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Ares
3rd January 2014, 10:12 PM
It was the winter of 1939, only a few months earlier the Soviet Union and Hitler's Third Reich had signed a partially secret accord known as the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact; essentially a non-aggression treaty which divided Europe down the middle between the fascists and the communists. Hitler would take the West, and Stalin would take the East. Stalin's war machine had already steamrolled into Latvia. Lithuania, and Estonia. The soviets used unprecedented social and political purges, rigged elections, and genocide, while the rest of the world was distracted by the Nazi blitzkrieg in Poland. In the midst of this mechanized power grab was the relatively tiny nation of Finland, which had been apportioned to the communists.

Apologists for Stalinist history (propagandists) have attempted to argue that the subsequent attack on Finland was merely about “border territories” which the communists claimed were stolen by the Finns when they seceded from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution. The assertion that the soviets were not seeking total dominance of the Finns is a common one. However, given the vicious criminal behavior of Russia in nearby pacified regions, and their posture towards Finland, it is safe to assume their intentions were similar. The Finns knew what they had to look forward to if they fell victim to the iron hand of Stalin, and the soviet propensity for subjugation was already legendary.

The Russian military was vastly superior to Finland's in every way a common tactician would deem important. They had far greater numbers, far better logistical capability, far better technology, etc, etc. Over 1 million troops, thousands of planes, thousands of tanks, versus Finland's 32 antiquated tanks, 114 planes which were virtually useless against more modern weapons, and 340,000 men, most of whom were reservists rallied from surrounding farmlands. Finland had little to no logistical support from the West until the conflict was almost over, though FDR would later pay lip service to the event, “condemning” soviet actions while brokering deals with them behind the scenes. Russian military leadership boasted that the Finns would run at the sound of harsh words, let alone gun fire. The invasion would be a cakewalk.

The battle that followed would later be known as the “Winter War”; an unmitigated embarrassment for the Soviets, and a perfect example of a small but courageous indigenous guerrilla army repelling a technologically advanced foe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMa3w8L92Xs&feature=player_embedded
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMa3w8L92Xs&feature=player_embedded

To Fight, Or Pretend To Fight?

Fast forward about seven decades or so, and you will discover multiple countries around the globe, including the U.S., on the verge of the same centralized and collectivized socialist occupation that the Finnish faced in 1939. The only difference is that while their invasion came from without, our invasion arose from within. The specific methods may have changed, but the underlying face of tyranny remains the same.

In America, the only existing organization of people with the slightest chance of disrupting and defeating the march towards totalitarianism is what we often refer to as the “Liberty Movement”; a large collection of activist and survival groups tied together by the inexorable principles of freedom, natural law, and constitutionalism. The size of this movement is difficult to gauge, but its social and political presence is now too large to be ignored. We are prevalent enough to present a threat, and prevalent enough to be attacked, and that is all that matters. That said, though we are beginning to understand the truly vital nature of our role in America's path, and find solidarity in the inherent values of liberty that support our core, when it comes to solutions to the dilemma of globalization and elitism, we are sharply divided.

While most activist movements suffer from a complete lack of solutions to the problems they claim to recognize, constitutional conservatives tend to have TOO MANY conceptual solutions to the ailments of the world. Many of these solutions rely upon unrealistic assumptions and methods that avoid certain inevitable outcomes. Such strategies center mostly on the concepts of “non-aggression” or pacifism idealized and romanticized by proponents of Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr, and the anti-war movements of the 1960's and 1970's. The post-baby boomer generations in particular have grown up with an incessant bombardment of the “higher nature” of non-violence as a cure-all for every conceivable cultural ailment.

We have been taught since childhood that fighting solves nothing, but is this really true?

I can understand the allure of the philosophy. After all, physical confrontation is mentally and emotionally terrifying to anyone who is not used to experiencing it. The average “reasonable” person goes far out of their way on every occasion to avoid it. Most of the activists that I have met personally who deride the use of force against tyrannical government have never actually been in an outright confrontation of any kind in their lives, or if they have, it ended in a failure that scarred them. They have never trained for the eventuality. Many of them have never owned a firearm. The focus of their existence has been to hide from pain, rather than overcome their fears to achieve something greater.

