws where the truth is no defense. If you are accused you are automatically guilty, no defense is allowed. Reminds one of burning witches because they didn't sink to the bottom of the lake.

There are no bad guys controlling your life. Your chains are MENTAL. Freedom only exists in 1 place: Inside your own head. You seem to be focusing on who is passing 'Laws' instead of focusing on why good natured well meaning innocent poeple OBEY THEM? They have NO POWER without the mind of the slaves. FACT.

Lets say you get rid of all the Jews tomorrow. You are still left with an army of YOUR OWN KIND you will follow the 'Laws' of the next guy to sit on the throne. So it has absolutley NOTHING to do with 'who' is in charge and everything to do with 'why' the people obey them. I just proved to you 100% that it does not matter if 'Jews' are in control or not. Can you debate this without resorting to name calling and other childish tactics? In order to do so you will have to prove that if a Christian white man gets in power, that all of the STATE Mercenaries will instantly stop imagining they must obey orders and follloow the 'Law'. I am anxiously awaiting your well thought out intellectual answer.

All this noble talk about non-aggression is great and works wonderfully until someone says lets get up an army and take what we want from these defenseless idiots. So far it is the Jews operating behind the scenes doing just that and their victim status lets them get away with it.

You really dont understand the nature of reality do you? Where does the NAP (non aggression pricnciple) say that using defensive force is wrong? You havent even spent 5 seconds researching the NAP. You seem to put all violence into the same moral category, like all STATISTS do. The word is AGGRESSION. This means that it is WRONG to be the INITIATOR of violence (The very definition of 'Government'), and that violence is ONLY ever morally justified when used in DEFENSE against an initiator. I bet you agree 100% with this, yet you bash it because your brain has been washed with NATIONALISM, just like Larken said in this video. It makes it almost impossible for you to think in terms of PRINCIPLES and MORALS, instead you think in terms of us v them = EXACTLY like Larken said in this video.

Sparky

31st December 2013, 01:44 PM

...
Would anybody listen to a homeless guy for financial guidance?

Yes. He might enlighten me as to how he ended up homeless. Failure is a tremendous teacher. I listen to everybody, and then discern that which is of value.

iOWNme

31st December 2013, 01:47 PM

I think Larkin Rose has been listening to the Jews to much and believing their bullshit. It doesn't matter what nation the Jews are in they are loyal only to their own tribe. The Jews have used their lying propaganda to turn one nation against another to do their bidding and they will do it again if they're not exposed. He just muddies the water and leads people astray with his bullshit in this video.

This video by Dr William Luther Pierce is a good rebuttal to the Larkin Rose video above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-KQQKZoeRM

What do you suppose would have to exist between the ears of all of the 'Goyim' who believe they must obey these evil filthy Jews? Lets say you 'expose' them tomorrow and the whole world knows the deal, what then? You will still be stuck with an army of YOUR KIND who will follow the 'Laws' of the next Tyrant, no matter what color he is.

The core of the worlds problems lie in addressing WHY good natured well meaning innocent people feel a MORAL OBNLIGATION to carry out evil against their fellow man. Getting rid of the Jews WILL NOT solve this problem. Can you rebut this point using rationality, logic, evidence and reason? Or do you just have more ad hominem attacks and character assassinations to add here?

I will watch your vide tonight.......

hoarder

31st December 2013, 03:01 PM

What do you suppose would have to exist between the ears of all of the 'Goyim' who believe they must obey these evil filthy Jews? Lets say you 'expose' them tomorrow and the whole world knows the deal, what then? You will still be stuck with an army of YOUR KIND who will follow the 'Laws' of the next Tyrant, no matter what color he is.

The core of the worlds problems lie in addressing WHY good natured well meaning innocent people feel a MORAL OBNLIGATION to carry out evil against their fellow man. Getting rid of the Jews WILL NOT solve this problem. Can you rebut this point using rationality, logic, evidence and reason? Or do you just have more ad hominem attacks and character assassinations to add here?

I will watch your vide tonight.......Jews have only been able to deceive and control because they control almost all information sources. It takes a heck of a lot of cohesion to accomplish that. If "an army of my kind" were to mainatain the status quo, they would need the same level of resolve, secrecy and cohesion to do so. It would require a transgenerational level of "Us versus them" attitude.
Extremely doubtful.

And no, forget about bringing up the days of fuedalism. Jews were behind that. If you doubt me read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-History-Religion-Israel-Shahak/dp/074530818X

Ares

31st December 2013, 05:03 PM

Jews have only been able to deceive and control because they control almost all information sources. It takes a heck of a lot of cohesion to accomplish that. If "an army of my kind" were to mainatain the status quo, they would need the same level of resolve, secrecy and cohesion to do so. It would require a transgenerational level of "Us versus them" attitude.
Extremely doubtful.

And no, forget about bringing up the days of fuedalism. Jews were behind that. If you doubt me read this book:
http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-History-Religion-Israel-Shahak/dp/074530818X

If there was no government, would jews have power? If so, explain.

