The Revolution Continues

[iOWNme]

We cannot improve on history by blindly revering any individual, document, or event. We can learn a lot from the Founders, both from what they got right AND from what they got wrong. And we can do better than they did.


If you know anyone who still puts faith into the US Constitution, send them this video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlp-AfiCXNU

[madfranks]

Hey Ponce, it's your girlfriend again!

[Horn]

If you know anyone who still puts faith into the US Constitution, send them this video.

Your statement is opposed to the spirit and message of the video.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Some very powerful and compelling arguments for anarchism, aka anti-authoritarianism.


Hatha

[EE_]

The majority of the population does not want to be free. You can't change them.

[Ares]

The majority of the population does not want to be free. You can't change them.

The challenge is always how do you separate the ones who want to be left alone from the ones who won't leave them alone?

[Jewboo]

Your statement is opposed to the spirit and message of the video.




http://thefirearmreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gungirl111.jpg
" You men go kill some cops while I pose with these "











:rolleyes: Josey Outlaw...lol.

[Horn]

The majority of the population does not want to be free. You can't change them.

You have to remove their fear of death.

[iOWNme]

Your statement is opposed to the spirit and message of the video.

Its not my statement. I merely copied and pasted.


Do YOU have any personal input to this topic? Or are you just trolling as usual?

[iOWNme]

http://thefirearmreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gungirl111.jpg
" You men go kill some cops while I pose with these "











:rolleyes: Josey Outlaw...lol.





What are you so afraid of?

[iOWNme]

The majority of the population does not want to be free. You can't change them.


The 'majority' of the population have never changed the world for the better. The 'majority' of the population are spineless jellyfish who have never risked anything to accomplish greatness. Ive showed you this many times. Why do you still IMAGINE that the 'majority' of people matter? Why do you still cling to this false belief? What are YOU so afraid of?

[Horn]

Do YOU have any personal input to this topic? Or are you just trolling as usual?

Her video contradicts her statement.

[palani]

Why not be original? Instead of a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE issue a DECLARATION OF UNDEPENDENCE?

[Horn]

Why not be original? Instead of a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE issue a DECLARATION OF UNDEPENDENCE?

Do not try to rewrite history, that's impossible.

The only thing you can do is follow it, by bending yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI

[singular_me]

There is no other alternative, Hatha... I am afraid. People who think that the US constitution can be kept on life support are daydreaming

either we ARE fully responsible or not, the US Constition was written as a compromise IN BETWEEN, and that is why it was so easy to derailed it


Some very powerful and compelling arguments for anarchism, aka anti-authoritarianism.


Hatha

[Horn]

I'm almost positive right now or any time in the near future would be a rather bad time to scrap the U.S. Constitution.

Re-Constituted and law reviewed to amend would be fine and stable enough.

[iOWNme]

Why not be original? Instead of a DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE issue a DECLARATION OF UNDEPENDENCE?


If you had a gang of violent criminals outside your home threatening to use violence against you if you did not comply with their demands, would your first choice be to scribble some words on paper to prove to them you are free in hopes that they would listen?

[palani]

would your first choice be to scribble some words on paper to prove to them you are free in hopes that they would listen?

Why would I write words on paper expecting anyone to LISTEN? I have NEVER heard a sound from a piece of paper.

[iOWNme]

I'm almost positive right now or any time in the near future would be a rather bad time to scrap the U.S. Constitution.


Really? It would be bad to scrap the thing that CREATED the Federal Government? It would be bad to scrap the document that has no protections for individuals whatsoever in it? You, like so many other STATISTS assume the US Constitution is the same thing as the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. They are separate documents written over 10 years apart from each other.



Re-Constituted and law reviewed to amend would be fine and stable enough.


So why didnt the Founders 're-constitute' the Magna Carta? Why did they choose to abolish it and start over? Next, WHO is going to be the ones who 're-constitute' and 'review' the 'Law' to make it 'stable' in your idea? Why would we want to go back to the thing that created this monster in the first place?

The 'Constitution' PRETENDED to give to something called 'Congress':

The power to PLUNDER - Sometimes called 'taxation'.
The power to MURDER - Sometimes called 'war'.
The power to STEAL - Sometimes called 'eminent domain'.
The power to KIDNAP - Sometimes called 'conscription'.

And YOU want to go back to this? Do you actually understand the problem? Im literally telling you your house is on fire, and your telling me the best thing we can do is pour more gasoline on it.

What are YOU so afraid of?

[iOWNme]

Why would I write words on paper expecting anyone to LISTEN? I have NEVER heard a sound from a piece of paper.

Whats your BAR ID again?

I destroyed your argument using the same logic and reason you used. And the only thing you have is a childish remark? Come on man!

[palani]

Whats your BAR ID again? If I have none will you hold that against me?


I destroyed your argument using the same logic and reason you used. And the only thing you have is a childish remark? Come on man! Could you show me where I have an argument?

[EE_]

The 'majority' of the population have never changed the world for the better. The 'majority' of the population are spineless jellyfish who have never risked anything to accomplish greatness. Ive showed you this many times. Why do you still IMAGINE that the 'majority' of people matter? Why do you still cling to this false belief? What are YOU so afraid of?

The chick in the vid makes great points, in fact, I'd like to send her vid to Ron Paul, to challenge his belief in the Constitution

She states: "Victory will only come when humanity as a whole, gives up their faith in authoritarianism and statism."
What are the chances of that happening?

Say there are 100,000 people in this country that have 'given up their faith in authoritarianism'. How many of them are willing to give up their good families and nice homes to fight for the country to be free again?

Say I am free and no longer IMAGINE in any 'Authority'...what happens next? Please tell me how to procede.

Changing my belief system changes nothing in society. How can the small minority make the changes you seek?

[Jewboo]

Say I am free and no longer IMAGINE in any 'Authority'...what happens next? Please tell me how to proceed.




http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/lead-user-girls-guns-acme-500-0.jpg?w=500&h=407&crop=1
Kill cops and I'll let you look at my butt



:rolleyes: ...and keep sending her $10 every month (http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/?page=join-donate)

[hoarder]

I agree that all systems are subject to criticism and revision. The main fault of the system laid down by the Founding Fathers is allowing citizens of foreign countries to control the freedom of the press. Not allowing foreigners to control our mass media would have drastically changed our fate. Everything this gal complains about was caused by foreign control of our media. This is really the only revision I would condone.

When you advocate anarchism or replacing the Constitutional system with another, extreme caution is advised.

Change has almost always benefitted Jews and seldom turned out as advocated or anticipated.

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it good and hard in the hind parts.

Criticize it as you may, but there has never been a better system.

Whatever the Constitutional system is replaced by will most assuredly be worse.

Strategically, I think our best position is to defend it.

I realize I'm making a "lesser of evils" type of argument, but any political system is a social experiment. We like to flatter ourselves by thinking we can anticipate outcomes of other such social experiments, like anarchism for example, yet only systems which have been tried by history are indicative of true outcomes.

[iOWNme]

Say I am free and no longer IMAGINE in any 'Authority'...what happens next? Please tell me how to procede.



This is what you just said:

"Without a parasitic central authoritarian ruling class that bosses me around and steals my money, how will i proceed'?


Do you see the INHERENT insanity of your statement? Do YOU really need ME to tell you how to live your life? Why cant you get rid of that IMAGINARY 'system' from between your ears?

This is what drives me crazy: YOU know damn well that YOU are 100% capable of running your own life. Yet you cling to these anti-human superstitions about having some type of central 'system' to keep you safe. THERE IS NO SYSTEM! There is only you and I and we are going to have to figure out how to live together peacefully without resorting to violence as our first choice of action.

'Government' is going right to the initiation of violence as the first choice, instead of peacefully trying to resolve things using reason, logic and evidence. Using violence is only morally justifiable if used in DEFENSE against an aggressor.

EE i have to ask, why do you continue to even reply to these threads i post? I dont see you making ANY attempt to understand self ownership, the NAP and voluntaryism. If you dont think these ideologies are valid, you should be able to point out where they are contradictory. Instead you constantly belittle the message, and aggressively attack its messengers.

AGAIN i will ask you: What are YOU so afraid of?

[Jewboo]

I agree that all systems are subject to criticism and revision. The main fault of the system laid down by the Founding Fathers is allowing citizens of foreign countries to control the freedom of the press. Not allowing foreigners to control our mass media would have drastically changed our fate. Everything this gal complains about was caused by foreign control of our media. This is really the only revision I would condone.

When you advocate anarchism or replacing the Constitutional system with another, extreme caution is advised.

Change has almost always benefitted Jews and seldom turned out as advocated or anticipated.

Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it good and hard in the hind parts.

Criticize it as you may, but there has never been a better system.

Whatever the Constitutional system is replaced by will most assuredly be worse.

Strategically, I think our best position is to defend it.

I realize I'm making a "lesser of evils" type of argument, but any political system is a social experiment. We like to flatter ourselves by thinking we can anticipate outcomes of other such social experiments, like anarchism for example, yet only systems which have been tried by history are indicative of true outcomes.


:rolleyes: It has become obvious that iOWNme is a silly provocateur. To your point Hoarder, I just read this elsewhere:


Could someone please tell me, who FIRST used the term "Arab Spring"?
I've heard Obama use the term often.

Wherever that term was used Libya, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq etc.
Those countries ended up in anarchy.

This is why I get very concerned when it is used in reference to America.

This worldwide power grab is being orchestrated
above the highest levels of governments.

First the provocateurs get the citizens to assemble and
voice their demands, then the provocateurs move in to
stage riots using masked soldiers from various countries.

In the end a new dictator is put in power.

(http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?445262-RULES-OF-ENGAGEMENT.-OPERATION-AMERICAN-SPRING.-MAY-16th-2014.-DC&p=5143401#post5143401)

[iOWNme]

I agree that all systems are subject to criticism and revision. The main fault of the system laid down by the Founding Fathers is allowing citizens of foreign countries to control the freedom of the press. Not allowing foreigners to control our mass media would have drastically changed our fate. Everything this gal complains about was caused by foreign control of our media. This is really the only revision I would condone.

You mean creating a MONOPOLY on the 'press'? How are 'MONOPOLIES' created? BY GOVERNMENT. thats how.



When you advocate anarchism or replacing the Constitutional system with another, extreme caution is advised.

'Anarchy' is not a 'system', its what exists in reality. 'Anarchy' means no rulers. Do you IMAGINE there are men on this planet who have the moral right to rule you? Then YOU are an Anarchist, but you have been tricked into not recognizing reality for what it is. Would you say the sun coming up everyday is a 'system' that we must control?


Change has almost always benefitted Jews and seldom turned out as advocated or anticipated.

What you call 'change' has never really been 'change'. The founders were there own version of the 'elite' back in the day. They created a system that would benefit THEM, not everyone.

Can you please intellectually show me how self ownership, the Non Aggression Principle and Vountaryism can POSSIBLY benefit the 'Evil Jews' you speak of? Without the IMAGINED legitimacy of 'Government', the 'Evil Jews' have NO POWER. How many times can you be shown this truth before you stop believing the lies you have been told?

If 'Anarchy' would benefit the 'Evil Jews' dont you think they would have instituted it somewhere by now? LOL FUCK this argument gets OLD.


Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it good and hard in the hind parts.

Im 'wihsing' that YOU would take on the responsibility of being a human and use your own free will and conscience to rule YOURSELF. Are you telling me i should be careful of YOU? Are you telling me that without the threats of violence from 'Government' that YOU would cause me harm?


Criticize it as you may, but there has never been a better system.

There's that word again, 'system'. STOP IMAGINING A SYSTEM IS GIN TO KEEP YOU SAFE! 'Systems' are a euphemism for SLAVERY, because all 'systems' are FORCED on the individual.


Whatever the Constitutional system is replaced by will most assuredly be worse.

You mean if you leave this plantation, another Slave Master will catch you and enslave you? Do YOU have Stockholm Syndrome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome)?



Strategically, I think our best position is to defend it.

So what your saying is we need to 'defend' a piece of paper with scribbles on it in order to make sure we are not enslaved?


I realize I'm making a "lesser of evils" type of argument, but any political system is a social experiment. We like to flatter ourselves by thinking we can anticipate outcomes of other such social experiments, like anarchism for example, yet only systems which have been tried by history are indicative of true outcomes.

'Anarchy' is not a 'system' it is an anti-system. 'Anarchy' is not 'political' it is anti-political. Perhaps you should get a better understanding of what 'Anarchy' REALLY is before you bash it? I bet you agree that no man has the moral right to rule over you. I bet you agree that you own yourself. I bet you agree that the initiation of violence is immoral. I bet you agree that every transaction between individuals should be done through a voluntary basis.

So again, what is it about 'Anarchy' (reality) that you dislike?

[iOWNme]

:rolleyes: It has become obvious that iOWNme is a silly provocateur. To your point Hoarder, I just read this elsewhere:


Could someone please tell me, who FIRST used the term "Arab Spring"?
I've heard Obama use the term often.

Wherever that term was used Libya, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq etc.
Those countries ended up in anarchy.

This is why I get very concerned when it is used in reference to America.

This worldwide power grab is being orchestrated
above the highest levels of governments.

First the provocateurs get the citizens to assemble and
voice their demands, then the provocateurs move in to
stage riots using masked soldiers from various countries.

In the end a new dictator is put in power.

(http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?445262-RULES-OF-ENGAGEMENT.-OPERATION-AMERICAN-SPRING.-MAY-16th-2014.-DC&p=5143401#post5143401)

What are YOU so afraid of?

[hoarder]

Wherever that term was used Libya, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Iraq etc.
Those countries ended up in anarchy.

This is why I get very concerned when it is used in reference to America.

This worldwide power grab is being orchestrated
above the highest levels of governments.

First the provocateurs get the citizens to assemble and
voice their demands, then the provocateurs move in to
stage riots using masked soldiers from various countries.

In the end a new dictator is put in power. If we study the political movements of anarchy anywhere in the world, we find that the principal activists were mostly Jews. Their cries of "change, change, change" ring loud in the ears of those of us who best recognise Jews as the beneficiaries of those attempts to change.

[hoarder]

You mean creating a MONOPOLY on the 'press'? How are 'MONOPOLIES' created? BY GOVERNMENT. thats how.The Founding Fathers did not create a monopoly of the press, they niavely permitted it. It was all downhill from there. It took a long time, but it was inevitable that those who monopolized information would win.
Freedom of the press is free to those who own it. It does not give them absolute power, but with everything slanted in their favor 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, decade after decade, it was inevitable that not only would they amass most of the wealth, but distort the political process to give them nearly total power.

Anarchism guaratees that the most organized and ruthless gang of thugs will eventually gain power. Global anarchy guarantees that they will eventually conquer the world. At that point the political system will be whatever they want it to be.

[Ares]

If we study the political movements of anarchy anywhere in the world, we find that the principal activists were mostly Jews. Their cries of "change, change, change" ring loud in the ears of those of us who best recognise Jews as the beneficiaries of those attempts to change.

So how exactly does a Zionist Jew benefit from a society with no government to control the population?

[iOWNme]

If we study the political movements of anarchy anywhere in the world, we find that the principal activists were mostly Jews. Their cries of "change, change, change" ring loud in the ears of those of us who best recognise Jews as the beneficiaries of those attempts to change.

You are a liar. Show me where 'Jews' have advocated for self ownership, the NAP and voluntaryism. Because these 3 things UPROOT the entire power structure the 'Jews' rely on. The 'Jews' use good natured well meaning people who want to get out from under their oppressors as a TOOL for their own ends. How convenient that they use the word 'anarchy' (which means NO RULERS) to help institute their new 'rules'. You have been duped again by the 'evil jews'. LOL

If we study the religious movements of 'Christianity' anywhere in the world, we find the principal activists to be EVIL. Does this mean all 'Christians' are evil? Or does this mean that evil men have used 'Christianity' for their own purposes?

'Anarchy' is not a change, its a recognition of what already exists in reality. You stil dont get it. Its like trying to tell a child there is no Santa. Yes i will still buy you the same presents i was going to buy you before i told you there was no Santa. I just want you to stop believing in LIES, your a grown man now and its embarressing.

[Jewboo]

So how exactly does a Zionist Jew benefit from a society with no government to control the population?

