The near perfect aerodynamics of the Su-35C

[midnight rambler]

As demonstrated at the Paris Air Show 2013 -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8cg1guFAw

[7th trump]

As demonstrated at the Paris Air Show 2013 -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK8cg1guFAw

not near as good as the aerodynamics of US missiles going mach 3+ that can turn on a dime and are a fraction of the cost of that piece of outdated junk.

Didnt one of those fall out of the sky at an airshow?

[steyr_m]

Didnt one of those fall out of the sky at an airshow?

Airshow accidents are common, as they are doing manoeuvers that are not usually done.

I don't think anything going faster than Mach 1 can "turn on a dime". I believe manned fighter aircraft will be around for a long time...

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql8nTBO0apI

[midnight rambler]

7th DUMP, NOT ONLY is it clearly apparent that you're an insufferable moron, it's PLAINLY OBVIOUS you blindly and FAITHFULLY worship* the MIC/Beast Death Cult which is sucking this country dry of blood and treasure. The point isn't that a Su-35 with TVC (or even the MiG-35 with TVC) can 'outmaneuver' a missile, the point is that the Russian aircraft are in fact state of the art with respect to super-agility and that despite the MIC's cRaptor and F-35 costing THREE times as much the frontline Russian fighter jets can still beat the MIC's best in a knifefight (i.e. too close to use air to air missiles, or in case one has no missiles left to shoot).

And you know, MY point is not to say "Russian planes can whup up on 'American' (clearly they are Z tribe Death Cult hardware considering their USE - their 'use' being both to bleed the country dry AND project Z tribe Death Cult foreign policy) planes, my point is that DESPITE the MIC Death Cult spending THREE TIMES as much on aircraft the Russians are still coming out ahead with respect to super-agility. AND you stupid fuck, the cRaptor is the aircraft that is STILL the 'outdated junk' since the cRaptor utilizes strictly 2D TVC acting in tandem (symmetrical, technology which was developed in the mid-'80s and not developed further) whereas the Russians have been using 3D differentially operating TVC (asymmetrical) since at least 2004. (proof YOU blindly and faithfully worship the MIC/Beast Death Cult - AS IF a MIC/Beast Death Cult never 'falls out of the sky at an air show'**)

*which of course makes you a useful idiot/foolish rube/tool of the Death Cult

**off hand I can think of three notable instances where Russian jets crashed at airshows - a MiG-29 ate a bird and flamed out, and one Su-31UB crashed (Paris) and one Su-27UB crashed (Ukraine), both of which were pilot error (no doubt there are others), you can find plenty(!) of MIC/Death Cult aircraft 'falling out of the sky at airshows' on youtube, PROBABLY MORE than Russian jets, so I won't bother posting any lol) I'm thinking it's a safe bet that while the Russians may be daring, the Americans are much more likely to be just plain stupid -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKwgvNDX1g4

[Ponce]

To me the fighting hardware is more important than the planes themselves.......air to air can do harder G force than the pilots or planes.......they can do the missiles in such a way that once they hook into a plane they won't let go no matter how many firecrackers you put in the air to divert the missile.......fire and foget.

V

[Horn]

While hardware matters in any numbers game,

Future winners will be determined by who can program a remote army of cost effective drones to respond most rapidly effective to strategic commands.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4T6_QvUzvCw

[Ponce]

That was a good movie, specially when he knocked the hell out of the little Mexican.

V

[govcheetos]

;D
That was a good movie, specially when he knocked the hell out of the little Mexican.

V
But ponce, i thought you were mexican?

[7th trump]

7th DUMP, NOT ONLY is it clearly apparent that you're an insufferable moron, it's PLAINLY OBVIOUS you blindly and FAITHFULLY worship* the MIC/Beast Death Cult which is sucking this country dry of blood and treasure. The point isn't that a Su-35 with TVC (or even the MiG-35 with TVC) can 'outmaneuver' a missile, the point is that the Russian aircraft are in fact state of the art with respect to super-agility and that despite the MIC's cRaptor and F-35 costing THREE times as much the frontline Russian fighter jets can still beat the MIC's best in a knifefight (i.e. too close to use air to air missiles, or in case one has no missiles left to shoot).

