THIS is how you take on a Corrupt Government:

[EE_]

I suppose the MSM is still calling this a "protest"? It's a fucking full on revolution!
Maybe this is the way to freedom that a gsus member has been preaching? First you free your mind...then kill the bastards?

THIS is how you take on a Corrupt Government: 5 Soldiers shot, 1 Cop shot dead, 37 Cops injured, 2 Cops held hostage as Kiev, Ukraine erupts for Freedom
Tuesday, 18 February 2014 11:50

February 18, 2014 -- (TRN) -- Showing the world exactly how to take-on a corrupt national government, the people of Kiev, Ukraine had to kick the crap out of their federal government today, demanding return of their freedom and their Constitution. As of moments ago, the toll of the fight is:

5 Soldiers Shot

1 Cop shot dead

37 Cops injured; two with broken bones

2 Cops held hostage

5 Civilian freedom fighters dead

150 Freedom Fighters injured.

Video below, from the scene, shows citizens hurling Molotov Cocktails at the government yes-men-police who long ago thought they could get away with ignoring the Constitution. As they burned from the gasoline thrown on them, the cops began to realize how wrong they've been.

Other video from the scene shows government trucks being confiscated by the crowd and rolled-into the police lines or set on fire.

This is what happens when government fails to obey the supreme law of the land. This is what happens when government thinks it can do whatever it wants.

Citizens in Kiev have obviously had enough of their public servants acting any way they damn well please.

Government folks worldwide would do well to take heed.

Government officials and workers need to remember the uniforms they wear, the buildings they work in, the vehicles they drive, the training they get, the equipment/weapons they are given, the salary they are paid, ALL COMES FROM US, THE PEOPLE.

Government has nothing without first taking taxes from the hard work of others. Government makes nothing without first taking taxes from the hard work of others. Government exists for the sole purpose of SERVING the citizens who created it.

Whenever any government starts thinking that they know better for "the People" than the people know for themselves, there's going to be trouble. Whenever any government starts acting like they can do whatever they want, to whomever they want, whenever they want, bloodshed will soon follow.

How many more times in history will scenes like those play-out before government workers realize they SERVE, they do not RULE?

Photos and video here: http://www.turnerradionetwork.com/news/299-pat

[mick silver]

i wonder how many there are CIA working to help this alone . i posted something about this the other day about how are goverment has there hands all over this and the russia telling our goverment to stop giving arms to them . i am not saying this is bad but we have been helping a whole lot around the world in the last few years ... http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35002/Ukraine-Leak-Reveals-Anglosphere-Directed-History/ But what makes this article worth analyzing is what it reveals about the way that Washington relates to the rest of the world. When we read this article and consider Victoria Nuland's statements it becomes clear that the US is intimately involved with every part of the Ukraine's rolling regime change. - See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35002/Ukraine-Leak-Reveals-Anglosphere-Directed-History/#sthash.kf6nBrHS.dpuf

[jimswift]

While I can totally appreciate the sentiment, I don't see it going down like that in the U.S..

[midnight rambler]

i wonder how many there are CIA working to help this alone . i posted something about this the other day about how are goverment has there hands all over this and the russia telling our goverment to stop giving arms to them . i am not saying this is bad but we have been helping a whole lot around the world in the last few years ... http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35002/Ukraine-Leak-Reveals-Anglosphere-Directed-History/ But what makes this article worth analyzing is what it reveals about the way that Washington relates to the rest of the world. When we read this article and consider Victoria Nuland's statements it becomes clear that the US is intimately involved with every part of the Ukraine's rolling regime change. - See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35002/Ukraine-Leak-Reveals-Anglosphere-Directed-History/#sthash.kf6nBrHS.dpuf

Yeah, have to wonder exactly who's astroturfing and stirring the shit.

[Ares]

While I can totally appreciate the sentiment, I don't see it going down like that in the U.S..

IF a large segment of the population showed up armed at a protest. It would get very ugly very quickly.

[Jewboo]

...it becomes clear that the US is intimately involved with every part of the Ukraine's rolling regime change.



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Boston, USA

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Every USA airport

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"Homeland Security" at Super Bowl 2014






Exactly. Ditto Libya and Syria. Jaw-dropping how America can point the finger at any leader of any country on Earth and and accuse them of being oppressive.



