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EE_
20th January 2014, 03:43 AM
I noticed not much was said about the retail industry after this holiday season...that's because it was horrible.
They are desperate to keep this great lie going.

THE RETAIL DEATH RATTLE
Posted on 19th January 2014

“I was part of that strange race of people aptly described as spending their lives doing things they detest, to make money they don’t want, to buy things they don’t need, to impress people they don’t like.” ― Emile Gauvreau



If ever a chart provided unequivocal proof the economic recovery storyline is a fraud, the one below is the smoking gun. November and December retail sales account for 20% to 40% of annual retail sales for most retailers. The number of visits to retail stores has plummeted by 50% since 2010. Please note this was during a supposed economic recovery. Also note consumer spending accounts for 70% of GDP. Also note credit card debt outstanding is 7% lower than its level in 2010 and 16% below its peak in 2008. Retailers like J.C. Penney, Best Buy, Sears, Radio Shack and Barnes & Noble continue to report appalling sales and profit results, along with listings of store closings. Even the heavyweights like Wal-Mart and Target continue to report negative comp store sales. How can the government and mainstream media be reporting an economic recovery when the industry that accounts for 70% of GDP is in free fall? The answer is that 99% of America has not had an economic recovery. Only Bernanke’s 1% owner class have benefited from his QE/ZIRP induced stock market levitation.




The entire economic recovery storyline is a sham built upon easy money funneled by the Fed to the Too Big To Trust Wall Street banks so they can use their HFT supercomputers to drive the stock market higher, buy up the millions of homes they foreclosed upon to artificially drive up home prices, and generate profits through rigging commodity, currency, and bond markets, while reducing loan loss reserves because they are free to value their toxic assets at anything they please – compliments of the spineless nerds at the FASB. GDP has been artificially propped up by the Federal government through the magic of EBT cards, SSDI for the depressed and downtrodden, never ending extensions of unemployment benefits, billions in student loans to University of Phoenix prodigies, and subprime auto loans to deadbeats from the Government Motors financing arm – Ally Financial (85% owned by you the taxpayer). The country is being kept afloat on an ocean of debt and delusional belief in the power of central bankers to steer this ship through a sea of icebergs just below the surface.


The absolute collapse in retail visitor counts is the warning siren that this country is about to collide with the reality Americans have run out of time, money, jobs, and illusions. The most amazingly delusional aspect to the chart above is retailers continued to add 44 million square feet in 2013 to the almost 15 billion existing square feet of retail space in the U.S. That is approximately 47 square feet of retail space for every person in America. Retail CEOs are not the brightest bulbs in the sale bin, as exhibited by the CEO of Target and his gross malfeasance in protecting his customers’ personal financial information. Of course, the 44 million square feet added in 2013 is down 85% from the annual increases from 2000 through 2008. The exponential growth model, built upon a never ending flow of consumer credit and an endless supply of cheap fuel, has reached its limit of growth. The titans of Wall Street and their puppets in Washington D.C. have wrung every drop of faux wealth from the dying middle class. There are nothing left but withering carcasses and bleached bones.


The impact of this retail death spiral will be vast and far reaching. A few factoids will help you understand the coming calamity:

•There are approximately 109,500 shopping centers in the United States ranging in size from the small convenience centers to the large super-regional malls.
•There are in excess of 1 million retail establishments in the United States occupying 15 billion square feet of space and generating over $4.4 trillion of annual sales. This includes 8,700 department stores, 160,000 clothing & accessory stores, and 8,600 game stores.
•U.S. shopping-center retail sales total more than $2.26 trillion, accounting for over half of all retail sales.
•The U.S. shopping-center industry directly employed over 12 million people in 2010 and indirectly generated another 5.6 million jobs in support industries. Collectively, the industry accounted for 12.7% of total U.S. employment.
•Total retail employment in 2012 totaled 14.9 million, lower than the 15.1 million employed in 2002.
•For every 100 individuals directly employed at a U.S. regional shopping center, an additional 20 to 30 jobs are supported in the community due to multiplier effects.

The collapse in foot traffic to the 109,500 shopping centers that crisscross our suburban sprawl paradise of plenty is irreversible. No amount of marketing propaganda, 50% off sales, or hot new iGadgets is going to spur a dramatic turnaround. Quarter after quarter there will be more announcements of store closings. Macys just announced the closing of 5 stores and firing of 2,500 retail workers. JC Penney just announced the closing of 33 stores and firing of 2,000 retail workers. Announcements are imminent from Sears, Radio Shack and a slew of other retailers who are beginning to see the writing on the wall. The vacancy rate will be rising in strip malls, power malls and regional malls, with the largest growing sector being ghost malls. Before long it will appear that SPACE AVAILABLE is the fastest growing retailer in America.



