Freedom cannot exist in a society

[etc]

This is a follow-up to the "where does Freedom exist" thread but important enough to justify its own thread.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?75796-Where-Does-Freedom-Exist

I had this epiphany the other day. Freedom cannot exist in a society - in any society. Many attempts have been made to make the US society more free - all of them have been a complete failure. Third parties, various organizations, etc. Nothing has worked at all. Many social / political organizations have labored, or said they did - and we are less free than ever, in the last 200+ years.
A society by definition is a set of controls, rules, usually arbitrary rules, like taxes, speed limits, child support guidelines. Any attempt to change these for better has failed. If you make the highest tax bracket lower, they just get this "money" via inflation. In effect, you shuffle chairs on the deck of Titanic, a futile effort.

In a society, an individual is completely powerless. It does not matter if you vote or don't vote. Even the rich people are bounded by similar guidelines. The reason they are rich is because they jump through the social hoops better than the rest of us but they are not free and their wealth does not come free.

If you look at other societies, it's pretty much the same thing. Some are little less free, some are more. All deal with a mountain of restrictions and guidelines, none pertaining to

US is a sank Titanic as are all societies probably, in terms of fixing anything. It's futile and a waste of time. I spent the last 20 years of my life trying to figure it out and I am not better today than then. Probably worse off. Just older, more tired and poorer.
Fixing this society or any other society is like trying to invent a perpetual motion machine. People have spent their lives on the concept. US is not free, neither is any other society. They tell you everything you do, the only choice you have is extremely limited.

US is a high-tech prison. Our movement is monitored, if your papers are denied, you cannot move at all.

I have been involved in the so-called "Family Court" for years, if you fail to make payments, even if you lose your job, they can suspend your DL, your passport, even incarcerate you without due process. It's completely arbitrary and capricious. US is a police state. Now they monitor all your transactions, communications. The new Zero-care act treats you like children. Sign up or we penalize you.

The only hope that even exists is living outside the society as a system, as an individual, or in a very small "tribe", or a village.

A society is a failed experiment. It's too complex, too big, too regulative, too oppressive, it's school brainwash you and unless you 100% comply with their arbitrary demands - that never serve you and always serve the elite class, you cannot live there. Freedom cannot exist in a society because by the very definition, society is not freedom.

The logical conclusion is to go live somewhere where you can take care of yourself. If you cannot take care of yourself, you will live in this high-tech prison, which is what the society is. Maybe live off the land, maybe a homestead, or some variation.

Someplace where you can get housing and food. Maybe give up all the high-tech toys and possibly even the vehicle as a lifestyle. Not an easy life, but keep in mind that the society is quickly disintegrating and I have a feeling it will soon provide neither housing nor food so it won't have any advantages at all over a primitive, subsistence farming or hunting or agricultural lifestyle. A "primitive" lifestyle in the middle of nowhere is freedom but it's demanding. A society has been easier for sure to live in but its benefits are quickly disappearing. Your choice may be starve in the wilderness or starve in the city.

But the society is right on the verge of collapse. The reason we are not adapted to freedom is because we cannot take care of ourselves. We cannot go out there in the wild, and live. We need the institutions, this prison, just to have shelter and food on the table, but we lose all choices about our lives, all meaningful freedoms. The facade is coming off though and the prison walls are incredibly obvious now.

We are all sovereign citizens but what does it mean in terms of details. Taking care of yourself is #1. Making the society irrelevant.

http://api.ning.com/files/DGhaQe0o0DSznWf1fMIv37UiQ5B9*FDTYdFjPrdcGmzLxmE9NJ z3-uNZT7vxt7WpFU7lGzLmojK5QDtG4NmNXK*MJMjPW3w8/EndofallEvil.pdf

[jimswift]

A "primitive" lifestyle in the middle of nowhere is freedom but it's demanding.

I remember Michael Badnarik saying something like "...That saying 'freedom isn't free' is true. It's a lot of really hard work..." in one of his constitutional classes.

If I recall, he was speaking about how to live without all the conveniences of society just as you've alluded to.

