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zap
9th January 2014, 11:35 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/power-play-utilities-want-solar-users-pay-2D11887782?ocid=msnhp&pos=1

The explosive growth of solar power -- a new rooftop system was installed every four minutes in 2013 (http://www.seia.org/research-resources/solar-market-insight-report-2013-q2)-- has utility companies pushing in several states to scale back what they call unfair rate advantages that solar users have long received.
The debate centers on net metering (http://energy.gov/eere/energybasics/articles/glossary-energy-related-terms), which requires utility companies to credit customers for solar energy that they generate in excess of their own usage. The credits were part of financial incentives to invest in solar energy.

Policies for net metering, which is used in 43 states, vary from state to state, but most credits are set at the local retail price for electricity. That bothers utilities, which contend that the retail price is set too high, resulting in excessive credits to solar users. Utilities want credits set by wholesale prices, which are much lower than retail.

"The principal issue is making sure everyone is paying a fair price for what they use," said Ted Carver, CEO and chairman of Edison International, the parent company of utility Southern California Edison. "We don't care where or who we buy the power from, but it should be purchased at the wholesale price."
But some experts say the mere fact that utilities—which generate $360 billion a year in energy sales (http://www.governing.com/news/headlines/The-California-City-that-Made-Solar-Mandatory.html)—are battling with solar indicates the threat it now poses to them.
"The success of solar power is forcing utilities to rethink their business model and push for the changes," said Franc Del Fosse, an energy industry lawyer and partner at Snell & Wilmer. "If you have an individual putting solar panels on the roof, it's easy to suggest that a utility is making less money."
The effort for higher fees on solar panel users could backfire, said Alan Beale, general manager of SolarMax (http://www.solarmax.com/us/en/company/).

If the fees are too high, he said, "it will just delay ... the inevitable, and more companies and individuals will go to the independent energy producers."
According to Carver at Edison International, part of the problem is that many power users, such as apartment renters, lack access to solar energy, which creates a two-tier system that shifts higher costs to nonsolar users.
According to a policy paper from the Edison Electric Institute, (http://www.eei.org/issuesandpolicy/generation/NetMetering/Documents/Straight%20Talk%20About%20Net%20Metering.pdf) a trade association, solar users avoid paying for the system's fixed costs but still take power from the grid when they need it, such as after sunset, when solar panels aren't generating. (Most solar users don't have solar storage capacity, the paper states.)
The solar industry seems willing to accept some changes but stops at what it sees as the utilities' exorbitant price proposals.
"Solar customers give much more valuable peak power to utilities for free during the day than they get back at night," said John Berger, CEO and founder of solar energy provider Sunnova. (http://sunnova.com/solar-service/)"Utilities are like socialist monopolies.They don't provide good service or pricing."
Utility companies are having some success getting net metering rules changed.
In California, the No. 1 solar state in panels installed, lawmakers let net metering continue but directed its public utility commission to devise a new program by 2017 to ensure that nonsolar customers aren't burdened unfairly in paying for the grid.
In Arizona, regulators voted in November to allow the largest utility to tack a monthly fee of $5 onto the bill of customers with new solar installations. Arizona Public Service originally sought a $50 surcharge.
Colorado's utility commission is considering a proposal to halve credits for solar energy households. Other states, including Louisiana and Idaho, are also contemplating changes in net metering rates.
Even some solar power users see change as necessary.

"I believe there's a way of restructuring metering rules and rate structures that won't impact the solar industry for the long term," said Karin Corfee, managing director of the energy practice for consulting firm Navigant, who has solar panels on her Danville, Calif., home.
Utility firms have valid cost issues, she said, but she is concerned that big rate increases could affect solar users' ability to pay off their energy investment.
"I figure I can pay it off in seven years," Corfee said. "But if decisions are made to shift the economics of my system ... that will be difficult."
Money is at the heart of solar energy growth.
Since 2008, the price of solar panels has fallen by 75 percent (http://energy.gov/articles/clean-energy-revolution-now). The cost of installation has also declined as more contractors entered the market. Leasing options for users also fostered growth.
And Wall Street still likes solar. An estimated $13 billion was invested in such projects last year, 10 times as much as in 2007, according to GTM Research, (http://www.greentechmedia.com/research/list/category/solar)
Even as they push for net metering changes, utilities are jumping on the solar bandwagon.
"We've invested in a solar distribution firm ourselves," said Carver.
—By CNBC's Mark Koba

So don't forget to have the storage, IE, Batteries !

woodman
10th January 2014, 02:43 AM
Thanks for posting this article Zap. How much of your electric usage is solar? Are you attached to the grid at all? If not, how do you get by during times of low solar output, cloudy days, etc.?

zap
10th January 2014, 07:49 AM
Thanks for posting this article Zap. How much of your electric usage is solar? Are you attached to the grid at all? If not, how do you get by during times of low solar output, cloudy days, etc.?