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[woodman]

I suppose the MSM is still calling this a "protest"? It's a fucking full on revolution!
Maybe this is the way to freedom that a gsus member has been preaching? First you free your mind...then kill the bastards?





















That about sums it up. In the end it is the only way they will listen; when they are forced to, by a pissed-off populace. First you have to educate the masses about how they are being raped. Everyone knows on some level that they are enslaved. They just need focus.

[mick silver]

Riot police in Ukraine move in against protest campRiot police in Ukraine move in against protest camp Published February 18, 2014FoxNews.com




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With stun grenades and water cannons, Ukrainian riot police moved in against a protest camp in Kiev's center Tuesday night after 13 people were killed in violent street protests.
A large section of the camp has been engulfed in flames as police advance on the demonstrators.
Six police officers were killed in the riots and 39 sustained gunshot wounds, Reuters reported.
Thousands of protesters had filled Independence Square just hours before, sensing that Ukraine's political standoff was reaching a critical turning point after the deadliest violence yet in nearly three months of protests that have paralyzed the capital and the nation.
Tents were seen going up in flames as defiant protesters shouted "Glory to Ukraine!"
Opposition leader Vitali Klitschko urged the protesters to defend the camp.
"We will not go anywhere from here," Klitschko told the crowd, speaking from a stage in the square as fires burned around him, releasing huge plumes of smoke into the night sky. "This is an island of freedom and we will defend it," he said.
Many heeded his call.
"This looks like a war against one's own people," said Dmytro Shulko, 35, who was heading toward the camp armed with a fire bomb. "But we will defend ourselves."
Clashes raged for several hours on outside the parliament building, where opposition lawmaker Lesya Orobets told Reuters that three demonstrators were killed and taken to a nearby officers' club used as a medical center. More than 100 people were injured, she said.
"Three bodies of our supporters are in the building. Another seven are close to dying (because of wounds)," she said on her Facebook page.
Two more bodies were lying in front of a Metro station on the side of the square, a photographer told Reuters.
Earlier in the day, protesters attacked police lines and set fires outside parliament, accused President Viktor Yanukovych's government of ignoring their demands once again.
As darkness fell, law enforcement agencies vowed to bring order to the streets and shut down subway stations in the capital. Thousands of protesters streamed to the square to defend the camp, where Orthodox priests prayed for peace.
In a joint statement with the interior ministry, The State Security Service (SBU), set protesters a 6 p.m. (1600 GMT) deadline to end street disorder or face "tough measures," Reuters reported.
"If by 6 p.m. the disturbances have not ended, we will be obliged to restore order by all means envisaged by law," the statement said
"We see that this regime again has begun shooting people; they want to sink Ukraine in blood. We will not give in to a single provocation," opposition leader Arseniy Yatsenyuk told the protesters. "We will not take one step back from this square. We have nowhere to retreat to. Ukraine is behind us, Ukraine's future is behind us."
The clashes dimmed hopes for an imminent solution to the political crisis and fueled tensions that began soaring following new steps by Russia and the European Union to gain influence over this former Soviet republic.
Earlier in the day, thousands of angry protesters shouting "Shame!" hurled stones at police and set trucks blocking their way on fire. Riot police retaliated with stun grenades and fired what appeared to be small metal balls, as smoke from burning tires and vehicles billowed over Kiev.
Olha Bilyk, spokeswoman for the Kiev city police, told The Associated Press that two policemen were killed, likely by gunshot wounds, in Tuesday's clashes and seven civilians died, including three who were shot.
In addition to the deaths, the Interior Ministry and medics for the protesters said 40 police and about 150 protesters were injured.
Protesters stormed the office of the president's Party of Regions on Tuesday, but police pushed them away. When firefighters arrived to put out a fire, they discovered the body of an office employee, Kiev's emergency services said.
U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey R. Payatt called for dialogue, but also threatened both sides with sanctions.
"We believe Ukraine's crisis can still be solved via dialogue, but those on both sides who fuel violence will open themselves to sanctions," Payatt said on Twitter.
The protests began in late November after Yanukovych froze ties with the EU in exchange for a $15 billion bailout from Russia, but the political maneuvering continued and Moscow later suspended its payments. On Monday, however, while opposition leaders were meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Russia offered a fresh infusion of the billions of dollars that Ukraine needs to keep its ailing economy afloat.
Justice Minister Olena Lukash, a close Yanukovych aide, accused the opposition of violating earlier agreements with the government and blamed protest leaders for the violence.
Tuesday's confrontations came two days after the government and the opposition reached a shaky compromise, with protesters vacating a government building in Kiev they had been occupying since Dec. 1 after the government released of scores of jailed activists.
But tensions rose after Russia's finance minister offered to resume financial aid to Ukraine on Monday, just as Yanukovych was expected to nominate a new prime minister, prompting fears among the opposition that he would tap a Russian-leaning loyalist.
Klitschko said that Yanukovych agreed to meet with opposition leaders early Wednesday, but admitted that there was little trust in the government left. He called on Yanukovych to agree to the reforms and to call an early election or face a serious escalation of the crisis.
"We are talking minutes, not hours," Klitschko told reporters.
Yanukovych still remains popular in the Russian-speaking eastern and southern regions of Ukraine, where economic and cultural ties with Russia are strong. But western Ukraine is keen to pursue closer ties to the 28-nation EU and move away from Russia's orbit.
Russian President Vladimir Putin promised Yanukovych $15 billion in loans in December, but after purchasing Ukrainian bonds worth $3 billion Russia put the payments on hold. The Russian finance minister said Monday that $2 billion more would be purchased this week.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called on both sides to "refrain from any form of provocation" in order to end the bloodshed.
"An escalation of the violence is the last thing that the country needs," he said in a statement Tuesday.
He said Ukrainian security forces have a "particular responsibility" to de-escalate the situation, adding that the European Union might resort to unspecified sanctions against individuals.
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[Jewboo]

