anybody hear about tulving?

[chad]

their website looks fine, and i can't find anything on the web, however...

joe, eric, and g love on the patriot radio news hour have been talking friday and yesterday about tulving being caught by the state of ca. apparently he has been running a ponzi scheme the whole time. apparently he would take people's money one month and use that to buy product for the people waiting from the month before that. he was constantly a month behind. according to the show, it caught up with him last week when he couldn't get product anymore and the scheme collapsed. they said the state is going after him and shutting him down and lots of people will never get their product. they were telling people to stop calling them, they don't know tulving, and to contact the state of cs attorney general about it, so it seems like a legit story.

seems weird though, his site is still up and all, and i can't find anything online about it.

anybody hear anything? if so, huge for tulving to default and not be able to get product.

[mick silver]

their site is up an running

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I never bought from them because their site looks like it was hosted on Geocities. Very cheesy and unprofessional.

[Horn]

I never bought from them because their site looks like it was hosted on Geocities. Very cheesy and unprofessional.

I remember the site and never purchased as it appeared he was trying to be a dealer to dealers with leaning towards bulk and volume orders.

Guess they were trying to make something from nothing?

Note: Gold slides $10 on the news that gold is unavailable.

[chad]

their site is up an running

yeah, that's what i found odd.

[Twisted Titan]

I never dealt with him.

But i think him and Ross Hansen were twins seperated at birth.

[Neuro]

Note: Gold slides $10 on the news that gold is unavailable.Of course! What was volume like?

[Horn]

What was volume like?

I remember looking at him when Silver was $7 or so, maybe that was why.

His premium was much higher than anyone else on anything under a 100oz. but better deals on anything around a 1000 back then.

[woodman]

I never dealt with Tulving. For years it has been alleged that this is exactly what he was doing because of the extreme wait time for people to get the bullion they ordered.

[Twisted Titan]

I never dealt with Tulving. For years it has been alleged that this is exactly what he was doing because of the extreme wait time for people to get the bullion they ordered.


Their is no reason for a delay if you only sell what you have.

But like all men the urge to profit at the expense of remaing honest is just to burdensome to bear.

[horseshoe3]

If he had just borrowed from the banksters instead of his customers, it would have been called a business loan and everything would have been fine. Fact is, this is exactly how the majority of businesses operate - always one month behind. The only reason they didn't like him is because he sells gold and didn't (I assume) pay interest to the banksters.

[chad]

looks like it's true.

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/hannes-tulving

[BrewTech]

looks like it's true.

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/hannes-tulving

FTC investigating Tulving and PCGS... not a peep when it comes to the Morgue manipulating an entire market.

[Hitch]

looks like it's true.

http://articles.latimes.com/keyword/hannes-tulving

Chad, those articles date back to 1990.

[chad]

oh crap, didn't see that. well, i'll keep looking then...

[chad]

apparently kitco is worried:

https://www.kitcomm.com/showthread.php?t=129929

[Horn]

This guy seemed on the ball, or not.



September 20, 2013 - 10:55am#1 (http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/forum/5076/tulving-warning)

Hannes Tulving of tulving.com has had over $200K of my money for over five (5) months, has not shipped my orders, will not provide a full refund, and will not communicate about the matter. The public deserves to know his business may be turning into a ponzi scheme funding his retirement.



http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/forum/5076/tulving-warning

[mick silver]

horn i just want my paper back thats all .............. i placed a good size order Northwest Territorial Mint
and did not sleep for 2 months but i did get what i order . thats when alot of poster at the old gim were talking about how bad ntm was and people not getting there order filled

[Horn]

horn i just want my paper back thats all .............. with Northwest Territorial Mint

i place a good size order there and i didnt sleep for 2 months , but i did get what i order ....

At last you made it through the boating accident that occurred a while ago onboard Hitcher's old boat.

Only he knows the coordinates of where that happened, go talk to him...

[mick silver]

i like they bars at ntm . but dealing with them take way to long for me .fohttp://bullion.nwtmint.com/images/silver/100-oz-nwtmint-silver-bar_detail.jpg

[mick silver]

horn this is were my silver ended up , wish i had not went that wayhttp://cdn.damninteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/quicksand.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=TIrBRi1tTB7tvM&tbnid=DPx5FLYMqT1r2M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Di%26r ct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dimages%26cd%3D %26docid%3DTIrBRi1tTB7tvM%26tbnid%3DDPx5FLYMqT1r2M %3A%26ved%3D0CAUQjRw%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fww w.damninteresting.com%252Fthe-physics-of-quicksand%252F%26ei%3DDiHxUsaSDcPeoATDtYDoBg%26bvm %3Dbv.60444564%2Cd.cGU%26psig%3DAFQjCNGhpK9gPxeyz7 yMJV1dP1t3oPn-2A%26ust%3D1391620740199822&ei=DiHxUsaSDcPeoATDtYDoBg&bvm=bv.60444564,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNGhpK9gPxeyz7yMJV1dP1t3oPn-2A&ust=1391620740199822)https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSo9VPlxtI9gCdZ5-TYmTUiKf-X729dDtUhzu25GtENNNXiJuiA