There is nothing necessarily wrong with becoming an “intellectual warrior”, unless that person lives under the fantasy that this alone will be enough to defeat the kind of evil we face today.

Non-aggression methods rely on very specific circumstances in order to be effective. Most of all, they rely on a system of government that is forced to at least PRETEND as if it cares what the masses think of it. Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, for example, only witnessed noticeable success because the British government at that time was required to present a semblance of dignity and rule of law. But what happens if a particular tyranny reaches a point where the facade of benevolence disappears? What happens when the establishment turns to the use of the purge as a tool for consolidation? What happens when the mask comes completely off?

How many logical arguments or digital stashes of ethereal Bitcoins will it take to save one's life or one's freedom then?

Arguments For And Against Violent Action

The position against the use of “violence” (or self defense) to obstruct corrupt systems depends on three basic debate points:

1) Violence only feeds the system and makes it stronger.

2) We need a “majority” movement in order to be successful.

3) The system is too technologically powerful – to fight it through force of arms is “futile”, and our chances are slim to none.

First, violence does indeed feed the system, if it is driven by mindless retribution rather than strategic self defense. This is why despotic governments often resort to false flag events; the engineering of terrorist actions blamed on scapegoats creates fear within the unaware portions of the population, which generates public support for further erosion of freedoms. However, there is such a thing as diminishing returns when it comes to the “reach, teach, and inspire” method.

The escalation of totalitarianism will eventually overtake the speed at which the movement can awaken the masses, if it has not done so already. There will come a time, probably sooner rather than later, when outreach will no longer be effective, and self defense will have to take precedence, even if that means subsections of the public will be shocked and disturbed by it. The sad fact is, the faster we wake people up, the faster the establishment will degrade social stability and destroy constitutional liberties. A physical fight is inevitable exactly because they MAKE it inevitable. Worrying about staying in the good graces of the general populace or getting honest representatives elected is, at a certain point, meaningless. I find it rather foolish to presume that Americans over the next decade or two or three have the time needed to somehow inoculate the system from within. In fact, I'm starting to doubt that strategy has any merit whatsoever.

Second, the idea that a movement needs a “majority” of public backing to shift the path of a society is an old wives tale. Ultimately, most people throughout history are nothing more than spectators in life, watching from the sidelines while smaller, ideologically dedicated groups battle for superiority. Global developments are decided by true believers; never by ineffectual gawkers. Some of these groups are honorable, and some of them are not so honorable. Almost all of them have been in the minority, yet they wield the power to change the destiny of the whole of the nation because most people do not participate in their own futures. They merely place their heads between their legs and wait for the storm to pass.

All revolutions begin in the minds and hearts of so-called “outsiders”. To expect any different is to deny the past, and to assume that a majority is needed to achieve change is to deny reality.

Third, I'm not sure why non-aggression champions see the argument of statistical chance as relevant. When all is said and done, the “odds” of success in any fight against oligarchy DO NOT MATTER. Either you fight, or you are enslaved. The question of victory is an afterthought.

Technological advantage, superior numbers, advanced training, all of these things pale in comparison to force of will, as the Finnish proved during the Winter War. Some battles during that conflict consisted of less than a hundred Finns versus tens-of-thousands of soviets. Yet, at the end of the war, the Russians lost 3500 tanks, 500 aircraft, and had sustained over 125,000 dead (official numbers). The Finns lost 25,000 men. For every dead Finn, the soviets lost at least five. This is the cold hard reality behind guerrilla and attrition warfare, and such tactics are not to be taken lightly.

Do we go to the Finnish and tell them that standing against a larger, more well armed foe is “futile”? Do we tell them that their knives and bolt action rifles are no match for tanks and fighter planes? And by extension, do we go to East Asia today and tell the Taliban that their 30 year old AK-47's are no match for predator drones and cruise missiles? Obviously, victory in war is not as simple as having the biggest gun and only the uneducated believe otherwise.

