MALAYSIA AIRLINES loses contact with flight carrying 239 en route to Beijing

[EE_]

Probably all dead. Mossad?

Be interested to find out if any high profile people were on-board, bankers/Bitcoin exchange CEO's/politicians?

[mick silver]

they will say russia did it ,

[BrewTech]

they will say russia did it ,

I wouldn't be a bit surprised... the timing would be perfect and Amerikans will believe anything, at anytime, and they know it.

[Glass]

There is at least 1 Ukrainian on board.

[Serpo]

Clue in the water: A handout picture provided by Tienphong.vn shows what is believed to be an oil slick stretching a length of about 9 miles in the sea off the Vietnamese coast


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/08/article-2576087-1C22030500000578-901_634x430.jpg



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/08/article-2576087-1C211C4F00000578-777_634x473.jpghttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576087/Malaysia-Airlines-says-plane-missing.html

[JohnQPublic]

Who specifically was on board? Anyone interesting?

Also, there are reports of an Austrian and an Italian on the flight manifest whose passports turn out to be stolen (according to the propaganda machine).

[mick silver]

Asked whether terrorism was suspected, Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak said authorities were "looking at all possibilities, but it is too early to make any conclusive remarks."
Contributing to fears of foul play was word from foreign ministries in Italy and Austria that the names of two citizens listed on the flight's manifest matched the names on two passports reported stolen in Thailand.
Italy's Foreign Ministry said an Italian man who was listed as being a passenger, Luigi Maraldi, was traveling in Thailand and was not aboard the plane. It said he reported his passport stolen last August.
Austria's Foreign Ministry confirmed that a name listed on the manifest matched an Austrian passport reported stolen two years ago in Thailand. It said the Austrian was not on the plane, but would not confirm the person's identity.​

[EE_]

Who specifically was on board? Anyone interesting?

Also, there are reports of an Austrian and an Italian on the flight manifest whose passports turn out to be stolen (according to the propaganda machine).

I'm hoping to hear who was on board too.

I'm betting there was some high profile individual/s that was/were taken out.
Could be a Mossad hit? It's Mossad's MO to kill a plane load of people to get to just one person.

It's not looking good at the moment to find the black box.

http://viewzone2.com/911mossad.jpg

[midnight rambler]

A catastrophic event timed to be over the ocean is the perfect way to obscure a crime. No mayday from the crew = catastrophic event. Destruction of an aircraft flying at Mach 0.84 due to catastrophic failure of the fuselage/airframe would allow no reaction time for the crew, not even time to key the mic. Boeing 777s just don't come apart at cruise altitude. Some 737s had the rudder failure problem but that was limited to the 737 and Boeing fixed that.

[Dogman]

I will say that this probably was brought down by something.. catastrophic failure of the flight surfaces, or what?

Not enough info, to say


But there is a good chance they were blown out of the sky..Why>?<

Bunch of groups, and I will not exclude anyone here that would love to add a spark.

Be careful on what one postes, because it may come back to haunt you ..

Not a good thing ..Some things need to be played out , before laying blame.


I think the aircraft was blown out of the sky, too many backups and no radio reports, , tho

The tho is the major question..

[midnight rambler]

Reports are indicating that radar contact was lost only one minute before being handed off to Vietnamese ATC, if that's the case then that appears to be some precision timing.

If no 'terrorist' group steps forward and takes credit, then it would appear to me to be the usual suspects.

[Sparky]

The plot thickens:

Stolen passports raise possibility of terrorism in missing flight (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-missing-passports/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

[Dogman]

It may or not, but the truth is for they that fly, the world will suck worse.

Not all countrys hold to the truth that this usa demanded..Even if most that they guard against is purt idiotic crap. Good chance that airline did get blown out of the sky..

And the rest of us that fly will suffer.

[Cebu_4_2]

The plot thickens:

Stolen passports raise possibility of terrorism in missing flight (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/08/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-missing-passports/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

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Authorities expanded search and rescue operations Sunday after the 24-hour mark passed for missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.