[Horn]

horn this is were my silver ended up , wish i had not went that wayhttp://cdn.damninteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/01/quicksand.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&docid=TIrBRi1tTB7tvM&tbnid=DPx5FLYMqT1r2M:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Furl%3Fsa%3Di%26r ct%3Dj%26q%3D%26esrc%3Ds%26source%3Dimages%26cd%3D %26docid%3DTIrBRi1tTB7tvM%26tbnid%3DDPx5FLYMqT1r2M %3A%26ved%3D0CAUQjRw%26url%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fww w.damninteresting.com%252Fthe-physics-of-quicksand%252F%26ei%3DDiHxUsaSDcPeoATDtYDoBg%26bvm %3Dbv.60444564%2Cd.cGU%26psig%3DAFQjCNGhpK9gPxeyz7 yMJV1dP1t3oPn-2A%26ust%3D1391620740199822&ei=DiHxUsaSDcPeoATDtYDoBg&bvm=bv.60444564,d.cGU&psig=AFQjCNGhpK9gPxeyz7yMJV1dP1t3oPn-2A&ust=1391620740199822)

There should be a law against you putting punji stakes around your silver after telling me where it is. :)

[StreetsOfGold]

Someone I know (not me) bought a couple of monster boxes and some gold back towards the end of summer. (2013)
The next day they did not receive their shipment. After waiting a a few days made contact and was given excuses.
Fast forward to last month. Shipment STILL NOT RECEIVED

What they did was buy a bank of pre-made phone calls, a service which calls a phone number for you with a pre-recorded message
They had their number called every minute with a message concerning this order.

Well, guess what? It worked. The shipment of monster boxes came in and a week or so later the gold.

Interesting note on the AE Gold, the dates were from 2010. That tells me that they did not get them from the mint

[ximmy]

http://about.ag/tulving.htm

NEW WARNING On January 31, 2014 we discovered 2 reports that The Tulving Company did not ship orders by the dates promised to the BBB. In other words, The Tulving Company delayed thes orders for 3-5 months, and the customers complained to the BBB -- at which point, The Tulving Company promised to deliver them by a specific date, but failed to. This is important because of the way that The Tulving Company has been handling complaints. They respond to the BBB or BCA with the date (in the future) that they will ship, rather than responding after they have shipped. As a result, we have to trust that they will ship when promised (funny, huh?).
However, their apparent inability to ship the product when promised to the BBB suggests that they may have surpassed the limit of what they can send out (in other words, money coming in from new orders is even less than expected).

Quick Note/Disclaimer This page has just received a lot of press starting January 27 (the page was first put online in October), including many sites providing a warning of how Tulving's reputation has changed. To clarify: the about.ag website is designed to be a source of truth for silver (and gold) investors. We do not have any direct connections with any bullion dealers. I (the maintainer of this page) have done business with The Tulving Company in the past, had excellent results, and have recommended him to many people over the years. In other words, I'm close to an impartial observer.
It is my belief is that Mr. Tulving is trying to make good for his customers, but is simply unable to. I have just reached out to Mr. Tulving, and would be happy to work with him in finding the best solution for everyone involved.

Summary Hannes Tulving, Jr., owner of The Tulving Company, currently has outstanding orders estimated at as much as $300,000,000 (but in reality likely much lower). It appears that he currently is only able to ship out about $1M of orders per week (every Friday), presumably using money from new orders. According to information from The Tulving Company, it appears that he has taken over $500,000,000 of orders illegally (knowing they would not be delivered within 30 days, violating the FTC Mail Order Rule, CA law, and his FTC consent decree) since April, 2013. The 370+ complaints we have tracked are all the same: people order, they call to check on the order, are given the run-around (they have an 'unusually high volume of orders', shipping limits, etc.), and never get their order. We have not heard of a single person ordering from Tulving since April, 2013 who has received their order in less than 30 days.
We also have a list of the 370+ complaints here (http://about.ag/data/csv/TulvingComplaints.htm).

[Twisted Titan]

Someone I know (not me) bought a couple of monster boxes and some gold back towards the end of summer. (2013)
The next day they did not receive their shipment. After waiting a a few days made contact and was given excuses.
Fast forward to last month. Shipment STILL NOT RECEIVED

What they did was buy a bank of pre-made phone calls, a service which calls a phone number for you with a pre-recorded message
They had their number called every minute with a message concerning this order.

Well, guess what? It worked. The shipment of monster boxes came in and a week or so later the gold.

Interesting note on the AE Gold, the dates were from 2010. That tells me that they did not get them from the mint



Buy a bank of pre recorded calls?

I never heard about this but it sounds interesting!

[Twisted Titan]

Whats really spooky silver and gold are in the absolute doldrums and this thief is buckling under pressure

Whats going to happen when silver and gold take out alltime highs.




Lots of people are going to windup in dumpsters with missing appendages so they wont be identifiable.

[pioneer]

Lots of people are going to windup in dumpsters with missing appendages so they wont be identifiable. is the head an "appendage?" (dental ID)

fwiw, what's with the spike in viewing in the general discussion category? it was over 500 most day yesterday. today, pretty consistently 1000-1100 viewing at any one time.

did anyone see the headsup on feds busting 2 bitcoin dealers arresting them this morning? the story broke about 2am i think.

[mick silver]

twisted i stop some time ago ordering silver are gold from dealer i had to wait on . now i call the silver and gold shop in a big town i know of and if he has what i want i jump in my truck with my brother as back up so when i come out of the place if stuff dont look right he is there . also pay in only cash now . i got some of those 5 oz bars last week that look like loafs of bread for 50cent over spot not to bad ...

[gunDriller]

the MSM loves stories like this.

Precious Metals are extremely volatile, coin dealers can't be trusted, half of them are conspiracy theorists ... etc.