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Silver Rocket Bitches!
25th February 2014, 07:47 AM
The page comes up blank. I'm glad I transferred my two measly BTC from my wallet there earlier this year. Now they sit in a btc-e wallet but what's to say they're solvent?

(Reuters) - Mt. Gox, once the world's biggest bitcoin exchange, looked to have essentially disappeared on Tuesday, with its website down, its founder unaccounted for and a Tokyo office empty bar a handful of protesters saying they had lost money investing in the virtual currency.
The digital marketplace operator, which began as a venue for trading cards, had surged to the top of the bitcoin world, but critics - from rival exchanges to burned investors - said Mt. Gox had long been lax over its security.

It was not clear what has become of the exchange, which this month halted withdrawals indefinitely after detecting "unusual activity." A global bitcoin organization referred to the exchange's "exit," while angry investors questioned whether it was still solvent.
A document circulating on the internet, and purporting to be a crisis plan for the exchange, said more than 744,000 bitcoins were "missing due to malleability-related theft", and noted Mt. Gox had $174 million in liabilities against $32.75 million in assets. It was not possible to verify the document or the exchange's financial situation.

Tokyo investors in the frontier electronic currency, who have endured a volatile ride in the value of the unregulated cyber-tender, said the problem was with Mt. Gox, not with the revolutionary bitcoin itself.
Mt. Gox officials did not answer the telephone or respond to email requests for information. The concierge at the home of the chief executive, Mark Karpeles - an upscale apartment in the Shibuya district - said he was not answering his intercom. His mailbox was so stuffed with mail that the flap would not close.

The Mt. Gox homepage was not loading, although no error message appeared. Its source code contained a line saying, "put announce for mtgox acq here."
"VERY ANGRY"
"I'm very angry," said Kolin Burges, a self-styled "crypto-currency trader" and formersoftware (http://www.reuters.com/sectors/industries/overview?industryCode=174&lc=int_mb_1001) engineer who came from London for answers after Mt. Gox failed to tell him what had happened to his bitcoins, which at one point were worth $300,000.

"It looks like that's disappeared," said Burges, one of six protesters outside the Mt. Gox office, which was as deserted as a nearby cafe that had formerly accepted bitcoins as payment. In a statement last week, Mt. Gox said it had moved office because of security issues.
Some protesters carried signs saying, "Mt. Gox, where's our money?" and "Mt. Gox, are you solvent?"
"They prolonged this and kept telling people everything was OK," Burges said. "A lot of people did believe that, and it's very annoying what they've done to me and up to a million others."
Six leading bitcoin exchanges - which allow users to trade bitcoins for U.S. dollars and othercurrencies (http://www.reuters.com/finance/currencies?lc=int_mb_1001) - distanced themselves from the Tokyo-based exchange.

"This tragic violation of the trust of users of Mt. Gox was the result of one company's actions and does not reflect the resilience or value of bitcoin and the digital currency industry," the companies - Coinbase, Kraken, Bitstamp, BTC China (http://www.reuters.com/places/china?lc=int_mb_1001), Blockchain and Circle - said in the statement. "As with any new industry, there are certain bad actors that need to be weeded out, and that is what we're seeing today."
On Sunday, Karpeles resigned from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, in a blow to the digital currency. Mt. Gox had once been the largest exchange handling bitcoins.

Karpeles told Reuters last week, "We know there are all kinds of criticisms made against Mt. Gox, but we believe we are doing all we can to solve problems as quickly as possible having our customers in mind."
His resignation from the foundation, the cyber currency's trade group, followed a number of technical issues, including a massive cyber attack from unknown sources that has been spamming bitcoin exchanges.
Mt. Gox was a founding member and one of the three elected industry representatives on the board of the foundation. Mt. Gox, a bitcoin exchange since 2010, is a relatively old player, having grown quickly when there were few alternatives.