A population without government is unorganized/disorganized and therefore cannot defend itself against organized Judea.

[Jewboo]

You are a liar....You stil dont get it. Its like trying to tell a child there is no Santa. Yes i will still buy you the same presents i was going to buy you before i told you therre was no Santa. I just want you to stop believing in LIES.



I doubt iOWNme is even out of high school. Probably 17 years old.


:rolleyes: whoever disagrees with iOWNme is a liar...lol.

[hoarder]

So how exactly does a Zionist Jew benefit from a society with no government to control the population?All political systems are transient, not fixed. The changes from one political system to another always give them the edge.

Just as we have learned from investing, the sure way to benefit from changes is to have foreknowledge. The same principle applies to power.

[Ares]

A population without government is unorganized/disorganized and therefore cannot defend itself against organized Judea.

But in the same token, if you organize the jew will corrupt it and use it against you. History has proven that, time and time again. If they can't corrupt your organization they will have outside sources destroy it for them example Nazi Germany.

[Ares]

All political systems are transient, not fixed. The changes from one political system to another always give them the edge.

Just as we have learned from investing, the sure way to benefit from changes is to foreknowledge. The same principle applies to power.

That still doesn't answer the question, how do they benefit from a transition from a central all powerful and controlling government to a system where there is no government or rulers?

[hoarder]

I doubt iOWNme is even out of high school. Probably 17 years old.


:rolleyes: whoever disagrees with iOWNme is a liar...lol.He's probably a sockpuppet of Bigfoot/ Libertaurum from GIM2. His modus operandi is ideology salesman and calling others liars.

[hoarder]

That still doesn't answer the question, how do they benefit from a transition from a central all powerful and controlling government to a system where there is no government or rulers?Because the transition never works out as advocated. They position themselves as the implements of change on all sides, thus ensuring the outcomes favor them.

"To control the opposition, one must start the opposition." Joseph Stalin


"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
— Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

[Ares]

He's probably a sockpuppet of Bigfoot/ Libertaurum from GIM2. His modus operandi is ideology salesman and calling others liars.

Iownme is trying to show you that Man's system of government is not real, or harmonious. It is subjugation, and the only people who advocate for that type of system are cowards. The weak always pray upon the strong and live off them like parasites.

That is why the Zionist Jew is a global parasite. They are cowards, weak and pathetic and the weak and pathetic in our own societies provide them the perfect host to suck the life out of.

[Ares]

Because the transition never works out as advocated. They position themselves as the implements of change on all sides, thus ensuring the outcomes favor them.

"To control the opposition, one must start the opposition." Joseph Stalin


"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
— Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

I've never seen Zionist Jews advocating or leading a group for the complete removal of government. Have you?

[hoarder]

But in the same token, if you organize the jew will corrupt it and use it against you. History has proven that, time and time again. If they can't corrupt your organization they will have outside sources destroy it for them example Nazi Germany.This is also true, which is why we must carefully analyze which and whether our problems are Jewish or systemic.
Instead of grand changes and social experiments, repairing an existing system (well almost existing) means less surprises. If we could simply prevent Jews from having influence in the press/mass media which is disproportionate to their population of 2 or 3%, most of our problems would be solved.

[hoarder]

I've never seen Zionist Jews advocating or leading a group for the complete removal of government. Have you?

http://www.bing.com/search?q=jwish+anarchists&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC

[hoarder]

Iownme is trying to show you that Man's system of government is not real, or harmonious. It is subjugation, and the only people who advocate for that type of system are cowards. The weak always pray upon the strong and live off them like parasites.

That is why the Zionist Jew is a global parasite. They are cowards, weak and pathetic and the weak and pathetic in our own societies provide them the perfect host to suck the life out of.Shlomo is trying to show that Jews are not the problem, that all our problems are systemic. In reality, few of our problems are systemic and most are Jewish.

[Ares]

This is also true, which is why we must carefully analyze which and whether our problems are Jewish or systemic.
Instead of grand changes and social experiments, repairing an existing system (well almost existing) means less surprises. If we could simply prevent Jews from having influence in the press/mass media which is disproportionate to their population of 2 or 3%, most of our problems would be solved.

But you can't do that with out major social experiments or changes. You would have to completely remove them from power and make laws that would prevent them from holding such positions. But that won't stop a Goyim from marrying into the Zionist Jew family and being helped along to do the bidding of the Zionist Jew. Rothschild proved that by sending off his sons and daughters but to remember where their true loyalty lay.

Sooner or later you'll have to see that you can't fix the system as the problem is the system. Without a system of government to corrupt, they won't be able to position themselves in seats of power. They use government to do their bidding disproportionate to their population. It's why over half of the Congress is dual Israeli citizens. Make a law to prevent dual citizens but leave the system in place and they'll just find another way to exploit it.

It's time to just get rid of government all together. No man has the moral, ethical, or right to tell someone else how to live his or her life and to extract their labor at the barrel of a gun.

[Ares]

http://www.bing.com/search?q=jwish+anarchists&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC

:rolleyes:

Jewish anarchism is a general term encompassing various expressions of anarchism within the Jewish community.

Different set of rules, for them. Not for us goyim.

[Ares]

Shlomo is trying to show that Jews are not the problem, that all our problems are systemic. In reality, few of our problems are systemic and most are Jewish.

Not true, the problems are systemic. The constitution failed, you cannot correct or fix this system. Bring in another one give it time rinse cycle repeat and we're right back where we started because people like you fail to see the problem is with government.

Are you a coward? Do you require someone ruling you? Are you to pathetic to provide for yourself and family? What is your desire for having such a system in place to subjugate you and your fellow man?

[Jewboo]

I've never seen Zionist Jews advocating or leading a group for the complete removal of government. Have you?




http://www.ep.tc/realist/82/01.jpg

[hoarder]

But you can't do that with out major social experiments or changes. You would have to completely remove them from power and make laws that would prevent them from holding such positions. We can't do much of anything (including anarchy) because Jews have the power, wealth and influence. For this reason we should focus on the smallest of changes which are the most likely to produce the changes that will improve our position and have the least uncertainty. That smallest change would be to disallow any ethnic group to have a media presence in excess of their population.

Also we should think of the marketability of the changes we advocate. The greater the changes, the less the likelihood of our success and the lower the likelihood of their success.


Sooner or later you'll have to see that you can't fix the system as the problem is the system.Jews want us to think all our problems are systemic. Meanwhile they improve their position.


Without a system of government to corrupt, they won't be able to position themselves in seats of power. This is not true at all. Anarchy creates voids that jews would fill. The world would be ruled by gangs of roving thugs. jews would start all these gangs, thus ensuring that they will provide the ringleaders. individuals cannot compete for power against gangs. Jews would rule with an iron fist.

Our problems are not systemic, they are jewish.

[Hatha Sunahara]

In the last few days I've been reading Lysander Spooner's No Treason--The Constitution of No Authority. I haven't finished it, even though it is not very long. Spooner makes some very sensible arguments about the incompatibility of government with the spirit of freedom. iOWNme and Spooner are on the same page on just about everything. I think you can grasp iOWNme's arguments much more easily if you read Spooner's No Treason.

I think the bottom line in the posts I am reading here is how much self-confidence people have. iOWNme keeps asking What are you afraid of? If you have enough confidence in yourself, you don't really need government to 'protect' you. They don't protect you and they charge you an exorbitant price for it. If you become self-reliant, your self confidence will grow, and you will learn to love freedom.


Hatha

[Ares]

We can't do much of anything (including anarchy) because Jews have the power, wealth and influence. For this reason we should focus on the smallest of changes which are the most likely to produce the changes that will improve our position and have the least uncertainty. That smallest change would be to disallow any ethnic group to have a media presence in excess of their population.

Which you can't do since they occupy the halls of power.


Also we should think of the marketability of the changes we advocate. The greater the changes, the less the likelihood of our success and the lower the likelihood of their success.Jews want us to think all our problems are systemic. Meanwhile they improve their position. This is not true at all. Anarchy creates voids that jews would fill. The world would be ruled by gangs of roving thugs. jews would start all these gangs, thus ensuring that they will provide the ringleaders. individuals cannot compete for power against gangs. Jews would rule with an iron fist.

You do realize that gangs only thrive on engaging in illegal activities(drugs and weapon trading) right? With no government to declare something illegal where is the financial incentive to support these types of gangs? Government also prevents people from fighting back against gangs. I lived through gang infested neighborhoods growing up, on the outskirts of Chicago. I saw how people feared gangs, but a lot wanted to fight back but couldn't because their method of fighting back was "illegal" (burning down crack houses, being able to defend yourself and your families etc.). Yet gangs don't care about legalities.


Our problems are not systemic, they are jewish.

You can keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night. But reality says differently. They compliment each other. Without a government there is nothing for the Jew to corrupt. But by all means if it's comforting to you thinking that you must be ruled, that some other human being has the right to tell you what to do and how to live, and that you just need a different slave master. Then by all means keep blaming the jew. It's been done for thousands of years. :rolleyes:

[hoarder]

Not true, the problems are systemic. The constitution failed, you cannot correct or fix this system. Bring in another one give it time rinse cycle repeat and we're right back where we started because people like you fail to see the problem is with government.The main reason it failed is because we let foreigners take control of our mass media.


Are you a coward? Do you require someone ruling you? Are you to pathetic to provide for yourself and family? What is your desire for having such a system in place to subjugate you and your fellow man?I acknowledge that as an individual I cannot compete for power and influence against a group, so I must have a system of force as a buffer between me and them.

[hoarder]

I think the bottom line in the posts I am reading here is how much self-confidence people have. iOWNme keeps asking What are you afraid of? If you have enough confidence in yourself, you don't really need government to 'protect' you. They don't protect you and they charge you an exorbitant price for it. If you become self-reliant, your self confidence will grow, and you will learn to love freedom.


HathaHow much confidence do you have that you can successfully compete for power against large groups of thugs run by Jews? Anarchy would be the same as we have now.

[EE_]

This is what you just said:

"Without a parasitic central authoritarian ruling class that bosses me around and steals my money, how will i proceed'?


Do you see the INHERENT insanity of your statement? Do YOU really need ME to tell you how to live your life? Why cant you get rid of that IMAGINARY 'system' from between your ears?

This is what drives me crazy: YOU know damn well that YOU are 100% capable of running your own life. Yet you cling to these anti-human superstitions about having some type of central 'system' to keep you safe. THERE IS NO SYSTEM! There is only you and I and we are going to have to figure out how to live together peacefully without resorting to violence as our first choice of action.

'Government' is going right to the initiation of violence as the first choice, instead of peacefully trying to resolve things using reason, logic and evidence. Using violence is only morally justifiable if used in DEFENSE against an aggressor.

EE i have to ask, why do you continue to even reply to these threads i post? I dont see you making ANY attempt to understand self ownership, the NAP and voluntaryism. If you dont think these ideologies are valid, you should be able to point out where they are contradictory. Instead you constantly belittle the message, and aggressively attack its messengers.

AGAIN i will ask you: What are YOU so afraid of?

You are wrong to think I am belittling, or attacking the messengers.
I'm searching for a real answer I don't believe exists.


we are going to have to figure out how to live together peacefully without resorting to violence as our first choice of action
I don't believe this is possible in a world based on force and violence.

I'm not asking you how to run my life...I'm asking you how you see running your life, based on this belief system?


Using violence is only morally justifiable if used in DEFENSE against an aggressor
This happens daily when you pay taxes, or submit to some other man's laws, whether it be driving your car of just crossing a street.
By this logic I should kill anyone that tells me to obey, because that is what they are threatening me with.

Since you will not answer my question, maybe someone else here that sees your views, will help out?

[Ares]

The main reason it failed is because we let foreigners take control of our mass media.

Because we started off with Free markets, and they bought their influence. The problem again is government and regulation. Do you think Hollywood and the dying MSM would still be relied upon if it wasn't for the government going for them for their propaganda needs?


I acknowledge that as an individual I cannot compete for power and influence against a group, so I must have a system of force as a buffer between me and them.

What imaginary group are you competing for power for? Why?

[EE_]

If you have enough confidence in yourself, you don't really need government to 'protect' you. They don't protect you and they charge you an exorbitant price for it. If you become self-reliant, your self confidence will grow, and you will learn to love freedom.
Hatha

Who thinks the government is here to protect you? Is that what you thought, because I sure as hell never thought that.

[Jewboo]

iOWNme keeps asking What are you afraid of?




Let's see brave iOWNme's vehicle that has no licence plate.

Let's see brave iOWNme driving without a license and insurance.

Let's see brave iOWNme getting on an airplane after refusing the usual TSA grope.

Let's see brave iOWNme cashing his check at the local bank without government identification.


:rolleyes: iOWNme actually lives in his mom's basement while posting his nonsense.

[hoarder]

Which you can't do since they occupy the halls of power. How could you change the current system to anarchy with Jews occupying the halls of power?




You do realize that gangs only thrive on engaging in illegal activities(drugs and weapon trading) right? With no government to declare something illegal where is the financial incentive to support these types of gangs? The incentive is still the same....for groups to improve their wealth, influence and power. IOW, gangs of thugs will steal everything you have and kill you. There would be no such thing as land ownership, just how much loot and territory any group could defend untill the next group out meneovers them.


Without a government there is nothing for the Jew to corrupt. What makes you think that in anarchy jews would not infiltrate and subvert every gang of thugs to their benefit?

[hoarder]

That still doesn't answer the question, how do they benefit from a transition from a central all powerful and controlling government to a system where there is no government or rulers?When in history was there ever a world without rulers?

In primitive times before any rigid system of government, tribes would always band together. Look at the days of the Indian tribes on this continent. There was no room for "rugged individualists". Tribes banded together for protection because of the everpresent reality that individuals cannot compete for power against groups (other tribes).
When a tribe member was banished from the tribe, he would go out and live on his own until he was killed by whichever superior power found him and killed him. Some banded with other outcasts called renegades.
In any case, they had to band together and live in somewhat socialistic groups where they offered each other protection.

I love individualism and living in remote areas but do not yearn to live in socialistic tribes as the Indians did back them.

Isn't this kind of socialism the reality of your anarchism?

[Ares]

How could you change the current system to anarchy with Jews occupying the halls of power?

No longer recognize the halls of power. The only reason the power exist is because people THINK that it does. In reality it's as hollow as those who wear those expensive suits.


The incentive is still the same....for groups to improve their wealth, influence and power. IOW, gangs of thugs will steal everything you have and kill you. There would be no such thing as land ownership, just how much loot and territory any group could defend untill the next group out meneovers them.

But with far different results. People will band together to defend what is theirs. You think idiot gangs (and about 90% of gang members have a barely functioning IQ) are going to be able to outsmart, or out maneuver former veterans? Or a group of people hell bent on defending their property? They are just as human and just as vulnerable as you.


What makes you think that in anarchy jews would not infiltrate and subvert every gang of thugs to their benefit?

Competition, with no government or authority of force to mandate something. Jews don't do well. Competition is a sin or weren't you aware of the Jewish motto?

[Ares]

When in history was there ever a world without rulers?

Hunter Gatherer society. Agricultural and the distribution of food proved too much of a source of power for the weak and pathetic parasites of humanity to say no too.


In primitive times before any rigid system of government, tribes would always band together. Look at the days of the Indian tribes on this continent. There was no room for "rugged individualists". Tribes banded together for protection because of the everpresent reality that individuals cannot compete for power against groups (other tribes).
When a tribe member was banished from the tribe, he would go out and live on his own until he was killed by whichever superior power found him and killed him. Some banded with other outcasts called renegades.
In any case, they had to band together and live in somewhat socialistic groups where they offered each other protection.

I love individualism and living in remote areas but do not yearn to live in socialistic tribes as the Indians did back them.

Isn't this kind of socialism the reality of your anarchism?

The only difference is that in that tribal society they banded together VOLUNTARILY for mutual benefit. What you just described for a volunteer society. No member was forced to stay, and could of left on their own if they didn't like it. They also weren't abused by their councils for ridiculous petty bullshit. You didn't see so and so bitching to the elders because John Red Claw was gutting a dear near his Teepee.