Hell, here it is....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-a_yR1jzHY

[Jewboo]

US is a sank Titanic as are all societies probably, in terms of fixing anything. It's futile and a waste of time. I spent the last 20 years of my life trying to figure it out and I am not better today than then. Probably worse off. Just older, more tired and poorer. Fixing this society or any other society is like trying to invent a perpetual motion machine. People have spent their lives on the concept. US is not free, neither is any other society. They tell you everything you do, the only choice you have is extremely limited.



:(?? I agree with the post but your linked .pdf says this contradictory nonsense:



You are the key. To teach the people of earth the value that they have within themselves...You need only tell them that the glory of liberty is real, and that it belongs to them.

[etc]

I am not interested in teaching or persuading anyone. The linked pdf makes interesting points but I wanted to elaborate. I think it's utopian to think we can make this, or any other society, "free". It's not possible to live as a free person here. You have to go outside of it. I am not sure the link makes that clear.
I don't want to be a part of the society or any organization and maybe not even any "village".
the more abstract it gets, the less free it gets.

[Jewboo]

I think it's utopian to think we can make this, or any other society, "free". It's not possible to live as a free person here. You have to go outside of it. I am not sure the link makes that clear. I don't want to be a part of the society or any organization and maybe not even any "village".
the more abstract it gets, the less free it gets.



http://jillianokeeffe.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/farside_sheep1_1.jpg




I think I'm agreeing with you. I doubt there is any place on Earth that we can escape to. We're fucked.

[Shami-Amourae]

http://jillianokeeffe.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/farside_sheep1_1.jpg




I think I'm agreeing with you. I doubt there is any place on Earth that we can escape to. We're fucked.





The sea.

[etc]

Look at all the populated areas and then look at what's left. The tundra or the Taiga or whatnot. There are plenty of natural habitats you can live in but you have to give up all the social benefits - all of them.

[Jewboo]

Look at all the populated areas and then look at what's left. The tundra or the Taiga or whatnot. There are plenty of natural habitats you can live in but you have to give up all the social benefits - all of them.




http://designyoutrust.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1311.jpg
So you think you can just move in here Whitey?












:rolleyes: every square inch of Earth is already "owned" by somebody

[midnight rambler]

Somehow Bigfoot manages.

[madfranks]

The sea.

Outer space. We need to escape to a new planet and name it "new America".

[Santa]

Going to La La land is probably the most efficient and practical destination.

[BrewTech]

Outer space. We need to escape to a new planet and name it "new America".

Or "New Eden"... having read the book I can say that didn't work out so well, because humans kept acting like, well, humans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Garden_of_Rama

[Tumbleweed]

What about " The Truth will Set You Free"? Been hearing that for a long time.

[Horn]

Someone needs to write the free republics bible, then we send out missionaries. :)

Ponce will fund it thru donation.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I think Palani stated the whole point of your post here: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?75796-Where-Does-Freedom-Exist&p=691067&viewfull=1#post691067



Every contract you engage in restricts your freedom slightly. The more you engage in contracts the less freedom you have.

Also, if you read that book The End of All Evil, you might have picked up the idea that greatest restriction to your freedom is generated in yourself. Have you heard that adage "The truth shall set you free"? It happens to be the motto of the CIA. I think that the biggest restriction to anyone's freedom is their tendency to believe lies. Any population where everyone believes the same lies is not going to be free. When people stop believing the lies of the authoritarians--the evil people--then everyone will have as much freedom as they allow themselves.

I happen to agree with iOWNme--that freedom exists inside of each of our heads. If you want to live in a society that is relatively free, there has to be a widespread agreement among people in that society about the behaviors--the culture-- and the laws that protect everyone's freedom. The society has to have a preponderance of 'goodness' for it to be free. This condition existed at the time when the United States asserted its independence from its corrupt British rulers. It was at a time of a general world-wide awakening called 'the enlightenment', also known as 'the age of reason'. The reason it appears today that freedom doesn't exist anywhere is because the authoritarians have worked double-plus hard to convince us all that we do not have what it takes to be free. They dumb us down and then trample over us. They use culture and laws to make us conform and obey. Your sense of freedom is inversely related to the extent to which you willingly conform and obey the culture and the laws.

