climate change

[mick silver]

climate change http://www.usatoday.com/topic/5e28ddaf-145d-4eb7-9f85-abda05e32ffc/climate-change/

[Neuro]

Repeat a lie until it is accepted as true?

[Glass]

yes amazing stuff. The climate changes every day. Every day it's different and I DONT LIKE IT.

Also I notice on there that they are making plastic from pollution. So you can make pollution from pollution. Thats cool man.

[palani]

"Climate change" is a word construction. Climate by itself means the angle of the sun rays incident upon the earth. Change by itself means something different has occurred. The definition of the word construction "climate change" means "mans effect upon the environment" which of course has nothing to do with the definition of either of these two words.

Entire volumes have been written on analysis of these word constructions complete with references to the courts where these meanings have been decided.

Other word constructions are

Subject to the payment of rent

Summit of a mountain

Taxes and other public dues

The dangers of the river excepted

Therefore the defendant is indebted

Unavoidable accident

Friggin' tree huggers [ok .. made this one up]

[mick silver]

seen this this morning they keep coming up with more stuff .Arctic's 'Layer Cake' Atmosphere Blamed for Rapid Warminghttp://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Z5.JelXUZ8zWnC6p4xZ8fQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9Zml0O2g9Mjc-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/logo/livescience/livesci_logo_73.jpg (http://www.livescience.com/)By By Becky Oskin, Staff Writer | LiveScience.com – 22 hrs ago



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The Arctic is leading a race with few winners, warming twice as fast as the rest of the Earth. Loss of snow and ice, which reflect the sun's energy, is usually blamed for the Arctic temperature spike.
But a new study suggests the Arctic's (http://www.livescience.com/topics/arctic/) cap of cold, layered air plays a more important role in boosting polar warming than does its shrinking ice and snow cover. A layer of shallow, stagnant air acts like a lid, concentrating heat near the surface, researchers report today (Feb. 2) in the journal Nature Geoscience.
"In the Arctic, as the climate warms, most of the additional heat remains trapped in a shallow layer of the atmosphere close to the ground, not deeper than 1 or 2 kilometers [0.6 to 1.2 miles]," said Felix Pithan, a climate scientist at the Max Planck Institute for Meteorology in Germany and lead author of the new study.
"[This] makes the Arctic surface rather inefficient at getting rid of extra energy, and therefore it warms more than other regions when the entire planet is warming," Pithan told Live Science.
The Arctic atmosphere looks like a layer cake compared with the tropics. In those regions, thunderstorms carry heat from the surface miles upward, where it then radiates out into space. But in the Arctic, air and heat at the surface rarely mix with air located high in the atmosphere, Pithan said.
"The Arctic atmosphere is much more inefficient than the tropics at getting rid of that extra energy," he said.
This pattern also helps explain why the Arctic warming (http://www.livescience.com/40676-arctic-temperatures-record-high.html) signal is stronger in winter, Pithan said. During that season, the Arctic air mixes less than in the summer, because of cold temperatures and inversion layers — places where air temperature increases with height, instead of the other way around.
Feedback loops
Pithan and co-author Thorsten Mauritsen tested air layering and many other Arctic climate feedback effects using sophisticated climate computer models. On a regional scale, climate feedback effects can amplify or dampen the global warming caused by greenhouse gases.
In the Arctic, one familiar feedback effect is sea ice albedo, which measures how well the Earth's surface reflects sunlight. Snow-covered ice reflects up to 85 percent of sunlight. But the Arctic sea ice has hit near-record minimums (http://www.livescience.com/23405-arctic-sea-ice-record-low.html) of sea ice since 2002, meaning the ocean is absorbing more sunlight, and heat, than it used to, leading to more ice melt.
The ice-albedo effect was the second most important contributor to Arctic warming, according to the study.
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[Glass]

But a new study suggests the Arctic's (http://www.livescience.com/topics/arctic/) cap of cold, layered air plays a more important role in boosting polar warming than does its shrinking ice and snow cover. A layer of shallow, stagnant air acts like a lid, concentrating heat near the surface, researchers report today (Feb. 2) in the journal Nature Geoscience. [Images of Melt: Earth's Vanishing Ice (http://www.livescience.com/25120-melt-images-vanishing-polar-ice.html)]

They should spray something on that. Some kind of aerosol maybe? Fix it right up.

[mick silver]

i have alway wonder why they are up there with icebreaker ship breaking the ice up . some thing just dont add up

[Horn]

yes amazing stuff. The climate changes every day. Every day it's different and I DONT LIKE IT.