And you know, MY point is not to say "Russian planes can whup up on 'American' (clearly they are Z tribe Death Cult hardware considering their USE - their 'use' being both to bleed the country dry AND project Z tribe Death Cult foreign policy) planes, my point is that DESPITE the MIC Death Cult spending THREE TIMES as much on aircraft the Russians are still coming out ahead with respect to super-agility. AND you stupid fuck, the cRaptor is the aircraft that is STILL the 'outdated junk' since the cRaptor utilizes strictly 2D TVC acting in tandem (symmetrical, technology which was developed in the mid-'80s and not developed further) whereas the Russians have been using 3D differentially operating TVC (asymmetrical) since at least 2004. (proof YOU blindly and faithfully worship the MIC/Beast Death Cult - AS IF a MIC/Beast Death Cult never 'falls out of the sky at an air show'**)

*which of course makes you a useful idiot/foolish rube/tool of the Death Cult

**off hand I can think of three notable instances where Russian jets crashed at airshows - a MiG-29 ate a bird and flamed out, and one Su-31UB crashed (Paris) and one Su-27UB crashed (Ukraine), both of which were pilot error (no doubt there are others), you can find plenty(!) of MIC/Death Cult aircraft 'falling out of the sky at airshows' on youtube, PROBABLY MORE than Russian jets, so I won't bother posting any lol) I'm thinking it's a safe bet that while the Russians may be daring, the Americans are much more likely to be just plain stupid -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKwgvNDX1g4
My point is the day and age of dogfighting and maneuverability are long long over. And any moron thinking maneuverability is a key factor in survivability....well is just a moron.
Today survivability is stealth and speed.
To be truly stealthy you cant have a manned pilot and as far as speed goes...you cant have a manned pilot.
And as far as true maneuverability....you cant have a manned pilot.

Did I say anybody who thinks that in todays world of manned combat maneuverability is vital.......is a fool?
As far as price goes to building a manned maneuverable aircraft is foolish beyond any reason.
Its not even strategic.


Hey comrade ramblebutt...I never said I ever worshipped the raptor 2d or 3d vectoring of any aircraft Russian or American.....I've always said todays aircraft are outdated.
3D vectoring is outdated...it wont out run or out maneuver a missile.
Any vectoring is done at a certain speed (low speed).....low speed is not a good thing against a mach 3 missile locked on your ass.
Ask any pilot if a locked missile is a good thing to hear coming across your head phones.
The best thing the Russians (or even the Americans) could do for the outdated pilot is give him a damn good ejection system to clear the explosion of the jet as its blown to pieces.

Funny thing is you never compare your beloved Russian aircraft against a missile......we both know why don't we comrade ramblebutt!

[midnight rambler]

7th DUMP, you truly are an idiot who worships the Beast. To you it's all about conflict (not just in this thread, but every time you post), and how superior your god the Beast is.

The OP has NOTHING(!) to do with aerial combat and has EVERYTHING to do with the super-agility of the Su-35C as a winged aircraft. Forget aerial combat! With respect to super-agility the Su-35C (and the MiG-35 with TVC) have NO equals in the world of aviation - PERIOD! And despite the best efforts of YOUR god the Beast the MIC can't even come close. They are worlds apart (and that's the intention of the MIC, the cRaptor and the F-35 are both vehicles for enriching the top as the primary purpose while maintaining the cherished delusions of the rubes, which they both do very well at; projecting Z tribe/Death Cult foreign policy is an added value).

[Horn]

That was a good movie, specially when he knocked the hell out of the little Mexican.

V

His nose appeared much too large to be Mexican, hmmm?

[Ponce]

;D
But ponce, i thought you were mexican?

Not Puerto Rican, Not Mexican.........Cuban, Cuban, CUBANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN......dag gonnet.

The kid spoke Mexican.

V

[7th trump]

7th DUMP, you truly are an idiot who worships the Beast. To you it's all about conflict (not just in this thread, but every time you post), and how superior your god the Beast is.

The OP has NOTHING(!) to do with aerial combat and has EVERYTHING to do with the super-agility of the Su-35C as a winged aircraft. Forget aerial combat! With respect to super-agility the Su-35C (and the MiG-35 with TVC) have NO equals in the world of aviation - PERIOD! And despite the best efforts of YOUR god the Beast the MIC can't even come close. They are worlds apart (and that's the intention of the MIC, the cRaptor and the F-35 are both vehicles for enriching the top as the primary purpose while maintaining the cherished delusions of the rubes, which they both do very well at; projecting Z tribe/Death Cult foreign policy is an added value).