Despite searching overnight, officials said they are no closer to finding the missing plane. Marine rescue teams from several countries have joined the search.

Authorities are also investigating terrorism concerns after it was discovered that two people boarded the plane with stolen passports. An official told the Los Angeles Times (https://www.facebook.com/latimes) that FBI personnel will review video of passengers at the Malaysia Airlines ticket counter before flight disappeared.

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[PatColo]

Probably all dead. Mossad?

nodisinfo.com:

Did the Mossad Blow Up the Malaysian Airlines Jet? (http://nodisinfo.com/mossad-blow-malaysian-airlines-jet/) March 08, 2014 - 1 Comment (http://nodisinfo.com/mossad-blow-malaysian-airlines-jet/#comments) Did the Mossad Blow Up the Malaysian Airlines Jet? Who blew up the Malaysian Airlines aircraft en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing? Who was on that jet that would be necessary to assassinate? It was surely destroyed through sabotage. […]

[Shami-Amourae]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KALHYKX5gaY

[Glass]

Its very interesting that immediately AFTER the plane disappears the Authorities know that 2 persons (apparently) on board the plane were using stolen passports but they were unable to determine this BEFORE these people boarded the plane.

Do the passport systems only check passport validity after an explosive event has occurred? Are the passport systems too slow to validate and check a passport for some days after the passport was used? So they have alreadt had contact with the two persons who's passports were stolen years ago and have confirmed their locations?

Seems like the systems are pretty slick when it comes to generating propaganda in that they can verify things within hours but are achingly slow and take days when any kind of systemic incompetence is required as a smoke screen.

[Sparky]

Its very interesting that immediately AFTER the plane disappears the Authorities know that 2 persons (apparently) on board the plane were using stolen passports but they were unable to determine this BEFORE these people boarded the plane.

Do the passport systems only check passport validity after an explosive event has occurred? Are the passport systems too slow to validate and check a passport for some days after the passport was used? So they have alreadt had contact with the two persons who's passports were stolen years ago and have confirmed their locations?

Seems like the systems are pretty slick when it comes to generating propaganda in that they can verify things within hours but are achingly slow and take days when any kind of systemic incompetence is required as a smoke screen.

No, I think what happened was that they released a list of missing people to each country with passengers. When those countries notified families of the missing, two people identified themselves as still being alive. Then, BOTH of those people reported that they had had passports stolen. What we don't know is if they had previously reported them as stolen; if so, then authorities dropped the ball, as you say. But if those two guys didn't report them as stolen, the authorities have a little less blame, as that would be more difficult to catch.

[midnight rambler]

No, I think what happened was that they released a list of missing people to each country with passengers. When those countries notified families of the missing, two people identified themselves as still being alive. Then, BOTH of those people reported that they had had passports stolen. What we don't know is if they had previously reported them as stolen; if so, then authorities dropped the ball, as you say. But if those two guys didn't report them as stolen, the authorities have a little less blame, as that would be more difficult to catch.

Both of the passports were stolen while in Thailand which means both passports were reported stolen when those two people showed up at their respective embassies in Thailand to get replacement passports. They couldn't have left Thailand without passports. It would appear someone has figured out that it's very easy to obtain stolen passports in Thailand, very likely the usual suspects.

[Cebu_4_2]

Pilot on Way to Japan Says He Made Contact with Missing Malaysian Flight Mar. 8, 2014 9:54pm Dave Urbanski (http://www.theblaze.com/author/daveurbanski/)
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A Boeing 777 pilot flying 30 minutes from the missing Malaysia Airlines plane told the New Straits Times (http://www.nst.com.my/nation/general/pilot-i-established-contact-with-plane-1.503464) in Kuala Lampur, Malaysia that he made contact with MH370 minutes after Vietnamese air traffic control asked him to message the plane.
The captain, who declined to give his name, said his Narita, Japan-bound plane was well into into Vietnamese airspace when controllers — who could make contact — requested that he relay with his plane’s emergency frequency a message to MH370 so that it would establish its position.
http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/600x330.jpgThis screengrab from flightradar24.com shows the last reported position of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370, Friday night March 7, 2014. The Boeing 777-200 carrying 239 people lost contact over the South China Sea on a flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, and international aviation authorities still hadn’t located the jetliner several hours later. (Image source: AP/flightradar24.com)

