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madfranks
5th March 2014, 12:08 PM
So... what happens when they can start "printing" precious metals??

Alchemy 2.0 – Low Energy Nuclear Reactor Creates Gold and Platinum (http://www.kitco.com/ind/Albrecht/2014-02-25-Alchemy-2-0-Low-Energy-Nuclear-Reactor-Creates-Gold-and-Platinum.html)

The transmutation from lead to gold has been mankind’s dream for millennia. Lattice Energy LLC, a company from Chicago, IL, claims to have developed a process for energy production, utilizing a low-energy nuclear reactor (LENR) that, as a byproduct of neutron captures on tungsten, will create a mix of precious metals. To learn more about the technology, Tech Metals Insider spoke with Lewis Larsen, president and CEO of Lattice.

Lattice was founded in 2001 upon the ruins of the “cold fusion” failures that had caused much hope and disappointment back in the late 1980’s. Larsen is part of a team that learned from cold fusion’s mistakes: “their heat production measurements were right”, said Larsen with respect to cold fusion, “but their conclusions about the heat being produced by a fusion process were completely wrong.”
What enabled Lattice’s new approach were recent advances in nanotechnology. “Nanotechnology and LENR are joined at the hip”, said Larsen. “It is one of the reasons why this could not be done back in 1989-90. Before our work, nobody had a grasp on the theory of neutron creation from protons and electrons in tabletop apparatus; nor on exactly how to apply advanced nanotechnology to build well-performing prototype devices.”

Combining the know-how of experts from a variety of disciplines including electro-dynamics, quantum electro-dynamics, nuclear physics and solid state physics, lead to the development of a theoretical foundation which is now ready to be prototyped, and put to the test.

The goal of Lattice is to build high performance thermal sources with outputs ranging from single watts to 100 kilowatts, the ultimate application being the use of LENRs in cars. Patents have been filed and some were issued. At this point, financing is provided by insiders and several angel investors, but larger amounts of capital are needed to take the technology to its next level.

Larsen is labeling the LENR as “green nuclear technology” – green because commercial systems could be operated very similar to aluminum production using an electric arc. The process would emit no energetic neutrons (LENR ultra low energy neutrons are all absorbed locally deep inside the reactor and are thus not a safety problem), and no gamma radiation.

When asked about differences compared to the deuterium-tritium fusion process presented by the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory last week Larsen said: “Their dirty little secret they don’t talk about is that they produce deadly, very energetic neutrons and gamma radiation. Harvesting the energy from these neutrons produced by fusion is quite difficult. Furthermore, shielding requirements will make fusion unusable for mobile and portable power generation applications.”

Larsen’s theory that gold, platinum and several other metals can be created by his process is based on findings by Japanese physicist Prof. Hantaro Nagaoka who successfully transmuted tungsten into gold back in 1924. Nagaoka’s results have been verified by several institutions in recent independent experiments but so far there has been no effort to commercialize the process. “Now that the LENR transmutation process is well understood the use of nanotechnology may change all that”, believes Larsen.

“The neutron-catalyzed LENR process follows rows of the periodic table of elements”, he went on, meaning that heavier metals than the starting targets’ will be created. The work published by Larsen and his team suggests that a tungsten target, for instance, will absorb neutrons and gradually be transmuted to gold, platinum and other platinum group metals. “And because LENR products are not dangerously radioactive”, Larsen added, “conventional metal recovery processes can be utilized.”

“Can we scale this up to a commercial process that makes money?” – Larsen is convinced it may be possible.

Serpo
5th March 2014, 01:25 PM
The Japanese also thought they where making nuclear power instead they created nuclear poison to share with the whole world............

Ares
5th March 2014, 01:32 PM
The Japanese also thought they where making nuclear power instead they created nuclear poison to share with the whole world............

But using Nuclear Fission. Nuclear Fission was developed for war, not peace time. It just had a peace time usability so it was configured for power generation instead of destruction.

Dogman
5th March 2014, 01:35 PM
But using Nuclear Fission. Nuclear Fission was developed for war, not peace time. It just had a peace time usability so it was configured for power generation instead of destruction.Dual use, just like the factually's the big pharmaceutical Co's use to make the drugs they push, the same lines can make nastys for war

Serpo
5th March 2014, 01:37 PM
But using Nuclear Fission. Nuclear Fission was developed for war, not peace time. It just had a peace time usability so it was configured for power generation instead of destruction.


