Where Does Freedom Exist?

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oPvAbP5DZ0

"Where does Freedom exist?

The ONLY thing that matters about Freedom is where it exists, and it can ONLY exist in one single place."

[Ponce]

I would say that with the Indians in the Amazon because they have no real laws but only directives.......the more laws that you have the less free that you are.......the weight of all the laws books in the US alone could squash you to death.
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[Hatha Sunahara]

The next most important question is Why have so many people allowed freedom to disappear from that one place?


Hatha

[Bigjon]

The next most important question is Why have so many people allowed freedom to disappear from that one place?


Hatha

I think most people believe they are free.

They don't have an objective test that shows them they are slaves.

[Sparky]

The next most important question is Why have so many people allowed freedom to disappear from that one place?


Hatha

Because that's where the battle has been fought.

[palani]

Every contract you engage in restricts your freedom slightly. The more you engage in contracts the less freedom you have.

[Horn]

Next you'll come along with a suitcase and song,

imagine a world without the social contract of marriage, Mr. Sui Lennon Juris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSsYIdskQ1U

[palani]

imagine a world without the social contract of marriage

Do you honestly believe a marriage contract EXPANDS or ENHANCES your freedom?

[iOWNme]

The next most important question is Why have so many people allowed freedom to disappear from that one place?


Hatha

I honestly dont think that freedom has 'disappeared' from the minds of the people. Its just that a massive LIE has been placed on top of it. If people can remove just that one lie, everyone already has everything they need to live peacefully with one another. It is the lie that makes us behave like violent animals.

The good news is the world isnt full of a bunch of nasty evil people. Its full of good natured well intentioned people who believe a lie: The belief in 'Authority' and that it is a virtue to obey it.

Compare the lie to the flat earth example. The truth was always right there, and there was always evidence pointing towards it. It just took a small minority of people to see the lie and point it out to everyone else, and POOF! No more flat earth belief system.

[palani]

No more flat earth belief system.

Some people believe astronauts have walked on the moon. There are a number of nay-sayers who point to lack of twinkling stars, flags that wave in a vacuum, shadows, van allen belt problems, etc. All these deflect any truth-seeker from discovering the sole real fact that prohibits man from walking on the moon:

THERE IS NO MOON!!!

[mick silver]

but the moon was bright last night

[Hatha Sunahara]

I honestly dont think that freedom has 'disappeared' from the minds of the people. Its just that a massive LIE has been placed on top of it. If people can remove just that one lie, everyone already has everything they need to live peacefully with one another. It is the lie that makes us behave like violent animals.

The good news is the world isnt full of a bunch of nasty evil people. Its full of good natured well intentioned people who believe a lie: The belief in 'Authority' and that it is a virtue to obey it.

Compare the lie to the flat earth example. The truth was always right there, and there was always evidence pointing towards it. It just took a small minority of people to see the lie and point it out to everyone else, and POOF! No more flat earth belief system.

You are so right, Mr. iOWNme. From a different thread I posted yesterday, I found a link to a book that exposes that lie and the whole strategy and tactics of the 'authority' that is the genesis of the lie to which you refer. You might find this book quite riveting. It's called The End of All Evil. You can download it here:

http://api.ning.com/files/DGhaQe0o0DSznWf1fMIv37UiQ5B9*FDTYdFjPrdcGmzLxmE9NJ z3-uNZT7vxt7WpFU7lGzLmojK5QDtG4NmNXK*MJMjPW3w8/EndofallEvil.pdf

This gets to the heart of everything you have ever posted here at GSUS. The book posits that the lie is manifested in all culture and in all laws, and that is how it is transmitted to us. I think most of us at some very deep level suspect that 'laws' (as in statutes) are completely devoid of moral content. I have had that distinct sense since I was a small child. But culture? People don't suspect that their culture is a transmission vehicle for some really powerful lies. It's true. What they teach you in school is 'conformity and obedience'. Conformity deals with culture, obedience deals with laws. Real laws are 'Common Law' something that is long dead in America. The lies of authority have put legislated laws in the same league with real laws in the minds of most people, and that is where the lie exists.

This book is dense with truth. Read it at your own risk.