Tumbleweed

31st December 2013, 06:17 PM

What do you suppose would have to exist between the ears of all of the 'Goyim' who believe they must obey these evil filthy Jews? Lets say you 'expose' them tomorrow and the whole world knows the deal, what then? You will still be stuck with an army of YOUR KIND who will follow the 'Laws' of the next Tyrant, no matter what color he is.

The core of the worlds problems lie in addressing WHY good natured well meaning innocent people feel a MORAL OBNLIGATION to carry out evil against their fellow man. Getting rid of the Jews WILL NOT solve this problem. Can you rebut this point using rationality, logic, evidence and reason? Or do you just have more ad hominem attacks and character assassinations to add here?

I will watch your vide tonight.......

In the video Dr. Pierce explains that when Germany got control of the Jews so they couldn't promote their lies, banking and perversions then Germany prospered. Looks to me like proof getting rid of the Jews can do a lot of good. When the Jews couldn't suck the blood out of them any more they used their propaganda machines in other countries to declare war on Germany. Getting rid of the Jews solved a lot of problems Germany was having at home but the Jews brought about their destruction because of it.

If you haven't read Mike Kings "Forbidden History Of The New World Order" you should get a copy and read it. He lays it out pretty well what they've been up to behind the scenes for the last couple hundred years. It appears to me if it were not for the Jews behind the scenes promoting all their perversion, death and destruction the world would be a lot better place.

Horn

31st December 2013, 06:17 PM

If there was no government, would jews have power? If so, explain.

Yes, their religion has spread over the face of the planet, just like Bitcoin.

Ares

31st December 2013, 06:27 PM

Yes, their religion has spread over the face of the planet, just like Bitcoin.

How can these evil filthy jews control anyone, if there is no government to control people with?

hoarder

31st December 2013, 08:33 PM

If there was no government, would jews have power? If so, explain.If there was no government, Jews would control the media and bring in millions of mercenaries from China to enslave us. Government has no personality, it has no will it's just a tool like a hammer or a sewing machine or a gun.

Libertarian logic is akin to liberals who blame guns for crime. It's not the guns or the government that kills and enslaves, it's those who control the tools.

Remember the saying "Guns don't kill, people kill"? Advance that concept to "Governments don't kill people, rulers kill people".

It's time to throw away the political correctness and quit pretending we have a systemic problem when it's obviously a racial problem.

Cebu_4_2

31st December 2013, 09:10 PM

If there was no government, Jews would control the media and bring in millions of mercenaries from China to enslave us. Government has no personality, it has no will it's just a tool like a hammer or a sewing machine or a gun.

Libertarian logic is akin to liberals who blame guns for crime. It's not the guns or the government that kills and enslaves, it's those who control the tools.

Remember the saying "Guns don't kill, people kill"? Advance that concept to "Governments don't kill people, rulers kill people".

It's time to throw away the political correctness and quit pretending we have a systemic problem when it's obviously a racial problem.

Suggestions of a work around please? We know it's the Jew pretenders but WTF why dont we have an angle on it. ... "are they superior" and we are the dweebs?

Ares

31st December 2013, 09:23 PM

If there was no government, Jews would control the media and bring in millions of mercenaries from China to enslave us. Government has no personality, it has no will it's just a tool like a hammer or a sewing machine or a gun.

Yeah, so why recognize and give power to the tool that enslaves you? How would they control the media with out government licensing and regulation? They are having problems dealing with the Alternative media exposing their agenda, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CONTROL IT AND REGULATE IT. There are no licenses and regulation to put up a website exposing the truth. Do that with alternative broadcasting to counter it. Or do you think they are omnipotent?

Libertarian logic is akin to liberals who blame guns for crime. It's not the guns or the government that kills and enslaves, it's those who control the tools.

Statist logic is always blaming the tool and the people behind the tool. Libertarians BELIEVE in limited Governments. ANARCHISTS do not believe in government and find it to be the most abused, most oppressive BELIEF and STATIST religion the world over.

Remember the saying "Guns don't kill, people kill"? Advance that concept to "Governments don't kill people, rulers kill people".

Governments are the greatest killers of people. They even have a name for it called Democide. Billions have lost their lives in the name of government. It really is its own religion on why people BELIEVE their system of government is better and will die to protect that BELIEF.

It's time to throw away the political correctness and quit pretending we have a systemic problem when it's obviously a racial problem.

Last time I checked Jews were a religious doctrine. Even recent DNA evidence has proven the ones who call themselves Jews are not even Jews but are Kaizers. You're suicidal BELIEF of these people are at fault is your failure in logic. There are Jews who are not part of this agenda. Unless of course you BELIEVE they are controlled opposition.
http://www.truetorahjews.org/images/march1224.jpg

But again, everything is a conspiracy when it doesn't match with your BELIEF structure right?

Bigjon

31st December 2013, 09:27 PM

Another ad-hominem/character assassination argument. Can you intellectually debate the FACTS presented here? If Larken is wrong, you must show how picking a side in conflicts with Empires is not ultimately choosing EVIL. I would love to see you try and debate this FACT.

Larken is a Jew, that is a fact and facts are not ad-hominem
Edit: can't find any evidence that Larken is a Jew so it is not a fact. He sure sounds like a Jew to me.