100% of my power is solar, No I'm not attached to the grid, cloudy days.... it still charges, although not as much that's where the generator comes in , and its hooked up to charge the batteries and run the house at the same time.

hoarder
10th January 2014, 09:13 AM
100% of my power is solar, No I'm not attached to the grid, cloudy days.... it still charges, although not as much that's where the generator comes in , and its hooked up to charge the batteries and run the house at the same time.Same here. My solar array is small (I installed when panels were $5 a watt), only 750 watts. With snow on the panels in the winter, I have to run the generator more than most, but it still isn't over $200 a year in gasoline.

ximmy
10th January 2014, 12:50 PM
Power company greed wants every penny possible from consumers. They will start enforcing fees for customers who use alternative energy.
Their smart meters are just the beginning...

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. -- June Hahn received her Pacific Gas and Electric Co. bill three months after the company installed a SmartMeter (http://www.pge.com/smartmeter/) in her home.


http://media.fisherinteractive.com/documents/091006_pg_e_hearing_customer_275.jpg


"My bill was $2,281, and we were gone three weeks," said Hahn, who said she's continued to see a 400 percent increase in her energy bill ever since.

Marisa Banks told a similar story. Her mother went on vacation in July, but, she said, "In that month her bill was $873."
Other PG&E customers told of their frustrating experiences in trying to get answers from the utility company.

"They said that the SmartMeters don't make a mistake. They're not designed to do that," said Hahn to a laughing audience of unhappy customers.






"We have found no relationship between the implementation of the SmartMeter and the increases in customer bills," said Bill Devereaux, PG&E's senior director for the SmartMeter program.
That comment, as well, was greeted by a round of boos and disbelief from a standing-room only crowd.

http://www.bakersfieldnow.com/news/63581287.html?tab=video

...and the Florida woman was also their victim...

A woman from Cape Coral, Florida is being forced out of her home after local code enforcement teams found out she was “living off the grid.”
The women, Robin Speronis, told her story to WFTX-TV (http://www.fox4now.com/features/4inyourcorner/City-to-evict-woman-for-living-off-the-grid-235494961.html) who featured her lifestyle on the local news. The day after her story aired, where they talked about her “Off Grid” lifestyle, the City of Cape Coral sent code enforcement officers to post “notice to vacate” signs on her property.

http://offgridsurvival.com/evicted-for-living-off-the-grid/

...Self-reliance is not an option for you, everybody has to pay into the system or suffer consequences.

Neuro
10th January 2014, 01:08 PM
Sure if someone is producing more solar power than they consume in total, pay them the surplus at whole sale price, that is fair, otherwise one kWh is equal to another.

Ponce
10th January 2014, 05:03 PM
Get rid of my frig and my two freezers and I got it made........ what ever energy I need I can get it from solar power or propane.

We make ourselves slaves to our needs......so that when we don't have it we suffer.

The only real energy that I need is for reading, comp and cooking........the sun can provide what I need.

V

gunDriller
10th January 2014, 05:42 PM
so don't pay the bill.

and don't give them your Social Security #.

Hypertiger
10th January 2014, 08:39 PM
Get rid of my frig and my two freezers and I got it made........ what ever energy I need I can get it from solar power or propane.

We make ourselves slaves to our needs......so that when we don't have it we suffer.

The only real energy that I need is for reading, comp and cooking........the sun can provide what I need.

V

Slaves to wants...not needs

Yes the SUN supplies what you need...not what you want.

Hypertiger
10th January 2014, 09:17 PM
British Columbia In Canada...The legislation forces the electricity supply companies to buy any electricity you feed into the grid.

Going off grid...Means turning invisible...If you can be seen by the state or any tyrant...then you can be targeted for annihilation...

You have the right to believe you have rights that do not have.