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Ares
3rd January 2014, 11:02 AM
If a 50-year-old male private citizen forced a 24-year-old female to have sex with him the end result would be many years in jail. In Missouri, if a 50-year-old Police Officer trades drinking and driving charges for sex, then they only have to sit in a cage for one year.

Kirsten Tate of BenSwann.com provided coverage of police officer Timothy Jones’ disgusting behavior. Jones, an officer in Country Club Hills Missouri, pulled over a 24-year-old woman of suspected drunken driving. Officer Jones then administered a sobriety test, which the woman failed.

Jones, a twenty-year veteran of the force, then offered to make the charges disappear if the woman had sex with him. He then drove the intoxicated woman to her home, where they had sex.

The young woman had left her cell phone in Officer Jones’ patrol car. By the time the cops called to return the phone, the young lady had confided in her mother what happened. The victim’s mother reported the incident to police.

How does a Police Officer get such a slight sentence in the small Missouri town of Country Club Hills? This incident begs the question, how often do cops in this area commit crimes such as this against private citizens?

Let’s remember that this man took an oath to serve and protect. On top of that he sucked up twenty years’ worth of tax payer dollars. Scum like this guy smear the names of good cops.

Not all cops are bad people, but the current system and unconstitutional laws provide an avenue for ill-hearted police officers to abuse their power and denigrate the public. Most people would agree that there is an issue with police abuse in this country. However, there are no options being championed in the mainstream that would privatize the protection industry and turn cops back into protectors, not aggressors.

The reason I started this Felony Friday series was to increase the dialogue surrounding insane laws and abusive police behavior. When individuals read about an incident like the one above an emotional reaction is triggered against the perpetrator. That is a good thing, but there also needs to be attention paid to the broken system.

Police protection should be like any other privatized service. The market was the engine that created the tremendous increase in quality of life in the last 100 years. Why are so many determined to keep those magnificent market forces out of the protection industry?

http://lionsofliberty.com/2014/01/02/felony-friday-cop-gets-one-year-for-trading-dwi-charges-for-sex/

hoarder
3rd January 2014, 11:15 AM
A year in prison might be a long time for a cop, especially when Tyrone trades not kicking his ass daily for anal sex daily.

I take issue with the last paragraph of the article which advocates privatization of police forces. When Goldman Sachs and Monsanto corporation own all the police forces and prisons, Whitey won't have a chance in hell.

Ares
3rd January 2014, 01:27 PM
A year in prison might be a long time for a cop, especially when Tyrone trades not kicking his ass daily for anal sex daily.

I take issue with the last paragraph of the article which advocates privatization of police forces. When Goldman Sachs and Monsanto corporation own all the police forces and prisons, Whitey won't have a chance in hell.

The author assumes we live in a free society. Now IF, and that's a BIG IF, we were ever to have a free society. A private protection force is more desirable than a state sanctioned public sector union with the full force of "law and protection from the law" by the state that we have now.

If a cop shoots someone, Internal Affairs can (and does) sweep a lot of it under the rug, gives the guy a paid administrative leave. Sends his ass back to work with a remark on his record after a period of time for "investigation". The police presence we have now is despicable. I view them as nothing more than armed revenue enforcement agents as that really is all they are.

Now for your goldman sacs and monsanto argument. Do you honestly believe they would be the force that they are without government protection? The FREE market wants clean organic food. The FREE market wants GMO food labeled so people can see what they are buying. Same with banking, if it wasn't for the revolving door at the SEC (you know not pressing charges or enforcing fair accounting and banking practices that you and I have to abide by) and Government (Past and present Treasury Secretary's are former Goldman bankers) bailing them out after they fucked up, they would of been bankrupt already. Instead with the help of government they force all of us to bail their asses out.... Privatize the gains, socialize the losses.

I'll stick with the free market solution of letting them fall on their own sword, but that will never happen if there is a government in place that protects them.

midnight rambler
3rd January 2014, 01:30 PM
that will never happen if there is a government in place that protects them.

