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Ares
5th March 2014, 10:30 AM
Erik Voorhees is among the top-recognised serial entrepreneurs in Bitcoin, which he views as one of the most important inventions ever created. Erik has been at the centre of the Bitcoin movement since April 2011. He is well known for his vocal advocacy of the “separation of Money and State”.

It seems one of the greatest challenges facing Bitcoin is not technical, but educational.

The world is having a hard time coping with its new discovery. Economist and professor Peter Morici, writing for Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/03/bitcoin-debacle-shatters-myth-virtual-money/) on 3rd March, has written one of the worst bitcoin articles of the year, and it must be addressed.

Gleefully simmering in our fabricated despair, Morici betrays his agenda immediately:

“Bitcoin believers were shaken to their digital souls when Mt. Gox, the world’s largest exchange, defaulted… and closed.”

In his very first sentence, facts are disregarded. Mt. Gox was barely the third largest (http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/volumepie/) by the time of its demise. But it’s not facts upon which Morici’s argument fails, it’s theory and philosophy.

Quantifying value

“Money,” Morici says, “provides a secure place to keep your wealth.”

Incorrect, sir. Money is a measurement of value. It is not a place, and it is not in itself “secure” any more than inches and yards are a secure location to store one’s measurements, or than minutes themselves might be entrusted to secure one’s time. He continues:

“Bitcoin traded for $1,117 on December 4, and now commands only about half that amount.”

Morici’s willingness to ignore bitcoin’s long-term track record (one of appreciation unmatched by any other asset class, anywhere) reveals the extent to which he has blinded himself.

“Gold and silver needed no sovereigns stamped on them to “instill confidence.” It was the metal itself, valuable as a commodity, which made the coins desirable. Caesar’s visage was little more than marketing for the tyrant.
The fraud of fiat

Morici writes, “The Chinese issued paper money more than 2,000 years ago.”

Yes, and the vast majority of them collapsed in hyperinflation, as have over two dozen fiat currencies in only the past hundred years. That the fraud of fiat is as old as time does not mean we should continue falling victim.

And to matters of inflation, “Bitcoin advocates are riveted by the temptation of government to print too much and destroy its value through inflation.”

True, we tend to prefer money without perpetual debasement, which seems to put us at odds with professors (who, upon achieving tenure, have difficulty determining why their raise feels inadequate).

“However, inflation is hardly a problem in the United States, Europe and Japan, and central banks in other countries hold dollars, euro, and yen to back up their currencies.”

Okay professor, just as it would be hardly a problem if I took but a few percent of your assets each year for my own, indeed you may not even notice.

Morisi laments that “There is no ‘Bitland’ where a government has declared the Bitcoin legal tender to buy goods and pay taxes.” Are we in such a dismal state that even trade itself must be ordained by a king for legitimacy, professor?

Might I be permitted to breathe without a license or speak without permission of your preferred politicians? Why not then may I trade without their approval?

What anointed property is bestowed upon “dollars” which, being absent from bitcoins, precludes their usefulness? If you would not even eat your supper without the government first giving you its blessing, then I feel sad for you, for you are truly under a dismal spell and, and suffer a strange kind of man-in-the-sky worship.
Issues of privacy

Here though I must admire Morici, at least briefly, for not condemning the privacy of Bitcoin as a sign of reclusive and improper behaviour. But, it seems he resists the temptation to vilify privacy by claiming that Bitcoin simply offers none of it.

“Transactions can be spied by hackers or government security agencies through its fairly open payments system, the government can subpoena your Bitcoin records or those of your exchange when it needs.”

Professor, is it not a welcome improvement in human decency that a government must now subpoena for records, instead of calling upon its Orwellian spy arsenal – the NSA?

And while an individual, once named, can certainly have guns drawn upon him by Government, have you ever tried obtaining the name belonging to a Bitcoin account? Such a feat is not so easy, and thank goodness that at least several more barriers have been placed between the people and their rulers.