The Japanese have disappointed me greatly

Ares
5th March 2014, 01:38 PM
Dual use, just like the factually's the big pharmaceutical Co's use to make the drugs they push, the same lines can make nastys for war

Even then I still see Nuclear Fission as a poor excuse for power generation. You're still just heating up water to turn to steam to turn a turbine. In the end you're left with nuclear waste that is hazardous for the next 5,000 - 10,000 years depending on the half life of the fuel they used.

Dogman
5th March 2014, 01:41 PM
Even then I still see Nuclear Fission as a poor excuse for power generation. You're still just heating up water to turn to steam to turn a turbine. In the end you're left with nuclear waste that is hazardous for the next 5,000 - 10,000 years depending on the half life of the fuel they used.Agree totally. Better to burn wood, oil and coal!

Just kidding...Not really a good answer other than never developing anything nuke.

Ares
5th March 2014, 01:49 PM
Agree totally. Better to burn wood, oil and coal!

Just kidding...Not really a good answer other than never developing anything nuke.

I'm a big supporter of LENR. Cold Fusion is the future of energy production. If these guys are right, and it's able to scale down to be put in a vehicle with no nuclear waste as a hazardous byproduct our energy problems are solved. To top it off, can sell the "waste" precious metals to buy more fuel for the reactor.

Horn
5th March 2014, 01:51 PM
So... what happens when they can start "printing" precious metals??

Greater supply will equal greater demand, of course.

Hatha Sunahara
5th March 2014, 06:22 PM
Wouldn't the minimum value of the PMs produced this way be the cost of production? Unless they are waste products of some process, I doubt they would have less value than they have now. Printing money is a lot less complicated than alchemy.


Hatha

singular_me
5th March 2014, 06:54 PM
“The neutron-catalyzed LENR process follows rows of the periodic table of elements”, he went on, meaning that heavier metals than the starting targets’ will be created.
Everything comes to pass... no exception.

also

7 years ago or so when I was reading a lot about nanotechnology, nanotech already predicted within 30 years we will develop the ability to rebuild objects, atom by atom, ... (correction: maybe not meat) And yes, when that happens... PMs will no longer called "precious"

(I dont trust nanotech as long as we have the psychopaths in charge though)

osoab
5th March 2014, 06:55 PM
thorium

osoab
5th March 2014, 06:56 PM
PMs will no longer called "precious"

speak for yourself. :)

vacuum
5th March 2014, 06:56 PM
This guy has been doing it for quite a while. He had a detailed website about it, but took it down.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQRcxt7_hj8

Some information on how it works is here, though his original website was a better source.
http://www.rexresearch.com/champion/champion.htm

Dogman
5th March 2014, 07:09 PM
Rumors and propaganda.

End result no real proof!

singular_me
5th March 2014, 07:30 PM
ps: I cant stream video with this internet package
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feb 2014
Lattice Energy LLC – “Revolutionary LENRs Could Power Future Aircraft and Other Systems”
http://www.lenrnews.eu/lattice-energy-llc-revolutionary-lenrs-could-power-future-aircraft-and-other-systems/


Uploaded on Jul 24, 2011
Widom Larsen Theory LENRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVRLcC21F14



Lattice Energy LLC
last blog (2003)
http://lattice-energy.blogspot.com/

madfranks
5th March 2014, 07:44 PM
Everything comes to pass... no exception.

also

7 years ago or so when I was reading a lot about nanotechnology, nanotech already predicted that eventually it would be able to reproduce/replicate whatever atom... from meat to metal. Anything you can imagine. And yes, when that happens... PMs will no longer called "precious"

(I dont trust nanotech as long as we have the psychopaths in charge though)

Exactly. Being able to manufacture precious metals would surely de-monetize them around the world. If the government could print gold coins as easily as they print paper money, that would surely cause prices to plummet!

Dogman
5th March 2014, 07:55 PM
Exactly. Being able to manufacture precious metals would surely de-monetize them around the world. If the government could print gold coins as easily as they print paper money, that would surely cause prices to plummet!
I would go for it if they would not "glow" in a dark room!

singular_me
5th March 2014, 08:13 PM
while we have yet to see as to whether the PTBs would put an end to this discovery (if true), on the other hand, I am sure that the use of PMs other than for investment have not reached yet their maximum expansion... and that would open the door to this as PMs would be worth peanuts.



Exactly. Being able to manufacture precious metals would surely de-monetize them around the world. If the government could print gold coins as easily as they print paper money, that would surely cause prices to plummet!