I don't worship any beast.
But by your posts that prop up soviet arms it looks as though you are the guilty one at worshipping the beast.
Biblically speaking the one world government is the second beast in the book of Revelation and that OWG was birthed in the soviet union by communist...the same communist military arms you're boasting and bragging of.
If you want to talk about aircraft agility then why not post about nonmilitary aircraft if you aren't talking about the death cult?
These nonmilitary stunt planes can out maneuver any military aircraft.....but you don't speak of them....you just prop up the arms the beast is going to use to attempt a world take over!
I got Biblical news for you ramblebutt....the soviets get "smoked" and the US doesn't even lift an arm....in fact rablebutt the US doesn't even know the soviet forces are coming when they are laid to waste.

As far as story goes for enriching the top....don't ever think the top has to hide its enrichment scam by building aircraft...cause they don't need to build aircraft to enrich themselves.....so think again or find another story that's a bit more realistic and believable.
Again the F35 is probably so advanced electronic wise it doesn't need 3d vectoring to fly.
The USA is the most advanced country in the world....Russia cant even come close electronic wise.


Like I say speed and stealth is what going to keep an outdated pilot alive and the US is moving away from the conventional pilot to advanced drones for a reason.

[Glass]

I'm sorry, but communism doesn't come from Russia. It was simply the first country that it was gifted upon. Communism is bolshevism. That is the source of it.

[7th trump]

I'm sorry, but communism doesn't come from Russia. It was simply the first country that it was gifted upon. Communism is bolshevism. That is the source of it.

Wow!
No shit Sherlock!
However observant a post that was.........Russia remains today (from day one) the global headquarters of the ever threat of global communism.
Its goal is to destroy all freedoms of any kind.....including your personal ability to think individually.

Any symbol to the threat of any individuals ability to think on an individual basis should be put out of its misery and never propped up in any way.
ramblebutt is doing just that.

[Glass]

I think Russia is the last stumbling block against total bolshevik domination isn't it? Aren't they looking to bring the Orthodox church into the fold, bringing about the final stages.

You do freak out when anything is suggested that is equal or better than US military might. I mean, I could forecast the direction this thread would take the minute I saw the topic. Before a single reply was posted.

I think the technical engineering to enable an craft to manouver in what appear to be gravity defying ways as impressive. I don't care so much about the military might projection of it. I'm impressed with the engineering.

But you are right in respect of the real advancements are going to have to occur without people being factored in to the equation. Man is the weak leak in terms of what these machines could do, because he couldn't stand up to the strain involved.

As to battles, I don't doubt the field has changed and stealth has value but electronic stealth is not invisibility and all forces are going to be impacted by the Stand Off engagement systems these guys - US and Russia, are running. It isn't the be all and end all though and I'm sure there are measures, counter measures and counter counter measures that could just end up with everyone being right back where they started... having to duke it out up close.

Has anyone outside of the military done any simulations on how these things go head to head with other craft? I'd like to see a feature set and capabilities comparo.

Anyway lets hope the time never comes that these two forces go head to head.

[Spectrism]

;D
But ponce, i thought you were mexican?

No! He is Puerto Rican, mon.

Oh, I see he replied.... he pretends to be Cuban to sound more cultured. You might think he has a stash of cuban cigars... but, no.... just puerto rican toilet paper.



I do think drones are the wave of the future... but then, there is not much of a future. The drones won't have time to be developed- God I hope I am right about that..... but the nukes will do some horrible damage and not too far away now.

[Ponce]

I already my thoughts about the future of drones and the part that they will play in our future, cops are now begging for drones, it is safer to chase and kill a "criminals" with drones rather than in person.

After thinking about it I have decided that the world is to small to have another world war, if we were to have one it would be a short one followed by guerrilla warfare......only trouble with this is that China has a ratio of 20/1 against the US...their army of women alone is bigger than our regular army.

V

[Horn]

The next World War battle will only be televised and Sir Ben Kingsley will save the day,

then freedom fighters will be sent out to the Van Allen belts to be roasted by "alien" plasma rays.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZT1-xnbJ3g

[Glass]

Drones always cause me to think of a distopian computer game called Half Life (1 & 2). In it are these small drones called scanners. They buzz around and scan every one, look then up in the system, alert alien hybrid soldiers to your locale or send in killer drones that have circular saw blades the come after you with