The Virtues Of Violence

The word “violence” comes with numerous negative connotations. I believe this is due to the fact that in most cases violence is used by the worst of men to get what they want from the weak. Meeting violence with violence, though, is often the only way to stop such abuses from continuing.

At Alt-Market, we tend to discuss measures of non-participation (not non-aggression) because all resistance requires self-sustainability. Americans cannot fight the criminal establishment if they rely on the criminal establishment. Independence is more about providing one's own necessities than it is about pulling a trigger. But, we have no illusions about what it will take to keep the independence that we build. This is where many conceptual solutions are severely lacking.

If the system refuses to let you walk away, what do you do? If the tyrants would rather make the public suffer than admit that your social or economic methodology is better for all, how do you remove them? When faced with a cabal of psychopaths with deluded aspirations of godhood, what amount of reason will convince them to step down from their thrones?

I'm sorry to say, but these questions are only answered with violence.

The Liberty Movement doesn't need to agree on the “usefulness” of physical action because it is coming regardless. The only things left to discern are when and how. Make no mistake, one day each and every one of us will be faced with a choice – to fight, or to throw our hands in the air and pray they don't shoot us anyway. I certainly can't speak for the rest of the movement, but in my opinion only those who truly believe in liberty will stand with rifle in hand when that time comes. A freedom fighter is measured by how much of himself he is willing to sacrifice, and how much of his humanity he holds onto in the process. Fear, death, discomfort; none of this matters. There is no conundrum. There is no uncertainty. There are only the chains of self-defeat, or the determination of the gun. The sooner we all embrace this simple fact, the sooner we can move on and deal with the dark problem before us.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-03/guest-post-violence-face-tyranny-often-necessary

Hypertiger
4th January 2014, 12:24 AM
socialist occupation?

Sticking a gun to someone's head and demanding them to supply what you want...Is not socialist...It is antisocialist.

Hatha Sunahara
4th January 2014, 10:09 AM
"We have been taught since childhood that fighting solves nothing, but is this really true?

I can understand the allure of the philosophy. After all, physical confrontation is mentally and emotionally terrifying to anyone who is not used to experiencing it. The average “reasonable” person goes far out of their way on every occasion to avoid it. Most of the activists that I have met personally who deride the use of force against tyrannical government have never actually been in an outright confrontation of any kind in their lives, or if they have, it ended in a failure that scarred them. They have never trained for the eventuality. Many of them have never owned a firearm. The focus of their existence has been to hide from pain, rather than overcome their fears to achieve something greater.

There is nothing necessarily wrong with becoming an “intellectual warrior”, unless that person lives under the fantasy that this alone will be enough to defeat the kind of evil we face today.

Non-aggression methods rely on very specific circumstances in order to be effective. Most of all, they rely on a system of government that is forced to at least PRETEND as if it cares what the masses think of it. Gandhi's Indian Independence Movement, for example, only witnessed noticeable success because the British government at that time was required to present a semblance of dignity and rule of law. But what happens if a particular tyranny reaches a point where the facade of benevolence disappears? What happens when the establishment turns to the use of the purge as a tool for consolidation? What happens when the mask comes completely off?"

The nature of war has changed radically since the 1940s. The psychological content of it has grown immensely, and the violence part is enhanced and intensified by technology. It is no more difficult to kill millions of poeple than it is to kill just one. One thing however has not changed about war. It is still the suspension of the 'rule of law'. There are no rules in love and war. Tyrants declare war to remove the shackles of law on them. 911 allowed them to declare the Global War on Terror. This is a completely different war than all previous wars. This is a tyrant's war. It is a call to arms for the psychopaths among us. Waging a guerilla war against the psychopaths in charge will not work. The psychopaths control all the resources. If you confront them, they will kill you. If they consider you dangerous, they will kill you. It doesn't matter who you are or where you live. It is a global war. If you oppose them, you are a terrorist. They have covered all the bases. You cannot fight them with the tactics or strategies of the past. They control all the communications channels and the media. They know everything. If you want to get a sense of the new face of war, watch Jeremy Scahills documentary called Dirty Wars. So, how do you fight them?

