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Libertytree
3rd January 2014, 03:36 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/03/sovereign-citizen-movement-rejects-govt-with-tactics-ranging-from-mischief-to/

Sovereign citizen movement rejects gov't with tactics ranging from mischief to violence



Joseph, a self-styled sovereign citizen, thinks mankind has been “hoodwinked” into bowing to governmental authority, making him one of a growing number of Americans who register their alienation from local, state and federal government with nuisance lawsuits, refusal to pay taxes and even violence in extreme cases.

“All are born into the sovereign domain of the prime creator,” Joseph, who declined to give his full name or location, told FoxNews.com in an email. “No code can ever abridge that fact, no amount of manmade thought or words on paper can ever abridge that. Today man has lost sight of himself so bad that he will blindly follow, believe or succumb to anything considered an authority outside or seemingly above himself.”


Dubbed sovereign citizens by law enforcement, the movement numbers anywhere from 80,000 to 300,000 nationwide, according to experts contacted by FoxNews.com. While many live on society's fringe and pose no immediate threat, police are being trained to be wary of sovereign citizens, knowing that they may not respect cops' authority and could be prone to violence.
“We’re five years into a major resurgence of the sovereign citizens movement and even with that, most Americans have no idea that the sovereign citizens movement exists,” said Mark Pitcavage, director of investigative research at the Anti-Defamation League. “It has this uncanny ability to fly under the radar screen.”

"This kind of ideology spreads like wildfire."- Mark Potok, Southern Poverty Law Center

The anti-government view of sovereign citizens made headlines last month when a Las Vegas couple was accused of plotting to abduct police officers at random and interrogate them in "trials" that would be videotaped and released to the public. David Brutsche, 42, and his accomplice, 68-year-old paralegal Devon Newman, never carried out their alleged plan, but the case was enough to send a chill through the law enforcement community.


Sovereign citizens have no leader, no headquarters and no secret handshake. The term is most often bestowed on them by academics, activists and law enforcement authorities, and not one embraced by so-called members.


"Sovereign citizens don’t call themselves that,” JJ MacNab, who is currently writing a book on the movement, recently blogged. "In fact, if you ask a person if she is a member of the movement, she is likely to respond that the ‘sovereign citizen’ label is an oxymoron, and that she is an individual seeking the truth."


Experts trace the movement to the 1980s, when government protesters exploited the farm crisis by selling fraudulent debt relief programs. That morphed into today's subculture, powered by so-called “paper terrorists” who clog court systems with bogus filings, refuse to pay income taxes and, on occasion, commit violent acts against law enforcement officers.


In extreme cases, sovereign citizens forgo financial schemes and become violent when confronted by cops, most recently in 2010 when Jerry and Joseph Kane, a father-and-son sovereign citizen team, fatally shot two police officers in Arkansas during a routine traffic stop. In the past decade, seven killings of law enforcement officers have been blamed on sovereign citizens.


“It becomes their personal Alamo, their stand against the illegitimate government,” said Pitcavage, who said no signs exist that the number of sovereign citizens in the United States will decrease.
Adherents of the movement believe the U.S. government creates a secret identity for each citizen at birth that controls a clandestine U.S. Treasury account totaling up to $20 million, which is used as collateral for foreign debt. And by filing enough bogus legal documents, including fake liens and false foreclosure notices, sovereign citizens believe they can game the system, ultimately eliminating personal debt or defrauding corporations.


“This is a movement that breeds con artists who form fake entities, countries and even fake Native American tribes,” Pitcavage told FoxNews.com. “They feel entitled to everything and they’re willing to bully anyone to get it.”


The Southern Poverty Law Center, which released an authoritative study on the movement in 2010, estimated that up to 300,000 U.S. citizens consider themselves sovereign citizens, with about 100,000 being seriously involved in its techniques. Since that time, the movement has seen an uptick in Canada and amongst African-Americans, while a growing number of sovereign citizens have also moved into foreclosed homes across the country, notably in California, Florida and Georgia, according to Mark Potok, senior fellow at the Center.