Of course you're referring to corporatism aka Fascism.

Ares
3rd January 2014, 01:33 PM
Of course you're referring to corporatism aka Fascism.

Yep, but it really boils down to the root problem is government in general. If there was no monopoly of force, corporations, lobbyist, outside interferences (jews) would not be able to force an entire population to their knees and bow to some false master. If there is no government to make "law" what's there to make people obey?

ShortJohnSilver
3rd January 2014, 01:40 PM
How was it anything other than rape? You have a guy with a gun and a badge threatening you... I have to say, if it happened to my family, the cop would never serve a day in jail; because they don't jail dead people.

Hitch
3rd January 2014, 01:52 PM
How was it anything other than rape? You have a guy with a gun and a badge threatening you...

That's a great point. You can't force consent, and having a badge, gun, threatening to jail you etc. The elements of robbery are close, "force or fear". If a man points a gun at you and demands your wallet. If you give him your wallet, willingly hand it to him, you were still robbed.

I see no difference here either. This should be rape. She didn't consent to this.

Ares
3rd January 2014, 02:00 PM
How was it anything other than rape? You have a guy with a gun and a badge threatening you... I have to say, if it happened to my family, the cop would never serve a day in jail; because they don't jail dead people.

You're correct, this was rape. It would of been no different if "Officer" Jones wasn't wearing his costume and threatened this young woman with coercion into having sex with him. Save the tax payers the money, and just spend a few zinc pennies on the bullet for this scumbag.

Serpo
3rd January 2014, 02:35 PM
Power corrupts ,it always does and always will.........................

hoarder
3rd January 2014, 04:50 PM
Now for your goldman sacs and monsanto argument. Do you honestly believe they would be the force that they are without government protection? They have media protection and as long as they have that it's inevitable that they will eventually receive government protection.


The FREE market wants clean organic food. The FREE market wants GMO food labeled so people can see what they are buying.Most of the Libertarian great thinkers oppose disclosure laws as "statist". I think there is a legitimate role for government and this is one example.

I agree that 90% of the Federal government should be fired, but I don't agree with privatization of police and prisons. Privatizing police forces won't change the fact that most of them are Masons. Liberarian ideology crumbles when you look at how delicately they skirt around the issue of collusion among groups.

Ares
3rd January 2014, 05:26 PM
They have media protection and as long as they have that it's inevitable that they will eventually receive government protection.Most of the Libertarian great thinkers oppose disclosure laws as "statist". I think there is a legitimate role for government and this is one example.

I agree that 90% of the Federal government should be fired, but I don't agree with privatization of police and prisons. Privatizing police forces won't change the fact that most of them are Masons. Liberarian ideology crumbles when you look at how delicately they skirt around the issue of collusion among groups.

If you believe in government, how do you hold officers accountable? Suing the police department for monetary damages is pointless. He still keeps his job (most of the time), and the taxpayers foot the bill for his idiocy. With a private protection force, having to compete and reputations on the line will guarantee compliance. Take home security for example, it's a service that a good portion of the population uses. They're private, and compete with each other for business. In home security reputation, and innovation are keys to success. So why couldn't that work with private police? Hell the same companies offering home security could branch out into that venue and offer personal protection with cops on your own PERSONAL payroll. They'll be accountable to you as a client. You'll have other private protection companies vying for business and the type of behavior this "officer" displayed would not be tolerated in the least. If the woman who was basically raped by this "officer" called her personal protection service at the time of being pulled over, this would of been a none issue. Yeah she may of faced DUI charges, but her own personal protection service would put their reputation on the line by driving her home, and making sure she showed up for court. They would of increased her rates for being a liability to herself and others on the road way the same as auto insurance.

So with that scenario as a possible free market solution, how would a government do it better and be accountable?

The same question I asked you in another thread still remains unanswered. Who governs you better? You, or your government?