You seem to OBSESS about the Jews. If you are being violently aggressed upon by another man, why would it matter what his Religion was? If he were a Christian white man would you put up with being his slave? Of course you wouldnt, which 100% throws out your entire argument.

You are confused, because the Jews claim they are a race, although that is debatable. Never-the-less it is their one of their greatest strengths, a tie that binds them to each other as the most racist people on the planet and a strength that they use to keep all other races separated and fighting amongst each other.

There are no bad guys controlling your life. Your chains are MENTAL. Freedom only exists in 1 place: Inside your own head. You seem to be focusing on who is passing 'Laws' instead of focusing on why good natured well meaning innocent poeple OBEY THEM? They have NO POWER without the mind of the slaves. FACT.

Lets say you get rid of all the Jews tomorrow. You are still left with an army of YOUR OWN KIND you will follow the 'Laws' of the next guy to sit on the throne. So it has absolutley NOTHING to do with 'who' is in charge and everything to do with 'why' the people obey them. I just proved to you 100% that it does not matter if 'Jews' are in control or not. Can you debate this without resorting to name calling and other childish tactics? In order to do so you will have to prove that if a Christian white man gets in power, that all of the STATE Mercenaries will instantly stop imagining they must obey orders and follloow the 'Law'. I am anxiously awaiting your well thought out intellectual answer.

You have proved nothing.
I can't guess what would happen if we had white leadership, because we have had deceptive Jewish leadership for at least the last 100 years. The Jews were able to put us into WWI when they needed to collect on the Balfour agreement and on all the British war bonds they had bought.

You really dont understand the nature of reality do you? Where does the NAP (non aggression pricnciple) say that using defensive force is wrong? You havent even spent 5 seconds researching the NAP. You seem to put all violence into the same moral category, like all STATISTS do. The word is AGGRESSION. This means that it is WRONG to be the INITIATOR of violence (The very definition of 'Government'), and that violence is ONLY ever morally justified when used in DEFENSE against an initiator. I bet you agree 100% with this, yet you bash it because your brain has been washed with NATIONALISM, just like Larken said in this video. It makes it almost impossible for you to think in terms of PRINCIPLES and MORALS, instead you think in terms of us v them = EXACTLY like Larken said in this video.

You seem to be having some problems with reality yourself, noble ideas are no defense against a group who wants your stuff.

The Jews control just about every thing on this planet, (facts are not ad hominem)
The Jews want your stuff.

And they are taking it while you are suggesting people have a right to go their own way, unfettered by their responsibilities to their fellow men.

My first duty is to my family and then my race and my race is under attack.

Maybe you are a Jew? (ok, this is ad hominem)

Ares

31st December 2013, 09:35 PM

The Jews want your stuff.

I'll have to correct you there. They could care less about your stuff. They want your LABOR.

hoarder

31st December 2013, 09:41 PM

Yeah, so why recognize and give power to the tool that enslaves you? The tool does not enslave me, the persons using the tool does.
How would they control the media with out government licensing and regulation? They control the media because they have money and wish to control deceive and conquer. An honest person buying media to make a profit on advertising and subscriptions cannot outbid them because their potential return is much less. That's how free markets work.

They are having problems dealing with the Alternative media exposing their agenda, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CONTROL IT AND REGULATE IT. But they have volunteers like you to work the internet and sow confusion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2DFnGI9Ac&feature=player_embedded

Governments are the greatest killers of people. Just like guns kill people. I don't blame guns for crime though, I blame the person pulling the trigger. This is why I regard anyone shrieking the word "statist" as having the same intellect as anyone shrieking "gun nut".
Even recent DNA evidence has proven the ones who call themselves Jews are not even Jews but are Kaizers. Khazars, not "Kaizers".

Jewboo

31st December 2013, 09:43 PM

Maybe you are a Jew?

http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=3406&dateline=1308231777

:D his avatar

Bigjon

31st December 2013, 09:51 PM

I'll have to correct you there. They could care less about your stuff. They want your LABOR.

True, but I am just a simple guy trying to keep it simple.

Ares

31st December 2013, 09:55 PM

The tool does not enslave me, the persons using the tool does.

You miss the point, if the tool wasn't available. There wouldn't be anything to enslave you with.

They control the media because they have money and wish to control deceive and conquer. An honest person buying media to make a profit on advertising and subscriptions cannot outbid them because their potential return is much less. That's how free markets work.

Total cop out BULLSHIT on your part. You know damn well we don't have a free market. You can't even broadcast in this country without a license given to the person wanting to broadcast from the government. Who would control the licenses if there was no one to buy them from and a TRUE free market which would determine profitability not who has the best connections?

But they have volunteers like you to work the internet and sow confusion.

Yeah I'm a volunteer because I call out your bullshit. You worship the state, you're far from being alone with that religion. The BELIEF in government supersedes all of the worlds religions combined. You and the rest of the statist religious followers will follow government religion to its logical conclusion.. Suicide

Just like guns kill people. I don't blame guns for crime though, I blame the person pulling the trigger. This is why I regard anyone shrieking the word "statist" as having the same intellect as anyone shrieking "gun nut".Khazars, not "Kaizers".

