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old steel
27th January 2014, 11:02 AM
If there was any doubt.


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old steel
27th January 2014, 11:15 AM
The lions share of jobs created today are part time, low pay jobs with spartan benefits. They are jobs, not CAREERS.

gunDriller
27th January 2014, 01:21 PM
What the chart doesn't show is the percentage of employed men.

Women are a much bigger part of the workforce these days.

Total percentage employed is as low as the late 70's.

For men, it's far worse.

chad
27th January 2014, 01:22 PM
great depression stock market chart looks exactly like that one.

govcheetos
27th January 2014, 02:05 PM
Yawn. Wake me up in 6-8 months.

old steel
27th January 2014, 02:52 PM
Yawn. Wake me up in 6-8 months.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3tc0YVj86g ;)

Sparky
27th January 2014, 05:01 PM
Can we debate this one? In the 1950s and 1960s, the rate was below 60%. I'm presuming that's because most households got by with one worker. Isn't the rise from 1965-1990 simply a reflection of women entering the work force?

I would say the only reason this chart points to a problem is because we have unfortunately structured our economy such that it is difficult to get by with a 1-worker household. Sure, it's a sign of diminishing jobs, and tough times ahead. But this keeps getting back to the fundamental reality that it only takes half the people to get all of the work done. Maybe this is a reversion back to the natural state.

govcheetos
28th January 2014, 07:41 PM
"Maybe this is a reversion back to the natural state."

Natural state would be everyone "pulling their own weight".

According to the chart we have the "employment" of the same amount of people we had in the 70's, but now have a much higher population.

Who's paying their way?

Barbaro
28th January 2014, 07:59 PM
If there was any doubt.


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Yeah, the adult population work rate ratio is a very comprehensive stat. And it is not good.

I do not think the US is in "full blown collapse." Not at all. I think it's in a steady decline and this will continue for a very long time.

Neuro
29th January 2014, 04:31 AM
Yeah, the adult population work rate ratio is a very comprehensive stat. And it is not good.

I do not think the US is in "full blown collapse." Not at all. I think it's in a steady decline and this will continue for a very long time.
I agree the employment has gone from a bit more than 67% in 2000-1 to a bit less than 63% now. Full blown collapse would be 10% in a year or so, 4-5% in 13 years is a slow steady decline... It could however break down soon...

Cebu_4_2
29th January 2014, 05:58 AM
I agree the employment has gone from a bit more than 67% in 2000-1 to a bit less than 63% now. Full blown collapse would be 10% in a year or so, 4-5% in 13 years is a slow steady decline... It could however break down soon...

It is compounding if you include young workers and part time jobs vs full time.

Neuro
29th January 2014, 06:58 AM
It is compounding if you include young workers and part time jobs vs full time.
True, probably there is plenty more fluff in employment today than 13 years ago...

mick silver
29th January 2014, 07:03 AM
we are not in a full blow collapse yet i still have paper i can buy food gas silver with , when the collapse comes this stuff and alot more stuff will not be for sale

old steel
30th January 2014, 12:03 AM
Friday, January 24, 2014 Something Ominous May Be Coming At Us (http://truthingold.blogspot.ca/2014/01/something-ominous-may-be-coming-at-us.html) Earlier this week 30-day/4-wk T-Bills were auctioned off a 0% rate. Intra-day, after the auction, the rate went negative. Negative short term rates were last observed in 2008, before the Lehman/AIG/Goldman collapse occurred. Of course, Lehman was allowed to implode and Goldman, who's ex-CEO was the Treasury Secretary, was bailed out. AIG was the beneficiary of that bailout because Goldman had impaled itself on AIG nuclear waste.

The point here is that negative T-bill rates only occur when very big investors are concerned about the return OF their money and not the return on their money. Think about what a negative T-bill rate means. It means that someone is paying more for the T-bill than they get in return when it matures a few weeks later. Why would someone do that? It's the "safest" place to park large sums of cash.

A big institutional fund or very wealthy investor pays for a T-bill because they they see something which indicates that the risk of the Government defaulting in the next four weeks is less than the risk of parking that money in a bank or a money market fund. We're talking millions and tens of millions in short term money. Bank deposits are insured only up to a small amount. After 2008, it has been decided that money market funds will no longer be bailed out by the Government/Fed.

In other words, big big investors with cash that needs to be parked are seeing something that gives them concern about the financial system. The negative rates on T-bills means that whatever was spooking big money in 2008 is spooking it again. My best guess right now is that there is massive risk of derivatives default. This would be the derivatives that blew up the system in 2008 but that the Fed/Government quickly monetized. The problem was never fixed, contrary to Obama's recent end zone dance on the safety of the banking system.

