New Ammunition That Has Gun Owners Drooling

[Libertytree]

http://thelibertydigest.com/2014/01/24/the-new-ammunition-that-has-gun-owners-drooling/

http://thelibertydigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/1484717_1457441147811438_1727290480_n.jpg


They call it the R.I.P. round and with good reason. G2 Research has released a new ammo that is taking the market by storm and has gun owners all over the country trying to find where to pick some up.


As of now, the company is only releasing specifications for their 9mm round and they go a lil’ something like this:
* 16″ Penetration
* Up to 6″ diameter spread
* 96 gr projectile
* 2″ grouping at 25 yrds
* 1265 FPS / 490 Muzzle Energy
* 9 Separate Wound Channels
* Precision Machined
* Solid Copper / Lead Free
* Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing

[Glass]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mJGH7cDFw7c

[chad]

a bullet designed to lose its mass on impact? retarded.

[madfranks]

a bullet designed to lose its mass on impact? retarded.

It doesn't lose its mass, it converts one large mass into several smaller masses.

[midnight rambler]

It doesn't lose its mass, it converts one large mass into several smaller masses.

The Glaser Safety Slug has been around over 25 years, plenty of jootube videos of Glasers in gelatin and such.

[Twisted Titan]

If i find myself at the moment of truth i dont want to have any doubts about anything.


Give me FMJ 230gr 45 ACP everytime

Thats going through windsheild ,car door,engine block , shattering bones and leaving a ping pong ball sized entry or exit wounds depending on shot placement.

[.41Dave]

The juvenile, tacticool name alone is enough to keep me away, never mind the suspect claims. Imagine the field day a lawyer would have describing someone who used ammo called R.I.P.

[mick silver]

I'll stick with my trusty Hornady Critical Defense . Just what the hell will this ammo do to your barrel . just the way it blow out of the jel make it look like it could go any were

[midnight rambler]

The juvenile, tacticool name alone is enough to keep me away, never mind the suspect claims. Imagine the field day a lawyer would have describing someone who used ammo called R.I.P.

Yeah, although kinda sorta the same terminal concept the name 'Safety Slug' sounds so much better.

[chad]

but are they coated with teflon?

[midnight rambler]

If i find myself at the moment of truth i dont want to have any doubts about anything.


Give me FMJ 230gr 45 ACP everytime

Thats going through windsheild ,car door,engine block , shattering bones and leaving a ping pong ball sized entry or exit wounds depending on shot placement.

Where do you get this notion that .45 ACP FMJ will reliably penetrate windshields and (especially) car blocks*??

It's a well established fact that modern high performance personal defense ammo is far superior to FMJ in pretty much all respects. And you generally won't be finding +P .45ACP ammo except in some lines of HP PD ammo.

*you're only going to get that sort of penetration reliability out of .357 Sig, .357 Mag, .41 Mag, .44 Mag, etc.

[madfranks]

If i find myself at the moment of truth i dont want to have any doubts about anything.


Give me FMJ 230gr 45 ACP everytime

Thats going through windsheild ,car door,engine block , shattering bones and leaving a ping pong ball sized entry or exit wounds depending on shot placement.

One of the big reasons you want expanding ammo is to limit penetration. For instance if you were defending yourself and there were innocents around, you wouldn't want a bullet to go through the bad guy and into someone else.

[mick silver]

seems like it way over penetrates and you'd possibly kill one or more bystanders with the shrapnel after the round fragments.http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a564/Choppem1345/IMG_27041_zps07d387ab.jpg

[Ares]

Saw these the other night. My brother sent me the video. After doing a quick reading and seeing that each round is CNC machined. I said no thanks.

Having each round be CNC machined is going to quadruple the price of a standard round of ammunition. Not to mention there is no lead in these projectiles. They are all copper.

[Twisted Titan]

Gunshop blather

Local pd upgraded from 9mm to 45 because they were having a high fail rate on windsheild penatration and older model cars were effectly stopping them as well

The engine block story was told to me by the shop keeper about a fellow officer.

Weather it was luck,skill or both is called into question.

But i had no reason to doubt what i was being told.

[old steel]

I wouldn't go into the mountains for an extended hike/overnighter without anything less than a .44 magnum.

.45 acp will just piss off a grizzly.

Of course there is a huge difference between targeting a grizzly bear or a human.

[Ponce]

Use that bullet with the double barrel AR-15 rifle with a double bullet box, now in production.

V

[gunDriller]

Saw these the other night. My brother sent me the video. After doing a quick reading and seeing that each round is CNC machined. I said no thanks.

Having each round be CNC machined is going to quadruple the price of a standard round of ammunition. Not to mention there is no lead in these projectiles. They are all copper.

certainly that will add cost compared to some other manufacturing processes.

but it can also be engineered using hard automation, like a Schlage lock factory.

a screw machine making screws would be another example. you can get the cost down, it just takes persistence and engineering time and skill, tooling design & fab, etc.

and in today's market, where shortages and fear related to gun-grabbers helping drive up prices, well Jeez, i'm thinking they might be $1 a round.

[Cebu_4_2]

RIP Ammo – Radically Invasive Projectile

by Caleb (http://www.gunnuts.net/author/caleb/) • January 27, 2014

Unless you have been in a cave the last couple of days, you’ve probably seen the link to this new ammo called RIP, which stands for Radically Invasive Projectile. They have been running a truly impressive (and annoying, but more on that later) marketing campaign, to the point that their ammo has damn near gone viral. I’ve seen links to it on forums, facebook, had people email me and message me, so I guess it’s time to talk about the newest in trendy ammo. Let’s begin then with their own marketing video and go from there.