Hatha

[mick silver]

Faith is the courage to test ideas for truth. With faith, people
discover whether ideas are true or false. With faith, people learn
principles.
People use faith to take steps in testing principles. We often
fail, but we always learn.
Imagine walking over a rocky surface. Perhaps you expect that
the surface is solid and will not shift. If you expected firm
ground, but found movement, you may stumble. When the ideas
you are testing are wrong, your test will fail. Your intelligence
helps you to adjust your thinking to better understand the
principles of walking. You learn to control your balance in spite
of the difficult terrain. You use faith to test your new
understanding, and soon can traverse successfully and quickly.
You are mastering principles.................... DangerThere are people who would destroy your freedom. They want
to control you so that you cannot become the person you want to
be. In order to control you, they use force to take away the
liberty that you were born with.
You must never underestimate the prowess or cruelty of evil
people. Evil will confiscate money, destroy virtue and spill
blood. Most people are not evil; most people try to create and
not to destroy. However, evil people do exist and they are
extremely dangerous.
They are called authority...................................There is no authority on earth that can rightfully govern yourlife.
Born to this world, you and you alone control your eyes, your
ears, your tongue, your hands and your mind. All authority
which claims to be able to dispose of you and your abilities is
deceit.
You were born to this world so that you might have the free
agency of life. Life is liberty. With liberty and faith in this
world, you can learn and do anything. Anyone who tells you
that you must yield your mind, your body, or your possessions to
authority is evil.
Understand that choices made of your own free will are not
evil. There is nothing wrong with sacrifice, if it is made
willingly. But sacrifice without choice is not sacrifice, it is
slavery. Authority always places demands on people by force.
Authority never asks permission.

[Horn]

Do you honestly believe a marriage contract EXPANDS or ENHANCES your freedom?

What is life without death? :)

[palani]

but the moon was bright last night

Are you sure what you saw were not photons from the Sun that had been reflected from a giant mirror?

[palani]

What is life without death? :)

Longer?

[Horn]

Longer?

That's what she said, "the longer it is, the more freedom I feel"

You would not know the freedom of the uniform code lest you were a law abiding participatory citizen...

[mick silver]

Photons have no electric charge or rest mass and are the carriers of the electromagnetic field.

[palani]

That's what she said, "the longer it is, the more freedom I feel" Doesn't this depend upon what the word 'it' means?


You would not know the freedom of the uniform code lest you were a law abiding participatory citizen... Neither do I know the freedom within the Blue Moon Oyster Bar unless I were to voluntarily enter.

[Horn]

Neither do I know the freedom within the Blue Moon Oyster Bar

You've been caught up in there so long palani,

we'd rather think you've started to like it, and have completely forgotten hatching any escape plans for you. :)

[iOWNme]

You are so right, Mr. iOWNme. From a different thread I posted yesterday, I found a link to a book that exposes that lie and the whole strategy and tactics of the 'authority' that is the genesis of the lie to which you refer. You might find this book quite riveting. It's called The End of All Evil. You can download it here:

http://api.ning.com/files/DGhaQe0o0DSznWf1fMIv37UiQ5B9*FDTYdFjPrdcGmzLxmE9NJ z3-uNZT7vxt7WpFU7lGzLmojK5QDtG4NmNXK*MJMjPW3w8/EndofallEvil.pdf

This gets to the heart of everything you have ever posted here at GSUS. The book posits that the lie is manifested in all culture and in all laws, and that is how it is transmitted to us. I think most of us at some very deep level suspect that 'laws' (as in statutes) are completely devoid of moral content. I have had that distinct sense since I was a small child. But culture? People don't suspect that their culture is a transmission vehicle for some really powerful lies. It's true. What they teach you in school is 'conformity and obedience'. Conformity deals with culture, obedience deals with laws. Real laws are 'Common Law' something that is long dead in America. The lies of authority have put legislated laws in the same league with real laws in the minds of most people, and that is where the lie exists.

This book is dense with truth. Read it at your own risk.



Hatha


Thanks Hatha!

[iOWNme]

You are so right, Mr. iOWNme. From a different thread I posted yesterday, I found a link to a book that exposes that lie and the whole strategy and tactics of the 'authority' that is the genesis of the lie to which you refer. You might find this book quite riveting. It's called The End of All Evil. You can download it here:

http://api.ning.com/files/DGhaQe0o0DSznWf1fMIv37UiQ5B9*FDTYdFjPrdcGmzLxmE9NJ z3-uNZT7vxt7WpFU7lGzLmojK5QDtG4NmNXK*MJMjPW3w8/EndofallEvil.pdf

This gets to the heart of everything you have ever posted here at GSUS. The book posits that the lie is manifested in all culture and in all laws, and that is how it is transmitted to us. I think most of us at some very deep level suspect that 'laws' (as in statutes) are completely devoid of moral content. I have had that distinct sense since I was a small child. But culture? People don't suspect that their culture is a transmission vehicle for some really powerful lies. It's true. What they teach you in school is 'conformity and obedience'. Conformity deals with culture, obedience deals with laws. Real laws are 'Common Law' something that is long dead in America. The lies of authority have put legislated laws in the same league with real laws in the minds of most people, and that is where the lie exists.

This book is dense with truth. Read it at your own risk.