Also I notice on there that they are making plastic from pollution. So you can make pollution from pollution. Thats cool man.

There is enough petroleum byproduct left in the world after refining to gasoline,

that the human race could consume plastics and live for an eternity.

[Horn]

i have alway wonder why there are up there with icebreaker ship breaking the ice up . some thing just dont add up

Washington, Alaska senators pave way for 4 new icebreakers

Four U.S. senators from Washington and Alaska have banded together to push for construction of four heavy-duty icebreakers, a move that would triple the Coast Guard’s current Seattle-based fleet

WASHINGTON — The four U.S. senators from Washington and Alaska are seeking to authorize construction of as many as four new heavy-duty icebreakers, vastly expanding the Coast Guard’s beleaguered Seattle-based icebreaker fleet.
But with a price tag of $850 million or more per vessel, the odds of Congress going along seem about as good as a snowball’s chance in the warming polar climate.

A report commissioned (http://assets.fiercemarkets.com/public/sites/govit/hlssummarycapstone.pdf) in 2010 by the Coast Guard said the service would need six heavy and four medium icebreakers to meet its mission. Until last December, the Coast Guard had one operating icebreaker, the medium-duty Healy, which is primarily used for research activities in the Arctic.


http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022357413_polaricebreakersxml.html

[mick silver]

why build icebreakers when there no f...ing ice , remember there no ice senators , it called global warming are did they just lie to me again

[mick silver]

maybe like the stuff i see here almost everyday now ............
They should spray something on that. Some kind of aerosol maybe? Fix it right up.

[Neuro]

i have alway wonder why there are up there with icebreaker ship breaking the ice up . some thing just dont add up
Breaking up the ice makes it melt quicker, and then you have global warming. Bingo!

[Horn]

Polar bears don't dig ice breakers.

Published on Sep 29, 2013


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm_k3TlbCVM

[mick silver]

i just wish people would ask half the stuff we all do here . it make no sence breaking up the ice

[Horn]

i just wish people would ask half the stuff we all do here . it make no sence breaking up the ice

They are printing cents not making it,,,

[palani]

Where there is a problem there is likely going to be an opportunity to spend money to combat the problem.

http://www.theverge.com/2014/2/5/5382998/us-government-announces-climate-change-regional-hubs

The US will build regional 'hubs' to combat the impacts of climate change


The Obama administration is pushing ahead with its vow to mitigate the effects of climate change. Today, the US government announced plans to create seven "climate hubs" that will offer information and resources to communities in rural regions across the country.

Specific details on the hubs are slim for now, but each one will be tailored to a specific region's climate-related challenges — such as water shortages, forest fires, pests, or floods. The hubs, which will be overseen by the US Department of Agriculture, are largely zeroing in on farming and ranching. In a statement, Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack noted that the hubs will help ensure that "agricultural leaders have the modern technologies and tools they need to adapt and succeed in the face of a changing climate."

""Adapt and succeed in the face of a changing climate.""

The hubs will be located in New Hampshire, North Carolina, Iowa, Colorado, Oklahoma, Oregon, and New Mexico. Smaller hubs (referred to by officials as "sub hubs") will be developed in additional states including California and Michigan. Each hub will conduct research on region-specific risks of climate change, and then offer guidance to locals on how best to address these environmental changes.

The announcement comes on the heels of Obama's remarks at the State of the Union, where he stated that "climate change is a fact" and vowed to introduce new initiatives that bypassed Congressional approval. It also follows an executive order, issued late last year, directing government agencies to develop plans for managing climate change. And, as recent years indicate, these hubs are sorely needed: between 2011 and 2013, the US government estimates that drought cost the economy $50 billion, largely in agricultural losses.

[Horn]

Third Coldest Winter On Record So Far In The US (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/third-coldest-winter-on-record-so-far-in-the-us/)

Posted on February 16, 2014 (http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/02/16/third-coldest-winter-on-record-so-far-in-the-us/)

If February ended today, this would be the third coldest winter on record in the US, after 1979 and 1899.

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[mick silver]

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[Sparky]

"Climate change" is a word construction. Climate by itself means the angle of the sun rays incident upon the earth. Change by itself means something different has occurred. The definition of the word construction "climate change" means "mans effect upon the environment" which of course has nothing to do with the definition of either of these two words.
...
The Greek origin klima means slope, which in the context of the word climate, is referring to the angle of the sun's incident rays. But that doesn't meant that climate means the same as klima. Words evolve; climate has evolved to mean a stable characterization of weather over a long period of time. Nothing in the words climate or change imply man's effects. Climate changes with our without man's effects.

