Another 'Lead The Opposition' Disinfo site? Or Just Plain Stupid?

[Hatha Sunahara]

Or is it a "Here, drain all your energy doing this useless stuff so we can prolong our control and your slavery: Decide for yourself:


http://firecongress.org/

The gist of this is to 'vote out all the incumbents'. Anyone who has studied this strategy knows it cannot and will not work. At least not without changing the way the game is played. If you fire all the bastards and hire new ones, the new ones will quickly learn and play the same game the old bastards did. And that game is to sell out to the shadow government--the people who issue the money and own the media and control the public education system, and foreign policy. And this shadow government doesn't care who plays their game--as long as they play it. The real trick is to kick out the SHADOW government--not the one you can see. And you can't just vote THEM out, because you never voted them IN.



Hatha

[Hatha Sunahara]

Must be a media campaign to lead us all astray:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/nbc-wsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-congress-v20903531

(http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/nbc-wsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-congress-v20903531)
NBC/WSJ poll: 60 percent say fire every member of Congress (http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/first-read/nbc-wsj-poll-60-percent-say-fire-every-member-congress-v20903531)

Throw the bums out.

That’s the message 60 percent of Americans are sending to Washington in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll, saying if they had the chance to vote to defeat and replace every single member of Congress, including their own representative, they would. Just 35 percent say they would not.

The 60 percent figure is the highest-ever in that question recorded in the poll, registered in the wake of the government shutdown and threat of the U.S. defaulting on its debt for the first time in history. If the nation’s debt limit is not increased one week from now, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew warns that the entire global economy could be in peril.

“We continue to use this number as a way to sort of understand how much revulsion there is,” said Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart, who conducted the poll with Republican Bill McInturff. “We now have a new high-water mark.”

Read the full poll here (.pdf) (http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_Politics/_Today_Stories_Teases/Oct_poll.pdf)

The numbers reflect a broader trend over the last few years. Americans have traditionally said that while they might not like Congress, they usually like their own representatives. But that sentiment appears to have shifted.

The throw-them-all-out attitude has slowly taken hold over the last three years, coinciding with two things – the rise of the Tea Party caucus in the House and the debt ceiling fight of 2011.

In October 2010, a majority of Americans – 50 percent to 47 percent – said they would not fire all congressional members. But by August 2011, 54 percent said they would toss every lawmaker from office; in January 2012, 56 percent said that; and just three months ago, in July, it was 57 percent.

Frustration was evident among poll respondents across the ideological spectrum.

“You look at 800,000 people being out of work merely because Congress can’t come to an agreement to do their job, which we sent them there to do,” said a respondent from Mississippi, a strong Democrat. “I am prayerful for a revolution.”

The sentiment isn’t limited to Democrats. One Ohio woman, who considers herself a strong Republican, said her husband is a federal worker and they are worried about paying the bills.

“We will not get a paycheck,” she said. “It is federal pay and mortgage is due. Who is going to pay that -- Obama or Congress who is still getting paid?”

Hart points out that the seeds are there to give rise to independent or third-party candidates.

According to Hart, “Somewhere, someone’s going to pick up and run with the ‘throw them all out’” banner.

The number of Americans who say they want to fire everyone is fairly consistent among most groups – at around 60 percent – but it spikes among rural voters (70 percent), white independents (70 percent) and those in Republican-held congressional districts (67 percent). Just 52 percent of respondents in Democratic-held districts would vote to fire every lawmaker on Capitol Hill.

In another sign of dissatisfaction with the state of politics, 47 percent of Americans said they do not strongly identify with either party.

The numbers in this poll also reflect a broader anger and pessimism among Americans, especially when it comes to the economy.

A record-low 14 percent think the country is headed in the right direction, down from 30 percent last month. That’s the biggest single-month drop in the poll since the shutdown of 1990. And a whopping 78 percent think the country is on the wrong track. Just 17 percent think the economy will improve in the next year, while 42 percent think it will worsen.