They have power, but not legitimacy. You attack their legitimacy. You expose what they do. You make them universally reviled. You expose them as psychopaths. You help them to destroy themselves by depriving them of legitimacy. You reimpose the rule of law on these tyrants. You use their tactics. Very little violence. Just enough to decapitate them. That's what they do to their enemies. They destroy the leaders. The way to fight them is to destroy their leaders. Identify them and eliminate them. It has become a gigantic game of Stratego.


Hstha

iOWNme
4th January 2014, 10:21 AM
One of the best talks about this subject that has ever been given IMO....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXQw5FDcZco

"This is for all those people in the freedom movement who shy away from discussing the topic of actual "illegal" disobedience and forcible resistance against state aggression."

Ponce
4th January 2014, 12:48 PM
The US Constitution gives you the right to fight all enemies.......foreign or DOMESTIC.

V

Hatha Sunahara
4th January 2014, 03:56 PM
Self ownership means taking responsibility for what you do. So does freedom. For most people, authority is synonymous with 'order'. If there is no authority, there is no order. Law is synonymous with 'order'. Politicians campaign on 'law and order' because they know everyone fears and hates 'disorder'.

Our public schools and mass media teach us that authority is something that comes from outside ourselves--it comes from society. This is the heart of 'collectivism'. Collectivism means that society takes responsibility, and individuals do not. That is why there is no self-ownership or freedom in collectivist political regimes. There is only law and order, obedience and conformity and 'authority takes responsibility'. Anyone who deviates from this model is regarded as a terrorist.

We feed this model with our behavior. Larken Rose is trying to keep us from feeding this collectivist structure and process. He is urging us to take responsibility and to be free. I don't think he has a good handle on the link in thr collective mind between order and authority. He seems perpetually vexed about why people behave as they do. It's because they value order (authority) and they shun responsibility (freedom).

Responsibility in the popular conception means that you can be punished for doing things the 'authorities' disapprove of. The authorities have a monopoly on responsibility. If you as an individual take responsibility for anything, you are usurping their power, and they will punish you for it. In other words, it is not allowed for you to be 'free'. Only authority is free to do as it wishes. You live in a collectivist regime, so you are a slave. And you must behave like a slave, or you will be punished.

Is that clear?


Hatha

EE_
4th January 2014, 04:07 PM
I think Larkin is saying, at any time, anyone that uses the threat of violence/harm or death, to force their will upon you...you should kill them.

7th trump
4th January 2014, 04:11 PM
One of the best talks about this subject that has ever been given IMO....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXQw5FDcZco

"This is for all those people in the freedom movement who shy away from discussing the topic of actual "illegal" disobedience and forcible resistance against state aggression."

Would you stop posting narcissist video's of yourself.
"Best talk" huh?
You are lost in the law Sui....you have the power and yet don't use it to stop funneling money to the "bad guys" to use against yourselves.

You're upset that you went to prison for believing in your own foolish scribbles.

Nothing to see hear.....just a fat guy on stage saying something we already know.
For a young guy hes over weight, out of shape and certainly on his way to double chinned jawls.

He'll gain his notoriety and then fade away as they all do when they get their pockets filled.

EE_
4th January 2014, 04:43 PM
Would you stop posting narcissist video's of yourself.
"Best talk" huh?
You are lost in the law Sui....you have the power and yet don't use it to stop funneling money to the "bad guys" to use against yourselves.

You're upset that you went to prison for believing in your own foolish scribbles.

Nothing to see hear.....just a fat guy on stage saying something we already know.
For a young guy hes over weight, out of shape and certainly on his way to double chinned jawls.

He'll gain his notoriety and then fade away as they all do when they get their pockets filled.

I'm no fan of this fat bodied ginger either. Just another guy that found his bag to take to market.
We all know we are the boss of us. The only reason we comply to a greater force, is not to disturb, or end our comfortable lives.
If there's anything to take away from what he says, as things get worse in this county, it's hopefully, people will be quicker to stand up and put their lives up against the lives of the oppressors. Send as many to hell with your life, as you can.

Jewboo
4th January 2014, 09:09 PM
One of the best talks about this subject that has ever been given IMO....