"TEETHING PROBLEMS"

Bitcoin has had a rocky ride, its dollar value soaring and crashing more like a highly speculative investment than a store of value. And oddly for a tradable instrument, its value varies greatly depending on the exchange.
The Mt. Gox bitcoin, which traded at $828.99 before February 7, when the exchange halted withdrawals, has since plunged 83.7 percent to $135. By contrast, coins at Bitstamp, another large exchange, have fallen 40.5 percent over the same period to $400.
While bitcoin globally has taken a beating to its value and reputation, users say the problem is with Mt. Gox, not with the virtual currency itself.
"I think the community will remain very tolerant of teething problems, or whatever you want to call them," said a Tokyo-based investor who noted he had a "negligible" amount of bitcoins with Mt. Gox. "The whole structure is still in its infancy, so there's just certain things that come with the territory as long as you keep people in the loop."
The Bitcoin Foundation said in a statement, "Mt. Gox is one of several exchanges, and their exit, while unfortunate, opens a door of opportunity. This incident demonstrates the need for responsible individuals and members of the bitcoin community to lead in providing reliable services."
A commenter on the Reddit site, identified as evorhees, proudly defended bitcoin as an epochal development in finance (http://www.reuters.com/finance?lc=int_mb_1001).
"We are building a new financial order and those of us building it, investing in it and growing it will pay the price of bringing it to the world," he wrote. "This is the harsh truth. We are building the channels, the bridges, and the towers of tomorrow's finance (http://www.reuters.com/finance?lc=int_mb_1001), and we put ourselves at risk in doing so."

REGULATORY RETICENCE

Japan's financial regulators, by contrast, have largely given bitcoin a shrug.
"Bitcoin is not a currency; it is an alternative to currencies (http://www.reuters.com/finance/currencies?lc=int_mb_1001), like gold," said a spokesman for the Financial Services Agency. "We are only responsible for currencies and therefore bitcoin is not subject to our regulatory oversight."
Finance Ministry officials also said they are not in charge of regulating the virtual currency. A Bank of Japan (http://www.reuters.com/places/japan?lc=int_mb_1001) spokesman said the central bank had nothing to add to remarks that Governor Haruhiko Kuroda made in December, when he said he was "very interested in bitcoin".
"In one sense, it is similar to electronic-funds transfers and the spread of electronic money," Kuroda said then. "But there are also some differences and the price is somewhat volatile. I think each country's central bank is watching this ... but as of now I have nothing specific to report."
Other jurisdictions have been more proactive.

In the United States, Alabama's securities regulator said he will issue an alert on Tuesday, cautioning consumers and investors to stop trading on bitcoin exchanges or adding to their accounts if they are having trouble redeeming the digital currency or cashing out.
Karpeles himself, while insisting on his own exchange's reliability, has made no secret that bitcoin is, as he told Reuters last April, a "high-risk investment".
"If you buy bitcoins, you should buy keeping in mind that the value could be zero the day after."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/25/us-mtgox-website-idUSBREA1O07920140225

Ponce
25th February 2014, 07:59 AM
No matter what I say it will not now help those who keep investing on non existing currency, some made money and many more lost money but what I hold in physical I still have.......all this is a good lesson for WTSHTF and the many scams that will be created to make you believe that will keep you safe.

Last night I helped my friend and his wife count all his coins and he had $691.00 and in exchange I will give him 30 one oz rounds or silver, he is very proud of himself and so am I because now he will be one of the survivors in what is to come.

V

old steel
25th February 2014, 08:40 AM
30 pieces of silver? Where have i heard that before? ;)

Ares
25th February 2014, 08:49 AM
Now they sit in a btc-e wallet but what's to say they're solvent?

I have to admit, that even though the owners of BTC-e.com are totally anonymous I do like the exchange they've built. Never been compromised or hacked (individual accounts have been, but not the exchange) I've never had an issue moving coins in or out of the exchange I did with Gox numerous times. I removed my 2 BTC from GOX earlier this year, just before the run up in price. Moved one to my wallet, the other to btc-e.com and been trading that one. You can tell the support personal native language is NOT english, but they are helpful and responsive, which GOX wasn't known for....

Overall, I do like btc-e, they ask no personal information whatsoever when creating an account. You can move in and out of that exchange with no issue at all, and the exchange fee's are small.