“The reason that this particular segment of the movement has grown so rapidly it because it essentially promises them something for nothing,” Potok told FoxNews.com. “I think that’s a big piece of it — simple greed mixed with a healthy dose of conspiracy theory with no basis in reality.”


Potok said previous incarnations of the movement include the Montana Freemen, or so-called “organic citizens” who believed they’re outside the jurisdiction of federal and state laws. And while figures are difficult to confirm, Potok said anecdotal evidence shows that the sovereign citizens movement has continued to grow in recent years thanks to the faltering economy and growing feelings amongst Americans that big government is a threat.


“This kind of ideology spreads like wildfire,” Potok said. “It’s very much spread around the country and the fact that it’s in Canada suggests that even national borders won’t contain it … And this used to a white phenomenon, you couldn’t be a sovereign citizen early on if you weren’t white. But that part of the ideology has been forgotten.”
FBI officials, meanwhile, characterize sovereign citizens on a wide spectrum, some dismissed as mere nuisances while others are accused of specializing in financial scams or impersonating law enforcement officers. The domestic terrorist movement has also had some high-profile followers, including Terry Nichols, who assisted Timothy McVeigh in planning the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995 that killed 168 people.


"The FBI is not in a position to comment on numbers, but any time we receive information that an individual or group of individuals has, or intends to, violate federal law through use of force or violence for the purpose of furthering an ideological cause, the FBI will aggressively pursue that investigation," FBI officials said in a statement to FoxNews.com.
MacNab has called for additional training for cops across the country to identify this growing population segment, which she claims can include anyone: black, white, urban, rural, young and old, conservative and liberal.


Historical hotspots have included pockets of Missouri, Ohio and Michigan, as well as central Florida, but now a “fair amount” of sovereign citizens can be found in every state, Pitcavage said.
“This movement has been in a state of growth for several years now and we have not seen any signs of it slowing,” he told FoxNews.com. “And that could mean more people killed, more standoffs, more paper terrorism.”

Serpo
3rd January 2014, 03:44 PM
There are people (so Ive heard) not that far from where I live that have become Freemen or Sovereigns and they dont pay rates on their properties for this reason and the council just ignores them and cannot do anything about it.

midnight rambler
3rd January 2014, 03:47 PM
“This is a movement that breeds con artists who form fake entities..."

And yet the Communist Kenyan not only gets a pass, but has a fawning press as well that will never say an unkind word about him. Gawd how I love irony.

Hitch
3rd January 2014, 04:01 PM
Typical media fox news BS. Propaganda and definitely pushing an agenda.

Interesting how they accuse sovereign citizens of being white only and using "techniques". You know, I went through a 7 month police academy and not once were sovereign citizens even brought up....I didn't know about it, until trying to learn about the truth and our corrupt system, from folks here and the old site.

Jewboo
3rd January 2014, 04:06 PM
...now a “fair amount” of sovereign citizens can be found in every state, Pitcavage said.




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:rolleyes: "Sovereign Citizens" leaching off Public Library wireless before their next Court appearance

Hypertiger
3rd January 2014, 04:21 PM
Yes just think positive ignore negative...Until it becomes impossible to ignore negative...Then there will be a fight to the finish between two lies that that are trying to become Truth by taking more power than they give from each other.

Like the Thunderdome...Two lies enter...One lie leaves.

The best way to exist is invisibly...As soon as you become visible...You are begging for annihilation...

Ares
3rd January 2014, 05:26 PM
This is a movement that breeds con artists who form fake entities, countries and even fake Native American tribes,” Pitcavage told FoxNews.com. “They feel entitled to everything and they’re willing to bully anyone to get it."

LMAO HA HA HA HA HA This is hilarious. This is the reality of what he said.

This is a GOVERNMENT that breeds con artists who form fake entities, countries and even fake Native American tribes,” Pitcavage told FoxNews.com. “They feel entitled to everything and they’re willing to bully anyone to get it."