That's all he does...talk. Let us know when he actually shoots a cop or judge or banker or senator.







:rolleyes:

Twisted Titan
4th January 2014, 09:14 PM
The Finnish War

Led to the birth of Simo Hiya


Greatest sniper in the history of the world and proof postive to the what one man can do when commited to preserving their life and liberty

iOWNme
5th January 2014, 04:54 AM
The US Constitution gives you the right to fight all enemies.......foreign or DOMESTIC.

V

NO IT DIDNT.

It PRETENDED to PROTECT your Right to self defense. But obviously scribbles on paper wont protect you from a GANG of violent aggressors.

Shami-Amourae
5th January 2014, 05:05 AM
That's all he does...talk. Let us know when he actually shoots a cop or judge or banker or senator.

:rolleyes:

Good people don't go out and assassinate bad people. Only bad people assassinate good people.

iOWNme
5th January 2014, 05:06 AM
Would you stop posting narcissist video's of yourself.
"Best talk" huh?

Is this all you have? EVERY post you make is an ad-hominen attack. You have no intellectual acumen to debate any FACTS, you must rely on tactics used by people who KNOW they cannot win on logic and reason, so they resort to name calling. Can you rebut ANYTHING Larken presented in this video? This means you must pick an idea or topic he spoke about and show us all using logic evidence and reason how his position is wrong. You probably didnt even watch it, because you most likely would AGREE with everything he said!


You are lost in the law Sui....you have the power and yet don't use it to stop funneling money to the "bad guys" to use against yourselves.

Im lost? Will i find my way if i study the scribbles of child molesters (sometimes called 'Politicians') and lobotomized monkeys? (sometimes called 'Attorners')



You're upset that you went to prison for believing in your own foolish scribbles.

Its 100% obvious to ANY critically thinking individual that I am not Larken Rose. So i can fully undserstand why YOU would think I am.


Nothing to see hear.....just a fat guy on stage saying something we already know.
For a young guy hes over weight, out of shape and certainly on his way to double chinned jawls.

More ad-hominem attacks and character assassination? YOU HAVE LOST THIS DISCUSSION.



He'll gain his notoriety and then fade away as they all do when they get their pockets filled.


Dude he writes books and sells them for $10. Isnt he allowed to do that in this country? Are you some fucking Commie?

7th - Why dont you debate me live about this subject? I keep challenging you and you keep running away, only to come back like a keyboard warrior to spew your mindless garbage. Why wont you debate me live? Is it because i am skinny and balding?

iOWNme
5th January 2014, 05:35 AM
Self ownership means taking responsibility for what you do. So does freedom. For most people, authority is synonymous with 'order'. If there is no authority, there is no order. Law is synonymous with 'order'. Politicians campaign on 'law and order' because they know everyone fears and hates 'disorder'.

When the Mob comes into a town and offers the citizens 'Law and Order' why do you think they obey? Is it out of fear or is it that they honestly feel a moral obligation to listen to the Mob? People like You and I may obey 'Authority' out of fear which is completely sane and rational. But i think your wrong when you say that most people obey out of fear. Most people obey because they literally feel a MORAL OBLIGATION to obey their 'Government'. This is the very core of what Larken speaks about. What makes the same person view the Mob as illegitimate and view 'Government' as legitimate, when their actions are 100% the exact same. What is the difference between these two scenarios from a principled standpoint?



We feed this model with our behavior. Larken Rose is trying to keep us from feeding this collectivist structure and process. He is urging us to take responsibility and to be free. I don't think he has a good handle on the link in thr collective mind between order and authority. He seems perpetually vexed about why people behave as they do. It's because they value order (authority) and they shun responsibility (freedom).