StreetsOfGold
25th February 2014, 10:56 AM
taX
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(pagan) Egyptian SphinX
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hoaX
refluX
fauX
jinX
crucifiX
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Mt. goX

I would have been suspicious of this place just based on the name alone
http://www.whale.to/b/x_h.html

Ares
25th February 2014, 11:05 AM
taX
X - boX
poX
(pagan) Egyptian SphinX
veX
hoaX
refluX
fauX
jinX
crucifiX
anthraX
Mt. goX

I would have been suspicious of this place just based on the name alone
http://www.whale.to/b/x_h.html

While I see your point. Mt.Gox is actually short for: "Magic The Gathering Online Exchange"

There was no fraud, or evil perpetuated by that place. It was pure ineptitude that did them in.

StreetsOfGold
25th February 2014, 11:53 AM
While I see your point. Mt.Gox is actually short for: "Magic The Gathering Online Exchange"

I did not know this but this makes it even more ominous since Magic the gathering is a satanic occult teaching based game to introduce young people to the occult

madfranks
25th February 2014, 01:25 PM
No matter what I say it will not now help those who keep investing on non existing currency, some made money and many more lost money but what I hold in physical I still have.......all this is a good lesson for WTSHTF and the many scams that will be created to make you believe that will keep you safe.

Last night I helped my friend and his wife count all his coins and he had $691.00 and in exchange I will give him 30 one oz rounds or silver, he is very proud of himself and so am I because now he will be one of the survivors in what is to come.

V

Anyone holding their own bitcoins still has them. Only those who put their faith in this third party exchange run by idiots has lost any money. You are not comparing apples to apples here. Imagine putting all your physical into a third party storage service, and then that service goes under and you lose all your silver. Would you blame silver for your woes, or blame the company holding them for you?

Ares
25th February 2014, 01:26 PM
I did not know this but this makes it even more ominous since Magic the gathering is a satanic occult teaching based game to introduce young people to the occult

I just thought it was a way for grown men to be serious about trading cards. :) lol

Shami-Amourae
25th February 2014, 01:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOkH1yeXeo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8_-_QJdQxk

Ponce
25th February 2014, 06:04 PM
Anyone holding their own bitcoins still has them. Only those who put their faith in this third party exchange run by idiots has lost any money. You are not comparing apples to apples here. Imagine putting all your physical into a third party storage service, and then that service goes under and you lose all your silver. Would you blame silver for your woes, or blame the company holding them for you?

FranX has spoken.....another future victim of the new world.....sniff, sniff, sniff.......my silver to a third party to hold it?, what part of "If you don't hold it, you don't own it" you don't understand?

V

mick silver
25th February 2014, 06:35 PM
tellem ponce , they like to play in the mine flield

Shami-Amourae
25th February 2014, 06:40 PM
You guys should be buying right now. These prices may never be this low again.

I've learned there's a lot of inexperienced people buying into cryptos who are weak hands. If you understand this you can make great gains.

mick silver
25th February 2014, 06:43 PM
i did buy today , i went and got a 200 stack one dollar bills

Horn
25th February 2014, 07:00 PM
Next up licensed Bitcoin brokers and Regulated Internet T.V.

thanks for a horrendous looking future of nothingness, Bitcoin.

Cebu_4_2
25th February 2014, 07:13 PM
i did buy today , i went and got a 200 stack one dollar bills

We going to the gentlemens club tonight?

Hypertiger
25th February 2014, 07:45 PM
Yes if is not in your hand...you have absolute 0

All the money in circulation is mostly just bits of information on hard disk platters owed to someone else and ultimately back to the bank that created it.

So you use electricity or an electronic US Dollar and exchange it for electricity in the form of a bitcoin in the hopes that the new electricity will increase in price...It's just a video game.

EE_
25th February 2014, 07:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybOkH1yeXeo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8_-_QJdQxk

Bill Shill, still shilling. He can go suck a big quark!

Ares
25th February 2014, 08:09 PM
This guy has a good point:

Jon Matonis, the president of the Bitcoin Foundation, tweeted that a systematic failure of this major bitcoin exchange is quite different from centralized financial systems:

If MtGox operated in traditional financial system, losses would be “papered over” by the regulators and government insurers (i.e. taxpayers)

— Jon Matonis (@jonmatonis) February 25, 2014

http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-ceo-says-leaked-documents-less-legit/

Horn
25th February 2014, 11:46 PM
Contains the apparent (one guy) that was still left on the largest Bitcoin exchange.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuCVSGLmgtk

Get a good look at him as he may be the only one left when BTCe and bitstamp go down...