In fact, the Fed swallowed a portion of the bad derivatives and has been using the better part of the $85+ billion per month it's been printing since early 2009 to monetize the rest. In other words the catastrophic problems were kicked down the road. Worse, the big banks went out and replaced the crap the Fed took off their balance sheets with even more crap. Accounting rules were changed, and ratified by BOTH political parties plus Obama, which enabled the big banks to hide the problem.

But now the financial system is wearing the Scarlet Letter of negative T-bill rates. The source that is lighting the fuse is emerging market problems, reflected in the currency devaluations by Argentina and Venezuela. But the currencies of other important emerging market economies have been plunging against the dollar as well. The cost of derivatives "insurance" on the sovereign debt of these countries has suddenly increased at a rate that would make Obamacare insurance providers blush.

What the currency plunge/derivatives blow-out implies is that sovereign bond defaults are on the horizon. This is not just confined to "emerging" economic countries. Spain, Portugal, Italy and France are on the ropes financially and economically as well, despite the official European story-line that Europe is in "recovery."

The issue for the U.S. here is that the Too Big To Fail banks are the ones who have underwritten most of the credit insurance derivatives associated with the sovereign debt that may be at risk to default. They also hold a lot of it on their balance sheet. That's why the Fed's Excess Reserve accounts of the big banks have ballooned up in correlation with amount of QE that has been printed. The Fed has monetizing the derivatives exposure but that works only up to the point of a default event.

In other words, a big nuclear derivatives may be coming at our system. Another interesting tidbit to think about. While the paper price of gold was being plunged using Comex futures by the Fed-backed big banks, a major portion of the gold held in the GLD Trust was removed. The common narrative scooped up like dog crap and tossed in our face by Wall Street analysts was that the decline of the gold in GLD was indication of a new bear market in gold.

Essentially gold bottomed in price on June 28th, with a retest of that bottom at the end of December. Based on the $1180 bottom, gold has risen $90 since since the end of June. But guess what? Another 179 tonnes of gold - or 19% - of the amount of gold in the GLD trust at the end of June has disappeared. If gold is rising again, shouldn't gold be flowing back into GLD? The 500+ tonnes of gold that has been removed from GLD in a little over a year has disappeared down the rabbit hole. There's no way to know for sure but I'm sure a large portion, if not all, has been shipped to China.

But maybe not all of it. In addition to the huge ratio of paper gold to physical gold visible on the Comex, according to the latest OCC bank derivatives report the top 4 banks - JPM, Citi, Goldman, Bank of America - are long over $81 billion in gold OTC derivatives. That's the equivalent of about 1800 tonnes of gold at current at the current price. 1800 tonnes is slightly less than than the annual amount produced globally by gold mines. That amount dwarfs by many multiples the ratio of paper/gold on the Comex that has drawn everyone's attention. Maybe that's why the Comex publishes as much data as it does about Comex futures positions and inventory. It draws everyone's attention from the much bigger gold derivatives problem.

Here's a link to the OCC derivatives report for anyone interested (it's from Q3, 2013 - there always a big time lag): Latest OCC Bank Derivatives Report (http://www.occ.gov/topics/capital-markets/financial-markets/trading/derivatives/dq313.pdf)

Something really ugly is coming at our system. Have a great weekend.


http://truthingold.blogspot.ca/2014/01/something-ominous-may-be-coming-at-us.html

Neuro
30th January 2014, 01:00 AM
In essence, BUY GOLD!

Hitch
30th January 2014, 05:50 AM
True, probably there is plenty more fluff in employment today than 13 years ago...

MSC, military sealift command, is hiring a bunch of folks. If anyone is interested in a career in the maritime industry. MSC is crewing up one new ship a month. Pay is great thanks to all the money printing and overspending by the government.

http://www.sealiftcommand.com/

Neuro
30th January 2014, 08:58 AM
MSC, military sealift command, is hiring a bunch of folks. If anyone is interested in a career in the maritime industry. MSC is crewing up one new ship a month. Pay is great thanks to all the money printing and overspending by the government.

http://www.sealiftcommand.com/
Military sealift command, what is the purpose of that enterprise?

Neuro
30th January 2014, 08:59 AM
In essence, BUY GOLD!
I actually did an hour ago! Feels good!

Hitch
30th January 2014, 09:14 AM
Military sealift command, what is the purpose of that enterprise?

Basically, civilian manned ships that transport supplies for the military. Wikipedia's article is a good one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Sealift_Command

Scuttlebutt is that there's a new ship being crewed up each month for the next several months. MSC is a good way for a person to get into the maritime industry. The pay is very good, you are on the ship for 4 months, then you take as much time off as you like after that. I believe you make a commitment to 2 cruises, 4 months each.

Horn
30th January 2014, 09:27 AM
A new ship and crew every month to replace the old hull that was eaten by Fukishima radiation.