Government is the platform for the weak and pathetic parasitic class of society. Steal from thy neighbor. And like every other religion you worship your master so dutifully.

[hoarder]

No longer recognize the halls of power. The only reason the power exist is because people THINK that it does. In reality it's as hollow as those who wear those expensive suits. This is another "if everybody" type of argument. "If everbody" did a certain thing, the world would be so much better. In reality, all political systems are transient. Once one system is in place, jews will advocate another and they will gain power in transition. Look at how the US went from freedom to communism while at the same time china and Russia went from absolute tyranny to much more freedom, Jews still increasing their world power, wealth and influence.




But with far different results. People will band together to defend what is theirs. I ageee, they will form GANGS.[qoute] You think idiot gangs (and about 90% of gang members have a barely functioning IQ) are going to be able to outsmart, or out maneuver former veterans? [/quote] The former veterans will be in GANGS.
Or a group of people hell bent on defending their property? Ponce's old adage of "if you don't hold it you don't own it" will be much truer. You will be able to own your firearm and your bugout bag until they get pried from your dead cold fingers. You won't be "owning" hundreds of acres and everything will be clouded with uncertainty. With uncertainty, there is noe reason to work hard and plan your economic future. Poverty and war would rule the day.


Competition, with no government or authority of force to mandate something. Government force will be immediately replaced with gang force. the only thing there will be to compete for is POWER. To compete economically, there has to be some degree of certainty that you will be able to reap what you sow. Not so with anarchy.

[hoarder]

Hunter Gatherer society. Agricultural and the distribution of food proved too much of a source of power for the weak and pathetic parasites of humanity to say no too. Hunter gatherer societies were actually hunter gatherer raider societies.




The only difference is that in that tribal society they banded together VOLUNTARILY for mutual benefit. What you just described for a volunteer society. True. They were voluntarily socialists. No thanks.
No member was forced to stay, and could of left on their own if they didn't like it. True. they could go out and die free. None chose this unless banished.
They also weren't abused by their councils for ridiculous petty bullshit. You didn't see so and so bitching to the elders because John Red Claw was gutting a dear near his Teepee.

They lived in a culture where the highest station in life meant having the ability to get others to bend to your will. Your worth was generally measured by your value not to yourself but to your tribe.
No thanks. You can have your anarchy.

[Dogman]

This thread bothers me. Lots of platitudes but no real ways and examples of how to do.

http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76126-Where-is-the-evidence-your-Laws-appply-to-me&p=695467#post695467


What I find amazing is that for everyone that states that they are free and independent from the state and are living a life not part of society and have to abide with the rules/laws , And DAM all others for not doing like they do so. What is funny it when asked how they do it to give a blue print or a guide for others, always resort to mumbo jumbo and attack the ones that truely want to know how they live "free" and can dodge the ten ton foot that would squash you by the power that be.

I monitor the police in my area and if you do not have a licence or insurance, you may or not go to jail, depends on how many times you have been cited. Your car will be towed away, and they may put you in jail

Now some will say that is illegal and is against your "free" rights because "they" are an illegal system.

all I ever see are posters on the net , cussing or scorning all that ask the simple question. How do you do it in detail so others could walk your path.

Ask the question, it is ether dodged or you are attacked for asking the question , with the attitude of being talked down too.

End result you try to be free from the "system" the system will put you behind bars and make money off you with fines and such.

Now for the feedback, flame suite on!

All words of freedom/independence/the law does not apply to me because I am my own nation..

Crap!

Now let the worms in the wood work attack! Their highlighted and expanded text shows their passion, which is good, but there is never any real examples or proof that others can follow.

[Ares]

This is another "if everybody" type of argument. "If everbody" did a certain thing, the world would be so much better. In reality, all political systems are transient. Once one system is in place, jews will advocate another and they will gain power in transition. Look at how the US went from freedom to communism while at the same time china and Russia went from absolute tyranny to much more freedom, Jews still increasing their world power, wealth and influence.

Using the same method and system they've perfected for generations... Governments.


I ageee, they will form GANGS.

Or mutually beneficial defense societies if you prefer.


You think idiot gangs (and about 90% of gang members have a barely functioning IQ) are going to be able to outsmart, or out maneuver former veterans? The former veterans will be in GANGS. Ponce's old adage of "if you don't hold it you don't own it" will be much truer. You will be able to own your firearm and your bugout bag until they get pried from your dead cold fingers. You won't be "owning" hundreds of acres and everything will be clouded with uncertainty. With uncertainty, there is noe reason to work hard and plan your economic future. Poverty and war would rule the day.Government force will be immediately replaced with gang force. the only thing there will be to compete for is POWER. To compete economically, there has to be some degree of certainty that you will be able to reap what you sow. Not so with anarchy.

Your government indoctrination is showing. What's to stop a private defense contractor getting into the personal defense game providing you the protection you so desire from the threat of "gangs"? Why do you immediately go to the government indoctrination of the ohh it'll be soooooo scary without government mantra? Are you a coward? Why do you give those power to rule over you?

[Ares]

No thanks. You can have your anarchy.

You could of summed up all your petty bullshit meaningless banter with that one statement.

No thanks, you can have your pathetic parasitic weak and imaginary government to protect you.

[Horn]

Really? It would be bad to scrap the thing that CREATED the Federal Government? It would be bad to scrap the document that has no protections for individuals whatsoever in it? You, like so many other STATISTS assume the US Constitution is the same thing as the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights. They are separate documents written over 10 years apart from each other.





So why didnt the Founders 're-constitute' the Magna Carta? Why did they choose to abolish it and start over? Next, WHO is going to be the ones who 're-constitute' and 'review' the 'Law' to make it 'stable' in your idea? Why would we want to go back to the thing that created this monster in the first place?

The 'Constitution' PRETENDED to give to something called 'Congress':

The power to PLUNDER - Sometimes called 'taxation'.
The power to MURDER - Sometimes called 'war'.
The power to STEAL - Sometimes called 'eminent domain'.
The power to KIDNAP - Sometimes called 'conscription'.

And YOU want to go back to this? Do you actually understand the problem? Im literally telling you your house is on fire, and your telling me the best thing we can do is pour more gasoline on it.

What are YOU so afraid of?

It has been the elites plan to scrap it for the last 200 years. Even Super Woman Josey is selective in her feelings towards certain parts of it. Her refusal to accept any contract is her own choice, but its all mankind really has to rely upon in the face of tyranical elite.

Freedom requires definition in words to be enacted upon, otherwise there won"t be any.

[hoarder]

Using the same method and system they've perfected for generations... Governments. Governments don't cause injustice, people do.
The greatest time in history was the 1800's. Jews had not yet gained enough power, wealth and influence to make life miserable for us. It happened while living under the Constitutional system. Can you name a better time?




Or mutually beneficial defense societies if you prefer. They may have been "mutually beneficial" under the circumstances, but they lived under the most miserable circumstances like this for thousands of years.




What's to stop a private defense contractor getting into the personal defense game providing you the protection you so desire from the threat of "gangs"? Wealth. Jews have 90% of the world's wealth today, so they would automatically all serve the Jews.
Unless the Jews were stripped of all their wealth before the transition.
A world governed by Blackwaters would be a world of uncertainty and therefore poverty.

[hoarder]

You could of summed up all your petty bullshit meaningless banter with that one statement.

No thanks, you can have your pathetic parasitic weak and imaginary government to protect you.Ad hominem all you have left?

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

[Ares]

Ad hominem all you have left?

“All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.” Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Nope just calling it what it is. Forced oppression for the cowards and the weaker people in society. You want government to protect you. I don't. You want government to rule, I don't. I want no part of your government. Whether you're able to remove the jews or not. It matters not, as you're a slave to the system and you'll do whatever you can to keep it. That much is apparent. Changing the slave master doesn't change your status of a slave.

[Horn]

The only revolution that Ares and Sui are concerned with is the one that happens in their own pants.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zR6ROjoOX0

Others don't enter into the equations.

[Jewboo]

What I find amazing is that for everyone that states that they are free and independent from the state and are living a life not part of society and have to abide with the rules/laws...What is funny it when asked how they do it to give a blue print or a guide for others, always resort to mumbo jumbo...




http://oinkety.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/basement.jpg
"iOWNme" in his mom's basement









:rolleyes: iOWNme will never actually tell us how HE is able to live free...lol.

[Jewboo]

It matters not, as you're a slave to the system and you'll do whatever you can to keep it. That much is apparent.





http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UeuaziTfv8Q/TLObIqOM8fI/AAAAAAAAACU/ZVHVzUp4krE/s1600/homeless_laptop.jpg
Apparent how Ares lives his freedum




:rolleyes: never describes how he himself is actually "free"

[hoarder]

Or mutually beneficial defense societies if you prefer. Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist!

[Dogman]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UeuaziTfv8Q/TLObIqOM8fI/AAAAAAAAACU/ZVHVzUp4krE/s1600/homeless_laptop.jpg
Apparent how Ares lives his freedum




:rolleyes: never describes how he himself is actually "free"




Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist!

I am a semi old fart and do wonder what miracle that I have missed to be "free" without the state comming down on my like two tons of bricks and I end up in jail.

I have seen some here try and become "independent" the republic of texas movemment is one good example and they were "squished" and hiding, try and see where they are at in this year of 2014 and methinks they are quivering.

Really sad because at the time (1980's) I had hopes..That was my first and last time , that I even thought to become "independent" from the system. I hope but all I see is the same , crap , with no blueprint that others can follow without being tossed into an Illegal jail on Illegal charges by an Illegal gov.

You can not win when 99% support the "system" in place. The numbers are against you...I lived that fact.

Now tell me what is new, that WILL/CAN work?

Nobody can! the system is geared that the majority rules.

[palani]

Now tell me what is new, that WILL/CAN work?

Nobody can! the system is geared that the majority rules.

You can use the procedures practiced by this group

http://creditorsincommerce.com/

I normally don't advocate commerce as a path to freedom but once you have figured out how to free yourself and start practicing it then the system will find you so toxic that they won't want to have anything at all to do with you. You make yourself unpalatable and when a shark comes up to see if you are a tasty morsel they will spit you out rather than chow down.

[Dogman]

You can use the procedures practiced by this group

http://creditorsincommerce.com/

I normally don't advocate commerce as a path to freedom but once you have figured out how to free yourself and start practicing it then the system will find you so toxic that they won't want to have anything at all to do with you. You make yourself unpalatable and when a shark comes up to see if you are a tasty morsel they will spit you out rather than chow down.Thank you, you have just given me a dam good example of what my posts were about..

Mumbo jumbo..

[palani]

Thank you, you have just given me a dam good example of what my posts were about..

Glad to be of service.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Who thinks the government is here to protect you? Is that what you thought, because I sure as hell never thought that.

People who lack self confidence think they need government to protect them People who have self confidence are usually very busy protecting themselves from government. I never thought the government protects me; I belong to the second group


Hatha

[Ares]

Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist!

Lose an argument go to name calling because you can't justify your position? I would expect nothing less from you. Lack of self confidence to even defend yourself or your family, I see why you need someone else to do it for you.

The only gangs you approve of are state sponsored right? Yet I'm the "statist" for advocating people forming their own mutually beneficial defense group. My difference is that it would be voluntary. Yours is by force because you're too much of a coward to provide for your own.

Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy. Just don't get pissed when not everyone wants to take part in your pipe dream of mutual oppression.

[EE_]

People who lack self confidence think they need government to protect them People who have self confidence are usually very busy protecting themselves from government. I never thought the government protects me; I belong to the second group


Hatha

Tkanks for clearing that up...it's what I thought. You're all right man!

I've always known I had to look out for myself and mine. I bought my first firearm on my 21st birthday and have owned and carried all my life. I think you could call me an outlaw for a portion of my life too. The people that run this show and make these laws meant nothing to me...they were just the enemy I had to stay clear of.

A little story that happened to me.
During my youth and the muscle-car era, a friend was riding with me when we got in an altercation....long story short,
I stopped the guy in the street to see wtf was his problem (he had a chick in his truck). He decided to take off and hit my car when he did.

The chase was on, I was traveling maybe a 100 mph through a couple towns on his ass when this guy got the bright idea to pull into a police station and run inside. To his surprise I kept coming right in behind him.

There was a 10 minute fight inside the station lobby right in front of a lady dispatcher. He got his ass kicked very well I might add. All the cops were out on patrol that night and the dispatcher was in a panic on what to do. She called for assistance but it was 15 minutes before they arrived.

The point of this story is to show I never gave a crap about the man, or their bullshit laws.
So when IOWNme is trying to tell me to imagine there is no authority, it not something new to me. I've been there all of my life!

PS: I did go to court over the above, but that's another story.

[Horn]

They should never be able to call any of us infidels.

6101

[hoarder]

I would like to see how much self confidence some of the anarchists around here would have when they come home some day to find 30 gangbangers in their living room doing it with their wife.

[Ares]

I would like to see how much self confidence some of the anarchists around here would have when they come home some day to find 30 gangbangers in their living room doing it with their wife.

If you're too much of a coward just admit it.. No shame in being a coward. I just refuse to be one like you.

To prove I'm not a coward I'll tell you about my time being a 3rd shift gas station attendant on the west side of a shitty part of town.


I was going to college, and for extra pay I worked 3rd shift at a gas station. One night while doing the cigarette count a guy in a ski mask ran in put a .38 in my face and told me to open the drawer. I open the cash drawer, took it out and placed it on the counter in front of him. He put his gun in his pocket to grab the cash with both hands. I had a tire iron underneath the cash register, which I quickly grabbed with my right hand and hit him with every thing I had on top of his head. He dropped like a sack of potato's. I jumped over the counter, got the gun out of his pocket and held it on him while I called the cops. He required over 30 stitches and was knocked out for 2 days with a concussion.

You may live in fear, I feel sorry for people like you. Weak, pathetic, and constantly in fear needing someone else to protect them.

This is what governments get you:

http://www.oocities.org/marcswebs/I_Was_Just_Obeying_Orders....jpg

[hoarder]

If you're too much of a coward just admit it.. No shame in being a coward. I just refuse to be one like you.

To prove I'm not a coward I'll tell you about my time being a 3rd shift gas station attendant on the west side of a shitty part of town.


I was going to college, and for extra pay I worked 3rd shift at a gas station. One night while doing the cigarette count a guy in a ski mask ran in put a .38 in my face and told me to open the drawer. I open the cash drawer, took it out and placed it on the counter in front of him. He put his gun in his pocket to grab the cash with both hands. I had a tire iron underneath the cash register, which I quickly grabbed with my right hand and hit him with every thing I had on top of his head. He dropped like a sack of potato's. I jumped over the counter, got the gun out of his pocket and held it on him while I called the cops. He required over 30 stitches and was knocked out for 2 days with a concussion.

You may live in fear, I feel sorry for people like you. Weak, pathetic, and constantly in fear needing someone else to protect them.Brag brag brag insult insult insult. Individuals cannot compete for power against groups. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but bravery will not consistently help you overcome the odds.

[hoarder]

I have a disadvantage in this argument and it is political correctness. One can pretend our problems are systemic and still be politically correct. If one has the courage to point out that the problem is Jewish, one becomes shunned by respectable society.


In a corrupt society, the truth can be found in what is forbidden to say.

[singular_me]

Q: "Do We Ever Really Get Out of Anarchy?"
A: we cannot get rid of anarchy. Anarchy works either from the bottom up or the top down. http://mises.org/journals/jls/3_2/3_2_3.pdf

'the bottom up' version is the most peaceful

By the way, Anarchy does not mean 'chaos' but "absence of rulers"... when referring to chaos, it is a deceptive dictionary interpretation... when the lie is repeated enough, everyone begins to believe it is true.

---------------------





When you advocate anarchism or replacing the Constitutional system with another, extreme caution is advised.
.

[Ares]

Brag brag brag insult insult insult. Individuals cannot compete for power against groups. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but bravery will not consistently help you overcome the odds.

If someone puts a gun to your face, what else have you got to lose? My philosophy is if you pull a gun on me, you better fucking use it.

You may get on your knees and kneel for a gang that comes to execute you, but I will not. That's not bravery, that's being honorable to yourself and not letting them just take what they want.