Thanks for correcting my misspelling. However if you want to make an accurate comparison. Take that gun, point it to your head and then give that power to a complete stranger to pull the trigger. Then you would have an accurate comparison of your statist religion.

Now with that picture in mind, you're right the tool isn't the problem. The TRUST and BELIEF that a complete stranger has your life in his or her hands and you don't know if they're a complete psychopath that will or will not pull the trigger is the problem. Your piss poor example shows your complete lack of logic when it comes to such a weapon as government. You think INCORRECTLY I might add that if that tool was in the right hands it would be safe. We've gone down that path before, the constitution was supposed to keep a government like ours from being tyrannical and oppressive. How's that working out? You can blame the jews all you want. It doesn't change the fact that they have the gun (government your weapon of choice) pointed to your head and are pulling the trigger. While you piss and moan and blame the person, you never see the fallacy of giving that type of power to someone in the first place.

In your opinion, who governs you better? You or your government?

Tumbleweed

1st January 2014, 05:45 AM

I'll have to correct you there. They could care less about your stuff. They want your LABOR.

There is a quote from "The Talmud Unmasked" by I. B. Pranaitis at this link http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter14.htm concerning Jews wanting your stuff/labor.

The goyims would be a lot better off without the holiest book of the Jews, the Talmud teaching them stuff like this. Since the goyims can't seem to separate themselves from the Jews it's best that the teachings of the Talmud are exposed so they are able to defend themselves from them.

II. HARM MUST BE DONE TO THE WORK OF CHRISTIANS
Since the Goim minister to Jews like beasts of burden, they belong to a Jew together with his life and all his faculties:
"The life of a Goi and all his physical powers belong to a Jew." (A. Rohl. Die Polem. p.20)

It is an axiom of the Rabbis that a Jew may take anything that belongs to Christians for any reason whatsoever, even by fraud; nor can such be called robbery since it is merely taking what belongs to him.
In Babha Bathra (54b) it says:
"All things pertaining to the Goim are like a desert; the first person to come along and take them can claim them for his own."

hoarder

1st January 2014, 06:17 AM

You miss the point, if the tool wasn't available. There wouldn't be anything to enslave you with. You miss the point that your argument is equal to those of the anti-gun sector who blame the availability of guns for crime. http://www.bing.com/search?q=availability+of+guns&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC

Total cop out BULLSHIT on your part. You know damn well we don't have a free market. You can't even broadcast in this country without a license given to the person wanting to broadcast from the government. Who would control the licenses if there was no one to buy them from and a TRUE free market which would determine profitability not who has the best connections? I know all that, but you missed the point that even if we did have a free market, Jews would control most of the mass media simply because they would get a higher return on their investment than anyone else.

Horn

1st January 2014, 09:17 AM

How can these evil filthy jews control anyone, if there is no government to control people with?

Faith control, you indoctrinate them through their beliefs and core values of salvation. Once instilled into a previous generation it keeps recycling itself through a religious prophecy.

If Sui didn't have a police state, he'd have a monk state.

Now quit being such a rebellious jew, geez. you only need to follow me. :)

Ares

1st January 2014, 12:30 PM

You miss the point that your argument is equal to those of the anti-gun sector who blame the availability of guns for crime. http://www.bing.com/search?q=availability+of+guns&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC

So no comment on taking that gun, pointing it to your head and giving the power to someone else to decide to pull the trigger or not? Still trying to pigeon hole it into the tried and true divide and conquer technique of gun / anti-gun?

I know all that, but you missed the point that even if we did have a free market, Jews would control most of the mass media simply because they would get a higher return on their investment than anyone else.

We already know that Jews do not prosper well in a TRUE free market. Competition is a sin. How are they fairing with the internet alternative media?

The flesh in blood dyed in wool zionist jew himself even admits that a global political awakening is taking place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHknL5z8f6k

Let me guess, it's because of the controlled and regulated mainstream media that it is happening right?

How can they get a higher return on their investment without gaming the system to their advantage using government licenses and regulation to do so? You think any of these businesses could get to their size and global in nature without government backroom deals? Crony capitalism is not capitalism.

Also if you could, answer this fairly:

In your opinion, who governs you better? You or your government?

hoarder

1st January 2014, 12:59 PM

We already know that Jews do not prosper well in a TRUE free market. Competition is a sin. How are they fairing with the internet alternative media? Jews do in fact prosper in a true free market and they did well before they had tools like the Fed, electronic media and govt regulations. Of course they did a whole lot better as they developed these tools which they skillfully sold us as the printing presses became more efficient. Even back in the mid 1800's Americans remarked at how skilled Jews were in commerce. This is because with a level playing field, they have the advantage of cohesion, supremacist ambition and high intellect. At this point in time, now that Jews have most of the world's wealth, no level playing field could enable us to resist their conquest. They must not be permitted to own media.

In the early 1800's a Jew named Astor arrived from Europe with a sack of trinkets and within a few years became the richest man in America.

How can they get a higher return on their investment without gaming the system to their advantage using government licenses and regulation to do so? If you or I owned mass media, the only profit we could get on the return of our investment is subscriptions and advertisement, niether of which we would get from Jews.
When Jews own media, they get those returns along with the power to make or break public figures, conceal their scams and swindles, and bend the minds of the masses towards accepting Marxist and globalist ideals. How do you think we got here in the first place?