The Half-Life series begins in 1998, at the fictional Black Mesa Research Facility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Mesa_Research_Facility) in New Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Mexico). Gordon Freeman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordon_Freeman), a recently employed theoretical physicist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics), is involved in an experiment analyzing an unknown crystalline artifact; however, when the anti-mass spectrometer beam contacts the crystal, it creates a resonance cascade that opens a dimensional rift between Black Mesa and another world called Xen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xen_%28Half-Life%29), causing monsters to swarm Black Mesa and kill many of the facility's personnel. Attempts by the Black Mesa personnel to close the rift are unsuccessful, leading to a Marine Recon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Recon) unit being sent in to silence the facility, including any survivors from the science team. Freeman fights through the facility to meet with several other scientists, who decide to travel to the alien dimension to stop the aliens. On Xen, Freeman eliminates the alien "leader" and is confronted by the G-Man (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-Man_%28Half-Life%29), who offers Freeman employment before putting him into stasis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasis_%28fiction%29).[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_%28series%29#cite_note-storysofar-2) Back in Black Mesa, a second alien race begins an invasion, but is stopped when a Marine corporal, Adrian Shephard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Shephard), collapses its portal in the facility. The G-Man then destroys Black Mesa with a nuclear warhead, and detains Shephard in stasis. Barney Calhoun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Calhoun), a security officer, also escaped from the facility with Dr. Rosenberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Characters_of_Half-Life#Dr_Rosenberg) and two other scientists.

Nearly twenty years later,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_%28series%29#cite_note-storysofar-2) Half-Life 2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_2) opens as the G-Man brings Freeman out of stasis and inserts him into a dystopian Earth ruled by the Combine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combine_%28Half-Life%29), a faction consisting of human and alien members, that used the dimensional rift caused at Black Mesa to conquer Earth in the interim. In the Eastern European settlement City 17 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_17),

[7th trump]

Drones are the future.
One drone has the capability of having a command center like that of NASA having multiple people overseeing and controling its action.

Imagine a flying platform with dozens upon dozens of experts at its various capabilities and controls simultaneously doing one job?
Imagine a super computer sitting in Iowa calculating an SU-35's flight path thats engaged in a dog fight with a drone?
One super computer can control the reactive flight path of an enemy pilot by forcing the pilot to take defensive maneuvers from calculating its offensive actions. (the russian threat is controlled) Mean while the defensive team and other super computers are eliminating the offensive threat taking by the russian aircraft.
Imagine a supersonic highly maneuverable stealth drone armed with missiles, cannons and bombs all controlled by a team of experts (and super computers) sitting in front of huge flat screens like you see in command centers such as NORAD.
No single manned combat aircraft anywhere in the world has this massive capability.
The only downside is the weakness of link ups and communications.....however satelite technology is beyond anything they are allowing us to know.
The US is the worlds leader in space technology....decades above and ahead of Russia, China and India.
Face it, the US dominates space!

Any wonder why the US is downsizing its military?
Any wonder why the US has not gone to 3d vectoring its millitary aircraft? (dogfighting has been outdated by 70 years)
Any wonder why the US doesnt need combat pilots?

Now imagine some russian SU-35's stumbling across a pack of F35's and these drones?
Are the drones escorting the F35's or are the F35's escorting the drones?

Its a good thing the russians have 3d vectoring....its quick about face technology for the Su-35 to get the fuck out of there.

[Spectrism]

The US is subverted. The military is infiltrated so that they don't serve the people of America. Their job is to respond to the global elite. Obongo is in place with the supporting branches of government to take America down. If they decide to use Russia and China to eliminate the resistance in America, there will be no drones, nukes or anything else coming to the aid of the US citizens. They are toast.

Watch for an uprising in the military. This will be the moment that they realize the time for "do or die" has arrived. I think they already waited too long. 20 years too long.

[Horn]

Imagine a super computer sitting in Iowa calculating an SU-35's flight path thats engaged in a dog fight with a drone?

You're supposed to think of the SU-35 as a defensive "work of art",

its a one of a kind rarity in high demand because of its defensive "work of art" capabilities.

Like a Sultan's sword, or something so beautiful that it will be exulted into a place of simply doing nothing but looking nice, and instilling sacrificial wantonness to the God's of war.

You have to be a chief in Kazakhstan to truly appreciate it.

[7th trump]

You're supposed to think of the SU-35 as a defensive "work of art",

its a one of a kind rarity in high demand because of its defensive "work of art" capabilities.

Like a Sultan's sword, or something so beautiful that it will be exulted into a place of simply doing nothing but looking nice, and instilling sacrificial wantonness to the God's of war.

You have to be a chief in Kazakhstan to truly appreciate it.

yeah...."bling bling".

[Horn]

The bent sword philosophy,

most likely handed down by your enemies to limit your reach with it. :)

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