Have you ever seen a flea circus? Do you know how they train fleas? They put a piece of glass over the container the fleas are in. When the fleas hop, they hit the glass, and that is painful for them. After a week or two of constantly colliding with the glass, they stop hopping and give up trying to hop out. Then the circus emcee removes the glass, and the fleas stay in the box. The authoritarians do the same to us with the public school system, the media, the criminal justice syatem, and all other agencies of government and the general culture. Your post, etc, expresses that hopelessness that a well trained American citizen has picked up from the authoritarians. Sounds to me like you've really been beaten down. My condolences. You'll find freedom when you start doing things for reasons other than money, or conformity, or obedience. Do you have a middle finger ot two? Well, start using them. They are freedom enhancers.


Hatha

[Stop Making Cents]

Is total freedom really ideal? Should mudsharks be free to flaut their racial treason? Should perverted degenerates be free to poison our culture and the minds of children? Not in my ideal world.

[Jewboo]

Also, if you read that book The End of All Evil, you might have picked up the idea that greatest restriction to your freedom is generated in yourself...When people stop believing the lies of the authoritarians--the evil people--then everyone will have as much freedom as they allow themselves...I happen to agree with iOWNme--that freedom exists inside of each of our heads...Your sense of freedom is inversely related to the extent to which you willingly conform and obey the culture and the laws...You'll find freedom when you start doing things for reasons other than money, or conformity, or obedience. Do you have a middle finger or two? Well, start using them. They are freedom enhancers.





http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UeuaziTfv8Q/TLObIqOM8fI/AAAAAAAAACU/ZVHVzUp4krE/s1600/homeless_laptop.jpg
" I am free "
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" I am free "
http://la.guestofaguest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/x2_33b0878.jpg
" I am free "
http://www.funpub.net/poze/mare/pot_sa_renunt_la_orice,dar_nu_si_la_laptop_1229689 900.jpg
" I am free "






:rolleyes: "Free" is what a bum calls himself while playing the game "Non-Conformist " inside his head.

[Shami-Amourae]

You're either a slave, or a Jew. If you weren't born a Jew, you can figure out what you are and who you were born to serve.

[BrewTech]

Is total freedom really ideal? Should mudsharks be free to flaut their racial treason? Should perverted degenerates be free to poison our culture and the minds of children? Not in my ideal world.

That"s fine... who are you going to "elect" to have a monopoly on violence to enforce your rules for you?

Who has the right to eliminate the "perverted degenerates"... the definition of which could mean most anything at any given time?

Well... who?

Who has that right?

[Horn]

Who has that right?

6056

[govcheetos]

It aint easy being cheesy...

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?65797-Carpe-Libertas&highlight=carpe+libertas

[madfranks]

I've been pondering the OP for a day now, and I'm not sure I agree with the premise. I think it is possible for freedom to exist in society, just not any society that anyone alive can relate to.

The first distinction that must be made is that society is not government, and government is not society. Government is at it's most basic level, a monopoly on force. So I would agree that freedom can't coexist with government, and I would say that the OP mis-labels society when the actual word that he should be using is government. IMO, it should read like this:


In a GOVERNMENT, an individual is completely powerless. It does not matter if you vote or don't vote. Even the rich people are bounded by similar guidelines. The reason they are rich is because they jump through the GOVERNMENTAL hoops better than the rest of us but they are not free and their wealth does not come free.

If you look at other GOVERNMENTS, it's pretty much the same thing. Some are little less free, some are more. All deal with a mountain of restrictions and guidelines

But if you forget government all together, society is defined as the cultural norms, beliefs, industries and habits of a large group of people, and if all those people work together voluntarily, then yes, freedom can exist with society. But this freedom comes with responsibilities too. If you voluntarily sign an employment contract to work for someone, and that contract states that you have to work 40 hours a week in a cube, are you still free? In orther words, do self-imposed restrictions equate to a loss of freedom (like Palini stated)? I suppose it could be argued either way, but if you choose to contract with others, you have freely made that choice.