Though this is so far shallow, for the above is Morici’s basic pretense for his real thesis, displayed so eloquently at the end.

“Detractors of paper money have always been fixated by the absence of gold to back it up, but they fail to recognize what really makes a currency accepted and secure – the government guarantee and the good sense of the sovereign not to abuse its franchise.”

And he finishes with grand vision, “It’s not the gold but the face of Caesar – the promise his image carries – that makes a coin money.”

With this final beautiful prose, despite my stubborn resistance, Morici may have ultimately convinced me of his opinion.

And this is why, from this day forward, I shall with diligence stamp the face of Caesar into each slice of my bread, and carve it delicately upon my door, so that my food may always be rich and sustaining, and my home may be guaranteed its utility forever.

Bitcoin may fail for a great many reasons, Mr Morici. But if it does, it will not be for want of a tyrant’s face behind it.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-biggest-challenge-educational-technical/

madfranks
5th March 2014, 11:29 AM
It's true, so many of the arguments against bitcoin are based on modern statism. If the state doesn't create it, approve of it, manage it, control it, distribute it, etc. then it must be no good.

Ares
5th March 2014, 11:39 AM
It's true, so many of the arguments against bitcoin are based on modern statism. If the state doesn't create it, approve of it, manage it, control it, distribute it, etc. then it must be no good.

Money should be the peoples property regardless of state. It's only controlled because of the amount of power it brings.

Jewboo
5th March 2014, 12:22 PM
It's true, so many of the arguments against bitcoin are based on modern statism. If the state doesn't create it, approve of it, manage it, control it, distribute it, etc. then it must be no good.




http://quadcitiesdaily.com.s140587.gridserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/350px-ContemptofCourt-300x225.jpg

Oh. Now you want the "State" police
and courts to get your stolen Bitcoins back?



http://doberman-chat.com/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rofl.gif

madfranks
5th March 2014, 12:26 PM
Oh. Now you want the "State" police
and courts to get your stolen Bitcoins back?



http://doberman-chat.com/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rofl.gif



Theft is a crime, using money to trade is not.

Shami-Amourae
5th March 2014, 12:27 PM
http://quadcitiesdaily.com.s140587.gridserver.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/350px-ContemptofCourt-300x225.jpg

Oh. Now you want the "State" police
and courts to get your stolen Bitcoins back?



http://doberman-chat.com/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/rofl.gif



I don't. The people who want it are fucking idiots and shouldn't even be in the community. It defeats the entire fucking purpose.

EE_
5th March 2014, 12:52 PM
Theft is a crime, using money to trade is not.

I don't see it as theft, I see people freely giving their money away.
If you leave meat on the floor and the dog takes it, do you blame the dog?

Q. Will you guys still support crypto's if all the exchanges/places that accept crypto's, are fully regulated?

Shami-Amourae
5th March 2014, 12:54 PM
I don't see it as theft, I see people freely giving their money away.
If you leave meat on the floor and the dog takes it, do you blame the dog?

Q. Will you guys still support crypto's if all the exchanges/places that accept crypto's, are fully regulated?

I don't think that can happen. They can regulate things like Bitcoin, but not other coins. Once you have a crypto like Bitcoin you can anonymously buy other alt-cryptos on other exchanges. There's 500+ cryptocurrencies with new ones created literally everyday. New exchanges pop up every week or so. It doesn't take much effort to do either. Regulating it is like regulating Bit-Torrent.

The government can only really regulate when there's a conversion from USD to BTC and BTC to USD. Once you have it in the crypto-world, the government currently can't do shit with their current technology.

Most exchanges don't even deal with fiat currencies like the USD. They assume you have BTC and you buy other alt-coins with those BTC.

Ares
5th March 2014, 12:54 PM
I don't see it as theft, I see people freely giving their money away.
If you leave meat on the floor and the dog takes it, do you blame the dog?