“We managed to establish contact with MH370 just after 1:30 a.m. and asked them if they have transferred into Vietnamese airspace,” the pilot reportedly told New Straits Times. “The voice on the other side could have been either Captain Zaharie (Ahmad Shah, 53,) or Fariq (Abdul Hamid, 27), but I was sure it was the co-pilot.
“There were a lot of interference… static… but I heard mumbling from the other end.
“That was the last time we heard from them, as we lost the connection,” the pilot said, adding that he thought nothing of the lost contact since it happens frequently — until he learned of MH370 never landing.
“If the plane was in trouble, we would have heard the pilot making the Mayday distress call,” the pilot said. “But I am sure that, like me, no one else up there heard it.
“Following the silence, a repeat request was made by the Vietnamese authorities to try establishing contact with them.”

[Glass]

the mumbling sounds like a weird thing.

[Down1]

Perhaps they took down the plane.
Maybe they have stolen it for future use.
Who knows at this time.

[Glass]

20 technicians working for A Texas based company that supplied F1 team McLaren were on board the Boeing 777 flight that disappeared from Vietnam.

Twenty on Flight MH370 had racing connection
...........
And 20 employees of a Texas-based company that supplies parts to McLaren for electronic control units that have been used throughout F1 and NASCAR were aboard the Boeing 777 that vanished off Vietnam at the weekend with 239 people aboard.

Freescale Semiconductor’s processors go into ECUs that run fuel-injection systems.

It said 12 of its employees from Malaysia and eight from China were on Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370.



Link to story (http://www.carsales.com.au/news/motorsport-formula-one-bribery-case-widens-42172)

on a side note. More criminal charges for those associated with Bernie Ecclestone bribery case.

[Norweger]

The story includes a bunch of stolen passports... where have i heard that before?

[midnight rambler]

20 technicians working for A Texas based company that supplied F1 team McLaren were on board the Boeing 777 flight that disappeared from Vietnam.

Link to story (http://www.carsales.com.au/news/motorsport-formula-one-bribery-case-widens-42172)

on a side note. More criminal charges for those associated with Bernie Ecclestone bribery case.

Must not have been American nationals.

[Glass]

Must not have been American nationals.

Correct. Were Chinese and Malaysian.
239 people on board
20 Chinese & Malaysian
6 Australia
2 New Zealand
1 Ukrainian
I can't find any other info. I heard Canadian and US.??

But thats not really important. the important part is what they do with the narrative and it's looking like a global biometrics system is about to be announced.


Fake passports on Malaysia Airlines flight reveal flaw in airline safety



I'm only going to post the headline. The article quotes an interpol guy who they picture him in an odd pose IMO. I think this is setting the meme in play. Biometric ID's.

Link to story (http://www.theage.com.au/world/fake-passports-on-malaysia-airlines-flight-reveal-flaw-in-airline-safety-20140310-hvgv0.html)

What do you think the solution would be to this problem that the "airlines" have? Airlines do something or someone else do something? USG?

[Hatha Sunahara]

Well, I'm going to raise the possibility now that this whole story of this missing jet liner is a psy op, and like Sandy Hook, it never happened, and that it only exists in people's minds and not in the real world. And people will be talking about it as if it's real. All I can tell for the moment is that it only exists on TV. All the anxious relatives waiting for their loved ones could be stock footage from some other event. Real jetliners this big do not just disappear without a clue for 4 days. I am not sure what the agenda is. The stolen passports may be a clue. Perhaps the TSA wants everybody to have an 'internal passport' or some kind of 'flying identification card' maybe like a 'flying license' that can be revoked at any time--sort of like putting everybody on a conditional no fly list.