There's no point in debating a coward. You've lived in fear most of your life and run to your master whenever you want to feel "safe" because you need someone else to provide it for you. Gangs or group of people don't scare me. Will I lose? Most definitely, but not without taking at least one of them with me.

[Horn]

I would like to see how much self confidence some of the anarchists around here would have when they come home some day to find 30 gangbangers in their living room doing it with their wife.

They have yet to include in any exact written definitions their brand of anarchy except to say its within them, regretfully I'm inclined to believe that they might rather just sit back and enjoy the scene.

Rather than grab some kind of rudimentary weapon, or even a pen at such a sight.

[hoarder]

Q: "Do We Ever Really Get Out of Anarchy?"
A: we cannot get rid of anarchy. Anarchy works either from the bottom up or the top down. http://mises.org/journals/jls/22_1/22_1_1.pdf

'the bottom up' version is the most peaceful

By the way, Anarchy does not mean 'chaos' but "absence of rulers"... when referring to chaos, it is a deceptive dictionary interpretation... when the lie is repeated enough, everyone begins to believe it is true.

---------------------There is no such thing as "absence of rulers". Show examples of how well this idea has worked.

Aristotle proclaimed in 350 BC, "nature abhors a vacuum".

[hoarder]

If someone puts a gun to your face, what else have you got to lose? My philosophy is if you pull a gun on me, you better fucking use it.

You may get on your knees and kneel for a gang that comes to execute you, but I will not. That's not bravery, that's being honorable to yourself and not letting them just take what they want.

There's no point in debating a coward. You've lived in fear most of your life and run to your master whenever you want to feel "safe" because you need someone else to provide it for you. Gangs or group of people don't scare me. Will I lose? Most definitely, but not without taking at least one of them with me.Again you dodge the issue and distract with insults. Individuals cannot consistently compete for power against groups. They either die or form their own gangs. Gangs have rulers.

[singular_me]

yes sure, thats a good question... but such a question condones a pro-ruler/elite society.

Most gangs today have been created by the government's prohibitions. At this stage nobody can fanthom a true free society, we'll have to try it at our own risks... some day.

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I would like to see how much self confidence some of the anarchists around here would have when they come home some day to find 30 gangbangers in their living room doing it with their wife.

[Ares]

I have a disadvantage in this argument and it is political correctness. One can pretend our problems are systemic and still be politically correct. If one has the courage to point out that the problem is Jewish, one becomes shunned by respectable society.


In a corrupt society, the truth can be found in what is forbidden to say.

Political Correctness is also a product of government.

[Ares]

Again you dodge the issue and distract with insults. Individuals cannot consistently compete for power against groups. They either die or form their own gangs. Gangs have rulers.

I've already answered you, you just refuse to see it. Gangs only engage in illegal activity for profit. Where is the profit motive with no government declaring something illegal (yet engaging in it themselves I might add)

How has your government experiment worked out for Mexico's drug gangs who as of late have slaughtered over 20,000 people per year? So your justification for a government to keep gangs in check doesn't really work in that scenario either.

[singular_me]

when everybody engages in contracts without coercion, tricks, and with respect, there cant be any ruler, its impossible. It is the use of force and the lies that keep a ruler on life support.

the idea will have to work out some day... we have to get rid of linear thinking. Yes, it will be very difficult, but the fate of mankind rests on it:)


There is no such thing as "absence of rulers". Show examples of how well this idea has worked.

Aristotle proclaimed in 350 BC, "nature abhors a vacuum".

[EE_]

the idea will have to work out some day... we have to get rid of linear thinking. Yes, it will be very difficult, but the fate of mankind rests on it:)

I believe the fate of mankind has long been sealed.
Mankind will be wiped out, just as many civilizations before us have.
There will be few survivors.
It may come during our lifetime.

[hoarder]

Most gangs today have been created by the government's prohibitions.------------True, but you dodged the issues I brought up in my post.


Political Correctness is also a product of government.Political correctness is a product of Jewish media and academics.


I've already answered you, you just refuse to see it. Gangs only engage in illegal activity for profit. Where is the profit motive with no government declaring something illegal (yet engaging in it themselves I might add)The profit is in stealing food, gas, daughters and anything else. In an uncertain world of anarchy, poverty would be a huge motive.


How has your government experiment worked out for Mexico's drug gangs who as of late have slaughtered over 20,000 people per year? So your justification for a government to keep gangs in check doesn't really work in that scenario either.I don't disagree that ZOG is corrupt.


when everybody engages in contracts without coercion, tricks, and with respect, there cant be any ruler, its impossible. There cannot be the absence of a ruler or rulers. Voids cannot exist. They never had.

the idea will have to work out some day... we have to get rid of linear thinking. Yes, it will be very difficult, but the fate of mankind rests on it:)Faith in social experiments over the tried and true Constitutional Republic. The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and Jewish help.

[Ares]

There cannot be the absence of a ruler or rulers. Voids cannot exist. They never had.Faith in social experiments over the tried and true Constitutional Republic. The road to hell is paved with good intentions...and Jewish help.

The Constitution and indeed the Republic has unfortunately failed. Neither one of us has been born in a Republic, it died during the Civil war.

Our disagreements center on your belief that there needs to be a ruler, while some of us don't want any rulers. So it goes back to the same scenario that there are those who want to be left alone to fend for themselves, and there are those who won't leave them alone and force their compliance at the barrel of a state sanctioned gun.

[hoarder]

The Constitution and indeed the Republic has unfortunately failed. Neither one of us has been born in a Republic, it died during the Civil war. It died over a period of many years, but the age of teevee killed it the fastest. If the republic didn't have to live under the dark cloud and foreign owned media it would have taken centuries longer to fail, if ever.


Our disagreements center on your belief that there needs to be a ruler, while some of us don't want any rulers. I don't want a ruler either. America didn't have a ruler back in 1850. I'm not an idelogue, just a realist. The system laid down by the Founders was the closest example of a nation without rulers in the history of mankind.


So it goes back to the same scenario that there are those who want to be left alone to fend for themselves, and there are those who won't leave them alone and force their compliance at the barrel of a state sanctioned gun.Those individuals who want to be left alone to fend off hundreds of gangbangers will not live long anyway. Individuals cannot consistently compete for power against groups.

[midnight rambler]

I would like to see how much self confidence some of the anarchists around here would have when they come home some day to find 30 gangbangers in their living room doing it with their wife.

'Doing it with' implies consent. What you're describing sounds like rape, and in such a case a MAN has only one choice in the matter, regardless of the ultimate outcome -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvSZ_HQmZgQ

Not only that, WHY did you leave your woman in a position without layered security in place and an AK and/or a Benelli shotgun handy?? ??? Those 'gangbangers' you describe are every bit afraid of dying as anyone else. The key to survival when in a jam is not allowing death to have a grip on you.

[hoarder]

'Doing it with' implies consent. What you're describing sounds like rape, and in such a case a MAN has only one choice in the matter, regardless of the ultimate outcome - I didn't mean to imply consent.


Not only that, WHY did you leave your woman in a position without layered security in place and an AK and/or a Benelli shotgun handy?? ???Some situations can be avoided and defended against, some can't. Again, individuals cannot consistently defend themselves from groups. The odds are are impossible.

[Libertytree]

"Those individuals who want to be left alone to fend off hundreds of gangbangers will not live long anyway. Individuals cannot consistently compete for power against groups."

The thought that comes to mind is about the Chineese General who said that it was foolish to invade America because there was a gun behind every blade of grass. Why would we be more worried about these "gangs" than we would be an entire super nation invading us? If China thought twice or twenty times about it don't ya think some punk ass gang might have a problem too?

[singular_me]

Hoarder, I am not dodging and I think you defend your point of view very well.

However, it all boils down to being ruled or not and, that's where you and I disagree.

Anybody who really cares about freedom can't make any compromises...


in the meantime, yes I have paid my taxes for last year... waiting for the world economic demise to free me and jump into the 'no-ruler bandwagon'.

[midnight rambler]

I didn't mean to imply consent.Some situations can be avoided and defended against, some can't. Again, individuals cannot consistently defend themselves from groups. The odds are are impossible.

I'm thinking you missed my edit. Criminals are every bit afraid of dying as anyone else, only the real psychopaths excepted (and their life expectancy will be extremely short anyway since they will be *dying* to take point).

[hoarder]

"Those individuals who want to be left alone to fend off hundreds of gangbangers will not live long anyway. Individuals cannot consistently compete for power against groups."

The thought that comes to mind is about the Chineese General who said that it was foolish to invade America because there was a gun behind every blade of grass. Why would we be more worried about these "gangs" than we would be an entire super nation invading us? If China thought twice or twenty times about it don't ya think some punk ass gang might have a problem too?I'm worried about both. In either case, jews will be behind the agression and they have the strategic good sense to choose their battles and timing to do them the greatest benefit.
By all means be well armed, however don't forget that gangbangers are well armed too. If they get hungry and horny they will do things they wouldn't otherwise do.

[Libertytree]

"Some situations can be avoided and defended against, some can't. Again, individuals cannot consistently defend themselves from groups. The odds are are impossible."

Yes, those odds are impossible BUT.....what makes you think that individuals would attempt such and why good folks would not band together in this circumstance?

[midnight rambler]

yes I have paid my taxes for last year...

You haven't managed to get your strawman below the threshold for the filing requirement?

Here's a hint: the Individuals Representing Satan have two and only two categories for those who won't pay up - tax protester and deadbeat. They know they can't squeeze blood out of a turnip, so it's best to come across as a deadbeat who doesn't have anything to seize (and don't give them any motivation to target you like becoming an outspoken 'tax protester').

[hoarder]

.

Anybody who really cares about freedom can't make any compromises....It's very infrequent that men value liberty enough to die for it as our Founding Fathers did. This is why, when they do, we must get as much momentum out of the event as we can and fix the foreign media problem in the Bill of rights and carry on with the Constitutional Republic.

I'm thinking you missed my edit. Criminals are every bit afraid of dying as anyone else, only the real psychopaths excepted (and their life expectancy will be extremely short anyway since they will be *dying* to take point).I did miss your edit. because gangbangers are afraid of dying, they'll choose lone wolf individuals as targets and shoot them in the back of the head from a distance before taking their preps/females.

[Horn]

waiting for the world economic demise to free me and jump into the 'no-ruler bandwagon'.

We will all continued to be ruled by courts of public opinion regardless, it will never die.

Is why you're so touchy when jewboo singles out your eccentricities, or when Suckhoi Fan ignores me when I ridicule his fanaticism.

We're watching. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4kx6xbZf2U

[Libertytree]

"I did miss your edit. because gangbangers are afraid of dying, they'll choose lone wolf individuals as targets and shoot them in the back of the head from a distance before taking their preps/females."

At what point do you think the hunters do not become the hunted?

This thread has deviated and now we're in survival mode and not discussing the original intent of the OP. I do reckon that it's a normal extrapolation of it all though.

[singular_me]

We will all continued to be ruled by courts of public opinion regardless, it will never die.

Is why you're so touchy when jewboo singles out your eccentricities, or when Suckhoi Fan ignores me when I ridicule his fanaticism.

We're watching. :)


okay maybe on here when I am verbally attacked, I have to defend myself, but in the physical world, I tend to be very open-minded, kinda non-judgmental and empathic... I do not attract animosity.

as for Book, we have made peace last week :) I am sure he is lurking right now though

[midnight rambler]

"I did miss your edit. because gangbangers are afraid of dying, they'll choose lone wolf individuals as targets and shoot them in the back of the head from a distance before taking their preps/females."

At what point do you think the hunters do not become the hunted?


That's my it's my assertion that in communities inhabited by the very salty types those 'gangbanger's are going to have VERY short and miserable lives. You can forget about the very salty types (e.g. combat vets) hunkering down in their hidey-holes waiting for something to happen. No, they're going to be out making it happen. Haven't you ever studied Sun Tzu Hoarder??

[hoarder]

"I did miss your edit. because gangbangers are afraid of dying, they'll choose lone wolf individuals as targets and shoot them in the back of the head from a distance before taking their preps/females."

At what point do you think the hunters do not become the hunted?Of course the gangbangers and zombies would be hunted in times of anarchy. There are many variables to consider. Desperate people will take greater risks than people with food in the larder. Jews will be running the larger groups and recruiting others with the spoils. These larger groups will be methodical in procuring the most and best spoils at the least risk first, leaving the less numerous, more capable resisters for last. They will also be methodical in strengthening the position of Jews in general.
When the hunted become the hunters, it would either be a suicide mission or they will have formed groups. Many of these groups will be led by Jew controlled opposition and purposefully led to their deaths.

This process may be slow, it may even be better than we have it now (although I doubt it). It will not by any means be better than the decades after our Founding Fathers laid down their Constitutional Republic.

During these events, many of the masses, most led by Jews, will be crying out for solutions. Those solutions will be worse than anarchy itself. They will call for an end to anarchy. What replaces anarchy may be worse.

Best not to throw away our Constitutional Republic for another social experiment.

[midnight rambler]

Jews will be running the larger groups

There aren't THAT many joos, and I submit they're gonna be making themselves scare in flyover country.

I also submit that your reasoning is flawed.

[hoarder]

That's my it's my assertion that in communities inhabited by the very salty types those 'gangbanger's are going to have VERY short and miserable lives. You can forget about the very salty types (e.g. combat vets) hunkering down in their hidey-holes waiting for something to happen. No, they're going to be out making it happen. Haven't you ever studied Sun Tzu Hoarder??The problem with Whitey is that he's individualistic and not as well geared for cohesion as the gangbangers will be. Our leadership voids will be filled by unohoo.

Yes, I have read Sun Tsu.

For those who haven't, here it is free online: http://suntzusaid.com/

[hoarder]

There aren't THAT many joos, and I submit they're gonna be making themselves scare in flyover country.

I also submit that your reasoning is flawed.The Khazars are a warrior tribe with a history of renting themselves out as mercenaries to neighbors, often at the demise of the latter. They thrive under these conditions.

It's not enough to say my reasoning is flawed, What is flawed about it?

[midnight rambler]

The Khazars are a warrior tribe with a history of renting themselves out as mercenaries to neighbors, often at the demise of the latter. They thrive under these conditions.

It's not enough to say my reasoning is flawed, What is flawed about it?

I suggest you start your own thread on "da joos this and da joos that" since it appears you have an unwavering fixation on da joos. If they are such fearsome badass warriors how come they get others to do their dirty work for them?? And how come they've gotten booted out of so many countries over the centuries?? They got their asses handed to them the last time they ventured into Lebanon - I recall seeing photos of those pussies crying. Yeah, they're real brave when facing off with a bunch of stone throwing children, along with using children as human shields. They strike me as a bunch of cowards. They are NOT fucking omnipotent.

Enough of derailing this thread.

[Libertytree]

The problem with Whitey is that he's individualistic and not as well geared for cohesion as the gangbangers will be. Our leadership voids will be filled by unohoo.

Yes, I have read Sun Tsu.

For those who haven't, here it is free online: http://suntzusaid.com/

IMHO, you are wrong.

[hoarder]

I suggest you start your own thread on "da joos this and da joos that" since it appears you have an unwavering fixation on da joos. I'm surprised to see this coming from you.
If they are such fearsome badass warriors how come they get others to do their dirty work for them?? Because they're smart.
And how come they've gotten booted out of so many countries over the centuries?? Only the overt Jews got booted. The covert ones married royalty and took over to invite their brethren back.

[Tumbleweed]

hourders right about being vulnerable when you're alone. I suspect he has spent a lot of his time alone like I have and he knows from experiance what he's talking about. I doubt that any of the rest of you have had that kind of experiance or you'd be agreeing with him.

[Dogman]

Total bullshit, the world is more complex than, only hate one bunch and they are the source of the worlds problems.


Not so ... Bunch of greedy peopl of all races and have no connection to any religion are guilty


Greed is universal..

[Dogman]

Total crap!

[Dogman]

Total crap! Out of sync with my reply, there is so much hate and total crap, I do feel sorry for they that think this way. Lot's of good people in this world of all walks of life. I do not care, I am tired of seeing blame on any race.

I do not like any race, try me!!

I have seen more humiliatingly and care in my life than some pure believers..

Nuff said and will not respond to idiots that are cuddeling teddy bears.

