Biggest Killer Of Humans

[Ares]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0sujnvIV4g4

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0sujnvIV4g4

[Cebu_4_2]

Is this even vaguely true?

[Ares]

Is this even vaguely true?

It's true, they call it Democide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democide)

[singular_me]

since it only was a 2mins video, I played the first 1min (too bad that this internet package is so restrictive)

well Nazis dont get the highest score but China, the Soviets and western colonialism... but yes, it is all about death by govs

[singular_me]

was wondering about where this material could fit the best. Most of what is said is known by GSUSers, but the art lies in the details... (not too fond of controlled-opposition-Chomsky, but overall it is still highly insightful)

The Power Principle
"Simply brilliant. It's a shame more people won't watch it due to the length. Because this is probably the best film ever made about American foreign policy." -


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q0Wdk7ek7Q


Part 2: Propaganda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1J9ybfRWSk

Part 3: Apocalypse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q0Wdk7ek7Q

[Hypertiger]

Employer fires the disobedient employees.

The Government punishes the disobedient subjects.

The master whips/taxes the slaves

Persuasion force annihilation

Please supply the demand for what is wanted or be fired.

Please supply the demand for yield or be liquidated.

Believe the lies we tell you are Truth...or die.

Turn or burn.

[Hypertiger]

All the cells that compose your body are animal cells...Not Human being cells.

[old steel]

All the cells that compose your body are animal cells...Not Human being cells.


That's because we're all animals, HT.

[Serpo]

Biggest Killer Of Humans...........GOVERNMENTS........

who would of guessed........

they want us to love them ,vote for them ,believe them ect ect

[iOWNme]

And who makes up this thing called 'Government'? Mere mortal humans, thats who. The same species, with the same Rights as everyone else. Magic ink and scribbles on parchment DO NOT change this, nor do they alter the human morality that existed BEFORE it.

So we must ask ourselves, "What would cause good natured well meaning people to IMAGINE they must obey 'Authority' and kill millions upon millions of innocent non violent people whom they have never met"?

The answer, is between your ears.

[EE_]

And who makes up this thing called 'Government'? Mortal humans, thats who.

So we must ask ourselves, "What would cause good natured well meaning people to IMAGINE they must obey 'Authority' and kill millions upon millions innocent non violent people whom they have never met"?

I'm not so sure we're talking about "good natured well meaning people" that kill millions of people.

I'm not sure they are all innocent people they are killing. Children are innocent, animals are innocent...

Man and women are violent creatures by nature. We have been warring since the beginning of time.

Our creator has given us emotions like jealousy and greed. We all have these emotions to some degree, it's in our dna. It only needs be coaxed to the surface.

For some it can be coaxed by money/power...other's by need to protect, or survive. But it is there inside us all.

We ourselves, are the 'Authority' we obey.

Blaming others (an imaginary 'Authority') for our actions may absolve us (in our minds) from the sins/harm we inflict on others, but the real 'authority' resides in us all....you can't IMAGINE that away, or hide from that fact.

You are the 'Authority' you obey!

[iOWNme]

I'm not so sure we're talking about "good natured well meaning people" that kill millions of people.

Maybe if you would read a book i have tried to send you, you might understand? :p

Most of the worlds most vicious crimes against entire populations have been carried out by the good natured well intentioned people who obeyed their 'Government'. How many people did Stalin personally kill with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill? How many people did Mao personally murder with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill? How many people did Hitler personally kill with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill?


Ive got one that should work on you: How many people have the Zionist personally killed with their bare hands? How many people have the Goyim killed for them?


99% of the 'enforcers' are the good natured well intentioned people who IMAGINE they are doing the right thing, while they mindlessly murder their fellow man. Nobody is joining their countries Military to do the wrong thing.



I'm not sure they are all innocent people they are killing. Children are innocent, animals are innocent...

Man and women are violent creatures by nature. We have been warring since the beginning of time.

Our creator has given us emotions like jealousy and greed. We all have these emotions to some degree, it's in our dna. It only needs be coaxed to the surface.

For some it can be coaxed by money/power...other's by need to protect, or survive. But it is there inside us all.



You seem to put all violence into one single category, which is a false and incorrect premise to begin with. It is impossible to come to a correct conclusion if you start with a false premise.