Change Movement, to Government and the sentence doesn't even change. It's an ideological battle. Those who want to be left alone, and those who won't leave them alone.

He's right, there will be standoff's and yes even deaths because the state doesn't recognize it's proper role. Staying the fuck out of peoples lives.

Libertytree
3rd January 2014, 05:38 PM
Exactly my thoughts Ares!

palani
3rd January 2014, 07:11 PM
Anyone ever accuse you of being a sovereign citizen just respond that you are levant et couchant. Let 'em figure it out from there.

Serpo
3rd January 2014, 07:20 PM
https://lh3.ggpht.com/_mBv5YKdJXlQ/S_HkyZ4vnHI/AAAAAAAADjo/cZyeLLg1Qeo/s1600/IMG_3690.jpg

http://www.colinmulvany.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/laptop_homeless2.jpg

https://lh3.ggpht.com/_UeuaziTfv8Q/TLObIqOM8fI/AAAAAAAAACU/ZVHVzUp4krE/s1600/homeless_laptop.jpg

:rolleyes: "Sovereign Citizens" leaching off Public Library wireless before their next Court appearance



Everyone should be a devoted capitalist , eh Note Book is that what you are saying and believe.

Hitch
3rd January 2014, 07:20 PM
just respond that you are levant et couchant..

I hope that doesn't mean ' living on a couch.'

Serpo
3rd January 2014, 07:21 PM
LMAO HA HA HA HA HA This is hilarious. This is the reality of what he said.

This is a GOVERNMENT that breeds con artists who form fake entities, countries and even fake Native American tribes,” Pitcavage told FoxNews.com. “They feel entitled to everything and they’re willing to bully anyone to get it."

Change Movement, to Government and the sentence doesn't even change. It's an ideological battle. Those who want to be left alone, and those who won't leave them alone.

He's right, there will be standoff's and yes even deaths because the state doesn't recognize it's proper role. Staying the fuck out of peoples lives.

The government is so twisted its not funny..............they are really a MAFIOSO with out a doubt

Serpo
3rd January 2014, 07:25 PM
I hope that doesn't mean ' living on a couch.'


LEVANT ET COUCHANT. This French phrase, which ought perhaps more properly to be couchant et levant, signifies literally rising and lying down. In law, it denotes that space of time which cattle have been on the land in which they have had time to lie down and rise again, which, in general, is held to be one night at least. 3 Bl. Com. 9; Dane's Ab. Index, h. t; 2 Lilly's Ab. 167; Wood's Inst. 190; 2 Bouv. Inst. n. 1641.


fascinating palani fascinating.......???????

palani
3rd January 2014, 07:47 PM
fascinating palani fascinating.......???????

I suggested you let THEM figure it out. Why would you desire to undertake this task yourself?

Serpo
3rd January 2014, 07:49 PM
I suggested you let THEM figure it out. Why would you desire to undertake this task yourself?

Them ,what about me........mmmmmmoooooooooo

Hitch
3rd January 2014, 07:52 PM
I suggested you let THEM figure it out. Why would you desire to undertake this task yourself?

It really sounds like living on a couch. If you occupy that couch for one night, you take that space and time, on that couch, for at least one night, you satisfy the definition of levant et couch.

palani
3rd January 2014, 07:57 PM
Levant is 'from the east' as in the sunrise.

Couchant is to lay down like a dog pointing a pheasant (or a cow bedding down on a neighbors pasture).

The origin is French ... therefore the term has entered English common law courtesy of William the Conqueror.

In common law it indicates the period of time required to establish a trespass (as applied to cows).

Perhaps as it applies to men it establishes the amount of time in which rights are established ... Possession is, as it were, the position of the foot. 3 Co. 42

horseshoe3
3rd January 2014, 08:15 PM
I actually thought the article was encouraging. 300,000 and no sign of slowing down. That's 1 in 1000. More than I would have thought.

Hypertiger
4th January 2014, 03:08 AM
It will all end in tears...Because the so called sovereigns (Divine right of monarchs or Lords) depend upon others to supply their demands...