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Let's all rent Braveheart again and order more pizza











:rolleyes: you guys call me after you shoot some Homeland Security and FBI swat teams...yawn

[midnight rambler]

Big surprise -

PCR: USG using taxpayer funds to foment unrest in Ukraine -

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/17/351138/us-eu-paying-ukraine-rioters-protesters/


THIS is how you take on a Corrupt Government:

If you buy into that then it's a safe bet you've been sucked in...

[Dick_Stabber]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcACvjXuclA

[osoab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=85WBb9xA9AI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=85WBb9xA9AI

[old steel]

They have already told us they will have their globalist NWO by consent or by conquest.

Either way we are fucked, it's going to happen, at least for awhile.

[Cebu_4_2]

Big surprise -

PCR: USG using taxpayer funds to foment unrest in Ukraine -

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02/17/351138/us-eu-paying-ukraine-rioters-protesters/



If you buy into that then it's a safe bet you've been sucked in...

We need russia to infiltrate the US govt. At this point I would welcome it cause we in the US are really fukt.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Wow, burn in in the place to the ground.

Watching the live stream on http://www.ustream.tv/channel/euromaydan-falcon it's nuts. Molotov cocktails every few seconds along with explosions.

6054

[Glass]

lots of fireworks there. It seems pretty clear there are not enough police to deal with this. The crowd have them beaten back into the corner.

Can't understand anything being said

[Glass]

looks like something is going to happen from the bottom right of the screen. Police bus pulled back out of the way and there is a large number of riot police forming up down there.

nope just a rotation of front line forces.

[woodman]

I haven't had time to follow what is happening there. Is it an organic movement, or is it being fomented by outside forces like the mid-east uprisings?

[Glass]

I haven't had time to follow what is happening there. Is it an organic movement, or is it being fomented by outside forces like the mid-east uprisings?

I think the main protagonists are Soro's/CIA backed factions as well as pro EU factions some of whom might be in the other camps as well. So there's a lot who want to join the EU and give up their futures to unelected bureaucrats. Then there are some who want to align with Russia. I think the main thing is they all want to see the end of the current regime. I only know what was posted here about them. That they were basically running the place like a protection racket and getting people to sign over their titles for nothing or next to.