For those who think I'm crazy--probably not many here at GSUS--go back and read the discussions we had here about the Boston Marathon bombing. That was a psy-op to test how easily they can lock down a big city. Is there a reason to not believe that this story about a huge jetliner with lots of people on board is missing without a clue for 4 days now? Doesn't that strike you as very strange? Extremely strange? Poof. Missing. No clues. So, how are they going to protect us from this ever happening again? That's the agenda. THe story isn't over. Stay tuned. Watch closely the evidence they have when they make a final determination of what happened. Watch this story with open eyes and your mind in gear.

I'm not the only one thinking outside the box about this story. Read this:

http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/11/malaysian-aircraft-disappearance-for-later-false-flag-and-energy-wars/


Hatha

[Neuro]

Most if not all countries use computerized passport controls nowadays. And I would be very surprised if Malaysia is an exception. Thus to exit Malaysia they must have entered Malaysia on those fake passports, unless they used other passports entering and exiting Malaysia. Where did they enter from?

[Sparky]

Well, I'm going to raise the possibility now that this whole story of this missing jet liner is a psy op, and like Sandy Hook, it never happened, and that it only exists in people's minds and not in the real world. And people will be talking about it as if it's real. All I can tell for the moment is that it only exists on TV. All the anxious relatives waiting for their loved ones could be stock footage from some other event. Real jetliners this big do not just disappear without a clue for 4 days. I am not sure what the agenda is. The stolen passports may be a clue. Perhaps the TSA wants everybody to have an 'internal passport' or some kind of 'flying identification card' maybe like a 'flying license' that can be revoked at any time--sort of like putting everybody on a conditional no fly list.

For those who think I'm crazy--probably not many here at GSUS--go back and read the discussions we had here about the Boston Marathon bombing. That was a psy-op to test how easily they can lock down a big city. Is there a reason to not believe that this story about a huge jetliner with lots of people on board is missing without a clue for 4 days now? Doesn't that strike you as very strange? Extremely strange? Poof. Missing. No clues. So, how are they going to protect us from this ever happening again? That's the agenda. THe story isn't over. Stay tuned. Watch closely the evidence they have when they make a final determination of what happened. Watch this story with open eyes and your mind in gear.

I'm not the only one thinking outside the box about this story. Read this:

http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress3/2014/03/11/malaysian-aircraft-disappearance-for-later-false-flag-and-energy-wars/


Hatha

Although this is possible, my problem with this type of a theory is that it essentially requires one to take the position that perhaps nothing is ever real, i.e. that you can't ever know reality about anything. Now you might say, "yes, that's correct", but at that point what good has it done to come to that realization? You're saying that no thing in your life is really attached to reality, but is rather the bi-product of some manipulation. When you reach that point, what motivates you to get out of bed every day?

I'm not saying that this kind of $hit can't happen or doesn't happen. Rather, I'm saying it must be difficult to live life once that becomes your default position on everything, rather than some inevitable conclusion after exhausting all other possibilities. With that perspective, how does one ever extract any joy from the world, or reach an inner peace?

I'm not criticizing you personally, Hatha. I'm speaking from a philosophical perspective of coping in a world in which one feels nothing of importance is real.

[midnight rambler]

Although this is possible, my problem with this type of a theory is that it essentially requires one to take the position that perhaps nothing is ever real, i.e. that you can't ever know reality about anything. Now you might say, "yes, that's correct", but at that point what good has it done to come to that realization? You're saying that no thing in your life is really attached to reality, but is rather the bi-product of some manipulation. When you reach that point, what motivates you to get out of bed every day?

I'm not saying that this kind of $hit can't happen or doesn't happen. Rather, I'm saying it must be difficult to live life once that becomes your default position on everything, rather than some inevitable conclusion after exhausting all other possibilities. With that perspective, how does one ever extract any joy from the world, or reach an inner peace?

I'm not criticizing you personally, Hatha. I'm speaking from a philosophical perspective of coping in a world in which one feels nothing of importance is real.