You want to be left alone by the absolute capitalist system but at the same time you demand supply from the absolute capitalist system...Which ultimately attracts the annihilators.

Hatha Sunahara
4th January 2014, 09:43 AM
Has anyone read Michael Badnarik's book Good to Be King? Or watched any of his YT videos? He teaches people about the Constitution and the mindset of the Founding Fathers of America. According to him, all the People of America are the sovereigns (without subjects) and the government is our servant. What kind of servant tells his master that he has no rights? Only a servant who knows his master is asleep.



Hatha

palani
4th January 2014, 10:49 AM
What kind of servant tells his master that he has no rights? Only a servant who knows his master is asleep. Hatha

Read all those stories of ancient Rome and you will get the impression that Caesar was top dog. This cannot be further from the truth. The emperor was top man and Caesar was a wanna be emperor. This suited the emperor just fine because he didn't want to be poisoned or stuck with a shiv. Let Caesar do all the hard work and he could get the blame as well.

Do you see the analogy here? The people are sovereign but really don't want the responsibility of making unpopular decisions so they appoint a 'front' man to take the heat.

Hatha Sunahara
4th January 2014, 06:08 PM
Palani--the first Emperor of Rome was Caesar Augustus who assumed his office in 27 BC--27 years after Julius Caesar was murdered on the Senate floor. Prior to Augustus, Rome was a Republic. The 'cabal' that murdered Caesar was a makeshift plot, and not an entrenched 'shadow' organization. After Rome became an Empire, the Emperors had absolute power, and were tyrants. Modern America shifted slowly from a Republic to an Empire driven by the agenda of the Bankster cabal who are pursuing a multigenerational plan for world domination. What you say about Rome is a projection of our current situation in America where the President is a front man for the Bankster cabal, and the people still believe they live in a republic with a functional constitution, and that there are two political parties that have integrity. This, despite all the evidence to the contrary. I doubt that the people of Rome were as dumb as modern Americans because they had no TV. Here, today, the Emperor, aka POTUS, does all the work of manipulating popular perceptions, and takes the blame when he fails. His job is to protect the bankster cabal from the law, and to allow them to loot the entire world while he covers for them.

Here the people have given up their sovereignty by refusing to take responsibility for the misdeeds and corruptions of their politicians. The worst lapse was allowing the politicians to pass the Federal Reserve act, and to fraudulently implement the 16th amendment to the Constitution. That lapse was the final conversion of free people into slaves. It was preceded by the passage of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which made all free people 'citizens' thus reducing them to the level of the slaves who were 'emancipated' during the Civil War. Citizens are subjects--not sovereigns. Most people have no idea what the word sovereignty means. They are more interested in privileges, entitlements, and protections than in responsibility and self sufficiency. Sovereigns have no place in a collectivist regime, which we all live in now.


Hatha

Neuro
4th January 2014, 06:22 PM
Mark Potok? Isn't that our old 'friend' Percival?

palani
4th January 2014, 07:40 PM
Here the people have given up their sovereignty by refusing to take responsibility for the misdeeds and corruptions of their politicians.


In the field of law, the term undisclosed principal relates to agency law. An undisclosed principal is a person who uses an agent for his/her/its negotiations with a third party, often when the agent pretends to be acting for himself/herself. As a result, the third party does not know he/she can look to the real principal in any dispute.[1] Under the Restatement Third of Agency 2.06, undisclosed principals may still be held liable to third parties.

para 1.01, "Agency is the fiduciary relationship that arises when one person (a 'principal') manifests assent to another person (an 'agent') that the agent shall act on the principal's behalf and subject to the principal's control, and the agent manifests or otherwise consents so to act."

Your voter registration is your consent to be represented by your agent. My voter registration has been long rescinded nunc pro tunc. In addition I have provided adequate legal notice to anyone who chooses to be a part of my government that they must provide a copy of their oath and bond before I will consider them for any office. Seems nobody really wanted to take me up on this very generous offer on my part so I must disclaim being represented by any con man presently occupying a vacant office.