Libertarians present their desired ideological circumstances as though they were permanent. In reality, politics are constantly changing and as long as we permit them the tools of change, they will change things to suit their supremacist agendas. They have a five year plan, a fifty year plan and a five hundred yoear plan.

Sure, eliminating 90% of government would be a big improvement, but that would only be a systemic solution to a racial problem.

The main flaw in Libertarian ideology (and even the Founding Fathers) is that they regard mass media as commerce rather than a military weapon in the hands of hostile foreigners on our own soil.

Santa

1st January 2014, 01:36 PM

Here's a big reason why the Jews came to dominate the banking industry as well as the monetary system used today.

"A Christian prohibition on profit from money 'without working' made banking sinful. Though Pope Leo the Great forbade charging interest on loans by canon law, it was not forbidden to take collateral on loans. Pawn shops thus operate on the basis of a contract that fixes in advance the 'fine' for not respecting the nominal term of the 'interest free' loan, or alternatively, may structure a sale-repurchase by the 'borrower' where the interest is implicit in the repurchase price. Similar conventions exist in modern Islamic banking. Various ways around the prohibition were devised, so that the lowly pawnshop contractors could bundle their risk and investment for larger undertakings. Christianity and Judaism generally ban usury, but allow usury towards heretics. Thus Christians could lend to Jews and vice versa. The only real necessity for a young man who desired a future in the financial world of the Middle Ages was the ability to read and write; the methods used for bookkeeping were carefully kept within families and slowly spread along trade routes. Therefore, this knowledge was available most readily to Jesuits and Jews, who consequently played a major role in European finance. Generally the Jesuits took the role of go-between with heads of state, while the Jews manned the low-end pawnshops.[citation needed] This explains the disproportionately large share of Jews in the goldsmith trade and early diamond market (diamonds being a lightweight alternative to gold)."

Horn

1st January 2014, 02:02 PM

Yes, that appears the choice usury, or not usury. When trouble strikes, or dreams of future profit is visited, the choice of seeking to be used becomes paramount.

If history is any unfortunate evidence, there is a terrible shortcoming when leaving the choice up to individual men.

Men will make whores of themselves for salvation, while calling it good form of sacrifice.

Twisted Titan

5th January 2014, 02:19 AM

Dayum this thread is making my head spin..........

All I can say is if the Zionist Jew was removed from the equation would there be a uptopia?

Absolutely not because somewhere in the world a genetic mutation will give rise to a @$$hole in some other enthic group who believes it is his right to Lord over others and will accomplish this by any means.

So to talk about if the Zionist were removed is nothing more the hypotheical conjecture that is akin to sparing academics that will never have to test their theories in the real world.

The fact is they are the Gatekeepers holding all the keys and it has been so for a very long time.

So should I focus of the "bigger picture" ? I am mindful of it but for now I think it is far better served to keep my eye on that hook noosed bastard that allways tends to be around situations of major upheavel and seems to alllways be in a postion to profit from it in multiple ways.

let me clear that hurdle first ..then i will be in a much better postion to debate about whys ,wherefores and possiblities

iOWNme

5th January 2014, 07:10 AM

In the video Dr. Pierce explains that when Germany got control of the Jews so they couldn't promote their lies, banking and perversions then Germany prospered. Looks to me like proof getting rid of the Jews can do a lot of good. When the Jews couldn't suck the blood out of them any more they used their propaganda machines in other countries to declare war on Germany. Getting rid of the Jews solved a lot of problems Germany was having at home but the Jews brought about their destruction because of it.

You keep dodging the ONLY question that matters:

WHY do good natured well meaning honest people OBEY these 'Jews'? Why dont these same people obey the Mob, the Bloods and the Crips, or the Chinese foreign Army?

If you haven't read Mike Kings "Forbidden History Of The New World Order" you should get a copy and read it. He lays it out pretty well what they've been up to behind the scenes for the last couple hundred years. It appears to me if it were not for the Jews behind the scenes promoting all their perversion, death and destruction the world would be a lot better place.

The problem with the world is thousands of years old. What is going on today has been going on for thousands of years. The supposed 'Zionists' have been in control for the last couple hundred years (just like you said) so what was the problem BEFORE they 'took control'?

Are you more concerned with actually trying to make the world a better place with freedom and liberty for everyone, or are you more concerned with just getting rid of some 'undesirables', so other men who look and talk like you can rule over you?

SWRichmond

5th January 2014, 07:16 AM

"Likewise be all manner of beasts, when they be brought into the field and cried havoke, then every man to take his part."

iOWNme

5th January 2014, 07:27 AM

If there was no government, Jews would control the media and bring in millions of mercenaries from China to enslave us. Government has no personality, it has no will it's just a tool like a hammer or a sewing machine or a gun.

You really just dont get it do you? There is no 'Mass Media' without 'Government'. There are no 'Public Schools' without 'Government'. People get enslaved here because they IMAGINE they must 'obey' 'Authority'. If the Chinese Army invaded here tomorrow do you honestly believe that Americans would view them as 'Legitimate' and would feel a MORAL OBLIGATION to obey them? Of course they wouldnt. But why? If you can honestly answer this question, with no contradictions inside your own head, you will see reality for what it is.