But why do they? You say Larken is vexed, but he clearly lays this out in his book 'The Most Dangerous Superstition'. They behave this way becasue they have been thoroughly trained to be obedient to 'Authority' instead of being obedient to their own free will and conscience; You know the things that make them human. They have been trained that if you are obedient to 'Authority' you are being Good, Right and Virtuous. And if they disobey 'Authority' they are being Bad, Wrong and Unethical. This also means they have been trained to believe there are 2 separate classes of humans on this planet. One class is in control of the other. If people valued 'order' they would INSTANTLY recognize 'Government' as the problem, but they dont. Why cant they see it for what it actually is? The problem is not ANYTHING or ANYONE external. The problem exists between the ears of humanity, because THAT is where real freedom lives. Children are born with a free mind because the TRUTH is simple. It is only the LIE which is convoluted and confusing which takes 20,000+ hours of propaganda and indocturnation to convince them otherwise.



Responsibility in the popular conception means that you can be punished for doing things the 'authorities' disapprove of. The authorities have a monopoly on responsibility. If you as an individual take responsibility for anything, you are usurping their power, and they will punish you for it. In other words, it is not allowed for you to be 'free'. Only authority is free to do as it wishes. You live in a collectivist regime, so you are a slave. And you must behave like a slave, or you will be punished.

Who is going to do the punishing? How come when I 'disobey' 'Government', 'Government' NEVER shows up to harm me? How come when 'Government' threatens me with violence 'Government' NEVER shows up to harm me? No matter how badly I 'disobey' the edicts of this God, this God NEVER shows up to harm me? The ONLY people that ever show up to harm me ARE MY FELLOW SLAVES, because there is no such thing as 'Government'. Just like ancient cultures who were dominated by Religion, the heretics were ALWAYS threatened with violence from their Gods, but the Gods NEVER actually showed up to harm them, it was their fellow slaves who did the bidding of the 'God'.

iOWNme
5th January 2014, 05:43 AM
I'm no fan of this fat bodied ginger either. Just another guy that found his bag to take to market.

More ad-hominem attacks and character assassinations? Now i understand why you blame the 'Jews' for everything. You seem to focus on peoples names, religions, weight, hair color, etc. But you dont seem to have a single moral principle on which you stand on when judging Right and Wrong or Human Morality.


The only reason we comply to a greater force, is not to disturb, or end our comfortable lives.

So if the Bloods and Crips sent you a letter tomorrow demanding money under threats of violence, you would INSTANTLY comply our of fear for your own life? Or would you recognize their threats as illegitimate and resist them? If you would resist the, what is the difference here?

iOWNme
5th January 2014, 05:46 AM
That's all he does...talk. Let us know when he actually shoots a cop or judge or banker or senator.







:rolleyes:


Your right, all he does is talk. Because in order for humanity to be pushed forward we are going to have to actually TALK about stuff. It is PAINFULLY obvious that humanity keeps using revolution and violence to try and solve problems. VIOLENCE can only ever solve the symptom of the problem, but not the problem itself. And when someone like Larken tries to actually get to the core of the problem, STATISTS like you attempt to shun him in some type of bad light, because what he says SCARES THE ABSOLUTE SHIT OUT OF YOU. Namely taking on the responsibility of being a human, something you are DEATHLY afraid of.

Why would he do that? Killing Cops, Judges, Bankers or Senators IS NEVER GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM. The problem with the world exists inside peoples heads. How is killing someone EVER going to fix that?

Larken addresses this exact thing you say in this video. In his scenario there is an axe murderer who has broken into your home. There is a problem and a symptom here:

Problem - There are people who IMAGINE it is ok to initiate violence against you.
Symptom - There is a man in your home with an axe trying to kill you.

In this situation you cannot try and talk to the guy to try and convince him of morals and Right and Wrong. The ONLY thing that will stop him is the use of DEFENSIVE FORCE. Now, using defensive force does not actually solve the problem of WHY the guy thinks its ok to try and kill you with an axe, but it DOES solve the SYMPTOM of the problem: Using defensive force will stop the man from attacking you.

Can you set down your crayons and picture books for an hour and watch this video? After you watch it, can you attempt to coherently put together some rebuttals to his points so we can have an intellectual conversation about this topic?

Or better yet, why dont you debate me live about this subject? Dont worry, i know you dont have the balls or even the intellect to accept this challenge.

Hypertiger
5th January 2014, 07:04 AM
Tyrant demands yes...you supply no to that demand...that is violence...non violence is yes.