IMO, ultimately the ONLY thing that matters is YOUR OWN *perception* of the world around you (which YOU AND ONLY YOU have 100% control of). This is why such a massive effort is made by the jewsmedia for 'perception management'.

[Horn]

Real jetliners this big do not just disappear without a clue for 4 days. I am not sure what the agenda is.

Hatha

Have to agree, the information of the stolen passports came out to fast, and especially from the countries mentioned Italy and Austria, Italy alone would triple check and then take a ciesta. Austria just wouldn't answer the phone for you.

There is nothing in the msm about Ukraine's gold transfer, black boxes are indestructible.

[Sparky]

IMO, ultimately the ONLY thing that matters is YOUR OWN *perception* of the world around you (which YOU AND ONLY YOU have 100% control of). This is why such a massive effort is made by the jewsmedia for 'perception management'.

Agreed. But now I'm being told that the not even the snow in my back yard is real. Have the squirrels and birds in my back yard been planted to give me a false sense of security? Where do you draw the line in establishing your own perception?

[Horn]

Agreed. But now I'm being told that the not even the snow in my back yard is real. Have the squirrels and birds in my back yard been planted to give me a false sense of security? Where do you draw the line in establishing your own perception?

Did you try bringing it inside to see if it melts off your boots? :)

Get a microscope and check for nanobots in the water.

Maybe the plane was sucked out into space through an atmospheric collapse... there is alot of pollution in that area.

http://news.discovery.com/earth/earth-atmosphere-shrinking.htm

[Libertytree]

I'm kinda surprised no has came up with the theory that they flew into a time vortex and are now in 1920 or an alt universe. Is there a Bermuda Triangle in that ocean?

[Horn]

Are they are still looking for the black box flight recorders from 911?

[Horn]

I'm kinda surprised no has came up with the theory that they flew into a time vortex and are now in 1920 or an alt universe. Is there a Bermuda Triangle in that ocean?

Bermuda is about that many degrees above the equator, where Malaysia is below.

And the Sun just switched poles not too long ago...

[EE_]

There can only be one answer. The Malaysia flight was abducted by aliens.
The 239 passengers are being studied at this very moment.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_tXo_fxG_b4Q/TOyXZCV-SaI/AAAAAAAABr0/BTGWCKVvyrk/s1600/wonder%2Balien%2B4.JPG

[Horn]

Hey that guy even looks Malaysian.

[Serpo]