Does anyone have a forum link for the phone call recording of the CIA people. F$%^ the EU and so on?

here it is
(http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?75669-Angela-Merkel-Furious-At-Nuland-s-quot-Fuck-The-EU-quot-Comments&highlight=Victoria+Nuland)

In Nuland's call, apparently recorded about 12 days ago when Ukrainian opposition leaders were considering an offer from Yanukovich to join his cabinet, she suggested that one of three leading figures might accept a post but two others should stay out. In the end, all three rejected the offer.

The biggest loser here, however, continues to be the Ukraine, whose people are facing a cold winter without assurances they will have Russian nat gas, and a government that is a chess piece in an ongoing power play between Europe and Russia, now that the CIA has taken a back seat. Incidentally, Russia made it quite clear that it demands Ukraine's full allegiance and as Russian finance minister Anton Siluanov told reporters overnight, Russia would withold its second loan payment to the troubled nation unless the Ukraine, which owes a “not insignificant” sum for natgas, makes the payment.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

before and after
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[Jewboo]

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:rolleyes: Let's burn down our town for "Freedom"

[Glass]

not sure what is going on now. There are people down in the bottom right where the police were last night and they are throwing what look to be molotovs back towards where the crowd has been. But these things look like they could be smoke or tear gas. They could be police. Hard to tell.

[Glass]

so somethings have been happening it seems. It is light there now. I think it is about 9 or 10 AM. the camera is moving about a bit and zooming in and out. I have seen some injured people being carried away by protestors. It looks like they have over run the police position and pushed them back out of this square. Thats the way it looks at the moment. There are a lot of protestors walking around with riot shields.

[Glass]

I got no idea what is going on now. Everyone seems to be streaming up the street but not sure where to. Google doesn't say much about what is up there. Some cultural and education buildings up there. Maybe the parliament is there somewhere but many many people have been heading that way. An ambulance managed to work it's way right through the crowd and then 5 minutes later back the same way. It looks pretty relaxed at the moment. 2 million people watching the stream so the stream is stalling from time to time. Actually it might be 2 million on the service with 16-17K watching this stream.

I'd like to know what they are saying over the loud speakers.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Shooting unarmed protesters.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DxkDiAcSF8

[mick silver]