Americans’ confidence in the economy has nose-dived, they say, because of President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans’ negotiations – or lack thereof – on the budget. Almost two in three – 63 percent – say it makes them less confident that the economy will get better.

“What these numbers tell us is that the already-shaken public – this kicked the stool out from under them,” Bill McInturff said. “We’re seeing numbers that are associated with historic lows in public confidence.”

Almost two-thirds – 65 percent – also say the government shutdown is having quite a bit or a great deal of harm on the U.S. economy.

“That linkage between these actions in Washington and economic confidence and what that means for trying to stabilize our economy, I think at a big-picture level [shows] how destabilizing” the standoff has been for the economy.

Democratic pollster Fred Yang, who helped conduct the poll with Hart, added that Americans are paying attention to this fight and want it resolved before the debt ceiling deadline of Oct. 17.

“This isn’t the calm before the storm,” Yang said. “This is the storm before the storm.”


Hatha

[Ares]

Their first mistake is believing that voting will change anything.

[Hatha Sunahara]

Their first mistake is believing that voting will change anything.

Voting will change the faces of those playing the game (if vote fraud doesn't pre-empt that), but voting will not change the corrupt nature of the game that the office holders are playing. It's the GAME they play that is corrupt. The rules are rotten to the core--and the elected officials are playing 'by the rules'. Changing the players without changing the rules will maintain the status quo.

Just watch. The media has some huge percentage of the sheeple convinced that changing the players will fix whatever problem people want fixed. Many of those people playing their corrupt game know that a collapse is coming, and a lot of them are ready to retire anyway. Voting them out will allow the blame for the collapse to be placed on the new elected officials. This view only applies to legislators and elected executives. The judiciary are for the most part appointed and there is no way to vote them out, so they feel safe playing their corrupt game and even making it more corrupt.

Do you see how this all leads down into a cul-de-sac--a dead end? And we are being led down into that dead end by the mainstream media--who want to preserve the status quo at all costs. Not voting won't fix anything either, but it will erode the legitimacy of the game--so I am with you Ares. Since neither voting the bums out and not voting won't fix anything, the greater good (as opposed to the lesser evil) is to not vote at all and deprive the corrupt game a claim to legitimacy.


Hatha

[mick silver]

Voting them out will allow the blame for the collapse to be placed on the new elected officials ....it well maybe but but sooner then later some of them are going to start being rats , how long before they start doing this i dont know but they will rat on one another before it said an done

[woodman]

If voting made a difference, it would be illegal.

[singular_me]

elites love to play the 'black vs white' game, but truth is somewhere in the middle. So this site could offer true opportunities, but as usual, it will come down to people who can see the 'gray area" in between.

[osoab]

Heard a caller on Rush Limbaugh say the same thought on the radio yesterday. My interpretation of the tone of the voice of the caller was one of desperation/at wits end. Do you think the ideas of the caller would have been swayed if they read the article in the OP?

The OP link is actually a redirect to kickthemallout.com The contact us page was lasted updated in 2009.

I did an ip search on kickthemallout.com. This site is the one listed in the about us page. Any news articles regarding the owner of the site and news of the site are all from 2008-2009.
http://whois.net/whois/kickthemallout.com Looked likes he made the internet radio circuit rounds in that time frame.

I did an ip search on http://firecongress.org/ http://www.networksolutions.com/whois/results.jsp?domain=firecongress.org The guy who owns this page ran for the Senate out of Vermont in 2012.

While reading up on this guy, I believe he is confused.

http://www.vermontguardian.com/local/CandidatesCorner/DennisMorrisseau.shtml



2. Most of this is answered in (1) above. If we would deal fairly and openly and even handedly in the Middle East between our Israeli allies and the Muslim states of the region — get OUT of the business of propping up dictators and stealing Arab Oil--what genuine terrorism there is in the world would disappear overnight.