Reuters) - Malaysia's military believes a jetliner missing for almost four days turned and flew hundreds of kilometers to the west after it last made contact with civilian air traffic control off the country's east coast, a senior officer told Reuters on Tuesday.
In one of the most baffling mysteries in recent aviation history, a massive search operation for the Malaysia Airlines Boeing (http://www.reuters.com/finance/stocks/overview?symbol=BA.N&lc=int_mb_1001) 777-200ER has so far found no trace of the aircraft or the 239 passengers and crew.
Malaysian authorities have previously said flight MH370 disappeared about an hour after it took off from Kuala Lumpur for the Chinese capital Beijing.
"It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.
That would appear to rule out sudden catastrophic mechanical failure, as it would mean the plane flew around 500 km (350 miles) at least after its last contact with air traffic control, although its transponder and other tracking systems were off.
A non-military source familiar with the investigations said the report was one of several theories and was being checked.
LOST CONTACT
At the time it lost contact with civilian air traffic control, the plane was roughly midway between Malaysia's east coast town of Kota Bharu and the southern tip of Vietnam, flying at 35,000 ft.
The Strait of Malacca, one of the world's busiest shipping channels, runs along Malaysia's west coast.
Malaysia's Berita Harian newspaper quoted air force chief Rodzali Daud as saying the plane was last detected at 2.40 a.m. by military radar near the island of Pulau Perak at the northern end of the Strait of Malacca. It was flying about 1,000 meters lower than its previous altitude, he was quoted as saying.
There was no word on what happened to the plane thereafter.
The effect of turning off the transponder is to make the aircraft inert to secondary radar, so civil controllers cannot identify it. Secondary radar interrogates the transponder and gets information about the plane's identity, speed and height.
It would however still be visible to primary radar, which is used by militaries.
Police had earlier said they were investigating whether any passengers or crew on the plane had personal or psychological problems that might explain its disappearance, along with the possibility of a hijack, sabotage or mechanical failure.
There was no distress signal or radio contact indicating a problem and, in the absence of any wreckage or flight data, police have been left trawling through passenger and crew lists for potential leads.
"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities," Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar told a news conference.
"We are looking very closely at the video footage taken at the KLIA (Kuala Lumpur International Airport), we are studying the behavioral pattern of all the passengers."
The airline said it was taking seriously a report by a South African woman who said the co-pilot of the missing plane had invited her and a female travelling companion to sit in the cockpit during a flight two years ago, in an apparent breach of security.
"Malaysia Airlines has become aware of the allegations being made against First Officer Fariq Ab Hamid which we take very seriously. We are shocked by these allegations. We have not been able to confirm the validity of the pictures and videos of the alleged incident," the airline said.
The woman, Jonti Roos, said in an interview with Australia's Channel Nine TV that she and her friend were invited to fly in the cockpit by Hamid and the pilot between Phuket, Thailand and Kuala Lumpur in December 2011. The TV channel showed pictures of the four in the cockpit.
A huge search operation for the missing plane has been mostly focused on the shallow waters of the Gulf of Thailand off Malaysia's east coast, although the Strait of Malacca has been included since Sunday.
Navy ships, military aircraft, helicopters, coastguard and civilian vessels from 10 nations have criss-crossed the seas off both coasts of Malaysia without success.
STOLEN PASSPORTS
The fact that at least two passengers on board had used stolen passports has raised suspicions of foul play. But Southeast Asia is known as a hub for false documents that are also used by smugglers, illegal migrants and asylum seekers.
Interpol Secretary General Ronald Noble named the two men as Iranians aged 18 and 29, who had entered Malaysia using their real passports before using the stolen European documents to board the Beijing-bound flight.
"The more information we get, the more we are inclined to conclude it is not a terrorist incident," Noble said.
In Washington, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency said intelligence officials could not rule out terrorism as a factor. "You cannot discount any theory," CIA Director John Brennan said.
Malaysian police chief Khalid said the younger man, who he said was 19, appeared to be an illegal immigrant. His mother was waiting for him in Frankfurt and had been in contact with authorities, he said.
"We believe he is not likely to be a member of any terrorist group, and we believe he was trying to migrate to Germany," Khalid said.
Asked if that meant he ruled out a hijack, Khalid said: "(We are giving) same weightage to all (possibilities) until we complete our investigations."
Both men entered Malaysia on Feb 28, at least one from Phuket, in Thailand (http://www.reuters.com/places/thailand?lc=int_mb_1001), eight days before boarding the flight to Beijing, Malaysian immigration chief Aloyah Mamat told the news conference. Both held onward reservations to Western Europe.
Police in Thailand, where the Italian and Austrian passports were stolen and the tickets used by the two men were booked, said they did not think they were linked to the disappearance of the plane.
"We haven't ruled it out, but the weight of evidence we're getting swings against the idea that these men are or were involved in terrorism," Supachai Puikaewcome, chief of police in the Thai resort city of Pattaya, told Reuters.
About two-thirds of the 227 passengers and 12 crew now presumed to have died aboard the plane were Chinese. Other nationalities included 38 Malaysians, seven Indonesians, six Australians, five Indians, four French and three Americans.
China has deployed 10 satellites using high-resolution earth imaging capabilities, visible light imaging and other technologies to "support and assist in the search and rescue operations", the People's Liberation Army Daily said.
U.S. government officials from the National Transportation Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration have arrived in the region to provide "any necessary assistance" with the investigation, White House spokesman Jay Carney said in Washington.
The Boeing 777 has one of the best safety records of any commercial aircraft in service. Its only previous fatal crash came on July 6 last year when Asiana Airlines Flight 214 struck a seawall on landing in San Francisco, killing three people.
U.S. planemaker Boeing has declined to comment beyond a brief statement saying it was monitoring the situation.
(Additional reporting by Siva Govindasamy, Stuart Grudgings (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=stuart.grudgings&), Raju G (http://blogs.reuters.com/search/journalist.php?edition=us&n=raju.gopalakrishnan&)