Melee in Kiev: 33 people dead, 67 police captured KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Fearing that a call for a truce was a ruse, protesters tossed firebombs and advanced upon police lines Thursday in Ukraine's embattled capital. Government snipers shot back and the almost-medieval melee that ensued left at least 33 people dead.Video footage on Ukrainian television showed shocking scenes Thursday of protesters being cut down by gunfire, lying on the pavement as comrades rushed to their aid. Trying to protect themselves with shields, teams of protesters carried bodies away on sheets of plastic or on planks of wood.
Protesters were also seen leading policemen with their hands held high around the sprawling protest camp in central Kiev. Ukraine's Interior ministry says 67 police were captured in all. It was not clear how they were taken. An opposition lawmaker said they were being held in Kiev's occupied city hall.
President Viktor Yanukovych and the opposition protesters who demand his resignation are locked in an epic battle over the identity of Ukraine, a nation of 46 million that has divided loyalties between Russia and the West. Parts of the country — mostly in its western cities — are in open revolt against Yanukovych's central government, while many in eastern Ukraine favor strong ties with Russia, their former Soviet ruler.
At least 59 people have died this week in the clashes in Kiev, a sharp reversal in three months of mostly peaceful protests. Now neither side appears willing to compromise, with the opposition insisting on Yanukovych's resignation and an early election and the president apparently prepared to fight until the end.
Thursday was the deadliest day yet. An AP cameraman saw snipers shooting at protesters in Kiev and video footage showed at least one sniper wearing a Ukraine riot police uniform.
An Associated Press reporter saw 21 bodies Thursday laid out on the edge of the capital's sprawling protest camp. Protest medic Andriy Huk later told the AP that 32 activists were killed Thursday. In addition, one policeman was killed and 28 suffered gunshot wounds Thursday, Interior Ministry spokesman Serhiy Burlakov told the AP.
The carnage appears to show that neither Yanukovych nor the opposition leaders appear to be in control of the chaos engulfing Ukraine.
A truce announced late Wednesday appeared to have little credibility among hardcore protesters at Kiev's Independence Square campsite. One camp commander, Oleh Mykhnyuk, told the AP even after the truce, protesters still threw firebombs at riot police on the square. As the sun rose, police pulled back, the protesters followed them and police then began shooting at them, he said.
The Interior Ministry warned Kiev residents to stay indoors Thursday because of the "armed and aggressive mood of the people."
Yanukovych claimed Thursday that police were not armed and "all measures to stop bloodshed and confrontation are being taken." But the Interior Ministry later contradicted that, saying law enforcers would get weapons as part of an "anti-terrorist" operation.
Some signs emerged that Yanukovych is losing loyalists. The chief of Kiev's city administration, Volodymyr Makeyenko, announced Thursday he was leaving Yanukovych's Party of Regions.
"We must be guided only by the interests of the people, this is our only chance to save people's lives," he said, adding he would continue to fulfill his duties as long as he had the people's trust.
Another influential member of the ruling party, Serhiy Tyhipko, said both Yanukovych and opposition leaders had "completely lost control of the situation."
"Their inaction is leading to the strengthening of opposition and human victims," the Interfax news agency reported.
The parliament building was evacuated Thursday because of fears that protesters would storm it, and the government office and the Foreign Ministry buildings in Kiev were also evacuated.
As the violence exploded and heavy smoke from burning barricades at the encampment belched into the sky, the foreign ministers of three European countries — France, Germany and Poland — met with Yanukovych for five hours after speaking with the opposition leaders. The EU ministers then returned to speak again with opposition leaders.
The 28-nation European Union was scheduled to hold an emergency meeting on Ukraine later Thursday in Brussels to consider sanctions against those behind the violence, but it was not clear when the three EU ministers would be leaving Kiev.
The latest bout of street violence began Tuesday when protesters attacked police lines and set fires outside parliament, accusing Yanukovych of ignoring their demands to enact constitutional reforms that would once again limit the president's power.
Prior to the deaths and injuries on Thursday, the Ukrainian Health Ministry said 28 people have died and 287 have been hospitalized during the two days of street violence. Protesters who have set up a medical facility in a downtown cathedral so that wounded colleagues would not be snatched away by police say the number of injured are significantly higher — possibly double or triple that.
The Caritas Ukraine aid group praised the protest medics but said many of the wounded will need long-term care, including prosthetics.
The clashes this week have been the most deadly since protests kicked off in November after Yanukovych shelved an association agreement with the European Union in favor of closer ties with Russia. Russia then announced a $15 billion bailout for Ukraine, whose economy is in tatters.
The political jockeying for influence in Ukraine has continued.
In Moscow, the Kremlin said President Vladimir Putin was sending former ombudsman Vladimir Lukin to Ukraine as a mediator.
President Barack Obama stepped in to condemn the violence, warning Wednesday "there will be consequences" for Ukraine if it keeps up. The U.S. has raised the prospect of joining with the EU to impose sanctions against Ukraine.
Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev said Russia will "try to do our best" to fulfill its financial obligations to Ukraine, but indicated Moscow would hold back on further installments of its bailout money until the crisis is resolved.
"We need partners that are in good shape and a Ukrainian government that is legitimate and effective," he said.
At the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Ukrainian alpine skier Bogdana Matsotska, 24, said she will not take part in Friday's women's slalom due to the developments in Kiev.
"As a protest against lawless actions made toward protesters, the lack of responsibility from the side of the president and his lackey government, we refuse further performance at the 2014 Sochi Olympic Games," her father and coach, Oleg Matsotskyy, wrote in a Facebook post.
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Maria Danilova, Jim Heintz and Yury Uvarov in Kiev contributed to this report

[mick silver]