All violence DOES NOT fall into the same category, because of a little thing called 'choice'. This is why you are not a violent animal, BECAUSE you have a choice over your actions. No matter how cruel and violent a lion is, his actions are not moral or immoral because he has no choice. Some people may choose to initiate violence, but this does not mean that all people are violent animals. It merely proves that they have choice, and that they chose to be the instigator in the situation.

Initiation of, aggressor, pro active, offensive violence = immoral and unjust, irrational, insane, contradictory

Protection from, defensive use of violence = moral and just, completely rational, sane



If man is so violent, how often do YOU personally use the initiation of violence to get what you want? How many of your friends and family use proactive violence in their day to day lives? How often do YOU personally see people using aggressive violence in your day to day routine at work, home, the store, etc?



We ourselves, are the 'Authority' we obey.

Blaming others (an imaginary 'Authority') for our actions may absolve us (in our minds) from the sins/harm we inflict on others, but the real 'authority' resides in us all....you can't IMAGINE that away, or hide from that fact.

You are the 'Authority' you obey!


We agree!

The part we disagree on is is that i know most people ARE NOT using their own free will and conscience, they are obeying 'Authority' because deep down inside they believe it to be a virtue to do so. They would rather throw away their own free will, rather than have to actually think about things, come to their own personal conclusions and then act accordingly. They have been taught since day one that it is moral to obey and immoral to disobey. Their parents taught them this. Their teachers taught them this. Their sports coaches taught them this. Later on the Police taught them this. Their boss taught them this. By the time they are 18 years old, they have had over 18,000 hours of FORCED 'Government' programming. Milgrams Experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment). Stanford Prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment). And you continue to gloss over this incredibly important fact without a second thought.

People IMAGINE a moral obligation (a good thing) to obey 'Authority' when it commands them to do something against their own conscience (a bad thing).

If it isnt good to be bad, their cant be a thing called 'Government'. A man cannot possibly have a moral obligation to do the wrong thing. The hallucination of 'Government' is a contradiction soup of dry water and square chicken eggs.

[EE_]

Maybe if you would read a book i have tried to send you, you might understand? :p

Most of the worlds most vicious crimes against entire populations have been carried out by the good natured well intentioned people who obeyed their 'Government'. How many people did Stalin personally kill with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill? How many people did Mao personally murder with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill? How many people did Hitler personally kill with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill?

A. Did Julius Ceasar kill men in war?

A. Maybe these men were really cowards that didn't have the nerve themselves to take a life. They were responsible for the deaths just the same and most likely enjoyed the power it made them feel.

Ive got one that should work on you: How many people have the Zionist personally killed with their bare hands? How many people have the Goyim killed for them?

A. More cowards?

99% of the 'enforcers' are the good natured well intentioned people who IMAGINE they are doing the right thing, while they mindlessly murder their fellow man. Nobody is joining their countries Military to do the wrong thing.

A. I don't believe 99% are good natured and many do join the military for the wrong reason.
There are many people in this world that love power over others, you know them and I know them. For these people it is not necessarily money they seek, but the power. When power is given to many people they become drunk with it and lose all sense of reason, compassion and empathy. They just know they love power over others.

You seem to put all violence into one single category, which is a false and incorrect premise to begin with. It is impossible to come to a correct conclusion if you start with a false premise.

All violence DOES NOT fall into the same category, because of a little thing called 'choice'. This is why you are not a violent animal, BECAUSE you have a choice over your actions. No matter how cruel and violent a lion is, his actions are not moral or immoral because he has no choice. Some people may choose to initiate violence, but this does not mean that all people are violent animals. It merely proves that they have choice, and that they chose to be the instigator in the situation.

Initiation of, aggressor, pro active, offensive violence = immoral and unjust, irrational, insane, contradictory

Protection from, defensive use of violence = moral and just, completely rational, sane



If man is so violent, how often do YOU personally use the initiation of violence to get what you want? How many of your friends and family use proactive violence in their day to day lives? How often do YOU personally see people using aggressive violence in your day to day routine at work, home, the store, etc?

A. Just because I don't see, doesn't mean many people are comitting violen acts.
I see people using agressive violence almost every time I turn on the TV/news.

The point is, most people are capable of violence. We live in a time period where violence is not neccessary and laws are made for enforcers to use violence on you if you're caught.
There were many violent periods throughout history.



We agree!