[Libertytree]

hourders right about being vulnerable when you're alone. I suspect he has spent a lot of his time alone like I have and he knows from experiance what he's talking about. I doubt that any of the rest of you have had that kind of experiance or you'd be agreeing with him.

I agree with hoarder in this respect BUT...everyone would be seeking out other like minded folks in the same situation. FWIW, I've spent the majority of my life alone too.

I've come to the conclusion that I was born broke, naked and free and I will die the same except with shorts and a t-shirt on. I won't feed this beast and at the most it's minimal obligation ie a DL, to be able to stay out of their larger system. Fuck it all.

[Tumbleweed]

I agree with hoarder in this respect BUT...everyone would be seeking out other like minded folks in the same situation. FWIW, I've spent the majority of my life alone too.

I've come to the conclusion that I was born broke, naked and free and I will die the same except with shorts and a t-shirt on. I won't feed this beast and at the most it's minimal obligation ie a DL, to be able to stay out of their larger system. Fuck it all.

That's not the kind of alone I'm talking about. I've been around people all my life who spend a lot of time alone and that means not seeing anyone for days at a time. The work they may be doing can be dangerous and if they get in trouble no one is coming to look for them or help them. No one is going to survive for long if they don't have some kind of back up or help in times when they need it.

A person who is alone is very vulnerable when they are alone and facing a group too.
The Jews help each other and I know that as well first hand. I know how they help each other fleece the goy in the business I'm in. I've been watching and fighting them for years and it takes a group to fight them. No one person can do it alone.

[Jewboo]

in the meantime, yes I have paid my taxes for last year...




https://d18gmz9e98r8v5.cloudfront.net/ptr/20130927205121_765793966_2322_9.jpg

No-Compromise Goldy also carries her New Mexico Drivers License and has license plates on her pickup.


:rolleyes:

[Dogman]

Another change, I did my best to be the uniprotional, asshole on the block, I already held the titel of the oldest one here and within a 1/2 mile or so, then the town grew around me. Which is total shit, but it took years to do. in some ways.

When I went over seas, to the Vietnam thingy, and came back, hell places I used to play and nobody, suddenly there were houses.

I do not have time to type and try explain,

In so many life sucks and we have to deal with it..

Hate is a cop..out.

[singular_me]

LOL, you have a good memory. Yes this is the same truck I have but it only has one cab.

ps: my taxes were minimal. :) Nothing to cry about





https://d18gmz9e98r8v5.cloudfront.net/ptr/20130927205121_765793966_2322_9.jpg

No-Compromise Goldy also carries her New Mexico Drivers License and has license plates on her pickup.


:rolleyes:

[aeondaze]

Total bullshit, the world is more complex than, only hate one bunch and they are the source of the worlds problems.
Not so ... Bunch of greedy peopl of all races and have no connection to any religion are guilty
Greed is universal..

Sure, but its is not universaly culturaly ingrained like it is in the jewish culture.

They're less than 2 % of the US population, but they are over 10% in the senate and 7% of the house of reps. Overrepresentation by a factor of between 3 to 5 compared to their demographic, that doesn't accont for the pro izzy shabos either.

What about ivy league entrants? 25 to 40% are jewish overrepresentation by a factor between 12 and 20.

So why are they there? There is a reason, its not bizare coincidence and it isn't genetic superiorority. Its because of their need to control and their greed, which is culturaly ingrained. Along with the importance they place on education, which western Europenas do not do to the same degree.

They are not smarter Hoarder, they just value education more than their counterparts who have been misled into believing that being smart=geek=unsexy=unpopular by the MSM which is....low and behold, close to 95% owned and managed by jews and jewish interests.

The one thing that makes then stand out is not inteligence, its their fierce ethnocentricity and cultural pride in underhandedness and cheating.

You don't have to be particulaly smart to brainwash the populace, you just need to control the megaphone.

They're just like the rest of us, at some point they need to take a shit and are vulnerable.

This is the reality.

[Jewboo]

as for Book, we made peace last week :)




http://smileyfanklubb.5mp.eu/honlapkepek2/smileyfanklubb/wm6QQI2qH0/kicsi/hjg.png

[Jewboo]

Sure, but its is not universally culturally ingrained like it is in the jewish culture.

They're less than 2 % of the US population, but they are over 10% in the senate and 7% of the house of reps. Over-representation by a factor of between 3 to 5 compared to their demographic, that doesn't account for the pro izzy shabos either.

What about ivy league entrants? 25 to 40% are jewish over-representation by a factor between 12 and 20.

So why are they there? There is a reason, its not bizarre coincidence and it isn't genetic superiority. Its because of their need to control and their greed, which is culturally ingrained. Along with the importance they place on education, which western Europeans do not do to the same degree.

They are not smarter Hoarder, they just value education more than their counterparts who have been misled into believing that being smart=geek=unsexy=unpopular by the MSM which is....low and behold, close to 95% owned and managed by jews and jewish interests.

The one thing that makes then stand out is not intelligence, its their fierce ethnocentricity and cultural pride in underhandedness and cheating.

You don't have to be particularly smart to brainwash the populace, you just need to control the megaphone.

They're just like the rest of us, at some point they need to take a shit and are vulnerable.

This is the reality.


I quote this because......................................it is excellent analysis.


:)

[Dogman]

I quote this because......................................it is excellent analysis.


:)And also total bullshit, it depends white people do not have a lock on being smart.

Sorry to say this sad truth, I deal with reality and am pragmatc.


A bright mind, is a god send no matter shades.

[Jewboo]

I deal with reality and am pragmatc.




You obviously are drunk.................................again.

[Dogman]

You obviously are drunk.................................again.No sir,

Being truthful, any idiot can look at history and see what I see.

Edit: If they have two brain cells to rub together.

[aeondaze]

And also total bullshit, it depends white people do not have a lock on being smart.

Sorry to say this sad truth, I deal with reality and am pragmatc.


A bright mind, is a god send no matter shades.

I quote FACTS, and you spout unqualified denials, then claim to be pragmatic? Try hypocriticle.

No competition really...:D

And where was it stated that 'whites', which I prefer to call western europeans, are smarter? NOWHERE.

You're just shooting blanks at this stage...

o)(~

[Dogman]

I quote FACTS, and you spout unqualified denials, then claim to be pragmatic? Try hypocriticle.

No competition really...:D

And where was it stated that 'whites', which I prefer to call western europeans, are smarter? NOWHERE.

You're just shooting blanks at this stage...

o)(~

And I think I hear a bigot in your thoughts.

Good mines are that are not pouted with hate, have no race.

[aeondaze]

And I think I hear a bigot in your thoughts.

Good mines are that are not pouted with hate, have no race.

No, what you can hear is the sound of your own stupidity.

As book said, it appears you've been drinking again. Maybe you need to sleep it off. You might make some sense in the morning, if you're lucky...

[Dogman]

No, what you can hear is the sound of your own stupidity.

As book said, it appears you've been drinking again. Maybe you need to sleep it off. You might make some sense in the morning, if you're lucky...
Kool, what ever, I am and walked this earth, for a total of 63 years , total but i do admit there are only a few decades that I may be wrong, I have seen and lived in this time, can you say the same..

or can I call you punk>?<

The thing is I do disagree in general terms, some bad and some good, just like white people. No race has a lock.

[Jewboo]

A person who is alone is very vulnerable when they are alone and facing a group too.






http://trutube.tv/video/2661/Pregnant-White-Woman-Beaten-By-Several-Blacks (http://trutube.tv/video/2661/Pregnant-White-Woman-Beaten-By-Several-Blacks)

[midnight rambler]

Its because of their need to control and their greed, which is culturaly ingrained.

IMO it's largely genetic programming via DNA, which can be influenced via culture.

[singular_me]

after having watched Bruce Lipton's lecture on how emotions affect/alter the DNA, I second that!


IMO it's largely genetic programming via DNA, which can be influenced via culture.

[iOWNme]

A population without government is unorganized/disorganized and therefore cannot defend itself against organized Judea.

Are you 'organized' because we have a 'Government'? Or are you 'organized' because you care about your own life?


What are YOU so afraid of?

[iOWNme]

A population without government is unorganized/disorganized and therefore cannot defend itself against organized Judea.

Can you show me this great national 'Government' who is organized and can defend itself against the 'evil Jews'? Do you know how the 'Jews' get their perceived power? By the MONEY systems of a 'Government'.

If there were no 'Government' MONOPOLY on the money system, and everyone traded with whatever they wanted to voluntarily, how are the 'evil Jews' going to be able to amass great wealth when there is no central currency and hence NO TAXATION racket?


What are YOU so afraid of?

[iOWNme]

I doubt iOWNme is even out of high school. Probably 17 years old.


:rolleyes: whoever disagrees with iOWNme is a liar...lol.

ad-hominem attack and character assassination. Two tactics used by individuals who have no intellectual acumen and who cannot debate on facts or evidence.


What are YOU so afraid of?

[hoarder]

Are you 'organized' because we have a 'Government'? Or are you 'organized' because you care about your own life?


What are YOU so afraid of?Anyone who disagrees with IOWNme/Biglib is "afraid".


(pre-emptive ad hominem attack)

[iOWNme]

He's probably a sockpuppet of Bigfoot/ Libertaurum from GIM2. His modus operandi is ideology salesman and calling others liars.


Is this really all you have? You have no intellectual acumen. You have no gravitas. All you have is a label. Stop deflecting. Stop trying to put a label on me. Stop trying to make yourself feel more comfortable when faced with stuff that makes you feel uncomfortable.

Do you want to debate me live on this topic? I will let you decide the time and place, and what type of communication, skype, etc. We can both record it so we can have original copies. I will upload it to my YT channel for all to see and hear. If i am so wrong it should be very easy for you to prove my position false using reason logic and evidence. Do you dare to accept my challenge? Or are you going to scurry back into the interwebs when challenged on your beliefs? I have no problem having a sane and rational discussion with you, live, face to face, so we can really dig deep into these issues and see if we can come to a common understanding.

For all of the people at GSUS who attack and label me, there hasnt been a single poster who has accepted my challenge to debate me. If i am wrong, but you wont debate me, then why do you CONSTANTLY troll my threads? If i am so wrong, wouldnt you just ignore them?


What are YOU so afraid of?

[iOWNme]

Because the transition never works out as advocated. They position themselves as the implements of change on all sides, thus ensuring the outcomes favor them.

"To control the opposition, one must start the opposition." Joseph Stalin


"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
— Vladimir Ilyich Lenin


How come they have never instituted 'Anarchy' after their supposed 'controlled revolutions' if it is so perfect for them? Wouldnt all nations be 'Anarchistic' by now? Wouldnt they have abolished all 'Governments' by now?

Because under Anarchy there are no rulers. Which means there is no taxation farm system for them to conquer and control. There is no central banking system for them to conquer and control. There is no transportation, communication, schooling, etc systems for them to conquer and control. Why dont they conquer and control the most remote areas of south america where there is no 'Government' but only tribes of individuals who have never been to the outside world?

Becasue it would be of no benefit to them to conquer people who will not recognize them or submit. aka = anarchists.

[Jewboo]

You are a liar...You stil dont get it. Its like trying to tell a child there is no Santa...I just want you to stop believing in LIES, your a grown man now and its embarressing.





:rolleyes:






ad-hominem attack and character assassination. Two tactics used by individuals who have no intellectual acumen and who cannot debate on facts or evidence.

[hoarder]

How come they have never instituted 'Anarchy' after their supposed 'controlled revolutions' if it is so perfect for them? Wouldnt all nations be 'Anarchistic' by now? Wouldnt they have abolished all 'Governments' by now?The point, Biglib, is to lead all movements while encouraging the movement of their choice to succeed. The goyim are killed off in the process of these conflicts.

[Jewboo]

For all of the people at GSUS who attack and label me, there hasnt been a single poster who has accepted my challenge to debate me.




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/05/07/article-0-19A887DF000005DC-508_468x423.jpg
Ignore the whiner

[iOWNme]

This is also true, which is why we must carefully analyze which and whether our problems are Jewish or systemic.
Instead of grand changes and social experiments, repairing an existing system (well almost existing) means less surprises. If we could simply prevent Jews from having influence in the press/mass media which is disproportionate to their population of 2 or 3%, most of our problems would be solved.

So we finally got to it, your afraid of surprises, so you advocate for 'Government' (in whatever limited way you do) to make sure there are no surprises. But, like Ive pointed out a MILLION times to you and others, there is no 'system' that can guarantee you no 'surprises'. There are only individual people, each doing right or wrong, and each having to deal with the responsibilities of their actions. That is all. Nothing more.

Did you know that actual freedom requires you to maybe live with some 'surprises'?

Is it a 'surprise' when your own 'Government' disregards the will of the people and crushes them under its foot? LOL

[iOWNme]

http://www.bing.com/search?q=jwish+anarchists&src=IE-SearchBox&Form=IE8SRC

Hoarder shows is ignorance, bigotry and biased opinions by claiming that 'Anarchism' must be a bad thing, because there have been Jewish people who advocated for it. Hoarder is actually incapable of looking at what someone said and picking apart the good from the bad. He puts all people into two categories: Jew and non Jew.

By this exact same line of thinking, all white males are bad because most of the worlds problems have been carried out by them. UGG.


Even though there have been WHITE EUROPEAN philosophers talking about Anarchy for 2000 years.

Jesus was an 'Anarchist'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism

[Jewboo]

Whoever disagrees with iOWNme is " AFRAID "


:rolleyes:

[iOWNme]

Shlomo is trying to show that Jews are not the problem, that all our problems are systemic. In reality, few of our problems are systemic and most are Jewish.

Im going to repeat myself over and over for you.....

How many times have you been accosted on the side of the road and threatened with violence by one of these 'evil jews'? How many times has this happened to you by YOUR OWN KIND?
How many times have you been pout into a cage for a non violent crime by one of these 'evil jews'? How many times has this happened to you by YOUR OWN KIND?

As a matter of fact how many of these 'evil jews' make up the 'enforcer' class? The Police, Military, etc? How many goyim of YOUR KIND are in this class?

So it seems to me that you are being oppressed by YOUR OWN KIND, right in front of your face, and you still cry out "its the jew" while YOUR OWN KIND strikes you down. Why arent you blaming the individuals who are actually carrying out the evil? Because without them, the 'evil jew' has NOTHING.

You keep cutting away at those tiny branches with the majority. Ill be over here with the tireless minority hacking away the root.

[Libertytree]

I think most people have had it ingrained into their minds that anarchy is a state of chaos and total bedlam, confusion etc... Voluntaryism though seems to me to be a better descriptor. If the .gov collapsed today yes there would be chaos but mostly from those who get gov checks or are employed by the gov, the rest of us would hardly even notice.

[hoarder]

Im going to repeat myself over and over for you.....Hey Big-Lib, who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?

[BarnkleBob]

Revolution eh?

Question?: What is the I.Q. of the average American?

Answer: 98

Source: http://www.statisticbrain.com/countr...st-average-iq/

A 98 avg. I.Q. indicates that the average Americans intellectual abilities border on a constant state of witlessness.... They NEED .gov to direct them in most aspects of their daily life in order to survive in the modern age.... w/o .gov, they will perish! The general public is mentally incapable of comprehending the exploitation schemes that are used against them.... IMO, almost all problems in our society is the result of low i.q.'s and the ability to critically think & analyze events and schemes....

“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.

[Jewboo]

Im going to repeat myself over and over...






http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m820j1qUwt1rblu8no1_500.gif
JEWS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS JEWS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS JEWS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS...



:rolleyes:

[iOWNme]

We can't do much of anything (including anarchy) because Jews have the power, wealth and influence. For this reason we should focus on the smallest of changes which are the most likely to produce the changes that will improve our position and have the least uncertainty. That smallest change would be to disallow any ethnic group to have a media presence in excess of their population.

There it is again, Your afraid of 'uncertainty'. Did you know that there is going to HAVE to be some uncertainty if you want to live free? But you dont actually want to live free, you want mommy and daddy 'Government' to take care of you.