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By Timothy Heritage
MOSCOW (Reuters) - A Ukrainian protester lobs a burning petrol bomb into a doorway, a police officer writhes in agony on the ground, smoke and flames rise from burning barricades.
Footage of violence in the Ukrainian capital was beamed almost non-stop into Russian homes by state television on Wednesday, accompanied by apocalyptic warnings of civil war next door and accusations of meddling by foreign states.
The pictures tell the story better than any politicians' words, ramming home the message that President Vladimir Putin wants to put across - the violence has got out of hand and must be stopped.
"Ukraine stands on a very dangerous threshold," said Mikhail Margelov, chairman of the foreign affairs committee in the upper house of Russia's parliament. "It's all following the regulation course for a country heading towards civil war."
Getting the message across is vital to build Russian public support for Putin's strategy in Ukraine, the second biggest of the former Soviet states and a country of 46 million that is at the heart of a geopolitical tussle between East and West.
His foreign ministry underscored Moscow's attachment to a Slavic, Orthodox Christian neighbor that was the cradle of Russian nationhood over a millennium ago by calling Ukraine a "friendly brother state" and strategic partner on Wednesday.
Putin has largely let others - and Russian money - do the talking for him during the crisis, saying almost nothing in public about at least four meetings has had with Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich over the past six months.
But his overriding goal in the dispute over Ukraine's now frozen deals to build trade and political ties with the EU has been clear - to keep Ukraine, a big market and a country many Russians see as an extension of their own, in Moscow's orbit.
That in turn fits with Putin's broader geopolitical aim of restoring power and global influence that was lost with the collapse of Soviet communism in 1991 - the tussle over Kiev is not only with the hesitant regional ambitions of the EU but with Moscow's old superpower adversary the United States.
Letting Ukraine turn to the EU, notably towards Russia's historic rival Poland, would send a signal inspiring other former Soviet republics to follow suit, including Georgia and Moldova, which are also negotiating trade pacts with the bloc.
And it might even encourage rebellion in Russia, offering hope to the mainly middle-class young urbanites who joined protests against Putin in the winter of 2011-12 but failed to end his 14-year domination of Russian politics.
At the same time, the violence plays, to an extent, into Putin's hands by enabling Russian media and officials to portray Yanukovich's opponents as a violent rabble backed by the West and bent on destruction.
The presence on the barricades of hard-right militants, some of whom honor anti-Russian, anti-Semitic groups that fought with Nazis against the Red Army, allows critics to label the opposition as "fascists" pursuing "pogroms" in Ukraine.
Such messages appear to be getting through, with Russians showing little support for the Ukrainian opposition.
As violence flared on Tuesday, a Moscow radio call-in discussed whether Yanukovich should use force against the protesters. One caller after another said he was right to resort to take action. One said the Ukrainian leader had shown weakness by failing to turn machineguns on the crowd.
U-TURN
Protests began in Kiev after Yanukovich ordered a policy U-turn in November, spurning a trade pact with the EU and rebuilding economic ties with Moscow instead.
The reward was a Russian bailout package offering cash-strapped Ukraine $15 billion and reduced gas prices.
A second, $2-billion tranche of the bailout loan may be tied to Yanukovich ending the unrest and refusing protesters' demands to bring opposition leaders into government.
Putin appeared to win those promises at talks with Yanukovich earlier this month during the Winter Olympics in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi.
"I think that Russia received some kind of assurances from the Kiev leadership which satisfied them," said Gleb Pavlovsky, a former Kremlin spin doctor who has worked in Kiev.
Russia, he believed, received assurances Yanukovich would "hold firm to his position in talks, not make big concessions, fight against the radicals who have got stronger in the opposition".
"Something along those lines and probably more concrete," Pavlovsky said. "I doubt that just words would reassure Putin."
Another incentive for Putin to keep Ukraine under Russia's influence is its importance to his project for a trade and political bloc stretching from China's frontiers to the edge of the EU.
Ex-Soviet Kazakhstan and Belarus have already joined a Moscow-led customs union which is a precursor of the Eurasian Union that Putin plans. But Ukraine is a much bigger market. Without it, the union would be much weaker.
Putin's spokesman reiterated on Wednesday that Russia would not intervene in Ukraine but Western nations accuse Moscow of meddling behind the scenes anyway. Russian media have hit back with similar accusations against Western politicians, including some who have visited the protesters in central Kiev.
DIVIDING UKRAINE?
One Kremlin aide, Sergei Glazyev, has floated the idea that Ukraine could become a federation giving more power to its regions - a move, he said, that might enable mainly Russian-speaking eastern Ukraine to join Putin's trading bloc.
That call has been taken up by parliamentarians in Moscow, fuelling speculation that this - or some form of annexation of Russia-speaking areas - may have the Kremlin's backing.
A former Putin adviser, Andrei Illarionov, has quoted unidentified Kremlin sources as saying a "solution" to the Ukrainian question must be found.
The options, he says, could include the "federalization" of Ukraine to establish control over eastern and southern regions or otherwise trying to control Ukrainian cities with large Russian-speaking populations.
Western observers are also worried by calls in Crimea for the region to again become Russian territory, nearly six decades after Kremlin leader Nikita Khrushchev redrew internal Soviet boundaries in order to gift the peninsula to Ukraine.
Although Moscow has not responded to those calls, Russia would have reasons to embrace Crimea - Moscow's Black Sea fleet is based in the Crimean port of Sevastopol.
Civil war or a coup in Ukraine might also threaten other Russian industrial interests in eastern Ukraine, such as factories which have contracts with the Russian military.
"We have close brotherly ties, unified aviation, space and machine-building industries ... some industries are threatened with collapse," said Russian Communist leader Gennady Zyuganov.
Evoking memories of World War Two, when Ukraine was overrun by Nazi Germany and drawing comparison with the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, he said: "We must do everything to support the patriotic forces."