The reason this death spiral cannot be reversed is simply a matter of arithmetic and demographics. While arrogant hubristic retail CEOs of public big box mega-retailers added 2.7 billion retail square feet to our already over saturated market, real median household income flat lined. The advancement in retail spending was attributable solely to the $1.1 trillion increase (68%) in consumer debt and the trillion dollars of home equity extracted from castles in the sky, that later crashed down to earth. Once the Wall Street created fraud collapsed and the waves of delusion subsided, retailers have been revealed to be swimming naked. Their relentless expansion, based on exponential growth, cannibalized itself, new store construction ground to a halt, sales and profits have declined, and the inevitable closing of thousands of stores has begun. With real median household income 8% lower than it was in 2008, the collapse in retail traffic is a rational reaction by the impoverished 99%. Americans are using their credit cards to pay their real estate taxes, income taxes, and monthly utilities, since their income is lower, and their living expenses rise relentlessly, thanks to Bernanke and his Fed created inflation.



The media mouthpieces for the establishment gloss over the fact average gasoline prices in 2013 were the second highest in history. The highest average price was in 2012 and the 3rd highest average price was in 2011. These prices are 150% higher than prices in the early 2000′s. This might not matter to the likes of Jamie Dimon and Jon Corzine, but for a middle class family with two parents working and making 7.5% less than they made in 2000, it has a dramatic impact on discretionary income. The fact oil prices have risen from $25 per barrel in 2003 to $100 per barrel today has not only impacted gas prices, but utility costs, food costs, and the price of any product that needs to be transported to your local Wally World. The outrageous rise in tuition prices has been aided and abetted by the Federal government and their doling out of loans so diploma mills like the University of Phoenix can bilk clueless dupes into thinking they are on their way to an exciting new career, while leaving them jobless in their parents’ basement with a loan payment for life.




The laughable jobs recovery touted by Obama, his sycophantic minions, paid off economist shills, and the discredited corporate legacy media can be viewed appropriately in the following two charts, that reveal the false storyline being peddled to the techno-narcissistic iGadget distracted masses. There are 247 million working age Americans between the ages of 18 and 64. Only 145 million of these people are employed. Of these employed, 19 million are working part-time and 9 million are self- employed. Another 20 million are employed by the government, producing nothing and being sustained by the few remaining producers with their tax dollars. The labor participation rate is the lowest it has been since women entered the workforce in large numbers during the 1980′s. We are back to levels seen during the booming Carter years. Those peddling the drivel about retiring Baby Boomers causing the decline in the labor participation rate are either math challenged or willfully ignorant because they are being paid to be so. Once you turn 65 you are no longer counted in the work force. The percentage of those over 55 in the workforce has risen dramatically to an all-time high, as the Me Generation never saved for retirement or saw their retirement savings obliterated in the Wall Street created 2008 financial implosion.



To understand the absolute idiocy of retail CEOs across the land one must parse the employment data back to 2000. In the year 2000 the working age population of the U.S. was 213 million and 136.9 million of them were working, a record level of 64.4% of the population. There were 70 million working age Americans not in the labor force. Fourteen years later the number of working age Americans is 247 million and only 144.6 million are working. The working age population has risen by 16% and the number of employed has risen by only 5.6%. That’s quite a success story. Of course, even though median household income is 7.5% lower than it was in 2000, the government expects you to believe that 22 million Americans voluntarily left the labor force because they no longer needed a job. While the number of employed grew by 5.6% over fourteen years, the number of people who left the workforce grew by 31.1%. Over this same time frame the mega-retailers that dominate the landscape added almost 3 billion square feet of selling space, a 25% increase. A critical thinking individual might wonder how this could possibly end well for the retail genius CEOs in glistening corporate office towers from coast to coast.



This entire materialistic orgy of consumerism has been sustained solely with debt peddled by the Wall Street banking syndicate. The average American consumer met their Waterloo in 2008. Bernanke’s mission was to save bankers, billionaires and politicians. It was not to save the working middle class. You’ve been sacrificed at the altar of the .1%. The 0% interest rates were for Jamie Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein. Your credit card interest rate remained between 13% and 21%. So, while you struggle to pay bills with your declining real income, the Wall Street bankers are again generating record profits and paying themselves record bonuses. Profits are so good, they can afford to pay tens of billions in fines for their criminal acts, and still be left with billions to divvy up among their non-prosecuted criminal executives.