[palani]

Climate changes with our without man's effects.

Constructions are part of law. Volumes are written deciding what combinations of words mean. For a few that were determined prior to 1856 go here http://www.constitution.org/bouv/bouvier_c.htm and scroll down to 'construction'.

".... from given circumstances, upon principles deduced from men's general motives, conduct and action."

[Horn]

The Greek origin klima means slope,

clima is the weather here.

When I climb further up the mountain its like air conditioning.

[palani]

clima is the weather here.

When I climb further up the mountain its like air conditioning.

Standard lapse rate is 7.8 degrees F per 1000 feet. This information can help tell you where the base of clouds begins if you know what the current temperature and dewpoint is.

[Horn]

This information can help tell you where the base of clouds begins

Or how high the hot air will rise where you reside.

[singular_me]

I already posted it last week, dont ask me where... here I go again, posting it for the newbies and those who missed it


it is a radio show (good for slow connections)... since everything in the
news works in reverse, the info is surely worth listening.
John Casey: Myth of Global Warming, the Coming Real Cataclysmic Ice Age

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwKtCJIVHK4

[Cebu_4_2]

From the above youtube description:


Published on Sep 22, 2013

Former White House space program advisor and consultant to NASA, John Casey, systematically debunks the propaganda-driven myth of runaway global warming and explains why he, along with many of the world's top scientists, agree that Earth is on the brink of a cataclysmic ice age that will result in massive food shortages and social upheaval.

Book: Cold Sun
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1426... (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1426967918/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1426967918&linkCode=as2&tag=libert0f-20)

Climate change has been a perplexing problem for years. In Cold Sun, author John L. Casey, a former White House national space policy advisor, N.A.S.A. headquarters consultant, and space shuttle engineer tells the truth about ominous changes taking place in the climate and the Sun. Casey's research into the Sun's activity, which began four years ago, resulted in discovery of a solar cycle that is now reversing from its global warming phase to that of dangerous global cooling for the next thirty years or more. This new cold climate will dramatically impact the world's citizens. In Cold Sun, he provides evidence of the following: • The end of global warming • The beginning of a "solar hibernation," a historic reduction in the energy output of the Sun • A long-term drop in the Earth's temperatures • The start of the next climate change to decades of dangerously cold weather • The high probability of record earthquakes and volcanic eruptions A sobering look at the Earth's future, Cold Sun predicts worldwide, crop-destroying cold; food shortages and riots in the United States and abroad; significant global loss of life; and social, political, and economic upheaval.

[monty]

This was posted inn2010 . . . . . . . . .




WORLDNETDAILY EXCLUSIVE
NEW ICE AGE 'TO BEGIN IN 2014'
Russian scientist to alarmists: 'Sun heats Earth!'
Published: 05/17/2010 at 8:42 PM
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Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2010/05/155225/#bK6rgrlbdcixcWBS.99

CHICAGO – A new “Little Ice Age” could begin in just four years, predicted Habibullo Abdussamatov, the head of space research at St. Petersburg’s Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia.

Abdussamatov was speaking yesterday at the Heartland Institute‘s Fourth International Conference on Climate Change in Chicago, which began Sunday and ends today.


The Little Ice Age, which occurred after an era known in scientific circles as the Medieval Warm Period, is typically defined as a period of about 200 years, beginning around 1650 and extending through 1850.

Be the first to see the full documentation of how your life could be changed by climate-related laws, taxes and regulations, in “Climategate”

In the first of a two-part video WND recorded at the conference, Abdussamatov explained that average annual sun activity has experienced an accelerated decrease since the 1990s. In 2005-2008, he said, the earth reached the maximum of the recent observed global-warming trend.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2010/05/155225/#Upx53pUB7siiGUq1.99

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[mick silver]

i have never seen snow on the ground for almost two months this winter here . i have talk with a few old timers and they have never seen this before so could we be seeing a new ice age starting

[palani]

If the heat doesn't get you the cold will.