Libertarian logic is akin to liberals who blame guns for crime. It's not the guns or the government that kills and enslaves, it's those who control the tools.

YOUR OWN MIND IS WHAT ENSLAVES YOU. Who controls that?

Remember the saying "Guns don't kill, people kill"? Advance that concept to "Governments don't kill people, rulers kill people".

THERE ARE NO RULERS, and it would help us all if you would stop IMAGINING that there are. Do you IMAGINE there are men on this planet with the moral Right to rule you? Then why do you keep calling CRIMINALS GANGSTER THUGS 'rulers'?

It's time to throw away the political correctness and quit pretending we have a systemic problem when it's obviously a racial problem.

Ive asked you this about 10 times and run away from it. If you removed the 'racial problem' tomorrow, but you keep the zombie hoard of mindless drone STATE Mercenaries, WHAT is going to stop them from enforcing the next White Christian man's 'Laws'? Ill tell you: NOTHING.

The 'Jews' have no power without the goyim. Have you ever been robbed at gunpoint by one of these 'Jews'? Have you ever been pulled over and accosted by one of the 'Jews'? Have you ever gotten a letter sent to you threatening you with violence from one of these 'Jews'? Have you ever had a gang of 'Jews' try and SWAT team your home at 2am for the wrong plant in your home? Have you ever had your property seized and stolen from one of these 'Jews'?

Im pretty sure that EVERYTIME you have had any of these things done to you without your consent it was done to you BY YOUR OWN KIND. Now what would make a good natured well intentioned WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN do these things to you?

It is the belief in 'Authority' that powers Evil in this world, AND NOTHING ELSE.

iOWNme

5th January 2014, 07:31 AM

Yeah, so why recognize and give power to the tool that enslaves you? How would they control the media with out government licensing and regulation? They are having problems dealing with the Alternative media exposing their agenda, BECAUSE THEY CAN'T CONTROL IT AND REGULATE IT. There are no licenses and regulation to put up a website exposing the truth. Do that with alternative broadcasting to counter it. Or do you think they are omnipotent?

Statist logic is always blaming the tool and the people behind the tool. Libertarians BELIEVE in limited Governments. ANARCHISTS do not believe in government and find it to be the most abused, most oppressive BELIEF and STATIST religion the world over.

Governments are the greatest killers of people. They even have a name for it called Democide. Billions have lost their lives in the name of government. It really is its own religion on why people BELIEVE their system of government is better and will die to protect that BELIEF.

Last time I checked Jews were a religious doctrine. Even recent DNA evidence has proven the ones who call themselves Jews are not even Jews but are Kaizers. You're suicidal BELIEF of these people are at fault is your failure in logic. There are Jews who are not part of this agenda. Unless of course you BELIEVE they are controlled opposition.
http://www.truetorahjews.org/images/march1224.jpg

But again, everything is a conspiracy when it doesn't match with your BELIEF structure right?

Ares nailed it here.

iOWNme

5th January 2014, 07:51 AM

Larken is a Jew, that is a fact and facts are not ad-hominem
Edit: can't find any evidence that Larken is a Jew so it is not a fact. He sure sounds like a Jew to me.

That is EXACTLY what ad-hominem means.

"An ad hominem (Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin) for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a general category of fallacies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy) in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument."

I looked into this very same thing years ago when i first came across his work. I can find absolutely NO evidence whatsoever of this, even though it would not effect me one bit. The back of one of his books says he is from Bryn Athyn, PA.

You are confused, because the Jews claim they are a race, although that is debatable. Never-the-less it is their one of their greatest strengths, a tie that binds them to each other as the most racist people on the planet and a strength that they use to keep all other races separated and fighting amongst each other.

So they are 'rascist' because they stick together for their own advancement? Yet you just said your first duty is family THEN RACE. So how are YOU any different from them?

You have proved nothing.
I can't guess what would happen if we had white leadership, because we have had deceptive Jewish leadership for at least the last 100 years. The Jews were able to put us into WWI when they needed to collect on the Balfour agreement and on all the British war bonds they had bought.

We did have 'White' leadership, ITS WHAT CREATED THIS MONSTER over 230 years ago. How many of the Founders were 'Jewish'? The reason i ask is because the Founders PRETENDED to give to something called 'Congress' not only the POWER but the MORAL OBLIGATION to:

STEAL WEALTH (sometimes called taxation)
KIDNAP (sometimes called conscription)
PLUNDER PRIVATE PROPERTY (sometimes called eminent domain)
MURDER (sometimes called Declaration of War)

How did all of these things that the 'Jews' use and take advantage of now get into our sacred 'White Christian' document?

You seem to be having some problems with reality yourself, noble ideas are no defense against a group who wants your stuff.

You can ignore reality, but you can not ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.

The Jews control just about every thing on this planet, (facts are not ad hominem)
The Jews want your stuff.

The 'Jews' control NOTHING without the mind of the oppressed.

"The greatest weapon of the Oppressor is the mind of the oppressed."

And they are taking it while you are suggesting people have a right to go their own way, unfettered by their responsibilities to their fellow men.