Hatha


Thanks again for that book! I have read about half of it and i really enjoyed it so far. I like how he focuses on Principle instead of Law. For without principle, all Law is EVIL.

The core of this book is this: Humans are amazing creatures and have infinite value.

"The definition of freedom is the infinite value of a human being. The definition of evil is the destruction of freedom."


Just more proof that freedom can only exist in 1 single place: Inside your own head.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Just more proof that freedom can only exist in 1 single place: Inside your own head.

If you let it.


Hatha

[mick silver]

The gap between your ears is more important than the one between your thighs

[singular_me]

before seeking where freedom may exist, it is important to know what Free Will is about... sentient beings have been created to learn this precisely. Free Will is what rules every level of creation. One has it or not... however, it comes before Freedom. Mind over Matter as always. Free Will is the Thinking, Freedom is the Action projected into the world.

good thread and sorry for making the topic even more complex :)

[iOWNme]

before seeking where freedom may exist, it is important to know what Free Will is about... sentient beings have been created to learn this precisely. Free Will is what rules every level of creation. One has it or not... however, it comes before Freedom. Mind over Matter as always. Free Will is the Thinking, Freedom is the Action projected into the world.

good thread and sorry for making the topic even more complex :)

Dont you have to understand freedom in order to use your free will?

The two seemed to be intertwined and inseparable, IMO.

This is the entire problem with the world: Hardly ANYONE uses their own conscience and their own free will, because they are not free inside their own head. This belief causes them to obey whatever perceived 'Authority' tells them, regardless of if they think it is wrong or not.


Freedom exists inside the mind. The system has covered up freedom with a lie. People who do not know they are already free will restrict themselves mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually.

[Horn]

good thread and sorry for making the topic even more complex :)

You're applying Einstein's relative theory to freedom?

Or you can not know where your freedom lies until you've been imprisoned, even before that we're all prisoners to a mortal coil.

Freedom does not exist in your mind or anywhere else.

It is escaped to and from .999 Unobtanium.

[iOWNme]

Freedom does not exist in my mind or anywhere else.



Fixed it for you.

Imprisoning your physical body has nothing to do with freedom, because freedom exists inside your mind. Now, would being locked in a cage be horrible? Of course it would. But what makes you who you are is not your height, weight, hair color or any other physical characteristic. The thing that makes you you, cannot be taken away, sold, transferred, stolen or imprisoned. UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO.

And since the system knows it cannot own that which makes you you, it relies on YOU to do it for them. Hence - Freedom can ONLY ever exist in 1 single place. Inside your own head.

[singular_me]

I have been struggling with egg chicken dilemmas quite often until recently. The Mind is what governs Matter. Everything comes out of God's Mind

The Mind to become Matter has divided Itself (thats why everything is Dual). So all our ills are Mind related. We merely are fractals of the Mind Universe and hence we do have God-like powers at our own level (physical dimension). If one is not free in the Mind, Enslavement will be the consequence.

The biggest problem is that everything needs to be experienced... otherwise there is no way to understand Freedom nor Free Will - without data and the right conclusions it is impossible to sort things out, which is a Mind process. And since education is a hoax.... here we are



Dont you have to understand freedom in order to use your free will?

The two seemed to be intertwined and inseparable, IMO.

This is the entire problem with the world: Hardly ANYONE uses their own conscience and their own free will, because they are not free inside their own head. This belief causes them to obey whatever perceived 'Authority' tells them, regardless of if they think it is wrong or not.


Freedom exists inside the mind. The system has covered up freedom with a lie. People who do not know they are already free will restrict themselves mentally, physically, emotionally and spiritually.

[singular_me]

Einstein is not much part of my reasoning, I think. :)

But I do reckon that there will always be a threat within every individual to enslave him/her to his/hers own Mind

Balancing oneself and no coercion are golden rules if one is serious about being free to start with



You're applying Einstein's relative theory to freedom?

Or you can not know where your freedom lies until you've been imprisoned, even before that we're all prisoners to a mortal coil.

Freedom does not exist in your mind or anywhere else.

It is escaped to and from .999 Unobtanium.

[Horn]

"Philosophically" speaking within the bounds of truth, no freedom does not exist.

In the context of some sort of Anarchist's gimmick video, it can be stated to be located with the trap of one's mind.

Between you and me, the definition of which takes written word and parchment. One thing is certain, you will always either tax or tithe, Social Outcast is the only choice in that matter, then death. Get adjusted to it.

[Horn]

Balancing oneself and no coercion are golden rules if one is serious about being free to start with

And now we're back to the marriage topic. :)

[Horn]

Freedom - Latin translated (Libertas)

Liber - free

tas - difficulty