Bernanke and his financial elite owners have been able to rig the markets to give the appearance of normalcy, but they cannot rig the demographic time bomb that will cause the death and destruction of our illusory retail paradigm. Demographics cannot be manipulated or altered by the government or mass media. The best they can do is ignore or lie about the facts. The life cycle of a human being is utterly predictable, along with their habits across time. Those under 25 years old have very little income, therefore they have very little spending. Once a job is attained and income levels rise, spending rises along with the increased income. As the person enters old age their income declines and spending on stuff declines rapidly. The media may be ignoring the fact that annual expenditures drop by 40% for those over 65 years old from the peak spending years of 45 to 54, but it doesn’t change the fact. They also cannot change the fact that 10,000 Americans will turn 65 every day for the next sixteen years. They also can’t change the fact the average Baby Boomer has less than $50,000 saved for retirement and is up to their grey eye brows in debt.



With over 15% of all 25 to 34 year olds living in their parents’ basement and those under 25 saddled with billions in student loan debt, the traditional increase in income and spending is DOA for the millennial generation. The hardest hit demographic on the job front during the 2008 through 2014 ongoing recession has been the 45 to 54 year olds in their peak earning and spending years. Combine these demographic developments and you’ve got a perfect storm for over-built retailers and their egotistical CEOs.

The media continues to peddle the storyline of on-line sales saving the ancient bricks and mortar retailers. Again, the talking head pundits are willfully ignoring basic math. On-line sales account for 6% of total retail sales. If a dying behemoth like JC Penney announces a 20% decline in same store sales and a 20% increase in on-line sales, their total change is still negative 17.6%. And they are still left with 1,100 decaying stores, 100,000 employees, lease payments, debt payments, maintenance costs, utility costs, inventory costs, and pension costs. Their future is so bright they gotta wear a toe tag.

The decades of mal-investment in retail stores was enabled by Greenspan, Bernanke, and their Federal Reserve brethren. Their easy money policies enabled Americans to live far beyond their true means through credit card debt, auto debt, mortgage debt, and home equity debt. This false illusion of wealth and foolish spending led mega-retailers to ignore facts and spread like locusts across the suburban countryside. The debt fueled orgy has run out of steam. All that is left is the largest mountain of debt in human history, a gutted and debt laden former middle class, and thousands of empty stores in future decaying ghost malls haunting the highways and byways of suburbia.

The implications of this long and winding road to ruin are far reaching. Store closings so far have only been a ripple compared to the tsunami coming to right size the industry for a future of declining spending. Over the next five to ten years, tens of thousands of stores will be shuttered. Companies like JC Penney, Sears and Radio Shack will go bankrupt and become historical footnotes. Considering retail employment is lower today than it was in 2002 before the massive retail expansion, the future will see in excess of 1 million retail workers lose their jobs. Bernanke and the Feds have allowed real estate mall owners to roll over non-performing loans and pretend they are generating enough rental income to cover their loan obligations. As more stores go dark, this little game of extend and pretend will come to an end. Real estate developers will be going belly-up and the banking sector will be taking huge losses again. I’m sure the remaining taxpayers will gladly bailout Wall Street again. The facts are not debatable. They can be ignored by the politicians, Ivy League economists, media talking heads, and the willfully ignorant masses, but they do not cease to exist.
http://www.theburningplatform.com/2014/01/19/the-retail-death-rattle/

mick silver
20th January 2014, 03:59 AM
before the new year started i made a post about a big store closing there doors , well well it was jc penny shutting down 32 stores , what was that 2000 more jobs gone . and i heard penny paid alot better then most of the big box stores . watch for kmart next . to me some people are learning to do with less

EE_
20th January 2014, 04:05 AM
before the new year started i made a post about a big store closing there doors , well well it was jc penny shutting down 32 stores , what was that 2000 more jobs gone . and i heard penny paid alot better then most of the big box stores . watch for kmart next . to me some people are learning to do with less

A lot of people are learning to do with less...less money.
Higher energy costs, more for rent, more taxes, high food prices are eating up most of people's income.

