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Cebu_4_2
28th January 2014, 03:43 PM
This is good but how can they just keep changing the rules?

January 28, 2014, 05:07 pm House votes to limit abortion coverage under Affordable Care Act By Pete Kasperowicz
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The House voted Tuesday to permanently ban federal spending on abortion, and to block the flow of federal subsidies to ObamaCare insurance plans that cover abortion.

Members voted 227-188 to pass the No Taxpayer Funding of Abortion Act, H.R. 7. The bill is similar to one the House passed in 2011 with the help of 16 Democrats. This time around, only six Democrats voted with the GOP.
One Republican voted no — Rep. Richard Hanna (R-N.Y.) — and Rep. Paul Broun (R-Ga.) voted "present."


The legislation would make permanent the ban on federal spending on abortion, something that has been approved each year for decades through the Hyde Amendment, a policy rider attached to the Health and Human Services spending bill. Republicans said this policy has been renewed with bipartisan support since the late 1970s, and that Congress should have no qualms about making it permanent.

"It has been renewed each appropriations cycle with few changes for over 35 years, supported by Congresses controlled by both parties and presidents from both parties," said House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.). "It is probably the most bipartisan, pro-life proposal sustained over a longer period of time than any other."

But the bill goes further, by closing what Republicans say is a loophole that allows the government to subsidize health insurance plans bought under ObamaCare that cover abortion. The GOP said those subsidies, which take the form of tax credits, are essentially a government payment toward abortion coverage, and that this subsidy goes against the intent of the Hyde Amendment.

"The ACA breaks with the tradition of the Hyde Amendment, which has ensured that federal dollars do not subsidize plans that cover abortion," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.). "The bill before us would simply codify the Hyde Amendment language so it applies across the federal government."

Democrats said the bill is not needed precisely because Congress continues to renew the Hyde Amendment, and said the language goes too far by denying people tax credits for making their own choice to buy abortion coverage. Democrats like Rep. Lois Capps (D-Calif.) said the elimination of the tax credit would force the government to inject itself into people's private healthcare decisions.

"This bill would squarely put the government, namely the IRS, in the exam room by effectively raising the taxes of those who choose an insurance plan that happens to cover abortion services," Capps said.

Democrats also argued that federal funding of abortion is different from government tax credits given to people who buy abortion coverage. Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) said a decision by Congress to treat tax credits as government spending could have other adverse implications.

"If we adopt this new theory, that granting tax relief is federal funding, then how can tax relief for churches and synagogues and religiously affiliated schools not be considered federal funding in violation of the establishment clause of the First Amendment?" Nadler asked. "We should all be very careful about establishing this new principle."

Other Democrats argued that under ObamaCare, no taxpayer money goes toward abortion coverage because the law requires people to pay for abortion coverage separately and out of their own pocket. Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Colo.) said that was a compromise that was struck in ObamaCare, and that Republicans are trying to undo that compromise and limit access to abortion by making it more expensive to buy abortion coverage.

Rep. Chris Smith (R-N.J.), the main sponsor of the bill, rejected that argument, and said ObamaCare is a clear violation of the Hyde Amendment that must be corrected.

"Under the Affordable Care Act, massive amounts of public funds… will pay for insurance plans, many, perhaps most of which, will include elective abortions, abortion on demand," Smith said. "That massively violates the Hyde Amendment."

Smith's bill ends tax credits for both individuals and small businesses that buy health insurance under ObamaCare. But it would allow people to buy separate abortion coverage provided by a non-federal source, as long as no tax credits are provided.

It also says that no facility owned or operated by the federal government or the District of Columbia, or by any doctor employed by these facilities, can provide abortion services. That was one of the provisions that led the White House to say President Obama would veto the bill if it made it to his desk.

"The administration strongly opposes legislation that unnecessarily restricts women's reproductive freedoms and consumers' private insurance options," the White House said Monday.

The House passed the bill just hours before Obama was set to deliver his fifth State of the Union address in the House chamber to a joint session of Congress.



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jimswift
28th January 2014, 04:58 PM
This is good but how can they just keep changing the rules?


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Shami-Amourae
28th January 2014, 05:00 PM
I wish they'd increase it. I don't understand why Right-wing people are against abortions. It's a great way to get rid of future Democrats and KNEE-grows. The kind of people who are getting abortions now are the kind who are on the government tit.

govcheetos
28th January 2014, 05:55 PM
I wish they'd increase it. I don't understand why Right-wing people are against abortions. It's a great way to get rid of future Democrats and KNEE-grows. The kind of people who are getting abortions now are the kind who are on the government tit.

Without going down the whole argument road, I think you have to look a little deeper. "Right wing", "Democrat", "government tit", these are the problems, and all invented by man. Negros and other types of people are like horses or dogs. Some are better suited to certain tasks. When you take a pug and expect it to do what a collie can do you're gonna be disappointed. Like wise a collie is ill bred to fill the role of other dogs. Negros if only expected to fulfill the roles they are suited for can excel at them. Lately I've been looking at things from a more natural standpoint. Hummingbirds, alligators, bears, swordfish, penguins, wolves, etc are all God's creations and if left alone all will either find some kind of balance and harmony in nature or will disappear. You don't hear the hummingbirds saying abortion is good because it takes out a lot of possums. The possums do their thing and the hummingbirds do theirs.

I feel the majority of negros being supported by the government, system, media, and American "culture" has led to them being the way they are. If you go to areas where this influence isn't there, or at least not as prevalent they can be a lot easier to get along with.

Shami-Amourae
28th January 2014, 06:08 PM
Without going down the whole argument road, I think you have to look a little deeper. "Right wing", "Democrat", "government tit", these are the problems, and all invented by man. Negros and other types of people are like horses or dogs. Some are better suited to certain tasks. When you take a pug and expect it to do what a collie can do you're gonna be disappointed. Like wise a collie is ill bred to fill the role of other dogs. Negros if only expected to fulfill the roles they are suited for can excel at them. Lately I've been looking at things from a more natural standpoint. Hummingbirds, alligators, bears, swordfish, penguins, wolves, etc are all God's creations and if left alone all will either find some kind of balance and harmony in nature or will disappear. You don't hear the hummingbirds saying abortion is good because it takes out a lot of possums. The possums do their thing and the hummingbirds do theirs.

I feel the majority of negros being supported by the government, system, media, and American "culture" has led to them being the way they are. If you go to areas where this influence isn't there, or at least not as prevalent they can be a lot easier to get along with.

I understand what you're saying, but as long as there are humans, humans will be governed by human laws, not natural laws. Natural laws are a rare thing and didn't last very long in this country. I'd love things to be more natural, but this is the card we've been dealt unfortunately.

govcheetos
28th January 2014, 07:50 PM
I understand what you're saying, but as long as there are humans, humans will be governed by human laws, not natural laws. Natural laws are a rare thing and didn't last very long in this country. I'd love things to be more natural, but this is the card we've been dealt unfortunately.

Maybe the route to take then is to not be "human".

Cebu_4_2
28th January 2014, 08:01 PM
I wish they'd increase it. I don't understand why Right-wing people are against abortions. It's a great way to get rid of future Democrats and KNEE-grows. The kind of people who are getting abortions now are the kind who are on the government tit.

They wont increase it they want more dependents.

mick silver
30th January 2014, 11:05 AM
by the way i like hummingbirds we have 6 feeder out in summer . back to what all are saying , i bet if welfare was stop then alot that dont need to have kids would stop but i know what your saying gov