[EE_]

I'm really torn on this one.

The EU and US government are involved and the wants to over-throw the Ukraine government. I suspect it's a plot against Russia?
The EU is threatening to issue sanctions on the Ukrainian government and Russia says if you do, we will cut off oil and gas to Europe.
I want the people to win, but that means the US and EU wins?

The Jewish MSM is still calling it a "protest movement".
We dare not call it a Revolution!

[Horn]

before and after
http://i.imgur.com/ONotkiL.jpg

http://www.berfrois.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Platon_Cave_Sanraedam_1604.jpg

[Horn]

We dare not call it a Revolution!

Nostradamus called it resource wars.

[Glass]

this country is Russias bread basket much like California is for the US.

So what I was watching yesterday was just after they over ran the police. I could hear shooting which was different to the fireworks they were shooting at the police. So 70 protestors killed by snipers. Seems calm again at the moment.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

True, Ukraine is where Holodomor took place.

[Glass]

getting a tour of the scene. Looks like lots of people setup gazebos with all sorts of goodies on offer. Not sure if these are market stalls - you have to pay or if it is volunteer. I think it's volunteer. Lots of tasty looking stuff there. traditional food, cold cut meats cheeses pickles. I find it remarkable. People self organising. Who would have thunk it.

They have grabbed a stash of military gear like helmets that they are handing out. Oh oh. A whole pile of government propaganda found in the truck. No one wants it. Time for some flag burning for the camera.

[Neuro]

I think the revolt is genuine, but it is underblown by Soros. Yanukovitch is a thug, who is running Russia's errands for profit, people may not particularly like EU, but they prefer it vs Yanukovitch gangster rule...

[mick silver]

key word .......... Soros

[PatColo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feb8vDXBMsY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feb8vDXBMsY


I'm waiting for the rally cry to evolve into what it did in France, (as presented to joosh Tablet readership, not for goyim eyes!)

‘Jew, France Is Not Yours’ Chant Anti-Government Demonstrators in Paris (http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/160800/jew-france-is-not-yours-chant-anti-government-demonstrators-in-paris)

Chilling video captures rising anti-Semitism in France


By Yair Rosenberg (http://www.tabletmag.com/author/yrosenberg/)|January 27, 2014 9:02 AM

[Horn]

By Yair Rosenberg (http://www.tabletmag.com/author/yrosenberg/)|January 27, 2014 9:02 AM

Gettin kinda sticky out there...

what kind of name is Yair Rosenberg anyway?

[ShortJohnSilver]

Gettin kinda sticky out there...

what kind of name is Yair Rosenberg anyway?

Swiss-German Amish.

[Jewboo]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1414/05/1414054321637.gif

[Neuro]

key word .......... Soros

Nowadays I think it was more Soros with just a minor part of public discontent thrown in to the mix.

You should get back to posting Mick!

[Horn]

https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1414/05/1414054321637.gif

What is she doing now, workin for jews in hollywood still?