[etc]

Your view is idealistic, and wrong. You are trying to reform the government without reforming the culture. The root of the problem is the culture and the society, period. A gov doesn't just exist out of nowhere.

That link that I posted, it talks about the cultural influences, that shape us.

It's a cultural and religious thing when it comes right down to it.

And I don't think you can reform any of these institutions. I don't think you can point out any society that has ever been free, either. Maybe it can theoretically exist - it just hasn't yet.

[Horn]

Freedom doesn't exist in the first place, hence the great issue of incorporation into society.

The only thing that can be defined is individual right, and clear penalty stops towards transgressing those rights.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Jewboo, your post reminds me what I read about Hitler's advice to the Germans about freedom: You have the freedom to starve. Needless to say, Hitler was not a huge fan of freedom. And neither are you.

Freedom is a subjective term. It means a lot of different things to a lot of different people. And for that reason it existz nowhere and everywhere all at the same time. My idea of freedom has always been the idea of individual sovereignty. When a society respects that, freedom exists is that society. The real-world model I use to illustrate that is what the United States was in the early 1800s. Yes, there were glitches--such as the legality of slavery. But those who were not slaves were truly free, in a political sense. In a moral sense, no one is free because we live in civilization, and there are rules such as the 10 commandments, and the precepts of common law, and the golden rule. Freedom does not rule out responsibility. People who take responsibility for what they do are free.

Somehow I get a sense the the despair in this thread about societal freedom comes from the encroachment of collectivism in our political culture. I think if that is removed, the despair will evaporate.


Hatha

[Horn]

Somehow I get a sense the the despair in this thread about societal freedom comes from the encroachment of collectivism in our political culture. I think if that is removed, the despair will evaporate.

We should all ban together under one flag.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ump8C-uop3c

[mick silver]

welcome to the matrix once you enter theres no going back

[Jewboo]

Freedom is a subjective term. It means a lot of different things to a lot of different people...My idea of freedom has always been the idea of individual sovereignty.





http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UeuaziTfv8Q/TLObIqOM8fI/AAAAAAAAACU/ZVHVzUp4krE/s1600/homeless_laptop.jpg
individual sovereign



Hatha...you are a smart thoughtful poster and I am trying to not be dismissive or flippant. Here's my problem with the many "Freedom" threads here at GSUS: Nobody, including you, ever describes how THEY actually live in a so-called sovereign free manner day-to-day. It's all platitudes and slogans but never any real-world personal examples. Describe your personal sovereign free day-to-day life that doesn't vaguely sound like any other bum who hangs out at the local Public Library. You pay no taxes whatsoever? You obey no laws like the rest of us? You don't have a Social Security card or bank account or automobile?


:) really?

[iOWNme]

Freedom doesn't exist in the first place, hence the great issue of incorporation into society.



Were you FORCED to make this post? Was there some 'decree' from 'Government' that made you, or prohibited you from making this post?

You show all of us that freedom can and does exist, simply by you CHOOSING to make this post.

Did you go to the store recently? Was there a 'Law' that forced you or prohibited you from buying food? Have you watched any movies lately? Were you FORCED to? Did you CHOOSE which movie to watch?

Your FREEDOM is exercised everyday, wether you recognize it or not. Even if you are FORED to comply, you are chooseing to follow along out of fear. (I may agree with you) So you are rationalizing the situation and making the call based off of your own conscience. Either way.......YOU ARE FREE.

[Horn]

Were you FORCED to make this post?

Yes, to save my fellow compatriots from disambiguate temptation.

You don't own yourself by the way, at least until you've reached 18 years of age...

[iOWNme]

Yes, to save my fellow compatriots from disambiguate temptation.

So it BENEFITED you to do so?

Why would you do somthing that benefits you? Could it be becasue you are FREE?

[Horn]

So you are rationalizing the situation and making the call based off of your own conscience. Either way.......YOU ARE FREE.

I have no doubt in my mind that you are free, no argument from me there.

Now what you are able to do with it in reality varies from person to person and cannot be defined, therefore FREEDOM is non-existent.