Clubber demands Yes...You supply no...That is not what baby seals are supposed to do.

Supplying a negative to a demand for positive is wrong according to the current system.

Persuasion...force...annihilation.

Please supply what is wanted or else be annihilated.

You are either with the positives or you are with the negatives.

The optimists or the pessimists.

Of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

7th trump
5th January 2014, 08:34 AM
7th - Why dont you debate me live about this subject? I keep challenging you and you keep running away, only to come back like a keyboard warrior to spew your mindless garbage. Why wont you debate me live? Is it because i am skinny and balding?

What is it you want to debate?

You asked me questions before and I answered them....not my problem you didn't or wont accept the answers.
You wont stop unless I agree with you...that's all the answer you want to hear.
In many ways you are no different than the government itself.

palani
5th January 2014, 10:03 AM
You are lost in the law Sui.

A phrase that is indecipherable and overused. Evidently anyone who posts something that Agent 7th_trump cannot understand is 'lost in the law'.

7th trump
5th January 2014, 10:11 AM
A phrase that is indecipherable and overused. Evidently anyone who posts something that Agent 7th_trump cannot understand is 'lost in the law'.

You havent won an argument yet palani....that's why you close your threads.

Well palani, you're a perfect example, if you don't read the law to understand it....how can you NOT be lost?
You post stupid shit about this lawful money and 12usc 411 when theres nothing in title 26 about 12usc 411 or mention of lawful money....that's a perfect example of stupidity of being lost in the law.
You'll believe a conspiracy before any truth.


Lets debate "the federal income tax" on a seperate thread palani and get this over and done with.
Lets see if you are not lost in the law.

Up for it palani?

palani
5th January 2014, 11:16 AM
if you don't read the law to understand it
You undoubtedly have never heard of the concept of LEX NON SCRIPTA. Unwritten law. How 'ya goin' to read a law that is unwritten?

Lets debate "the federal income tax" on a seperate thread
In contemplation of LEX NON SCRIPTA I have discovered no federal income tax to debate.

Here ...
you can check yourself

http://books.google.com/books?id=nEc0AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA344&dq=lex+non+scripta&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JbTJUurJJ6SHygGL_4HQCw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lex%20non%20scripta&f=false

7th trump
5th January 2014, 12:10 PM
You undoubtedly have never heard of the concept of LEX NON SCRIPTA. Unwritten law. How 'ya goin' to read a law that is unwritten?

In contemplation of LEX NON SCRIPTA I have discovered no federal income tax to debate.

Here ...
you can check yourself

http://books.google.com/books?id=nEc0AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA344&dq=lex+non+scripta&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JbTJUurJJ6SHygGL_4HQCw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=lex%20non%20scripta&f=false
The "federal income tax laws" and 12usc 411 are indeed written you pussy!
Nice display of cowardice palani!
Yeah I knew you would bow out. That's why I challenged you..........pathetic palani............pathetic!
You throw rocks from behind bushes and then run in fear!

Palani ...the little man behind the curtains.

Why don't you and Sui Juris both jump on a boat and anchor it in the middle of the Atlantic?
That way you both can be together in your own mystique world.
You can scream latin at the priates while Sui yells at them that they don't have any authority to rape, pillage and plunder the both of you.

palani
5th January 2014, 12:25 PM
The "federal income tax laws" and 12usc 411 are indeed written
And that simple fact makes them not a part of common law.

Your obtuseness is what makes you subservient.

7th trump
5th January 2014, 12:44 PM
And that simple fact makes them not a part of common law.

Your obtuseness is what makes you subservient.

You are such a fuck-tard palani....just where do you think the Constitutional "impost and duty" taxes are written?
yep...you guessed it...........Title 26!
Hahahaha......the internet has really made a sucker out of you.
Show me one (1) court case where someone argued the "common law" and won?
There is no court case you idiot..........they all lost!

palani
5th January 2014, 01:02 PM
There is no court case

Do your beliefs need to be reinforced by courtroom dicta?

Do you seek permission to do that which you possess by right?

Do you have the intellect of a gnat?