The part we disagree on is is that i know most people ARE NOT using their own free will and conscience, they are obeying 'Authority' because deep down inside they believe it to be a virtue to do so. They would rather throw away their own free will, rather than have to actually think about things, come to their own personal conclusions and then act accordingly. They have been taught since day one that it is moral to obey and immoral to disobey. Their parents taught them this. Their teachers taught them this. Their sports coaches taught them this. Later on the Police taught them this. Their boss taught them this. By the time they are 18 years old, they have had over 18,000 hours of FORCED 'Government' programming. Milgrams Experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment). Stanford Prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment). And you continue to gloss over this incredibly important fact without a second thought.

A. Can't argue that...there are a whole lot of people in this world that refuse to use their own free will, they do what they're told. You won't change them.

People IMAGINE a moral obligation (a good thing) to obey 'Authority' when it commands them to do something against their own conscience (a bad thing).

If it isnt good to be bad, their cant be a thing called 'Government'. A man cannot possibly have a moral obligation to do the wrong thing. The hallucination of 'Government' is a contradiction soup of dry water and square chicken eggs.

To me, an authority is someone that possesses a higher knowledge on any particular subject, not someone that decides rules I must live by. I've never bought into that. All I know is violence dictates whether you submit, or you reply with violence.

[govcheetos]

Boils down to power comes from the barrel of a gun. I don't care about who thinks who has authority.

[mick silver]

back up for more to see

[woodman]

Maybe if you would read a book i have tried to send you, you might understand? :p

Most of the worlds most vicious crimes against entire populations have been carried out by the good natured well intentioned people who obeyed their 'Government'. How many people did Stalin personally kill with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill? How many people did Mao personally murder with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill? How many people did Hitler personally kill with his bare hands? How many people did his 'enforcers' kill?


Ive got one that should work on you: How many people have the Zionist personally killed with their bare hands? How many people have the Goyim killed for them?


99% of the 'enforcers' are the good natured well intentioned people who IMAGINE they are doing the right thing, while they mindlessly murder their fellow man. Nobody is joining their countries Military to do the wrong thing.






You seem to put all violence into one single category, which is a false and incorrect premise to begin with. It is impossible to come to a correct conclusion if you start with a false premise.

All violence DOES NOT fall into the same category, because of a little thing called 'choice'. This is why you are not a violent animal, BECAUSE you have a choice over your actions. No matter how cruel and violent a lion is, his actions are not moral or immoral because he has no choice. Some people may choose to initiate violence, but this does not mean that all people are violent animals. It merely proves that they have choice, and that they chose to be the instigator in the situation.

Initiation of, aggressor, pro active, offensive violence = immoral and unjust, irrational, insane, contradictory

Protection from, defensive use of violence = moral and just, completely rational, sane



If man is so violent, how often do YOU personally use the initiation of violence to get what you want? How many of your friends and family use proactive violence in their day to day lives? How often do YOU personally see people using aggressive violence in your day to day routine at work, home, the store, etc?





We agree!

The part we disagree on is is that i know most people ARE NOT using their own free will and conscience, they are obeying 'Authority' because deep down inside they believe it to be a virtue to do so. They would rather throw away their own free will, rather than have to actually think about things, come to their own personal conclusions and then act accordingly. They have been taught since day one that it is moral to obey and immoral to disobey. Their parents taught them this. Their teachers taught them this. Their sports coaches taught them this. Later on the Police taught them this. Their boss taught them this. By the time they are 18 years old, they have had over 18,000 hours of FORCED 'Government' programming. Milgrams Experiments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment). Stanford Prison (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment). And you continue to gloss over this incredibly important fact without a second thought.

People IMAGINE a moral obligation (a good thing) to obey 'Authority' when it commands them to do something against their own conscience (a bad thing).

If it isnt good to be bad, their cant be a thing called 'Government'. A man cannot possibly have a moral obligation to do the wrong thing. The hallucination of 'Government' is a contradiction soup of dry water and square chicken eggs.

If a person in authority gives commands that they know will lead to the death of others, they are personally responsible for those deaths. It is no different than if they took a weapon and did the deed themselves. Actually it could be credibly argued that those minions who did the actual trigger pulling were innocent by reason of not being able to say no due to factual conditions that would lead to their ultimate demise if orders were not carried out. After all, if someone kills with a gun, it is not the gun that is guilty of murder. So the minions that do the deeds of murder are merely a weapon used by those in charge.