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/11/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140311

[Hatha Sunahara]

When you get your information from the MSM, it is safe to assume that nothing is real. If that's your only source of information, you're living in an imaginary world. If you rely on your own perceptions and experience, you can construct a scenario that cuts through the agendas and propaganda in the MSM and gets you closer to what actually transpired. You may not be sure of your theories or speculations, but you can be sure that they are more solid than what the MSM would like you to believe.

I find it doubly satisfying to come up with my own theories about what I'm being told by the MSM. That's because they can't force me to believe their lies, and it's one of the last freedoms they cannot take away from me--to disbelieve what they are telling me. It's an act of rebellion they cannot punish. When they make not believing lies a crime, I will know that TPTB are on their last legs.


Hatha

[Horn]

Malaysian MH370 co-pilot entertained teenagers in cabin on earlier flight


Photographs have emerged of the co-pilot of the disappeared Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 (http://www.theguardian.com/world/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370) entertaining teenage tourists in the cockpit during a previous flight.

The images came to light on the day Malaysian officials said they were investigating potential "psychological problems" of the crew or passengers as reasons why the aircraft may have gone missing.

The first officer, Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27, invited two South African teenage girls into the flight cabin for the entirety of a flight in 2011 from Phuket to Kuala Lumpur. He and his colleague entertained the two girls, smoked cigarettes and posed for photographs with them....

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/11/malaysian-flight-mh370-copilot-teenagers-fariq-abdul-hamid

[mick silver]

i didnt think the guys driving that ride could turn the tracking systems off from inside the plane ... if something leaves a bad taste in your mouth and it smell bad then something wrong , well i am getting a bad taste

[midnight rambler]

i didnt think the guys driving that ride could turn the tracking systems off from inside the plane

The transponder can definitely be turned off in the cockpit. If you will recall that's part of the narrative regarding S-11.

[Serpo]

Two passport suspects with identical photo shopped LEGS............

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/11/article-2578020-1C2F5E8000000578-157_634x528.jpghttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html

[mick silver]

In any case, killing the transponder will not necessarily make a flight invisible. Coverage will lapse and vary, but ATC radar can often portray a transponder-less plane as what’s called a “primary target” — a blip that provides the aircraft’s position and speed, though not its altitude. The September 11th aircraft were tracked this way during portions of their wayward journeys ... http://toolkit.bootsnall.com/transportation-travel-guide/air-travel-guide/ask-the-pilot-collection/transponder-turn-off.html

OK - we're getting 2 different things confused here:
1. (Black Boxes) Flight Data Recorders and Cockpit Voice Recorders (CVRs) - and - 2. ATC Transponders.

Flight Data recorders contain vital aircraft parameters (speed, acceleration, etc) gathered from a Data Aquisition Unit.
Voice Recorders are recording everything going on in the cockpit.
These devices cannot be turned off physically turned off by some kind of button or switch. They are energized by air mode or engines running (flt rec) or at all times (CVR)

Now the transponder tells the tower (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/24789/#) through interrogation where the aircraft is, alt, going up or down...that kind of stuff. This can be turned of via a control panel in the flightdeck. The aircraft will still show up as a blip on teh radar screens, but info such as alt won't be avail.

All above mentioned components run off essential power (or standby power) on the B757/767 aircraft.
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/24789/

[midnight rambler]

Two passport suspects with identical photo shopped LEGS............

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/11/article-2578020-1C2F5E8000000578-157_634x528.jpghttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578020/Why-cellphones-missing-Malaysian-Airlines-passengers-ringing-Family-members-claim-loved-ones-smartphones-active.html

WTF?!?!?! Is that the best they can do?? That's crazy shit.