Q. Will you guys still support crypto's if all the exchanges/places that accept crypto's, are fully regulated?

Yes, but like cash there are ways to avoid regulation and oversight.

madfranks
5th March 2014, 01:13 PM
I don't think that can happen. They can regulate things like Bitcoin, but not other coins. Once you have a crypto like Bitcoin you can anonymously buy other alt-cryptos on other exchanges. There's 500+ cryptocurrencies with new ones created literally everyday. New exchanges pop up every week or so. It doesn't take much effort to do either. Regulating it is like regulating Bit-Torrent.

The government can only really regulate when there's a conversion from USD to BTC and BTC to USD. Once you have it in the crypto-world, the government currently can't do shit with their current technology.

Most exchanges don't even deal with fiat currencies like the USD. They assume you have BTC and you buy other alt-coins with those BTC.

+1 - the crypto cat is out of the bag and there's no way to get the lid back on.

EE_
5th March 2014, 01:13 PM
I don't think that can happen. They can regulate things like Bitcoin, but not other coins. Once you have a crypto like Bitcoin you can anonymously buy other alt-cryptos on other exchanges. There's 500+ cryptocurrencies with new ones created literally everyday. New exchanges pop up every week or so. It doesn't take much effort to do either. Regulating it is like regulating Bit-Torrent.

The government can only really regulate when there's a conversion from USD to BTC and BTC to USD. Once you have it in the crypto-world, the government currently can't do shit with their current technology.

Most exchanges don't even deal with fiat currencies like the USD. They assume you have BTC and you buy other alt-coins with those BTC.

That's what I'm saying, the government will regulate all conversions to dollars. All crypto's eventually have to be converted to dollars.

If the system becomes mainstream enough that everyone accepts them and the government can't regulate them, the only recource for the government, is to destroy the exchanges. Pretty much like with the stuxnet virus they use on other government computer systems, or just by killing key people like they do all the time.

EE_
5th March 2014, 01:16 PM
+1 - the crypto cat is out of the bag and there's no way to get the lid back on.

It will be interesting to see them try. I do believe the government will have their own version soon enough.

Shami-Amourae
5th March 2014, 01:27 PM
That's what I'm saying, the government will regulate all conversions to dollars. All crypto's eventually have to be converted to dollars.

If the system becomes mainstream enough that everyone accepts them and the government can't regulate them, the only recource for the government, is to destroy the exchanges. Pretty much like with the stuxnet virus they use on other government computer systems, or just by killing key people like they do all the time.

That's why I'm trying to get USD into the cryptoworld now. I store some as Bitcoins, and other alt-coins. Most of my coins are in cold storage too.

Honestly, I don't want to convert any of it to USD, unless I were to somehow "get rich" on an alt-crypto, and make enough to buy real estate. Then I might consider converting back. I can buy a ton of things already with my coins, so it's currently a one way transaction from USD to BTC, not the other way around. Many other people are doing the same. The ones who think they are smart and buy into Bitcoin, let the price go up, then sell back into USD end up buying back into Bitcoins are higher prices. There's no point.

What I do is trade and hold in alt-coins and when I take my profits or losses I move back into Bitcoins. I don't want USD, I want cryptos.

Shami-Amourae
5th March 2014, 01:30 PM
It will be interesting to see them try. I do believe the government will have their own version soon enough.

If they give up the current Dollar, or the world gives it up, they are pretty fucked up. They won't be able to do all the shit they currently do and they will be forced to actually live within their means for once.

Bitcoin is a rejection of fiat and government run "money". The free market should decide, not the fucking idiot government.

madfranks
5th March 2014, 08:31 PM
That's what I'm saying, the government will regulate all conversions to dollars. All crypto's eventually have to be converted to dollars.

Not at all. Remember, crypto currencies are world wide. If you want to cash out in fiat, you can do so in all the world's premier fiat currencies right now, be it dollars, euros, yen, rubles, yuan, whatever.