Also we should think of the marketability of the changes we advocate. The greater the changes, the less the likelihood of our success and the lower the likelihood of their success.Jews want us to think all our problems are systemic. Meanwhile they improve their position. This is not true at all. Anarchy creates voids that jews would fill. The world would be ruled by gangs of roving thugs. jews would start all these gangs, thus ensuring that they will provide the ringleaders. individuals cannot compete for power against gangs. Jews would rule with an iron fist.

You have never read any Anarchist philosophy have you? You bring up the most childish arguments against anarchy which have been debunked 2000 years ago.

So if this happened YOU would personally allow these thugs and gangs to take over YOUR neighborhood? Would YOU personally allow gangs to control YOUR life? If the Chinese Army invaded YOUR house tomorrow would you roll over and submit? So why would you defend yourself against thugs, criminals and the Chinese Army, but you wont defend yourself against the 'Police' and 'Military'?

No, chances are you would try and resist them in whatever way YOU thought would be wise. And so would 300 million other people. Hence the argument that if we had no 'Government' that we would be run over by gangs is a false assumption, and always has been. YOUR masters have trained this into you. NOBODY is going to allow themselves to be run over and controlled by what they perceive as 'illegitimate' power. They only bend to the will of what they perceive as 'legitimate'.


Our problems are not systemic, they are jewish.

The problem exists between your ears. Its the thing that makes you resist and disobey what you see as 'illegitimate' bad guys while you IMAGINE a moral obligation to obey the 'legitimate' bad guys. But since you have no moral principle behind your beliefs, you cannot make a clear distinction between the two.

[iOWNme]

How much confidence do you have that you can successfully compete for power against large groups of thugs run by Jews? Anarchy would be the same as we have now.

There wouldnt be any such thing under Anarchy.

'Evil Jews' get their money and power through various MONOPOLIES from 'Government'. You keep pointing to current problems, which came FROM GOVERNMENT, and try to say this is why we must have 'Government'.

http://calwatchdog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/circular-reasoning.jpg

[hoarder]

Hey Big-Lib, who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?Come on Big-Lib. Is the mass media a business or a weapon?


Just askin'.....

[iOWNme]

Let's see brave iOWNme's vehicle that has no licence plate.

Let's see brave iOWNme driving without a license and insurance.

Let's see brave iOWNme getting on an airplane after refusing the usual TSA grope.

Let's see brave iOWNme cashing his check at the local bank without government identification.


:rolleyes: iOWNme actually lives in his mom's basement while posting his nonsense.



What are YOU so afraid of?

[Jewboo]

“The few who understand the system will either be so interested in its profits or be so mentally incapable of comprehending the tremendous advantage that capital derives from the system, will bear its burdens without complaint, and perhaps without even suspecting that the system is inimical to their interests.” The Jew Rothschild brothers of London writing to associates in New York, 1863.




https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Albert_Shanker_NYWTS_crop.jpg/225px-Albert_Shanker_NYWTS_crop.jpg


Albert Shanker (September 14, 1928 – February 22, 1997) was president of the United Federation of Teachers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Teachers) from 1964 to 1985 and president of the American Federation of Teachers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers) (AFT) from 1974 to 1997.

Shanker was born on Manhattan’s Lower East Side (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_East_Side) (New York City)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Shanker#cite_note-1) to a Russian-Jewish immigrant family.









:rolleyes: DUMBED DOWN THE GOYIM CHILDREN FOR DECADES

[BarnkleBob]

Sorry, the Jews are not some super race, regardless of whatever the say or propaghandize!

A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement finds that the average IQ for Ashkenazi Jews is
(Washington Summit Publishers, 2011) 110, for Sephardic Jews 98-99, Oriental Jew Jews is and Falasha Jews (a largely African group) < 70.

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/07/jewish-intelligence/

[iOWNme]

When in history was there ever a world without rulers?

When in history was the world flat?
When in history was the earth the center of the universe?
When in history was it ok to own a black man?

Can you follow the logical historical progression of individual Liberty?

First, Religions ran the world, with almost no individual freedom. After thousands of years of the 'Divine Right' was thought to be irrational. Men got to the point where they realized there has to be some things the King cannot do to us, hence the Magna Carta. After 500 years of that failed system men traded in their old beliefs for a new one: 'Representative Government', which brought even more individual freedom. After trying various methods of this man got to the point, intellectually, where he decided he needed almost NO GOVERNMENT at all, only a very small limited one, hence the Constitution, BoR, and DoI. And now finally after a couple hundred years of that failed experiment, it is only logical that the next step in the evolution of individual Liberty is going to be the last: Self Ownership = Anarchy.

Your Founders were INTELLECTUALS. I dont see many members here at all capable of using INTELLECT to figure out the world. And when someone like me tries to, i get labeled and ridiculed, by the members who are the most afraid of themselves.

[Jewboo]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Albert_Shanker_NYWTS_crop.jpg/225px-Albert_Shanker_NYWTS_crop.jpg


Albert Shanker (September 14, 1928 – February 22, 1997) was president of the United Federation of Teachers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Federation_of_Teachers) from 1964 to 1985 and president of the American Federation of Teachers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Federation_of_Teachers) (AFT) from 1974 to 1997.

Shanker was born on Manhattan’s Lower East Side (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lower_East_Side) (New York City)[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Shanker#cite_note-1) to a Russian-Jewish immigrant family.









:rolleyes: DUMBED DOWN THE GOYIM CHILDREN FOR DECADES



Nobody here said that Sneaky Jews are a super race BarneyBob. You posted your complaint that goyim are stupid and I posted proof that JEWS control goyim schools.

:(??

[Jewboo]

I dont see many members here at all capable of using INTELLECT to figure out the world.




:rolleyes:

[EE_]

How many times have you been accosted on the side of the road and threatened with violence by one of these 'evil jews'? How many times has this happened to you by YOUR OWN KIND?
How many times have you been put into a cage for a non violent crime by one of these 'evil jews'? How many times has this happened to you by YOUR OWN KIND?

As a matter of fact how many of these 'evil jews' make up the 'enforcer' class? The Police, Military, etc? How many goyim of YOUR KIND are in this class?

So it seems to me that you are being oppressed by YOUR OWN KIND, right in front of your face, and you still cry out "its the jew" while YOUR OWN KIND strikes you down. Why arent you blaming the individuals who are actually carrying out the evil? Because without them, the 'evil jew' has NOTHING.

I vehemently disagree with your analogy the oppressors are "YOUR OWN KIND"...they are not!
When a person takes money from a criminal to harm another person, he becomes exactly the same as the criminal that paid him. I could say the same for Jewish money, when you take it to do the Jews work you are the same as the Jew, or criminal.

Let's back up for a minute and look who the Jew is. He is a tribe of people, probably the most organized tribe in the world.
The Jew helps other Jews rise to wealth and power like no other tribe does.

The Jew is very focused in helping other Jews occupy the highest positions of power in our enviroment. This includes money/finance, media/learning, government/law, commerce/markets, food/medicine.

The Jew does not seek money for wealth, they seek it for power over others.

Those goyim you speak of are very small fish swimming in their sea. The Jews great wealth/power allows them to easily buy the small fish and make them a servant of the Jew...call them the hand of the Jew, or just 'Jew' for short.

Again, I don't see "YOUR OWN KIND" oppressing us. They are pseudo-Jews.


If the Chinese Army invaded YOUR house tomorrow would you roll over and submit? So why would you defend yourself against thugs, criminals and the Chinese Army, but you wont defend yourself against the 'Police' and 'Military'?

If a foreign army invaded this country, most/if all citizens would be up in arms to fight them.
The problem we have, is the population doesn't see the Zioinst invaders in this country as the enemy. Most are taught to believe they are our best friends and love and support them.

Edit

'Evil Jews' get their money and power through various MONOPOLIES from 'Government', they control. You keep pointing to current problems, which came FROM GOVERNMENT,they control, and try to say this is why we must have 'Government', they control.

[hoarder]

I dont see many members here at all capable of using INTELLECT to figure out the world. And when someone like me tries to, i get labeled and ridiculed, by the members who are the most afraid of themselves.If the members here are too shallow for you, why don't you go back to the forum you usually hang out:

http://www.crossstitchforum.com/

[singular_me]

I stated earlier in this thread that the dictionary gives a deceptive definition of anarchy on purpose (part of education system hoax), anarchy is not chaos but "absence of ruler(s)"...


I think most people have had it ingrained into their minds that anarchy is a state of chaos and total bedlam, confusion etc... Voluntaryism though seems to me to be a better descriptor. If the .gov collapsed today yes there would be chaos but mostly from those who get gov checks or are employed by the gov, the rest of us would hardly even notice.

[singular_me]

Even though there have been WHITE EUROPEAN philosophers talking about Anarchy for 2000 years.

Jesus was an 'Anarchist'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_anarchism

for sure He was!

time to revive an old thread of mine (16 pages)

I Want Anarchy In My Life Time Not Capitalism
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?27549-I-Want-Anarchy-In-My-Life-Time-Not-Capitalism


QUOTING MYSELF
Anarchy cannot work out because the majority is fearful when it comes down to maximizing freedom and free will.... freedom/freewill cannot be coerced in any way. That is why we can never implemented it, its delusional in sense that its enforcement is impossible

Jews or not in the picture, all we have gotten so far are derived forms of collectivism... with some periods of time a little bit freer than others.

that is what I have tried to explain in the religious/philosophy forum countlessly... many view utopia as a lalaland... while in fact it is the only solution we can embrace to get rid of unworkable models. It is only when we push the imagination to the extreme, unthinkable,, that we find our salvation.

People who think we can fix whatever problem with the same thinking that created it, are delusional to some extend.

the only dilemma that is at stake: with rulers or not... take your pick.. if one choose "rulers", one want to be decieved. Over time, and it may not be obvious at first sight, ruling powers will always try to grab more and more power. the ruling concept is deceptive at its core.

Anarchy espoused the chaos theory of organized randomness.

anarchy cannot sustain itself without a certian/high level of self-awareness... and should we ever reach this step, all these questions will turn out being senseless.

You ask yourself all this because you look back at history... yes there are true concerns, I wont deny that.

One thing is certain is that if there is ever a shift toward anarchy, the transition will be brutal, whatever may cause it. A massive societal shock must occur. The choice has to be benevolent, although being prompted by an absolute use of force in the first place.

utopia is all we have to get rid of NWO... without no extreme bold move, global fascism is here to stay. true anarchy will never be a "movement" because it is initiated by a self-realization, If you see a such a movement, it very likely will be NWO induced.

there are laws and princpicles that works well for small communities because everything can be handled approrpriately and quickly. It is massive bureaucracy causing rampant corruption the problem.

Even democracy might work for a village, but apply it a grand scale, it is doomed to fail and leads to despotism. See it as a each piece of puzzle being a part of thw whole. Just like a for living organism, the good health of every cell is necessary first. .

Arnarchy would ensure that people go live in whatever area with like minded people, thus share the same values to start with. Self-segregation would become a common fact of life, as oppsed to forced integration, what we now have.

It is not a racial issue, it is about being afraid of freedom... all the elites (2% of world population) suffer from the same psychopathy because people (98% of population) are the enablers.

2% versus 98% = who is the most guilty do you think?

so religions must be enforced??

anybody who is highly self-aware, atheist or not, follow universal/cosmic/god's rules.

today we have god in every country and where is the gain?

stop being stuck in the past... look ahead... I know, very challenging. But challengers and outside the box thinkers are always winning - in the long run.

The problem is that good politicans are not eternal... laws can be overwritten, as they alsways have been, if history is any indication. In the end only the agreement between seller and new owner remains

we have more than 4,000 years of political and economic frauds... and today the outcome is crystal clear. genocide/massive devastating poverty in sight. Many see anarchism as the wild west, but it is coming anyway... beyond that it is just about speculations... which road: back to the old mode and trying to fix it... or the asboulte fed up?

I do NOT call for anarchy but FULL awareness, being the master of one'self... If you endorse that, then your goal is to trim down laws as much as possible, until you end up with FULL self responsibility

obviously I have struck a nerve again.

I didnt cause the world upcomng demise, did I?... so we will see what survivors decide.

Yes, for you, in your realm of rightenousness, this is black or white, but you cannot prove that white/black without comparing opposites. You need my point of view to sustain yours and otherwise.

again you are a law enforcer and I consider the use of force/coercion as evil...

Property will soon become very fictive for many... why dont you focus on the positive I say: that we stand READY to help others in the area. But thats too much for your thinking because ppl who go along with "compassion and free will" is something that you cannot grasp. Maybe never will grasp. I call this self-awareness.

[hoarder]

I think most people have had it ingrained into their minds that anarchy is a state of chaos and total bedlam, confusion etc... Voluntaryism though seems to me to be a better descriptor. If the .gov collapsed today yes there would be chaos but mostly from those who get gov checks or are employed by the gov, the rest of us would hardly even notice.Anarchy would be a social experiment. We really can only speculate how it would turn out. The only examples in history were very primitive cultures and the quality of life was poor and the average lifespan low.
It has never been tried in a first world nation in modern times, let alone a multicultural one.


The only way Americans could try it would be to deliberately end the Constitutional Republic, and they would do so with the knowledge that they would never be able to get it back.

When the proposed anarchy fails, what will it be replaced with?

[Horn]

I imagine one of the first instances of any governance was surrounding the utility resource of water. Probably created firstly by the grunt with the largest club, then by a cunning cherub who made a rudimentary sling shot.

Anyone who was not friends of those guys dehydrated, so the skinny ones formed the first democracy.

[Horn]

for sure He was! ,, time to revive an old thread of mine

stop the pain, please.

No more jewish anarchists, or antichrist risen from the dead.

Ishtar is more than a couple months out. :)

[mick silver]

If they are such fearsome badass warriors how come they get others to do their dirty work for them??because they have the dirty work done for them then come in at the end and clean it up and rule at the time an place

[mick silver]

this all sounds great but but just how do we get back whats been taken
Can you show me this great national 'Government' who is organized and can defend itself against the 'evil Jews'? Do you know how the 'Jews' get their perceived power? By the MONEY systems of a 'Government'.

If there were no 'Government' MONOPOLY on the money system, and everyone traded with whatever they wanted to voluntarily, how are the 'evil Jews' going to be able to amass great wealth when there is no central currency and hence NO TAXATION racket?


What are YOU so afraid of?

[Horn]

this all sounds great but but just how do we get back whats been taken

The answer is in the U.S. Constitution.

[mick silver]

right now the usa is fighting wars around the world for who again ? hell the troops i see coming home from theys wars know who ?

[Libertytree]

Anarchy would be a social experiment. We really can only speculate how it would turn out. The only examples in history were very primitive cultures and the quality of life was poor and the average lifespan low.
It has never been tried in a first world nation in modern times, let alone a multicultural one.


The only way Americans could try it would be to deliberately end the Constitutional Republic, and they would do so with the knowledge that they would never be able to get it back.

When the proposed anarchy fails, what will it be replaced with?

It seems to me that the Constitutional Republic was assassinated long ago. What we have now is some form of twisted, crony, elitist, democracy or some shit.

[Horn]

What do you suppose would be the reaction of International Bankers if a U.S. presidential candidate came forth that promised to create a Department of Gov. to review all other Departments for their Constitutionality, and propose bills to Capitol hill striking those agency, depts. and laws from the books?

I imagine they would label him an Anarchist.

[midnight rambler]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m820j1qUwt1rblu8no1_500.gif
JEWS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS JEWS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS JEWS ARE NOT THE BAD GUYS...



:rolleyes:



*For the record* I've never said that da joos are not 'some' of the wicked, and that's just it, da joos are SOME of the wicked, not the wicked in the entire aggregate, e.g. GHWB is not a joo and he's at the very top levels of the wicked. And most importantly while many may consider da joos ***GAWD'S CHOSEN*** they are NOT fucking omnipotent - note my sig line from one of their most prominent members of their tribe.

[hoarder]

It seems to me that the Constitutional Republic was assassinated long ago.
It ain't dead, it's just ignored. It still has a little dry powder left and they're afraid of it.

[midnight rambler]

It ain't dead, it's just ignored. It still has a little dry powder left and they're afraid of it.