One fist of iron, the other of steel
If the right one don't a-get you
Then the left one will

[mick silver]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Industry groups and Republican-led states are heading an attack at the Supreme Court against the Obama administration's sole means of trying to limit power-plant and factory emissions of gases blamed for global warming.
As President Barack Obama pledges to act on environmental and other matters when Congress doesn't, or won't, opponents of regulating carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases cast the rule as a power grab of historic proportions.
The court is hearing arguments Monday about a small but important piece of the Environmental Protection Agency's plans to cut the emissions — a requirement that companies expanding industrial facilities or building new ones that would increase overall pollution must also evaluate ways to reduce the carbon they release.
Environmental groups and even some of their opponents say that whatever the court decides, EPA still will be able to move forward with broader plans to set emission standards for greenhouse gases for new and existing power plants.
But a court ruling against EPA almost undoubtedly would be used to challenge every step of the agency's effort to deal with climate change, said Jacob Hollinger, a partner with the McDermott Will and Emery law firm in New York and a former EPA lawyer.
"Will they be successful? We don't know yet," Hollinger said. "But it would be an important victory in a political sense and, potentially, a practical sense."
Republicans have objected strenuously to the administration's decision to push ahead with the regulations after Congress failed to pass climate legislation, and after the administration of President George W. Bush resisted such steps. Both sides agree that it would have been better to deal with climate change through legislation than regulation.
In 2012, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit concluded that the EPA was "unambiguously correct" in using existing federal law to address global warming.
Monday's case, for which the court has expanded argument time to 90 minutes from the usual 60, stems from the high court's 2007 ruling in Massachusetts v. EPA, which said the agency has the authority under the Clean Air Act to limit emissions of greenhouse gases from vehicles.
Two years later, with Obama in office, the EPA concluded that the release of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases endangered human health and welfare. The administration used that finding to extend its regulatory reach beyond automobiles and develop national standards for large stationary sources. Of those, electric plants are the largest source of emissions.
The administration has proposed first-time national standards for new power plants and expects to propose regulations for existing plants this summer. It will then move on to other large stationary sources such as factories.
In the meantime, the only way EPA can compel companies to address global warming pollution is through a permitting program that requires them to analyze the best available technologies to reduce carbon dioxide, the chief greenhouse gas.
The utility industry, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and 13 states led by Texas are asking the court to rule that the EPA overstepped its authority by trying to regulate greenhouse gas emissions through the permitting program.
The EPA's actions "represent one of the boldest seizures of legislative authority by an executive agency in history," Peter Keisler, representing the American Chemistry Council among two dozen manufacturing and industry groups that want the court to throw out the rule, said in court papers.
When the Supreme Court considered the appeals in October, the justices declined requests to consider overruling the court's 2007 decision, review the EPA's conclusion about the health effects of greenhouse gas emissions or question limits on vehicle emissions.
Instead, the court focused on the permitting program, which EPA has said it would apply for the time being only to the largest emitters of greenhouse gases.
The relatively narrow question framed by the court has led environmental advocates to minimize the case's significance.
"Twice, the Supreme Court has affirmed the EPA's authority to regulate climate pollution," said Vickie Patton, general counsel for the Environmental Defense Fund. Patton was referring to the 2007 decision and the court's 2011 decision that said only EPA, not states and conservation groups, could seek cuts in power plant emissions.
In addition to environmental groups, New York, California, Illinois and a dozen other states are supporting the administration, along with the American Thoracic Society, which filed a brief detailing the health costs of climate change.
Also in support of the regulation is Calpine Corp., which operates natural gas and geothermal power plants around the nation. Calpine said it has gone through the permitting program six times and found it "neither overly burdensome nor unworkable."
Looking at the same program, the Chamber of Commerce said it "may be the costliest, most intrusive regulatory program the nation has yet seen."
Like most environmental disputes, the current case is certainly complicated, if not bewildering.
Confusion figured in one of the court's most significant decisions, written by Justice John Paul Stevens in 1984, giving EPA and other federal agencies wide latitude to come up with rules that put meat on the bones of congressional enactments.
"When I am so confused, I go with the agency," Stevens told his colleagues, according to notes taken by Justice Harry Blackmun and contained in the papers that were made public a few years after Blackmun's death.

[Hypertiger]

http://hypertiger.blogspot.ca/2014/01/forget-privacy.html

1941-1971 Spring

1971-2001 Summer

2001-now Fall

2001-2008 Indian summer where the climate change from global warming or summer into the climate change of the fall into winter or global cooling took place.

2031 is where winter official begins

But the current trend looks to be headed to 2021...that is where the low point of this current solar cycle will be reached...from 2016 to 2020 is the end of the current solar cycle.

2021-2031 is the end of the fall and beginning of the winter...where yields will be impossible to obtain.

The end of the 1944 Bretton woods global trade system.

[Horn]

i have never seen snow on the ground for almost two months this winter here . i have talk with a few old timers and they have never seen this before so could we be seeing a new ice age starting

Looks like there's at least one more wave of cold and snow coming for early next week.

If there's another after that...