Hitch
3rd January 2014, 05:36 PM
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So with that scenario as a possible free market solution, how would a government do it better and be accountable?

The same question I asked you in another thread still remains unanswered. Who governs you better? You, or your government?

A private security could be just as corrupt as a police dept, perhaps even more. From a management level, security officers could be hired without any sort of background, psych eval, training, etc. Police Dept are not (should not) be for profit. A cop is paid a salary, period, to perform the duty and training he was hired to do...

A security co, is FOR profit. IE, a security company, left uncheck could or actually encouraging officers to take advantage of others, for their own good, is a disastrous idea.

I don't think giving private companies that responsibility is a good idea. It reminds me of the old fire departments, new York. If you paid your fire dues, you got a placard on your door. If a fire broke out, they would only fight that fire if you had the placard, ie, paid your dues. If you didn't, they would watch your house burn. Then loot it. Look that up...the history is there.

Paid security would be a racket, just like that.

Ares
3rd January 2014, 05:54 PM
A private security could be just as corrupt as a police dept, perhaps even more. From a management level, security officers could be hired without any sort of background, psych eval, training, etc. Police Dept are not (should not) be for profit. A cop is paid a salary, period, to perform the duty and training he was hired to do...

Well we both know police departments are PRIVATE for PROFIT Contractors. The Dallas (North Carolina, Not Texas) even said as such. Here's the form asking the court to dismiss Rod Class's suit because they said Police are Private Contractors and the court doesn't have jurisdiction.

http://unmasker4maine.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rod-p-d-motion-to-dismiss.pdf
http://unmasker4maine.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rod-qui-tam-quo-warranto.pdf

Right there in Black and White. You have a police department stating they are a Private Contractor not subject to the jurisdiction of the court and requesting a dismiss with prejudice.

The only problem with this private for profit police force, is that they have ZERO competition. They are accountable to no one, and the tax payers are left paying for the damages.




A security co, is FOR profit. IE, a security company, left uncheck could or actually encouraging officers to take advantage of others, for their own good, is a disastrous idea.

I don't think giving private companies that responsibility is a good idea. It reminds me of the old fire departments, new York. If you paid your fire dues, you got a placard on your door. If a fire broke out, they would only fight that fire if you had the placard, ie, paid your dues. If you didn't, they would watch your house burn. Then loot it. Look that up...the history is there.

Paid security would be a racket, just like that.

Brinks Security has been around for 100 years, they have security guards as well as offer home security protection. Why haven't they taken advantage of others? They've had plenty of time to do it. Could it be that if they were caught taking advantage of others, that another security company would come in and take business from them?

Who takes the "business" away from police when they fuck up and take advantage of others?

Hitch
3rd January 2014, 06:34 PM
Brinks Security has been around for 100 years, they have security guards as well as offer home security protection. Why haven't they taken advantage of others? They've had plenty of time to do it. Could it be that if they were caught taking advantage of others, that another security company would come in and take business from them?

You can't have multiple security businesses responsible to protect the public. It just won't work. Brinks responds to Brink's customers. What if a neighboring house needs help? Brinks will not respond. Heck, brinks calls the cops and gets their help anyway.

I understand your opinion, but realistically, it won't work. Read my fire dept history example, that didn't work. You can't let certain houses burn because they didn't "pay up". Same with security and law enforcement. You can't exclude the poor folks who can't pay their dues.

horseshoe3
3rd January 2014, 07:47 PM
The FREE market wants clean organic food.

Wrong. The free market wants CHEAP food. They like to talk about organic food, but poison is fine as long as it's cheap.