I submit that the Republic is "the house that no one lives in." Some me evidence that proves otherwise.*

*when 99.99% of the population relies upon the beast system for their 'identity' then there's nothing left of the Republic to grasp onto for those of us who don't want anything to do the beast system - I speak from experience

Hoarder, have you got any form of govt. ID which you rely on?


they're afraid of it.

Show me how 'they' are 'afraid' of (the people and the people's common law via the Republic) (you should know better to make such a statement in light of how you carry on about da joos' control of the media - which I take no issue with).

[hoarder]

*For the record* I've never said that da joos are not 'some' of the wicked, and that's just it, da joos are SOME of the wicked, not the wicked in the entire aggregate, e.g. GHWB is not a joo and he's at the very top levels of the wicked. And most importantly while many may consider da joos ***GAWD'S CHOSEN*** they are NOT fucking omnipotent - note my sig line from one of their most prominent members of their tribe.Personally, I think the Bushes are Marranos. Daddy doesn't have the features but junior sure does.

[hoarder]

I submit that the Republic is "the house that no one lives in." Some me evidence that proves otherwise.*

*when 99.99% of the population relies upon the beast system for their 'identity' then there's nothing left of the Republic to grasp onto for those of us who don't want anything to do the beast system - I speak from experience

Hoarder, have you got any form of govt. ID which you rely on?



Show me how 'they' are 'afraid' of it (you should know better to make such a statement in light of how you carry on about da joos' control of the media - which I take no issue with).As Horn put it, they're afraid of "the Court of Public Opinion".

[midnight rambler]

As Horn put it, they're afraid of "the Court of Public Opinion".

That's SO funny! Have you considered working as a comedian?

Again, you really should know better knowing how da joos have a death grip on public opinion via the media. They've got most thoroughly hypnotized via their media monopoly.

[hoarder]

That's SO funny! Have you considered working as a comedian?

Again, you really should know better knowing how da joos have a death grip on public opinion via the media. They've got most thoroughly hypnotized via their media monopoly.They've got everything slanted in their favor, but that doesn't mean the media gives them absolute power.
Ask yourself this question: Why don't the Jews simply round up their 2000 worst enemies and haul them off to the camps? 2000 people like you and me and all the people who host anti-semitic websites? If they have absolute control, they would have nothing to lose.

In reality, they are afraid to do this because they see consequences you are not looking at. When people start getting hauled off to the camps in significant numbers, it raises eyebrows. This is "The Court Of Public Opinion".

[midnight rambler]

The Matrix is a system, Neo. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it.

If you're not one of us you are one of them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIoMXYBztdg

[Libertytree]

It ain't dead, it's just ignored. It still has a little dry powder left and they're afraid of it.

Yeah, I think they have great concern and apprehensions about poking the sleeping giant but stil, their actions have shown me no inkling of fear. Rather opposite, more like, FUCK ALL OF YOU! WE'LL DO WHAT WE WANT WHEN WE WANT TO DO IT, OF COURSE IT'S FOR YOUR OWN GOOD...STUPID FUCKING PEASANTS!

[midnight rambler]

When people start getting hauled off to the camps in significant numbers, it raises eyebrows. This is "The Court Of Public Opinion".

You know as well as I do that 'they' are in 'mop-up operation' mode and that sort of thing could go down at ANY moment (seeing as how they've been working diligently and incrementally to put all those mechanisms in place for over 30 years). EVERYDAY progress in being made there, UNABATED. And where's your 'public opinion' on that?? THAT is an IMMEDIATE threat. (and where's Book's favorite image of the fat fucker in the lounger pigging out in front of the one-eyed monster?)

[Horn]

Again, you really should know better knowing how da joos have a death grip on public opinion via the media. They've got most thoroughly hypnotized via their media monopoly.

They seem to have been slipping with AIPAC sanctions on Iran lately. Public opinion has always turned against in the past, it will again.

Maybe by 2039 we'll get it right. :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwpcNKdxsz4

[hoarder]

You know as well as I do that 'they' are in 'mop-up operation' mode and that sort of thing could go down at ANY moment (seeing as how they've been working diligently and incrementally to put all those mechanisms in place for over 30 years). EVERYDAY progress in being made there, UNABATED. And where's your 'public opinion' on that?? (and where's Book's favorite image of the fat fucker in the lounger pigging out in front of the one-eyed monster?)Having mechanisms in place and actually implementing them and engaging in visible mass genocide are two different events which may be 30 years apart. Jews are only 2 or 3% of the population. Overplaying their hand is risky and they know it.

[midnight rambler]

Having mechanisms in place and actually implementing them and engaging in visible mass genocide are two different events which may be 30 years apart. Jews are only 2 or 3% of the population. Overplaying their hand is risky and they know it.

But didn't you just post earlier in this thread how da joos are all positioned ALREADY to organize and command the actions of the gangbangers*?? ??? Which is it, are they ready NOW or NOT??

*yeah, let those pissant fuckers kick the fire ant mound and see what happens - I mentioned your crazy notion about 'organized gangbangers' to a buddy of mine living deep in redneck country in SE Texas and he just laughed and laughed (this is the same area where the NG had roadblocks set up after Rita and when the natives were returning to their abodes, the NG initially said "No." then thought better of it and hauled ass when the local rednecks showed up ready to start shooting [as in "GET THE FUCK OUT OF OUR WAY, we're going home!"] - if the NG backs down do you REALLY think 'organized gangbangers' have a snowball's chance in Hell?)

[Libertytree]

Having mechanisms in place and actually implementing them and engaging in visible mass genocide are two different events which may be 30 years apart. Jews are only 2 or 3% of the population. Overplaying their hand is risky and they know it.

The things we've been watching them accomplish are meant for sooner rather than later, IMO. 1+ BILLION bullets WTF? The jews/illuminati/elite may be the puppet masters but what about all of the underlings and a majority of the population that still believes we're the good guys, they wouldn't hurt us and will fight to preserve that paradigm.

[midnight rambler]

During the War for Independence it's estimated that 10-15% of the population were Loyalists. I'd venture a guess that because of the efficiency of mass hypnosis via mass media that the number of 'Loyalists' today is >40%...or even higher, and this CERTAINLY includes many gunowners (who have neutered themselves). All one needs to see to become convinced of this strange phenomenon is to visit and post ANY notion of being 'contrary and free thinking' on any number of 'gunowner' forums and be overwhelmed with this sort of shit (pretty much kills the 'public opinion will save the day' meme lol) -


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M

[Horn]

Oh ye of little faith, shutest thou trap before I shut it for thee.

There may be call for infidel charges in this thread after all.

[Horn]

IMO. 1+ BILLION bullets WTF?

They were busy arming Nazi's prior to WWII also.

[singular_me]

You have to have missed my posting with the mises.org link titled "do we really ever get rid of anarchy"... to summarize it... we either have anarchy from the top down , or from the bottom up...

anarchy is here to stay :)
http://mises.org/journals/jls/3_2/3_2_3.pdf

it is utterly essential to grasp this to opt for the "from the bottom up" version


What do you suppose would be the reaction of International Bankers if a U.S. presidential candidate came forth that promised to create a Department of Gov. to review all other Departments for their Constitutionality, and propose bills to Capitol hill striking those agency, depts. and laws from the books?

I imagine they would label him an Anarchist.

[Horn]

anarchy is here to stay :)

With me you will gain nothing more than an inch, ever. For I AM the State and chosen to render public opinion, I too will never leave.

The only thing you might hope for is a well defined and mitigatory contract between us, otherwise I will eat you just as much as I am sure you find me appetizing.

[iOWNme]

Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist! Statist!

Nice try. You really are an intellectually dishonest person. Ares example is 100% based off of a VOLUNTARY basis. Nobody will be FORCED to fund a 'defense society', it will be done through voluntary transaction. And you dishonestly try and connect it to Statism. I'll call you out every time you use untrustworthy and fraudulent accusations.

[iOWNme]

http://oinkety.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/basement.jpg
"iOWNme" in his mom's basement









:rolleyes: iOWNme will never actually tell us how HE is able to live free...lol.




What are YOU so afraid of?

[Libertytree]

Back to the original OP. I started out as a Libertarian, the left/right paradigm was obvious to me before voting age but still I made stupid conclusions the 1st 8 years. After that I abandoned it totally and voted with my conscious knowing it was useless but at least I was doing the right thing in my mind.

So, I considered myself a libertarian rebel, a Constitutionalist, fully faithful to the Founders and the ideology of We The People and the Republic.

Now all that youthful faith has been proven wrong time and time and time again and I'm left having to reconsider my thoughts, perceptions and ideology.

I still admire the founders even though that they were flawed men, who isn't? But....the Constitution is flawed, the American people for the most part are even more flawed, maybe even totally FUBARed?

I also used to have it stuck in my brain that "anarchy" was exactly like it is portrayed but have since learned that it is actually voluntaryism or better yet anti-authorityism and am learning exactly what it means and how it might work. It seems to me to be akin to peoples faith in our fiat money, faith is the only thing that holds it together even though we all know it's worthless.

I'm really starting to adhere to the notion government is all a fiction, an imaginary belief system, call it fiat .gov.

[iOWNme]

They should never be able to call any of us infidels.

6101


If i am supposed to be 'mentally faithful' to my own conscience, how can i possibly be morally obligated to do what i think is wrong?

This is the same conclusion people like Spooner, Basitiat, Paine and Thoreau (just to name a few) came to: There cannot be a moral obligation to obey something outside your own conscience.


This seems so easy to contemplate, and everyone in the world would say they agree. But then you say that means there isnt anything called 'Government'. There cant be. Its not real. They INSTANTLY turn to emotions like fear to justify why this moral principle can and should be SUBVERTED.

Im literally pleading with you here: Can you agree with the above or not? Do you actually think there is some form, no matter how small or limited, of any type of legitimate 'Authority' (which is what 'Government' is)? If you do thats fine. Can you please articulate it here for me to help me understand?

Im pleading! :)

[hoarder]

But didn't you just post earlier in this thread how da joos are all positioned ALREADY to organize and command the actions of the gangbangers*?? ??? .....no.......

I said that's what they would do.

[hoarder]

Back to the original OP. I started out as a Libertarian, the left/right paradigm was obvious to me before voting age but still I made stupid conclusions the 1st 8 years. After that I abandoned it totally and voted with my conscious knowing it was useless but at least I was doing the right thing in my mind.

So, I considered myself a libertarian rebel, a Constitutionalist, fully faithful to the Founders and the ideology of We The People and the Republic.

Now all that youthful faith has been proven wrong time and time and time again and I'm left having to reconsider my thoughts, perceptions and ideology.

I still admire the founders even though that they were flawed men, who isn't? But....the Constitution is flawed, the American people for the most part are even more flawed, maybe even totally FUBARed?

I also used to have it stuck in my brain that "anarchy" was exactly like it is portrayed but have since learned that it is actually voluntaryism or better yet anti-authorityism and am learning exactly what it means and how it might work. It seems to me to be akin to peoples faith in our fiat money, faith is the only thing that holds it together even though we all know it's worthless.

I'm really starting to adhere to the notion government is all a fiction, an imaginary belief system, call it fiat .gov.Jews want world government. Libertarianism is compatible with world government. Anarchy is compatible with world government in that anarchy does not have borders. When anarchy is replaced, it would be replaced by world government. Jews are the catalyst of change. To resist change is to resist them.

[Libertytree]

Then we should ALL give up this attempt to correct any system or non system that we have or might be viable. The jews, elite have already won...our resistance really is futile.

[midnight rambler]

.....no.......

I said that's what they would do.

I don't see any evidence that those cowardly rat bastards are even capable of such a thing.

[hoarder]

Then we should ALL give up this attempt to correct any system or non system that we have or might be viable. The jews, elite have already won...our resistance really is futile.You can give up if you want to. I won't.

[midnight rambler]

Jews want world government. Libertarianism is compatible with world government. Anarchy is compatible with world government in that anarchy does not have borders. When anarchy is replaced, it would be replaced by world government. Jews are the catalyst of change. To resist change is to resist them.

Ultimately we're in a spiritual battle. I take it that you've given up (the spiritual battle).


You can give up if you want to. I won't.

From your own posts it would appear otherwise. Da joos are NOT(!) fucking omnipotent. You seem to give them a whole lot more credit than they deserve.

[Horn]

There cannot be a moral obligation to obey something outside your own conscience.

Reason for the written contract of the Constitution, to place in full written and conscious view. Obey or not.

Now as for your figuratively and notional Anarchic world, far removed from conscious view. To what homage and faith do you have to place?

I will be so bold as to exclaim you are an infidel to it.

[Libertytree]

You can give up if you want to. I won't.

WTF!? You're the one who's acting like we're done for. Our precious Constitution has been trashed, it's flaws have been used against us and it just might be totally dead. Yet you cling to it without even exploring other options, I don't understand. They've wiped their ass with the Constitution and shoved down everyones throats and I don't see them backing off anytime soon.

[Horn]

our precious constitution has been trashed, it's flaws have been used against us and it just might be totally dead. Yet you cling to it without even exploring other options, i don't understand. They've wiped their ass with the constitution and shoved down everyones throats and i don't see them backing off anytime soon.

Infidel !!!

[singular_me]

"THEY" can only LOSE if/when we give UP :)

and by giving up , I mean starting our own social and business networks, local currencies, etc




Then we should ALL give up this attempt to correct any system or non system that we have or might be viable. The jews, elite have already won...our resistance really is futile.

[Horn]

If you all lived anywhere else you wouldn't posses any larger caliber than a .38Auto by now.

What's to thank for that, anarchy?

Thank your founders by keeping the faith.

[hoarder]

Ultimately we're in a spiritual battle. I take it that you've given up (the spiritual battle). I never started. I'm not a spiritual kinda guy. My battle is in the physical material world.




From your own posts it would appear otherwise. Da joos are NOT(!) fucking omnipotent. You seem to give them a whole lot more credit than they deserve.
WTF!? You're the one who's acting like we're done for. You guys got me wrong there. I do not have any intention of giving up, ever. Nor do I advocate giving up. I do however advocate recognizing and acknowledging our enemies strengths, not underestimating them and using logic to find the most expedient methods of resistance.



Our precious Constitution has been trashed, it's flaws have been used against us and it just might be totally dead. Yet you cling to it without even exploring other options, I don't understand. They've wiped their ass with the Constitution and shoved down everyones throats and I don't see them backing off anytime soon.The only thing wrong with our Constitution is that it permits foreign enemies to control the mass media (which anarchy permits as well). I have explored all the other options and came to the conclusion that they are more dangerous than restoring what is already in place but ignored.

I am not an idealogue. I don't revere the Constitution or Founding Fathers, I just recognise the Constitutional system as our best option and the lesser of evils.

[singular_me]

soooo true

and for those who are atheists or not too spiritual: its a Mind over matter type of situation we are faced with.. there is no way out, either we acknowledge it or we'll go extinct



by midnight rambler
Ultimately we're in a spiritual battle. I take it that you've given up (the spiritual battle).

[iOWNme]

I would like to see how much self confidence some of the anarchists around here would have when they come home some day to find 30 gangbangers in their living room doing it with their wife.

You are using whats called 'argumentum ad metum': Or more commonly known as 'Appeal to Fear'. This is based on a logical fallacy:

This fallacy has the following argument form:

Either P or Q is true.
Q is frightening.
Therefore, P is true.

Your argument is invalid. You are appealing to emotion/fear in hopes to exploit existing fears to create support for your position. Also, often the false dilemma fallacy is involved, suggesting Q is the proposed idea's sole alternative.


There IS a VIOLENT GANG robbing me right now! I dont need your 'hypothetical'! LOL

Yes what you describe could happen under anarchy. But what you describe could happen with any for of 'Government' also. So your argument is invalid AGAIN. There is no 'system' to stop bad things from happening, ESPECIALLY if you want to live in a free and open society. There probably wasnt a whole lot of (private) gang raping going on under Stalin and Lenin, it was all reserved for the 'Licensed' criminals.

Now lets ask you to back up your assumptions: What do you think is the deterrent to this violent gang in your example? What are they most worried about while committing their crime? Are they worried that there are scribbles somewhere that say they shouldnt do it? Are they worried about men in fancy costumes with badges and names like 'police' and 'authority'? Are they worried about 'courts' and 'judges' and 'legal' 'systems'? Or are they worried about violence being done to them? Why do you assume that if we dont have a 'Government' that this is exact same deterrent wont still be in place? Will YOU personally still use violence to stop from being attacked, robbed or caged? So the exact same deterrent to this violent gang exists with or without 'Government'.

