Having Houseguests?

[palani]

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Don't be anyones aghenhine. Leave after the second nite.

[StreetsOfGold]

Oh NO! God forbid I should be a aghenhine
It's still better than being a fruidthethide or a sluropevious.

What are those you say? They are similar to a aghenhine. What else? :rolleyes:

[palani]

In case you might want to know what an aghenhine is try googling it. You will find this thread.

It is a prime word ripe for definition. What do you think it means?

[Glass]

what area of the world is the book describing? Why would it be bad to be known as someone's Aghenhine?

[palani]

what area of the world is the book describing? Why would it be bad to be known as someone's Aghenhine?

The Rise and Progess of the English Commonwealth vol 1

http://books.google.com/books?id=WhNEAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=the+rise+and+progress+of+the+english+commonweal th&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Tn3tUsBrhvLIAeL9gWg&ved=0CCsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20rise%20and%20progress%20of%20the%20english %20commonwealth&f=false
I presume by the usage that the term is intended to convey that the householder becomes responsible for the actions of the (ex)guest and the aghenhine is some form of servant or member of the household by status.

Which, by commonwealth, the author makes quite clear that DEMOCRACY is not what is intended.
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[Glass]

I noticed there is a foot note reference there. Also the use of the word "inmate" is interesting.

[palani]

I noticed there is a foot note reference there. Also the use of the word "inmate" is interesting.
Footnote 15 refers one to Lothar and Edric para 19. LL. Edwardi Confessoris para 27

[Glass]

ok so scanning the first reference. Way down the back of the book it deals with hospitality. It says 2 days is ok for a guest or traveller but 6 months is a big problem to get rid of them. 12 months in your abode with out protest makes them one of your households inhabitants.

So it sounds like anything from 3 days onward gets you on the path to having a squatter who could become hard to remove. No specific reference to that word though. only surrounding concepts.

Second referenced document likewise has no direct reference to word, but does touch on hospitality as one topic.

[palani]

ok so scanning the first reference. Way down the back of the book it deals with hospitality. It says 2 days is ok for a guest or traveller but 6 months is a big problem to get rid of them. 12 months in your abode with out protest makes them one of your households inhabitants.

With a cow levant et couchant a laydown and a wakeup is sufficient to establish a claim.

Where did you find Lothar and Edric?

[Glass]

found it on google books. I closed the link sorry. I got it to PDF. 8Mb size

my mistake. I didn't find a way to download that one from gbooks.

this was the one I reviewed (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=UV5MAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA316&lpg=PA316&dq=Lothar+and+Edric&source=bl&ots=KkZCuKhhmH&sig=s8LUh8KzvyoF99P0L0OYhRaIm54&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zYbtUr2WJcHIkwX4k4CoBA&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA)

but there is another one by them incorporating Wales (http://books.google.com.au/books?id=9FBDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=Lothar+and+Edric&source=bl&ots=vuQL8MwrXD&sig=I3SZozZ8qJhani0Jni9ZIfiudZ4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zYbtUr2WJcHIkwX4k4CoBA&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg) and I have not looked at that one. It looks more likely to be the one referenced.

[Hitch]

It is a prime word ripe for definition. What do you think it means?

To me it sounds like asinine. Aghenhine, Asinine. Perhaps that is the problem, it's association with like minded words. We could really take this problem and expand it across the forum.

[Glass]

The books referenced by palani are actually very interesting. They contain a lot of information about common (customary) law of the anglo saxons, visigoths romans and some other cultures. Who had the most influence, which is the anglo saxons of course. It talks of Freemen, who they are and how they be. Fealty and allegiances. How armies are raised according to the size of the territory. A soul-dier is due for every X amount of acres of territory. The concept of allodis title (allodal) and how it expanded its benefits even more over time to its holders. Marriage, crimes and punishments. Lots of very interesting historical practices which you can sometimes recognise in things we do today. Some of these things we still do so their origins are ancient.

so no not asinine.

[mick silver]

after i seen this i made all my guests leave . then i called all to tell them not to come over for the game .

[Glass]

Been trying to think of the other thing that grabbed me about those books. There was a discussion about what the word Commonwealth meant. It means much more than we think in term of freedom. I need to post the quote.

[palani]

I need to post the quote. Post #5?

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[Glass]

doh thanks

[ximmy]

Hast thou found honey? eat so much as is sufficient for thee, lest thou be filled therewith, and vomit it. Withdraw thy foot from thy neighbour's house; lest he be weary of thee, and so hate thee. (Proverbs 25:16)