My first duty is to my family and then my race and my race is under attack.

How is this mentality different from these 'Evil' 'Filthy' 'Jews'? They also feel their 'race' is under attack. In fact most 'Jews' are raised from day 1 to think they are special and different from the other people on this planet. They are told their whole lives that they are 'better' and 'superior' to everyone else. This DRASTICALLY alters their ability to be humans, because they IMAGINE they are something other than a mortal human. When someone actually BELIEVES they are better/superior/special/Authority it leads them to behave and act like MONSTERS, not humans. This has NOTHING to do with anyones race or religion, and everything to do with their ability to discern Right from Wrong. The reason they cannot discern Right from Wrong is because they have been trained to believe the LIE rather than using their own free will and conscience to figure out the TRUTH.

Maybe you are a Jew? (ok, this is ad hominem)

There is not 1 single member here who can debate me about these topic, without eventually resorting to ad hominem attacks and character assassination. Even the supposed 'Best' posters can only resort to name calling and other childish tactics reserved for people with no intellectual acumen.

No im not Larken Rose. No i am not Jewish. I simply have a different view of things than you do. And when faced with this your only recourse is to put some type of label on me. Which ultimately means YOU'VE LOST THE DISCUSSION.

iOWNme

5th January 2014, 08:08 AM

The tool does not enslave me, the persons using the tool does.

NO. YOU enslave yourself by IMAGINING you have a moral obligation to obey them. Some sane and rational people may obey out of fear, but the insane irrational CULT obeys out of the false feeling of a moral obligation to do so. WHO is controlling your mind?

They control the media because they have money and wish to control deceive and conquer. An honest person buying media to make a profit on advertising and subscriptions cannot outbid them because their potential return is much less. That's how free markets work.

So they 'control' the entire media, yet they keep the control via the 'free market'? Do you see an inherent contradiction in what you said?

But they have volunteers like you to work the internet and sow confusion. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x2DFnGI9Ac&feature=player_embedded Just like guns kill people. I don't blame guns for crime though, I blame the person pulling the trigger. This is why I regard anyone shrieking the word "statist" as having the same intellect as anyone shrieking "gun nut".Khazars, not "Kaizers".

How many times has it been the 'Jew' pulling the trigger vs the 'Goyim'? Yet you said you blame the actual person who commits the crime? I thought it was all the 'Jews' fault? Do you see ANOTHER giant contradiction in what you said?

The belief in 'Guns' is a completely sane and rational belief. The belief in 'Government' ACTUALLY KILLS PEOPLE. Why would you compare these two? 'Government' kills NOBODY, but the belief in it KILLS MILLIONS. Guess what you call someone who IMAGINES/BELIEVES in the STATE? A STATIST.

iOWNme

5th January 2014, 08:12 AM

http://gold-silver.us/forum/image.php?u=3406&dateline=1308231777

:D his avatar

I love how when someone disagrees with the STATIST of GSUS, they are automatically labeled a 'Jew'. I thought this place had some of the brightest and most intellectual people on the net? Yet all that ever comes out of the CULT members here are ad hominem attacks and character assassinations. Maybe you guys could set aside your Religious doctrines and Nationalistic ferver for a moment and actually try and find a principled moral argument? Dont worry i wont hold my breath.

GACK.

EE_

5th January 2014, 08:16 AM

There is no 'Mass Media' without 'Government'. There are no 'Public Schools' without 'Government'. People get enslaved here because they IMAGINE they must 'obey' 'Authority'. If the Chinese Army invaded here tomorrow do you honestly believe that Americans would view them as 'Legitimate' and would feel a MORAL OBLIGATION to obey them. Of course they wouldnt. But why? If you can honestly answer this question, with no contradictions inside your own head, you will see reality for what it is.

People get enslaved because they imagine they must obey a greater force 'authority' that will brutally beat them, imprison them, or kill them and take everything they have worked for.
The Chinese are invading the US at present, using the same tactics as the Jew...piece by piece. When their numbers reach critical mass, they will either join the Jew at the goy trough, or war with the Jew for power.

YOUR OWN MIND IS WHAT ENSLAVES YOU. Who controls that?

For many that's true, for others it's armies ready to inflict death at the direction of ruthless dictators.

THERE ARE NO RULERS, and it would help us all if you would stop IMAGINING that there are. Do you IMAGINE there are men on this planet with the moral Right to rule you? Then why do you keep calling CRIMINALS GANGSTER THUGS 'rulers'?

There are no rulers, only ruthless dictators with standing armies ready to kill. There is no moral right, only force.

If you removed the 'racial problem' tomorrow, but you keep the zombie hoard of mindless drone STATE Mercenaries, WHAT is going to stop them from enforcing the next White Christian man's 'Laws' Ill tell you: NOTHING.

Correct. Until elected leaders are held to account for their actions, this will never change

The 'Jews' have no power without the goyim. Have you ever been robbed at gunpoint by one of these 'Jews'? Have you ever been pulled over and accosted by one of the 'Jews'? Have you ever gotten a letter sent to you threatening you with violence from one of these 'Jews'? Have you ever had a gang of 'Jews' try and SWAT team your home at 2am for the wrong plant in your home? Have you ever had your property seized and stolen from one of these 'Jews'?
Im pretty sure that EVERYTIME you have had any of these things done to you without your consent it was done to you BY YOUR OWN KIND. Now what would make a good natured well intentioned WHITE CHRISTIAN MAN do these things to you?