Glass
20th January 2014, 04:06 AM
whats coming is nothing. The stores will close and the clothes and food will stop. There will be no way to buy clothes or anything basically. Appliances no. Vehicles maybe. Things that can still be made in USA there's a chance but most is import. Same everywhere. See how that works. No one can be independent. The supply can be shut off because everyone is importing some essentials and usually median heavy industry stuff like textiles or refining

mick silver
20th January 2014, 04:23 AM
the more you try and save on your energy the more it costs , i know we cut off lights and stuff we dont need on and yet it keeps going up . last month bill was 100 bucks not to bad to what the guy down the roads was 400 bucks with a over build house .

Spectrism
20th January 2014, 05:22 AM
Yeup- everybody is doing with less.

I stopped paying health insurance. Save $330/month.
I shut off my basic TV. Save $31/month. Still have 20 channels of RF!! free.
I cut my phone from all features to basic. Save $40/month.

That is $400 /month that can be used to build up an emergency fund.

I will buy long term valued items at tag sales. Repair parts I will buy new as necessary. But no more cheap crap from China. (chinamart)


BTW- here is the missing chart from the OP.

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/P1-BO805_RETAIL_G_20140116182703.jpg


And this one from the link showing buying power. People have more income so they can pay higher taxes, but the value of the dollar kills their increases.

http://advisorperspectives.com/dshort/charts/census/household-income-monthly-median-since-2000.gif

7th trump
20th January 2014, 06:36 AM
Yep...put in new windows in the house in 2013.
Just last month put in new 2 stage furnace with AC unit.
This spring will finish off the rest of the house with new siding. Didnt go with the plastic that everyone else is doing. Neighbor said her house is colder than before she hired someone to reside the house with this plastic crap.......wood is the best insulater,,,why get rid of it!
Stripped off the battens and went over the existing plywood with new plywood doubling it up and replaced the battens with new. The house is way warmer than it use to be and hopefully cooler with summer.....not to mention the outside noise level is drastically reduced.
Replaced toilets with efficient low water types.
All lighting is done with 12v LEDs running off the solar and battery setup.
Fireplace stove insert has new .3 amp 12vdc fans, over the old 120vac current hogs, running off of the solar and battery....doesnt cost me anything to heat the house but the two cycle gas to cut up the wood and hauling it home.
Next project this summer is to reduce city water usage by taking in outside high humidity air and running it through the hotter than shit attic to heat it up and then sending it down into the cool ground to condensate to collect and pump back into a storage tank for pottable water.
Needed to find a way to utilize the hotter than shit attic temp so thats the idea I came up with to escape the floridated city water....should have plenty of near unpolluted water to go around in this midwest humidity during the summer anyway. Coupled with my 4 and 6 inch garden tubes I shouldnt have to use much city water to water the garden. Tubes drastically reduced water consumption to the plant roots only and not the surrounding ground in a conventional garden. No more paying for watering the weed seed to germinate only to late rhave to weed out the garden which made the ground dry out by sun exposure.

gunny highway
20th January 2014, 08:21 AM
Sears is closing 100-120 of it's "profit-busting" stores.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/sears-earnings-4q-2011_n_1296451.html

Ponce
20th January 2014, 09:27 AM
whats coming is nothing. The stores will close and the clothes and food will stop. There will be no way to buy clothes or anything basically. Appliances no. Vehicles maybe. Things that can still be made in USA there's a chance but most is import. Same everywhere. See how that works. No one can be independent. The supply can be shut off because everyone is importing some essentials and usually median heavy industry stuff like textiles or refining

Glass........and now you know why I have been buying like new clothing from the thrift store for the past eleven years....for some reason a lot more people are now going to the store but for some reason the store is still always full of clothing......I am having a ball...but ....I am running out of space.

V

mick silver
20th January 2014, 11:35 AM
sears ............. The plans follow news in December that the company would close at least 100 to 120 stores to raise cash after a disastrous holiday season in which revenue at stores open at least a year – an indicator of a retailer's health – fell 5.2 percent in the eight weeks ended on Dec. 25. ................ more jobs gone . i wonder what that number will be?

chad
20th January 2014, 01:34 PM
why would anyone ever visit a retail store unless you need it "today?" everything i need is at least 25% cheaper online, comes with free shipping, and shows up via the ups/fedex fairy in 2 days or less, thus even saving me gas. there's no need to go to a store with a model like this. if i could buy all my food online i would.

old steel
20th January 2014, 02:32 PM
Glass........and now you know why I have been buying like new clothing from the thrift store for the past eleven years....for some reason a lot more people are now going to the store but for some reason the store is still always full of clothing......I am having a ball...but ....I am running out of space.