[Jewboo]

Even if you are FORED to comply, you are chooseing to follow along out of fear. (I may agree with you) So you are rationalizing the situation and making the call based off of your own conscience.

Either way.......YOU ARE FREE.




This passes for logical argument these days at GSUS ?





:rolleyes:

[Hatha Sunahara]

Hatha...you are a smart thoughtful poster and I am trying to not be dismissive or flippant. Here's my problem with the many "Freedom" threads here at GSUS: Nobody, including you, ever describes how THEY actually live in a so-called sovereign free manner day-to-day. It's all platitudes and slogans but never any real-world personal examples. Describe your personal sovereign free day-to-day life that doesn't vaguely sound like any other bum who hangs out at the local Public Library. You pay no taxes whatsoever? You obey no laws like the rest of us? You don't have a Social Security card or bank account or automobile?


:) really?

My idea of freedom has always been the idea of individual sovereignty. I didn't say I am living it. I live in a corrupt society. The culture is corrupt, the laws are corrupt, and the people are dumbed down. It's dominated by authoritarians who never seem to miss an opportunity to deepen the slavery they put everyone into. The closest I get to real freedom, like everyone else I know, is when I can engage in some mental escapism from this dystopic reality. I'm not sure if my awareness of my lack of freedom is a good thing or a bad thing. Seems like the other slaves I know who actually think they are free appear to be happy. Maybe its because they are so deluded, it bypasses all the pain.


Hatha

[Jewboo]

The closest I get to real freedom, like everyone else I know, is when I can engage in some mental escapism from this dystopic reality. I'm not sure if my awareness of my lack of freedom is a good thing or a bad thing. Seems like the other slaves I know who actually think they are free appear to be happy. Maybe its because they are so deluded, it bypasses all the pain.

Hatha


You just confirmed my own perception and reality.



http://www.trancefix.nl/images/smilies/camillaisgek/shrug.gif I'm agreeing with you Hatha

[iOWNme]

I have no doubt in my mind that you are free, no argument from me there.

Now what you are able to do with it in reality varies from person to person and cannot be defined, therefore FREEDOM is non-existent.

I am able to do with it whatever i want. Sure, there may be consequences that are unpleasant but none the less I choose what i do, i choose when i do it. It can 100% be defined, just ask each individual to define it for you.

Are the 'Evil Greedy' 1% at the top free? They do whatever they want, when they want. Money is not a factor to them. Power is not a factor to them. Consequences are not a factor to them. Are they free?

In other words, you say nobody is free because we are all slaves to some degree. Slaves to WHO? Is the Slave Master free?

Just more proof that not only does freedom exist, it only exists in 1 place.

[iOWNme]

This passes for logical argument these days at GSUS ?
:rolleyes:


And this is a logic based argument? A single picture with a snarky caption, is that what passes as 'logic' at GSUS?


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UeuaziTfv8Q/TLObIqOM8fI/AAAAAAAAACU/ZVHVzUp4krE/s1600/homeless_laptop.jpg
individual sovereign



LMAO!

[iOWNme]

The closest I get to real freedom, like everyone else I know, is when I can engage in some mental escapism from this dystopic reality.

Hatha

So what your saying is that you have only found freedom in 1 place? Where was it you found freedom again?

JewBookJew flames me and trolls my posts, trying in vain to discredit my stance, and then praises you and agrees with your position. Your position is the exact same as mine, even though we may not agree with everything. JewBookJew reinforces my entire point, backing up my claims and proving them accurate, yet is to thick skulled to admit it.

No matter how ugly vile and despotic the outside world seems to be, you realized that you can always go back to where freedom is, even for brief moments if needed.

[palani]

You don't own yourself by the way, at least until you've reached 18 years of age...