7th trump
5th January 2014, 01:23 PM
Do your beliefs need to be reinforced by courtroom dicta?

Do you seek permission to do that which you possess by right?

Do you have the intellect of a gnat?
I'll take a court cite in helping how the law is to be interpreted over your paranoid delusion dicta any day of the week.


Do you seek permission to do that which you possess by right?
Why are you asking me?....shouldn't you be asking mountain man what happened to him about fishing without permission.
How did that turn out for him?

Title 26 is where the tax laws are written dork!

Why don't you answer my questions palani?
Your game is....well its just that ....a game!

Hypertiger
5th January 2014, 01:28 PM
The banking system takes more power than it gives to survive...just like the trillions of cells in your body...they are both absolute capitalistic or antisocial.

When both reach the point where they demand infinite power to sustain their existence...They collapse.

The Universe is absolute capitalistic....A lie that takes more power than it gives from Truth amassing power trying to defeat Truth and become Truth to obtain absolute power over all an everything.

<--------something that supplies power to allow nothing to exist and nothing demands to become something but does not need to become something and then wants to cease to exist until all that remains is something that supplies power to allow nothing to exist and nothing demands to become something but does not need to become something and then wants to cease to exist until all that remains is something that supplies power to allow nothing to exist and nothing demands to become something but does not need to become something and then wants to cease to exist until all that remains is something that supplies power to allow nothing to exist and nothing demands to become something but does not need to become something and then wants to cease to exist until all that remains is something-------->

Something invisible supplies the demand of nothing to become visible and nothing wants to become something and this is the cause of everything.

There is never a lasting victory over lies (Nothing/antimatter) while the war against Truth (Something/matter) has no exit strategy and always ends in defeat.

why is there more matter than antimatter in the Universe.

you do not see the millions of calculations or invisible order that powers the visible chaos of the screen you all are looking at...that is drawn/created and erased/destroyed 60 times a second.

You all just think/embrace positive (lies you believe are Truth/fantasy) ignore negative (Truth/reality)

It's why vampires that take more power than they give can not see their reflections in a mirror...Too negative.

Those ignorant of Truth uses lies they believe are Truth to measure lies they believe are truth to find lies they believe are truth.

Those not ignorant of Truth use Truth to measure lies they know are Truth to search for Truth.

Those ignorant of Truth are ultimately searching for something they do not want to find.

Defeat.

They are constantly searching for victory.

palani
5th January 2014, 04:30 PM
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palani
5th January 2014, 04:36 PM
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palani
5th January 2014, 04:42 PM
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palani
5th January 2014, 04:48 PM
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palani
5th January 2014, 05:46 PM
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Hypertiger
5th January 2014, 08:18 PM
The just think/embrace positive ignore/reject negative religion has you here seeking support for or to promote your cherished delusion.

Nature employs absolute self indulgent reason = Taking more power than is given = Chopping down trees faster than they regrow to power continued existence.

Negative = Ignorance.

Positive = Knowledge.

Human beings employ responsible altruistic logic and share power as equally as possible = Chopping down trees as fast as or slower than they regrow to sustain existence.

One ends in defeat...One does not end.

Believing that negative and positive are separate = Ignorance of Truth

Knowing that negative and positive are connected = Knowledge of Truth

Animals believe negative and positive are separate since they are ignorant of Truth

Human beings know negative and positive are connected since they are knowledgeable of Truth

Animals play games with each other and everything trying to win.

Human beings do not play games with each other or anything trying to win.

Unless they choose to play a game to see which wins and is supplied with what is wanted and which loses and is supplied with what is not wanted.

Hypertiger
6th January 2014, 01:38 AM
Animals follow the path of least effort to the logical conclusion of the take more power than is given equation by default.

All that is ignorant of Truth...Black holes do as well

In the end they are annihilating each other attempting to reacquire what they never had to begin with and what they never will

Freedom from the tyranny of Truth.

At the logical conclusion (defeat) of the reasonable assumption of (victory)

You can not have your cake and eat it too and you eventually run out of Pi.

palani
6th January 2014, 07:31 AM
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