Cebu_4_2
3rd January 2014, 08:05 PM
Sorry guys late to the parade but this guy if he does get a year it will never be in prison. Just a local jail. Prob released for good behavior too, mattering on his attorney might even be parole, then again we will never hear the outcome of which he was dismissed.

hoarder
3rd January 2014, 08:07 PM
If you believe in government, how do you hold officers accountable? Suing the police department for monetary damages is pointless. He still keeps his job (most of the time), and the taxpayers foot the bill for his idiocy. With a private protection force, having to compete and reputations on the line will guarantee compliance. Take home security for example, it's a service that a good portion of the population uses. They're private, and compete with each other for business. In home security reputation, and innovation are keys to success. So why couldn't that work with private police? Hell the same companies offering home security could branch out into that venue and offer personal protection with cops on your own PERSONAL payroll. They'll be accountable to you as a client. You'll have other private protection companies vying for business and the type of behavior this "officer" displayed would not be tolerated in the least. If the woman who was basically raped by this "officer" called her personal protection service at the time of being pulled over, this would of been a none issue. Yeah she may of faced DUI charges, but her own personal protection service would put their reputation on the line by driving her home, and making sure she showed up for court. They would of increased her rates for being a liability to herself and others on the road way the same as auto insurance.

So with that scenario as a possible free market solution, how would a government do it better and be accountable?

The same question I asked you in another thread still remains unanswered. Who governs you better? You, or your government?Everything that's wrong with police is the way it is because the mass media's owners want it that way. The government is big and powerful because the mass media's owners want it that way.
If you owned the mass media, you could change all that.

Ares
3rd January 2014, 09:49 PM
You can't have multiple security businesses responsible to protect the public. It just won't work. Brinks responds to Brink's customers. What if a neighboring house needs help? Brinks will not respond. Heck, brinks calls the cops and gets their help anyway.

I understand your opinion, but realistically, it won't work. Read my fire dept history example, that didn't work. You can't let certain houses burn because they didn't "pay up". Same with security and law enforcement. You can't exclude the poor folks who can't pay their dues.

Why not? :)

Playing devils advocate here. Why not have Brinks, SCI, and Iron Clad Security go into the personal protection market? You're right, Brinks will not respond to a call from someone who is not a client. Would you respond to a call from someone who isn't a paying client? The way it's done now is government forces you at the barrel of a gun to pay for those services. If not, those "services" get turned on you.

Here's a video called "Law In A Free Society". The author makes I believe a lot of good points. Granted it's all just theoretical. But it shows what I believe a viable solution to an unaccountable government monopoly on force.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCPtD16G3Q&feature=youtu.be
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmCPtD16G3Q&feature=youtu.be

Here is the follow up video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqbX9tgn7Gw&feature=youtu.be
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqbX9tgn7Gw&feature=youtu.be

The way it's presented, and how conflict resolution can be done without government shows that at least its a viable option.

iOWNme
4th January 2014, 06:23 AM
Arguing over whether we need 'Police' to protect us is the same as arguing over whether we need Santa to make Christmas happen.

Until humanity wakes up from this DELUSION, NOTHING will ever change.

There is no such thing as a 'Police Officer'. He is a human. Fancy badges do not change this. He is not exempted from human morality because of his costume. He actually IMAGINES he is something other than a human when he is wearing his 'uniform'. It DRASTICALLY alters his ability to be a human because he must not only 'follow orders' and 'do his job', but he IMAGINES he is above mortal humans. If you REFUSE to use your own morals and values set, if you throw away your own conscience, and you choose to follow the scribbles of politicians instead of your own free will, THEN YOU ARE NOT HUMAN.

If this man really did do this, he should be treated like any other violent aggressive CRIMINAL and removed from society. How he is removed is of little importance to morality and the victim.

IMAGINING that you have the right to violently dominate another human, is NEVER going to make the world a better place. Which means ALL POLICE are actively making the world WORSE EVERYDAY.

What if you were at a bar and convinced a young woman to sleep with you or you were going to call the Police on her. Would YOU be allowed to rape her and get away with it? When the Cops showed up would they say "hey she was going to drive drunk" and allow you to leave? NO. Why not? Because they IMAGINE you are something different than they are.