V



Ponce what are you going to do with all those clothes?

Give them away to the needy?

They will be gone in mere minutes.

Let alone the riot it will cause. ;)

Cebu_4_2
21st January 2014, 07:54 PM
Sears is closing 100-120 of it's "profit-busting" stores.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/sears-earnings-4q-2011_n_1296451.html

By ANNE D'INNOCENZIO AND MAE ANDERSON 02/23/12 06:55 PM ET http://s.huffpost.com/images/v/ap_wire.png

woodman
21st January 2014, 09:21 PM
and shows up via the ups/fedex fairy in 2 days or less, thus even saving me gas.

Damn fags are taking all the good jobs......

EE_
22nd January 2014, 04:02 AM
Damn fags are taking all the good jobs......

Study: Men Starting To Talk Like Girls
Jan 20, 2014 10 Comments Infidel Alie

Excerpted from BBC NEWS: More young men in California rise in pitch at the end of their sentences when talking, new research shows.

This process is known as “uptalk” or “valleygirl speak” and has in the past been associated with young females, typically from California or Australia.

But now a team says that this way of speaking is becoming more frequent among men.

The findings were presented at the Meeting of the Acoustical Society of America in California.

“We found use of uptalk in all of our speakers, despite their diverse backgrounds in socioeconomic status, ethnicity, bilingualism and gender,” said Amanda Ritchart, a linguist at the University of California who led the research.

“We believe that uptalk is becoming more prevalent and systematic in its use for the younger generations in Southern California,” she added.

The team recorded and analysed the voices of 23 native Californians aged between 18 and 22. The researchers were therefore not able to infer similar language patters in older Californians.
Sounding ditzy

People who speak uptalk are often misunderstood to be insecure, shallow or slightly dim, according to the team, who say this was not necessarily the case.

Speaking to the BBC’s Inside Science programme, co-author Amalia Arvanati, from the University of Kent, said it was hard to know how this process started.

“People talk about Frank Zappa’s song, Valley Girl. Finding out where it started is very difficult because we don’t have good records of how people use pitch.

“One possibility is that this is an extension of a pitch pattern that we actually find in most varieties of English which is used when you’re making a statement but you’re [also] asking indirectly for the interlocutor to confirm if they are with you,” Prof Arvaniti said.

She added that “uptalk” had negative connotations which made men less likely to admit to using it, but what was clear was that it was spreading.

“It grates on people, some people think it sounds really ditzy or insecure. This does not accurately come across like that to the native speakers.”
Women leaders

Claire Nance, a linguistics lecturer at Lancaster University, commented that the research reinforced the fact that uptalk was “increasingly widespread across all kinds of people”.

“Typically, women are trail-blazers in language change and take up innovative features first, then males start using them later.

“No spoken language ever remains stable and constant change is very much the norm. However, change often causes alarm among people who do not use an innovative feature, and uptalk appears to be another example of this trend,” Dr Nance added.

She explained that speakers may use uptalk to convey politeness or empathy with the listener, but that this was not always understood by non-uptalkers, perhaps due to its similarity to question intonation.
http://patdollard.com/2014/01/study-men-starting-to-talk-like-girls/

woodman
22nd January 2014, 02:03 PM
Study: Men Starting To Talk Like Girls
Jan 20, 2014 10 Comments Infidel Alie

Excerpted from BBC NEWS: More young men in California rise in pitch at the end of their sentences when talking, new research shows.

This process is known as “uptalk” or “valleygirl speak” and has in the past been associated with young females, typically from California or Australia.

But now a team says that this way of speaking is becoming more frequent among men.


People who speak uptalk are often misunderstood to be insecure, shallow or slightly dim, according to the team,


“It grates on people





This can be irksome. It sounds as though they are looking for validation every time they say something. Just punch them in the mouth. If we act now, we can nip this thing in the bud.

gunDriller
22nd January 2014, 02:14 PM
the economy is recovering/ inflation is low ... we hear this BS from even some of the metals community.

woodman
22nd January 2014, 02:31 PM
the economy is recovering/ inflation is low ... we hear this BS from even some of the metals community.

People's ability to lie to themselves is only eclipsed by their ability to lie to others. I live in northern Michigan and things are bad here. I would say that we are in a full blown depression. The only thing holding the fabric of life together here for many is the government payments and EBT cards. If not for this, they would be fighting each other for road-kill deer.