Perhaps your father did not care enough about you to emancipate you?

http://i48.tinypic.com/xpbmyx.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/311pap4.jpg
http://www.nextech.de/ma15mvi/Roster/index.htm?ssmain=p167.htm;

From the "Charlton News"--
Nichols [sic] B. Hayes of Charlton, a veteran of the 15th Mass. Regiment, has re- enlisted. Mr. Hayes was wounded at the battle of Antietam, the ball entering the left leg above the knee, of the right leg. Mr. Hayes lay on the field three days after the battle without his wounds being dressed, only as he himself dressed them.
Starting 10 Aug 1864, Michael also served in the 13th V. R. C., Co. G.
He ended his service with the 13th VRC for disability on 28 Nov 1864.
He died on 8 Mar 1869 at Charlton, Worcester County, Massachusetts.
He was buried in Mar 1869 at Union Cemetery, Rt. 169, Charlton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, (Giffon Road Cemetery, east of Sturbridge).
He's surviving family was enumerated in the household of Ann M. Gilligan in the 1870 US Federal Census on 11 Jul 1870 at Southbridge P.O., Charlton, Worcester County, Massachusetts, as:
Hayes, Ann, 42, keeping house, b. Ireland
---, James, 20, blacksmith, b. MA (with foreign born parents, as per all children)
---, Mary A., 16
---, Margaret, 13
---, Emma, 11
---, Willie, 7
---, Ford, 3
---, George, 1.

[7th trump]

Perhaps your father did not care enough about you to emancipate you?

http://i48.tinypic.com/xpbmyx.jpg

http://i57.tinypic.com/311pap4.jpg
http://www.nextech.de/ma15mvi/Roster/index.htm?ssmain=p167.htm;

Are you ever going to bring anything to the table worth reading Palani?

Like Horn said..........when you turn 18 you are of legal age to contract yourself.

I suppose, with your illogical mind set, you beleive one must learn to ride the horse first before learning to operate any motorized machinery.

Not only are you lost within the law your lost in history

[palani]

when you turn 18 you are of legal age to contract yourself.

Are YOU ever going to learn the difference between LEGAL and LAWFUL?

There is always going to be more freedom in the LAWFUL world than the LEGAL world.

[7th trump]

Are YOU ever going to learn the difference between LEGAL and LAWFUL?

There is always going to be more freedom in the LAWFUL world than the LEGAL world.

Yes I know the difference .....most likely before you ever did.
I understand many legal and lawful things you dont....thats why you inject nonsense into your illogical equation and resort to old outdated and often foreign law into what you beleive is American law, legal or otherwise.
If you knew so much about legal and lawful I doubt you'd deflect from answering just about every question thats asked of you.....telling....very telling about you!

Just look at your beleif that money is the root behind being taxed on your labor when the statutes say something completely different. That alone throws just about every thing you think you understand about law and legal 180 degrees off.
This is why you advocate being paid under the table vs reading the statutes to find out what causes taxation on labor.
This is also why you advocate every known internet theory into your understanding...........jack of all internet theories and a master of none!
You're confused and it shows by your standard deflection practice.

[palani]

Yes I know the difference

Yet you ignore the lawful in favor of the legal? Statutes are intended for those who don't know the difference.


money is the root behind being taxed on your labor when the statutes say something completely different

A living being does not deal in corporate money. Taxes are paid by FISH!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_in_the_fish%27s_mouth

[7th trump]

Yet you ignore the lawful in favor of the legal? Statutes are intended for those who don't know the difference.



A living being does not deal in corporate money. Taxes are paid by FISH!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_in_the_fish%27s_mouth

Really statutes are legal rather than lawful.....hmmmm...then explain why the constitutional authorized import and duty taxes are statutorized in the same title as the legal employment taxes?

Any bet palani will just deflect away from this question?

The 14th amendment is "lawful" (constitutional amendment....equals "lawful") and yet the statutes say the lawful "US citizen" (14th amendment citizen...in other words a "lawful" citizen) is taxed....hmmm...explain that one away.....that is if you can see past you "legal", "lawful" nose palani!

[palani]

explain why the constitutional authorized import and duty taxes are statutorized in the same title as the legal employment taxes

Have you heard of 'civilization'? By definition this is the process of making a common law crime civil.

The answer to your question is that constitutional provisions are binding between federal entities and the several states while your statutes apply to you.

Now that I have responded to your question would you be willing to respond to mine? Why is it necessary for the common law crime of murder to be repeated in statute law?