This is a recurring meme with statists. Some think its ok to alter human morality and rob me to pay for the roads. Some think its ok to alter human morality and rob me to pay for schools. Some think its ok to alter human morality and rob me to pay for 'protection'. But none of that matters when we dissect the argument down to the moral principle. Left wing statists want me robbed to pay for services and welfare. Right wing statists want me robbed to pay for police and military. There are varying degrees of both camps. Some left wing statists only want me robbed very minimally to fund their ideas. Some right wing statist want me robbed a whole lot to pay for corporate welfare and the military. Either way, human morality cannot be altered by the mere 'wishing' of it.

[iOWNme]

Brag brag brag insult insult insult. Individuals cannot compete for power against groups. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but bravery will not consistently help you overcome the odds.

Who is inside these 'groups' that you speak of? Oh, wait, its just a bunch of INDIVIDUALS you say?

Individuals ARE 'groups' if they choose to be. Again its this idea that without a gang of violent criminals bossing us around and stealing our money we wouldnt be be ale to 'organize' or 'cooperate'. Its fucking mindless drivel.

[iOWNme]

I have a disadvantage in this argument and it is political correctness. One can pretend our problems are systemic and still be politically correct. If one has the courage to point out that the problem is Jewish, one becomes shunned by respectable society.


In a corrupt society, the truth can be found in what is forbidden to say.


Is it more forbidden to say 'Jews are Evil' or is it more forbidden to say 'I am an Anarchist'?

Because on GSUS it seems to be forbidden to say:

Each individual owns themselves.
It is never ok to initiate violence.
Every transaction between any people should be 100% voluntary on both sides.

[Libertytree]

I never started. I'm not a spiritual kinda guy. My battle is in the physical material world.You guys got me wrong there. I do not have any intention of giving up, ever. Nor do I advocate giving up. I do however advocate recognizing and acknowledging our enemies strengths, not underestimating them and using logic to find the most expedient methods of resistance.The only thing wrong with our Constitution is that it permits foreign enemies to control the mass media (which anarchy permits as well). I have explored all the other options and came to the conclusion that they are more dangerous than restoring what is already in place but ignored.

I am not an idealogue. I don't revere the Constitution or Founding Fathers, I just recognise the Constitutional system as our best option and the lesser of evils.

But here's the deal, THEY see it for what it is, just something a small % of the population cares about, understands or has probably even read! I'll fight alright, for myself, family, friends and other good like minded freedom folks but fighting for the Constitution or America is not my impetus anymore. Maybe things will change? Then I'll reconsider but until then FUCK authority! I'll play along as to not become a target but I don't believe they have any power over me except at the barrel of a gun or jailing me.

[Horn]

Because on GSUS it seems to be forbidden to say:

Its a truth forum, it has rules (yes they are written somewhere on here) we abide by them, adorn them with faith in moderators.

Anarchy has no basis in reality or viable lasting example in history. The forum wouldn't exist in that form.

Therefore it (Anarchy) should be judged, and considered SPAM, then booted.

Where are the moderators on this thread anyway?

I'm only a scientist.

[midnight rambler]

I'm not a spiritual kinda guy. My battle is in the physical material world.

I'm thinking that may be a very big problem for you. You're placed yourself behind the eight ball. Something's wrong but you'll never know what it is. (google that sentence for real enlightenment)

[midnight rambler]

"THEY" can only LOSE if/when we give UP http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/smiley.gif

and by giving up , I mean starting our own social and business networks, local currencies, etc

Much like Catherine Austin Fitts is pursuing.

"Do not believe them, do not fear them, do not ask anything of them." --Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

IOW, cut the parasites out of your life COMPLETELY.

[iOWNme]

They have yet to include in any exact written definitions their brand of anarchy except to say its within them, regretfully I'm inclined to believe that they might rather just sit back and enjoy the scene.

Rather than grab some kind of rudimentary weapon, or even a pen at such a sight.


You STILL dont get it. Are you a spambot? I swear im talking to a program.

There is no 'brand' of anarchy. Anarchy is the exact description of what exists in reality. It means rulers. I will repeat it over and over for you like a child. Are there any 'rulers' who have the legitimate moral right to do so? If not, then all there is are varying degrees of bad guys. Some of them have convinced YOU that they are virtuous and legitimate. Im trying to help you see the truth. I keep opening your cage door, only to have you slam it back on me time and time again.

What exists in reality is this:

Each individual owns themselves.
The initiation of violence is immoral.
Every interaction between individuals is only moral if done on a 100% voluntary transaction on both sides.


I bet you 100 agree with this. I bet you live your entire life by these rules. Yet for some reason you have a strange superstition stuck between your ears where you IMAGINE some Willy Wonka type world where virtue is evil, wrong is right, its good to be bad, and finally my favorite 'authority' exists when it comes to this mythical deity called 'Government'. You cant point to anything else in reality where you use these exact same wacky irrational contradictory ideas and come to the same conclusion as 'Government'.



Some people just cant be reached.....Until they decide they want to.

[Libertytree]

Its a truth forum, it has rules (yes they are written somewhere on here) we abide by them, adorn them with faith in moderators.

Anarchy has no basis in reality or viable lasting example in history. The forum wouldn't exist in that form.

Therefore it (Anarchy) should be judged, and considered SPAM, then booted.

Where are the moderators on this thread anyway?

I'm only a scientist.

Sure it would.

[Horn]

Sure it would.

No it wouldn't, robot agents would turn it into a denial of service attack...

I'm not playing upon peoples "fears" simply stating another truth.

If it were an anarchy forum you wouldn't even need an email to sign on,

Get real, do you think JQP would ante up to see a bunch of robots talk to each other?

[singular_me]

Horn it is not because anarchy has never been experienced by societies that it can not come true

the 'No ruler option' exists in the Universe... as well as just anything you can think off... Maybe on a distant planet, the World Z movie is unfolding right now, trust that... and it is the path we are taking if we do not make a U-turn, dont come to our senses and avoid to teach our kids the values of a world without any form of coercion




Its a truth forum, it has rules (yes they are written somewhere on here) we abide by them, adorn them with faith in moderators.

Anarchy has no basis in reality or viable lasting example in history. The forum wouldn't exist in that form.

Therefore it (Anarchy) should be judged, and considered SPAM, then booted.

Where are the moderators on this thread anyway?

I'm only a scientist.

[iOWNme]

There is no such thing as "absence of rulers". Show examples of how well this idea has worked.


Oh really? What species are these so called 'rulers'? You mean they are the same exact thing as me? Am I a 'ruler'? Would you listen to my 'laws' just as valid as theirs?

There is only 1 species of man on this planet. They all have the same rights. Human morality applies 100% equally to each and every one of them, no matter how many mythical documents are written, no matter how many psuedo-religous ceremonies are conducted or how many robes and hats are worn. in summary:

If you IMAGINE the decrees from 'politicians' (in any time or place) to be 'Law', and you IMAGINE that disobedience to them to be a 'Crime', then YOU are the victim of mind control.


There is something that exists between your ears that is blinding you from seeing reality.

[Libertytree]

No it wouldn't, robot agents would turn it into a denial of service attack...

I'm not playing upon peoples "fears" simply stating another truth.

If it were an anarchy forum you wouldn't even need an email to sign on,

Get real.

Yeah, you would sign in and agree to abide by the posted rules of said property and if you were an asshole you'd be booted because you didn't follow our agreement. Why didn't the treasure site flame out? We are all mods there for the most part.

[iOWNme]

Not only that, WHY did you leave your woman in a position without layered security in place and an AK and/or a Benelli shotgun handy?? ??? Those 'gangbangers' you describe are every bit afraid of dying as anyone else. The key to survival when in a jam is not allowing death to have a grip on you.

BINGO!

MR nailed it, even though i know he doesnt agree with me.

Criminals, which will ALWAYS exist, only care about one thing: Getting hurt.

Relying on something called 'Government' to stop this criminal is insane, irrational and self contradictory. The only way the 'Government' can stop the criminal is if the 'Government' is there at the time to stop him. If the 'Government' is there at the same time, the criminal is not going to commit his crime. It complete circular logic.

The best way to deter real criminals is for them to realize there are NO restrictions against his victims in resisting him. PERIOD. And the only thing even capable of hindering the individual is a mythical deity known as 'Authority'. No person would just obey an individual without the imagined 'legitimacy' of 'authority'.

[Horn]

Maybe on a distant planet, the World Z movie is unfolding right now,

Where's jewboo?

[iOWNme]

Hey Big-Lib, who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?

What is the 'mass media'? A 'Government' created and controlled 'system'.

What is the 'Federal Reserve'? A 'Government' created and controlled 'system'.



Your using circular logic again. Your pointing the the symptoms while im staring at the root.

[hoarder]

Who is inside these 'groups' that you speak of? Oh, wait, its just a bunch of INDIVIDUALS you say?

Individuals ARE 'groups' if they choose to be. Again its this idea that without a gang of violent criminals bossing us around and stealing our money we wouldnt be be ale to 'organize' or 'cooperate'. Its fucking mindless drivel.Hey Big-Lib, who owns the mass media and Federal Reserve? Come on Shlomo, you can tell us.

[iOWNme]

The answer is in the U.S. Constitution.

What you just said was:

"The answer lies in giving something called 'Congress' the moral right to murder, kidnap, plunder everyone so we dont get murdered, kidnapped, or plundered by 'other' criminals."

Shouldnt you have at least said the answer lies in the Bill of Rights?

Ive pointed out to you the inherent contradictions of the US Constitution. It is not the DoI. It is not the BoR. It is a fictional document where the Federalist PRETENDED to alter human morality with such lines as 'Congress shall have the power to tax', etc. The Constitution created the Federal Government. Why do you think the answer lies in ANYTHING the Federal Government can or should do? You have not one single protection listed in the Constitution, and a whole lotta slavery and despotism.

[hoarder]

But here's the deal, THEY see it for what it is, just something a small % of the population cares about, understands or has probably even read! I'll fight alright, for myself, family, friends and other good like minded freedom folks but fighting for the Constitution or America is not my impetus anymore. Maybe things will change? Then I'll reconsider but until then FUCK authority! I'll play along as to not become a target but I don't believe they have any power over me except at the barrel of a gun or jailing me.What percentage of the US population do you think cares about the Constitution and bill of rights? I think that number is at least ten times more than those who want anarchy. It's really a matter of expedience at this point.

[midnight rambler]

It's really a matter of expedience at this point.

I submit it's more of a matter of 'managed' perception for those unable to think clearly for themselves and ACT in their own best interests (mostly 'cause their brains are addled with all manner of chemicals including fluoride and ESPECIALLY the dominating influence of the WMD known as the jewsmedia).

[Horn]

Shouldnt you have at least said the answer lies in the Bill of Rights?

Take it as a whole as it was intended, and quit practicing separatism.

The right to expel or abolition any government has been granted to you by your founders.

Now go and do as you were ruled to do.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12x_vUd1nYo

[singular_me]

... the truth from somrbody in the know 500 years ago...


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La Boétie's task is to investigate the nature of the state and its strange status as a tiny minority of the population that adheres to different rules from everyone else and claims the authority to rule everyone else, maintaining a monopoly on law. It strikes him as obviously implausible that such an institution has any staying power. It can be overthrown in an instant if people withdraw their consent.

He then investigates the mystery as to why people do not withdraw, given what is obvious to him that everyone would be better off without the state. This sends him on a speculative journey to investigate the power of propaganda, fear, and ideology in causing people to acquiesce in their own subjection. Is it cowardice? Perhaps. Habit and tradition. Perhaps. Perhaps it is ideological illusion and intellectual confusion.

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Étienne de la Boétie - Antiwar.com
http://www.antiwar.com/stromberg/s080100.html


BTW: its an electronic voice


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIw2rMCE6XY

[hoarder]

I submit it's more of a matter of 'managed' perception for those unable to think clearly for themselves and ACT in their own best interests (mostly 'cause their brains are addled with all manner of chemicals including fluoride and ESPECIALLY the dominating influence of the WMD known as the jewsmedia).True for them, I meant it's a matter of expedience for us to choose the most effective forms of resistance.

If anarchy was in our interests, IOWNbagels wouldn't be advocating it.

[midnight rambler]

True for them, I meant it's a matter of expedience for us to choose the most effective forms of resistance.

If anarchy was in our interests, IOWNbagels wouldn't be advocating it.

Well, FOR NOW, the illusion* of "our republican form of government ***THE CONSTITUTION***" is the bludgeon/tool being used to beat us into submission.

And frankly I don't know what the answer is except JUST LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE! I DON'T WANT ANYTHING(!) TO DO WITH THE MONEY POWERS' GAWDDAM SATAN WORSHIPING DEATH CULT BULLSHIT!!! And if that entails what Marc Stevens is pursuing with his 'No State Project' then so be it.

*and I EMPHASIZE 'illusion', which appears to be the biggest, most successful con in the history of the world up to this point

[Horn]

***THE CONSTITUTION***" is the bludgeon/tool being used to beat us into submission.

I don't see the Constitution being used for anything these days within Government,

excepting the 1st and 2nd amendments by the people as protection tools.

Where do you see it being used as an offensive bludgeoning tool?

[Libertytree]

What percentage of the US population do you think cares about the Constitution and bill of rights? I think that number is at least ten times more than those who want anarchy. It's really a matter of expedience at this point.

It's not maybe so much of a matter of what anyone wants, it's more of a matter of reality. Realizing that what is in place now is tantamount to a jewlywood high budget production meant to keep you/us enslaved is the reality of it all.

[singular_me]

*and I EMPHASIZE 'illusion', which appears to be the biggest, most successful con in the history of the world up to this point
.. and the more we come up with models to reinforce the illusion, the higher is the chance for total chaos. Thats why the tactics of our global rulers precisely are "order out of chaos".. then masses beg for more security measures... this is insanity.

the elites are psychopathic but masses are schizophrenic due to the fragmentation of the psyches by those at the top.

[midnight rambler]

.. and the more we come up with models to reinforce the illusion, the higher is the chance for total chaos. Thats why the tactics of our global rulers precisely are "order out of chaos".. then masses beg for more security measures... this is insanity.

The sooner we change course off The Road to Hell the better 'cause if we don't we're gonna end up in Hell FOR SURE.

[Jewboo]

Da joos are NOT(!) fucking omnipotent. You seem to give them a whole lot more credit than they deserve.




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Inside MR's own wallet is jew money

[woodman]

http://danthetechguy.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/openwallet.jpg
Inside MR's own wallet is jew money



Excellent, Book. Until we address the money issue, all else is useless.

[midnight rambler]

http://danthetechguy.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/openwallet.jpg
Inside MR's own wallet is jew money



Ya know what's really funny? You're an even bigger whore for da joos than me. lol

[midnight rambler]

Excellent, Book. Until we address the money issue, all else is useless.

Goldy touched on that earlier when she posted re: local currencies. Also barter comes into play. THE problem is that all the fucking braindead zombies surrounding us only see FRNs as 'money' and nothing else as a store of value (when in reality 'stores of value' are all around us and we can produce 'stores of value' e.g. produce and livestock on our own entirely independent of da joos).

[Jewboo]

http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/images/wanted-poster.png


http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/images/message.png


http://tendollarbill.info/US10dollarbill-Series_2004A.jpg




Josie The Outlaw herself asks you horny fools to send her ten jew "dollars" every single month.


http://thenewsdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/smug-ben-bernanke-300x300.jpg
" Send Josie ten of my notes. "

[Libertytree]

http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/images/wanted-poster.png


http://www.josietheoutlaw.com/images/message.png


http://tendollarbill.info/US10dollarbill-Series_2004A.jpg




Josie The Outlaw herself asks you horny fools to send her ten jew "dollars" every single month.


http://thenewsdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/smug-ben-bernanke-300x300.jpg
" Send Josie ten of my notes. "

No one is forcing you to send anything, it's 100% voluntary! Good try at derailing an actual conversation but I know you'd rather play pictionary, as usual.