Horn
6th March 2014, 12:22 AM
Exactly. Being able to manufacture precious metals would surely de-monetize them around the world. If the government could print gold coins as easily as they print paper money, that would surely cause prices to plummet!

If gold and silver were able to be easily reproduced, other less complex items would be even more easily reproduced.

Everything would then remain relative.

Neuro
6th March 2014, 01:56 AM
From what I have read so far they don't have a clue on how to build a machine like that... Probably this is probably how gold and platinum gets created over time in nature. Tungsten get sprayed with neutrons from nuclear reactions in the center of the planet...

Ares
6th March 2014, 05:46 AM
From what I have read so far they don't have a clue on how to build a machine like that... Probably this is probably how gold and platinum gets created over time in nature. Tungsten get sprayed with neutrons from nuclear reactions in the center of the planet...

Gold, Platinum, Silver etc. Are the result of a star going supernova. Our sun is a 3rd generation star. The stellar nursery that birthed it had a lot of left over elements from previously supernova stars that also collected and deposited on earth when it formed. I'm sure there is Gold / Silver / Platinum on Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120906_silver.htm

EE_
6th March 2014, 06:10 AM
Why is it man's dream to produce gold from lead? Can someone tell me.

Gold is the most hated, mostly useless metal on earth.

Alchemy is far advanced today. We have the ability to produce something far more valuable and useful then gold, from virtually nothing, Bitcoin!

Ares
6th March 2014, 06:13 AM
Why is it man's dream to produce gold from lead? Can someone tell me.

Gold is the most hated, mostly useless metal on earth.

Alchemy is far advanced today. We have the ability to produce something far more valuable and useful then gold, from virtually nothing, Bitcoin!

So what will you advocate for if they are able to produce this type of reactor where it's "waste" products are precious metals? Then what?

Horn
6th March 2014, 06:16 AM
I'm sure there is Gold / Silver / Platinum on Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120906_silver.htm

What about the moon?

Ares
6th March 2014, 06:19 AM
What about the moon?

The moon most likely contains precious metals as well. Would be nice to have a general idea where and buy up the real estate and mineral rights.

Horn
6th March 2014, 06:25 AM
The moon most likely contains precious metals as well. Would be nice to have a general idea where and buy up the real estate and mineral rights.

Probably consume less energy to mine than a ...

We need to form a sovereign state up there first before we can invite any real estate agents, maybe call it palani or something...

Neuro
6th March 2014, 10:41 AM
Gold, Platinum, Silver etc. Are the result of a star going supernova. Our sun is a 3rd generation star. The stellar nursery that birthed it had a lot of left over elements from previously supernova stars that also collected and deposited on earth when it formed. I'm sure there is Gold / Silver / Platinum on Mercury, Venus, and Mars.

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/120906_silver.htm
Well yes that I suppose could be a possible explanation. However the article suggest that gold and silver cannot form in the same Supernova explosion, which makes it odd that they are usually mined together om earth... They come from vastly different areas of space and somehow end up in the same mine on earth, and pretty much nowhere else apart from in very minute amounts...

Horn
6th March 2014, 10:59 AM
Nasa last night said that its mission last year to fire a rocket into the dark shadows of the Cabeus crater near the lunar South Pole produced a plume of debris containing an astonishing array of volatile substances, including silver and enough water to fill a paddling pool.http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/silver-found-on-moon-ndash-and-you-thought-it-was-made-of-cheese-2113338.html



Silver is a volatile substance found on the moon.

Gold comes from the Sun's black hole Sun counterpart.

Ares
6th March 2014, 11:02 AM
Well yes that I suppose could be a possible explanation. However the article suggest that gold and silver cannot form in the same Supernova explosion, which makes it odd that they are usually mined together om earth... They come from vastly different areas of space and somehow end up in the same mine on earth, and pretty much nowhere else apart from in very minute amounts...

Yeah the article mentions that Gold and Silver most likely formed in 2 separate stars. Since Our sun is a 3rd generation star it's "parents" could of given us the precious metal bounty before passing. :)

Horn
6th March 2014, 11:05 AM
Yeah the article mentions that Gold and Silver most likely formed in 2 separate stars. Since Our sun is a 3rd generation star it's "parents" could of given us the precious metal bounty before passing. :)

You're out of line calling our bright little star 3rd generation, are you some sort of "big bang" dramatist?