Twisted Titan
22nd January 2014, 02:40 PM
sears ............. The plans follow news in December that the company would close at least 100 to 120 stores to raise cash after a disastrous holiday season in which revenue at stores open at least a year – an indicator of a retailer's health – fell 5.2 percent in the eight weeks ended on Dec. 25. ................ more jobs gone . i wonder what that number will be?


They are closing their flagship store in Chicongo.

Get this: The store has only been open for 13 years.

How is that possible.

Ponce
22nd January 2014, 03:26 PM
Old Steel...............my collection of clothing is because of what I saw in Cuba.......here in the US 93% of the clothing comes from the outside so that when the dollar has no value then the clothing will be very expensive, if you can get it.

Many people are trading guns, ammo, wisky, weapons and so on......what I call dangerous items.......I will be trading clothing, the only thing that I will not have will be kids clothing............if you were to price all the clothing that I have at its original retail prices I would have between $75-100 thou, maybe even more........a "London Fog" with a liner that cost around $125.00 cost me $5.00, and pants that goes for $50.00 cost me 5 for $3.00.........all my clothing are like new, clean and with no wear or holes.

The clothing are now going up and the same for the "Mr Coffe" that just to cost me $2.00 is now $3.00.
I buy now what will be hard to get to morrow, in other words.....all that is imported...everything.

V

Cebu_4_2
22nd January 2014, 04:19 PM
People's ability to lie to themselves is only eclipsed by their ability to lie to others. I live in northern Michigan and things are bad here. I would say that we are in a full blown depression. The only thing holding the fabric of life together here for many is the government payments and EBT cards. If not for this, they would be fighting each other for road-kill deer.

I tried taking to you earlier when I lived there. MI had the depression starting after 2002, I saw it first hand. Some believed me some didn't not 90% were out of business by 2010. I left, couldn't pull the load anymore. Not great here but better weather.

madfranks
22nd January 2014, 04:27 PM
Old Steel...............my collection of clothing is because of what I saw in Cuba.......here in the US 93% of the clothing comes from the outside so that when the dollar has no value then the clothing will be very expensive, if you can get it.

That's a good insight, one I've not really considered before now. Ugh, but storing clothes takes up so much space, I don't know if I really have the space and time to start prepping clothes. Tell ya what, when SHTF, I'll visit you for all my clothes shopping needs, deal?

woodman
22nd January 2014, 06:07 PM
I tried taking to you earlier when I lived there. MI had the depression starting after 2002, I saw it first hand. Some believed me some didn't not 90% were out of business by 2010. I left, couldn't pull the load anymore. Not great here but better weather.
I remember you saying that your business took a hit in Flint after Buick closed down. Flint is really bad now. I put a new floor in Flint Northern back in '11 and then in '12 they had a pipe burst and we ended up replacing a third of the gym and resanding\gamelining the whole thing all over again. Then last year they closed it down. Now I hear it is an alternative school. Looks like I've got a job in Durand starting next week. Another pipe burst. I rented a house in Durand when we installed Flint Northern. Had a pipe burst last week in Buffalo, NY on a gym we installed there last year. Gotta yank it out and replace it. Looks like I'll split the crew for a couple of weeks. I've been enjoying a couple weeks off but the guys live hand to mouth and can't take down time so the work is welcome.

Cebu_4_2
22nd January 2014, 06:42 PM
I remember you saying that your business took a hit in Flint after Buick closed down. Flint is really bad now. I put a new floor in Flint Northern back in '11 and then in '12 they had a pipe burst and we ended up replacing a third of the gym and resanding\gamelining the whole thing all over again. Then last year they closed it down. Now I hear it is an alternative school. Looks like I've got a job in Durand starting next week. Another pipe burst. I rented a house in Durand when we installed Flint Northern. Had a pipe burst last week in Buffalo, NY on a gym we installed there last year. Gotta yank it out and replace it. Looks like I'll split the crew for a couple of weeks. I've been enjoying a couple weeks off but the guys live hand to mouth and can't take down time so the work is welcome.

Feeding time to feeding time bothered me much, I took the wrong approach and gave it to the workers while I starved (used all my savings) 4 years waiting for recovery. I hope you make it man, once there is nothing left you will be in high demand, me also except I had to bail. Dont sell your equipment on pennies, hang in there. Word of good work travels.

mick silver
23rd January 2014, 05:44 AM
woodman what do you do with all the wood flooring you pull out after it been wet ?