I don't support the concept of a purely Jewish state. I don't support walls between people. I don't support giving endless amounts of money and weapons to Israel and the back of our hands to Arabs and Muslims or other Palestinians. Jews and Arabs lived together peacefully in "Palestine" for thousands of years. They need to do that again, in ONE country.


3. We need a large "crash" program aimed at development of alternative energy sources of all kinds, reduction of world population levels, a sharp rethinking of Western and industrialized nations consumption patterns, and environmental cleansing strategies. All countries of the World and all businesses---yes even our "oilmen" must be invited to sit down and begin work on this very, very serious worldwide problem.


4. Repeal tax cuts for the rich. They must pay their fair share. And CUT Democratic and Republican "lawgivers" (ha!) PORK.


5. I favor a single payer national healthcare plan.


6. I don't understand this issue. I like Latino and other foreign peoples and if they want to come here and work and make a life here, I see nothing wrong with that. If Vermonters want to erect a wall against further immigration, or restrict child-bearing of immigrant peoples to two children per family, I will vote in Congress accordingly. I will NOT vote to punish those who are already here.


7. Raise the minimum wage to $10/hr. How about a Maximum annual income of $1,000,000 per year to go along with that? Those who "need" more than that and want to fight about it, raise your hands!



So are these websites making the rounds again now?

[midnight rambler]

Perhaps one of our frenemies will nuke K Street and free the world.

[Twisted Titan]

Voting does nothing but validate the abuse of your oppressors and gives them sanction to further act with impunity.

[gunDriller]

what counts is relative strength.

if the House or Senate lose power, who gains power ?

NGO org's like AIPAC.

[hoarder]

what counts is relative strength.

if the House or Senate lose power, who gains power ?

NGO org's like AIPAC.Aristotle proclaimed in 350 BC, "nature abhors a vacuum".

[PatColo]

Unless the voting process goes to paper ballots, hand-counted at each precinct under the watch of many eyes when the polls close, posted publicly and then sent upstream for the larger count; then all discussion of change through elections is a cruel distraction. See my siggy. :)



The American Electorate,
http://www.casdon.com/static_files/electronic_toy_steering_wheel2.jpg
Steering the Course of the Nation! Ooo(



Last time I voted was 10 years ago this coming Nov; in the '04 presidential year, and that was only reluctantly, after I'd spent the prior 1-2 years active in the CO/national "verified vote" (anti ballot-less blackbox) movement; 'fruitlessly' rattling the Boulder County Democrats' (with whom I was very active in the GOTV campaign in the '02 midterm) cage re the cruel sham these blackboxes threatened to be. Well, "amazingly" to me at that "ignorant" time & place, I couldn't get the Boulder Dems' leadership interested. 20/20-hindsight I understand the problem, with the 2 major "opposition parties" ultimately playing for the same team! :( Well at least I told Boulder Dems, as the '04 GOTV campaign was ramping up, that I was simply unwilling to volunteer again that year, unwilling to spend time/energy/shoe-leather on an "election" process which I believed had no integrity. "Sorry, find another volunteer!" :cool:

[mick silver]

back up thanks pat for letting us all know that . after said an done you had to feel better about yourself after telling them to take a hike

[iOWNme]

Aristotle proclaimed in 350 BC, "nature abhors a vacuum".


Luckily we ARE NOT ANIMALS. We are humans with free will, a conscience and CHOICE.


I can not think of ANY scenario where I am being run over by a group of violent criminals and my first choice of action would be to write them a letter and ask their permission for me to be free.

Freedom is not an external goal to be achieved, it is a recognition of self ownership. Every single man who has ever tried to create a 'free' society MUST have been free inside their own mind first.

[hoarder]

Every single man who has ever tried to create a 'free' society MUST have been free inside their own mind first.[/COLOR]Hey Big-Lib, who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?

[Cebu_4_2]

Hey Big-Lib, who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?

The Amish.

[iOWNme]

Hey Big-Lib, who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?


What are YOU so afraid of?

[hoarder]

What are YOU so afraid of?You're afraid to answer the question. Who controls the mass media and the Federal Reserve?