[palani]

(constitutional amendment....equals "lawful")

Really? Perhaps lawful between federal entities and the several states. Which are you? A federal entity or one of the several states?

[Horn]

Perhaps your father did not care enough about you to emancipate you?

The sentiment on thread is not only due to the collective's encroachment, but also due to extreme protectionism of fantasy word play.

I cannot point at palani and pretend to know what freedoms may lie in the rather over sized cranial cavity of his, dreams of being a super sovereign man (that he himself can only guess the outcome) has no definition whatsoever to me.

I can also understand the value of extreme imagination, but also know the curse of entrapment away from being truly free and without the dome.

Until the imaginary veil of freedom is lifted, i will sing along blues beside him.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2VCwBzGdPM&feature=kp

[mick silver]

come on guys no need to fight their just running the matrix on full bore . your as free as your mind will let you be

[palani]

I can also understand the value of extreme imagination, but also know the curse of entrapment away from being truly free and without the dome.

emancipation (n.)
1630s, "a setting free," from French émancipation, from Latin emancipationem (nominative emancipatio), noun of action from past participle stem of emancipare (see emancipate).

emancipate (v.)
1620s, from Latin emancipatus, past participle of emancipare "declare (someone) free, give up one's authority over," in Roman law, the freeing of a son or wife from the legal authority (patria potestas) of the pater familias, to make his or her own way in the world; from ex- "out, away" (see ex-) + mancipare "deliver, transfer or sell," from mancipum "ownership," from manus "hand" (see manual) + capere "take" (see capable).

jubilee (n.)
The original notion was of a year of emancipation of slaves and restoration of lands, to be celebrated every 50th year (Levit. xxv:9); it was proclaimed by the sounding of a ram's horn on the Day of Atonement.

In a sense I was emancipated a few years back when I received a judicial communication stating that I lacked the authority to appoint the judicial actor as fiduciary. I presume he was informing me of HIS emancipation but instead he freed me from having authority over HIM.

[Horn]

In a sense I was emancipated a few years back when I received a judicial communication stating that I lacked the authority to appoint the judicial actor as fiduciary. I presume he was informing me of HIS emancipation but instead he freed me from having authority over HIM.

Must've been a mister minor,

iffen you were the Craiglist killer things ought to have a different outcome, after all you know you're guilty...

[palani]

you know you're guilty...
Yes. Of course. Why else would I have been in court?

[Horn]

Yes. Of course. Why else would I have been in court?

You must've lost your dome, trumpet is going to run with that one. :)

[Jewboo]

Jewboo flames me and trolls my posts, trying in vain to discredit my stance, and then praises you and agrees with your position. Your position is the exact same as mine, even though we may not agree with everything. Jewboo reinforces my entire point, backing up my claims and proving them accurate, yet is to thick skulled to admit it.







:o "flames me and trolls my post" = "reinforces my entire point, backing up my claims and proving them accurate"

:o "exact same" = "not agree"

[singular_me]

I think Palani stated the whole point of your post here: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthre...l=1#post691067

Every contract you engage in restricts your freedom slightly. The more you engage in contracts the less freedom you have.

Exactly... so the more freedom = the more one is willing to let GO...

it is not about societies but an individual take on Existence. Societies mirror our own intellectual and spiritual awareness.

Makes me think of my thread debunking property rights which are voided by physical death. Everybody is born naked and will die naked so to speak.

all our miseries (90%) are the result of the fear of death, hence feeling of unworthiness.

[Santa]

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

Haha. Just had to throw that in here. :)

[Horn]

all our miseries (90%) are the result of the fear of death, hence feeling of unworthiness.

99.9 or the obverse .999

And a willingness to shed liberty for temporary joneses satisfaction.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_kFyuDS-rU

[Stop Making Cents]

1950s america was about perfect imo. And the third reich had the makings of a near perfect society.

Freedom for homos to pollute children and for degenerates to poison culture and societal morality is an unfortunate side effect of "freedom".

The real problem is diversity degeneracy and a societal rejection of Christianity.