All these things are done by proxy. These are not "our own kind" they are the hidden hand of the Jew. The Jew exploits the main weakness of the goy, money! These that are "not our kind" outside of skin color are corrupted by the handsome salaries paid to them.
The Jew does not have this weakness because he has his money and his close knit group that is working towards a common goal...something the goy does not have.

It is the belief in 'Authority' that powers Evil in this world, AND NOTHING ELSE.

It is the belief in self-preservation that powers the evil.

palani

5th January 2014, 08:21 AM

How is it possible to choose sides when you are dealing with a sphere? You might decide if you are within the sphere or without the sphere. If within the sphere then you are said to be enclosed by the sphere. If you are without the sphere you might define the distance you are from the sphere.

Examples: Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere and http://www.sphereproject.org/

EE_

5th January 2014, 08:23 AM

I'm hoping this conversation leads to some real answers some day. All of the problems are being pointed out, but no real working solutions as yet.

Tumbleweed

5th January 2014, 08:35 AM

You keep dodging the ONLY question that matters:

WHY do good natured well meaning honest people OBEY these 'Jews'?

Because the Jews control the propaganda tools to lead them astray and turn them against anyone who speaks truthfully about what they are doing. They control the politicians with either money or blackmail to make them do their will with rules and regulations to their advantage. They help each other move into positions of power and influence where they are able to do these things. They have the Talmud as their guide and the christians have the New Testament as theirs and it works against them because they are miss guided against defending themselves against the evil of the Jews. Jesus kicked over their tables and ran their asses out of the temple and so should we. That got him killed and it got Hitler and a lot of Germans killed to. Mostly goyim die in wars and most all will avoid it if there's anyway possible but the Jews with their lies, propaganda and treachery are always promoting them.

What would make the world a better place would be exposing the evil that's in the Talmud and controlling the Jews in the way Germany did. It pulled their teeth there but they had to much power in other places for it to work.

I think the jews will always be with us here on earth but being a christian I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. He said he will sort the wheat from the chaff. When we cross over to the other side I think the Jews are going to be sorted off and they will no longer be with us if we've followed his teachings. When it comes to the Jews though here on earth expose them, avoid them, keep them away from positions of power and influence and protect yourself and your family from them as much as you can. They're the children of Satan.

EE_

5th January 2014, 09:03 AM

I think the jews will always be with us here on earth but being a christian I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. He said he will sort the wheat from the chaff. When we cross over to the other side I think the Jews are going to be sorted off and they will no longer be with us if we've followed his teachings. When it comes to the Jews though here on earth expose them, avoid them, keep them away from positions of power and influence and protect yourself and your family from them as much as you can. They're the children of Satan.

A message to live by!

Hitch

5th January 2014, 09:15 AM

A message to live by!

EE, I am a Catholic. I spent 8 years at an all Catholic school before High School. I was baptized, and confirmed, and was even an alter boy for several years. I don't recall ever being taught that Jews are the children of Satan. I agree there is a lot of evil in this world and do believe God will sort it out when we all cross over, but he didn't give us this gift of life to judge and condemn others.

The message to live by is to not let us be lowered down to their level. Live good honorable lives.

EE_

5th January 2014, 09:21 AM

7th trump

5th January 2014, 09:30 AM

I'll agree with EE here.

What Tumbleweed said here.

I think the jews will always be with us here on earth but being a christian I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. He said he will sort the wheat from the chaff. When we cross over to the other side I think the Jews are going to be sorted off and they will no longer be with us if we've followed his teachings. When it comes to the Jews though here on earth expose them, avoid them, keep them away from positions of power and influence and protect yourself and your family from them as much as you can. They're the children of Satan.

What Tumbleweed said is the basically what both God (old testament) and Christ (new testament) has said many times in many books of the Bible.
And yes when these fake chosen pass over they are sorted out by God and thrown into the fire (destroyed........as in uncreated)

EE_

5th January 2014, 09:32 AM

EE, I am a Catholic. I spent 8 years at an all Catholic school before High School. I was baptized, and confirmed, and was even an alter boy for several years. I don't recall ever being taught that Jews are the children of Satan. I agree there is a lot of evil in this world and do believe God will sort it out when we all cross over, but he didn't give us this gift of life to judge and condemn others.

The message to live by is to not let us be lowered down to their level. Live good honorable lives.

You should know Christains are pretty damn good at passing judgement and condemnation.

We can split hairs all day on who these people are, Jews, Zionists, Khazars...but they all go by the Jew moniker.

Hypothetical situation:

Let's say you had a Polish society and all the Pol's in high places/leaders were evil, pedophiles, murders, thieves and depraved homosexuals. You as a polish society are given prosperity while others non-Polish are not. Would you keep your mouth shut about the evil people above? That's what we have now with the Jews. If you do shut your mouth to keep your prosperity, you become one of them and part of the problem, no?