If you can get past the incredibly cheesy voice-over, the video basically consists of them shooting the 9mm RIP projectile into a bunch of different mediums in various unscientific ways. While I deeply enjoy footage of stuff getting hit by bullets in slow-motion, if you’re claiming that this is the “last round I’ll ever need” I want to see some actual barrier tests. But conspicuous in their absence are those barrier tests. Yes, they show the round going through a cinderblock, but they don’t show what happens in gel after that. They show some bare gel shots, but nothing that would involve defeating even a standard four layer denim test. Basically, the entire video is just wild claims and dudes shooting machine pistols. If that was all this video was about, I’d probably not be writing about it. But again, they’re claiming that this bullet does something special. Now we’ll take a look at that using science.

http://www.gunnuts.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/rip-ballistic-performance.jpg

This is G2R’s own image that shows the performance of the round when shot into bare gel. Here’s what you’re looking at: on the right, you have multiple permanent wound tracks from the trocar points that don’t appear to penetrate much further than 5 inches. That’s extremely shallow. You then have one single projectile, the base of the bullet which appears to act like an FMJ after the trocars separate and penetrate another 12-16 inches. It leaves a very small permanent wound track while doing this. Essentially, you have a round that combines all the negative performance aspects of an FMJ round (possible over-penetration, narrow wound track) with all the negative performance of a Glaser safety slug (nasty looking shallow wound channel, not a lot of real penetration). Don’t let their high speed video fool you, either. Remember that temporary stretch cavities are not a significant wounding mechanism in handgun ballistics. Basically, just because their gel appears to bounce and flex doesn’t mean that’s actually going to cause any permanent tissue damage.

http://www.gunnuts.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/g2rip-ammo.png

Finally, I want to address their marketing campaign. I must first doff my cap, because it’s absolutely worked. As mentioned, I’ve seen a number of links to the new product all over Facebook, my inbox, and various forums. But how much of that is real traction? Many of the forum posts and links have been all the same, with the title a variation of “The new round that has gun owners drooling”. First off, that’s a bunch of horseshit, since most of us didn’t know about your gimmick round until two days ago. Secondly, I know for a fact they’ve been sockpuppeting accounts on forums to get some of these posts, which is a shady maneuver as well. Lastly, the whole thing just reeks of SEO-optimized clown shoe mall-ninja fantasy nonsense.

Here’s the Gun Nuts Verdict on the G2R 9mm R.I.P. (Rapidly Invasive Projectile): It’s an overpriced gimmick round that doesn’t anything that can’t be done better with something else. Don’t waste your time and money with this nonsense. If you want deep penetration, shoot FMJ. If you want a massive, ugly, shallow wound use a Glaser. If you want a round designed to actually stop fights, use Winchester Ranger, or Federal HST, or Speed Gold Dots.

[EE_]

If you want a real penetrator, just make your own.
Cast your bullets with these 5/8" hardened steel Hilti pins in the center.
Nothing will stop them in a high power round.

Pins made for use in steel
http://ca.brockwhite.com/files/IMAGE/content/MEDIUM/1100761.jpg

note: I am not recommending for you to do anything illegal, check your local laws.

[old steel]

If you want a real penetrator, just make your own.
Cast your bullets with these 5/8" hardened steel Hilti pins in the center.
Nothing will stop them in a high power round.

Pins made for use in steel
http://ca.brockwhite.com/files/IMAGE/content/MEDIUM/1100761.jpg

note: I am not recommending for you to do anything illegal, check your local laws.



Armor piercing?

[willie pete]

True AP.....:D

http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2722/is1e.jpg

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

seems like it way over penetrates and you'd possibly kill one or more bystanders with the shrapnel after the round fragments.http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/a564/Choppem1345/IMG_27041_zps07d387ab.jpg

Soon they'll come out with D.U. rounds for personal safety.

[Cebu_4_2]

Soon they'll come out with D.U. rounds for personal safety.

Shipped complete with a lead carrying case.

[Libertytree]

I don't know, I'm asking.

Wasn't the last lead smelter in the US just shut down by the EPA? Effectively making all lead rounds imported? Is copper the new "domestic" round of the future?

[Cebu_4_2]

Wasn't the last lead smelter in the US just shut down by the EPA? Effectively making all lead rounds imported? Is copper the new "domestic" round of the future?

Yes it was and now ALL lead will be imported. Looks like Copper, brass, tungsten, and bismuth are options until we run out of recycled lead and are banned from importing a toxic substance as lead. The EPA cant ban lead bullets but they can ban importing it.

[Norweger]

Interesting. This is probably what they used at the massacre at Utøya. The intelligence agencies have had this for ages for sure, it's not like something like this comes out to the civilian market first. Head of surgery at the hospital where the victims from that massacre were said that he had never seen that type of bullet wounds before.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2011/07/24/nyheter/innenriks/oslo/oslo-terror/anders_behring_breivik/17442711/

[Jewboo]

Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing


So does a .22 short


:D this thing will fragment upon impact

[chad]

the "last lead smelter in the u.s." story shutting down and now all bullets will have to be imported is pure sorcha faal. the last lead smelter that shut down processed raw lead ore. there are still at least 13 others that process recycled lead (where most bullets, indeed almost all) come from anyway. there isn't going to be an imported lead bullet shortage.

[gunDriller]

i watched a friend use a nail gun this summer, and i couldn't help but think that it had some potential self-defense uses.

[willie pete]

So does a .22 short


:D this thing will fragment upon impact


I think most of the experts agree, that what you want is penetration to the level of vital organs

[EE_]

I think most of the experts agree, that what you want is penetration through a ceramic vest, to the level of vital organs

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[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTpceymbX6w

[monty]

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A ..357 Mag or a .44 Mag will do the job.

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