Excellent catch.

[Serpo]

The Malaysian military tracked this plane for a full hour with military radar after it "vanished from civilian radar because "the transponders were switched off" (B.S.) radar is radar, it does not need a "transponder" to track a plane and they can eat dog poo. ANYWAY, the plane did a u-turn and was "last spotted" on the other side of Malaysia. They made the mistake of saying it was "flying low" when it was still at 29,500 feet, far higher than needed to show on radar, to deceive people into believing THAT is why it "vanished" from radar. A whole bunch of lies were hatched about how it disappeared from civilian radar because "the transponder was switched off" but RADAR IS RADAR AND ONLY COMMERCIAL AIRLINERS HAVE TRANSPONDERS, PRIVATE PLANES DO NOT HAVE TRANSPONDERS. Radar is there to prevent private planes from hitting commercial ones among other things, and if radar can see a private plane that has no transponder it certainly can see a huge jumbo jet. So you can take the transponder lies and trash them.

But the plane DID disappear from civilian radar even though military radar tracked it for a now admitted full hour longer.

http://www.militaryaircraft.de/pictures/military/aircraft/E-3A/E-3A_2007-11-NELLIS_0985_800.jpgWhat could make a plane disappear from civilian radar while at 36,000 feet yet still be visible on military radar? ONE THING, and it looks like a UFO (as some have speculated) only it's attached to a boeing jet - the antenna on a U.S. Air Force AWACS plane. The fact that this missing jet vanished from civilian radar yet remained visible on more robust military radars proves well enough for me that this indeed was an AWACS hijacking, just like we saw on 9/11 where AWACS planes were seen on video observing if not controlling the crashes into the twin towers. Once the plane flew far enough West, Awacs was obviously enough to jam both civilian and military radars, probably because they entered a zone where the angle of both incoming signals allowed for their simultaneous cancellation. That is where the plane finally "vanished" forever, an hour after the "official" vanishing act. The final vanish happened while at 29,500 feet. In this scenario, we now have: The plane did a u-turn and flew the other way for a now admitted full hour. THAT supports the Awacs story.
Obvious fake photoshopping of "terrorists". THAT supports the Awacs story.
Cell phones still ringing, which would only be possible with a safe landing. THAT supports the Awacs story
Missing black boxes. THAT supports the Awacs story (the plane is obviously intact)
A reason to electronically hijack the airplane - 20 top people from a semiconductor firm that works defense, with employees working for countries that are not allies yet VERY powerful - THAT supports the Awacs story

And the GRAND FINALE: PLANE DISAPPEARS FROM CIVILIAN RADARS WHILE REMAINING VISIBLE ON MILITARY RADARS. THAT supports the Awacs story and pushes it to the forefront of logic like a tsunami on a beach umbrella, if THAT does not raise a few eyebrows people are sleeping.

And I'd have to say the CIA's obvious pushing of B.S. regarding this supports the Awacs story as well; If this plane shows up somewhere in pieces now, it was electronically hijacked by an AWACS plane - the same type seen on 9/11, and the people were offloaded and questioned (engineers probably waterboarded for defense secrets). IF that plane shows up in pieces now it happened last night, not three days ago FINAL ANSWER. UPDATE: Exact logic sequence for proving the U.S. air force hijacked the Malaysian airlines flight.
1. Absent an awacs type system which can precisely monitor a received signal and spoof a return signal (or phase cancel it) you cannot disappear a non stealth aluminum skinned plane from ANY radar system. After vanishing from civilian radars, it remained on military radars that would work better against AWACS. That pretty much says it all.
2. Iran is an ally of Russia. Russia has Awacs type systems, but would not try to frame up Iran in a terror plot with a fake passport story supported by idiotically faked photos. Russia did not do this.
3. China and Malaysia also have Awacs type systems. Since it was a Malaysian plane flying with Chinese engineers, it is safe to rationalize out that neither China nor Malaysia did this.
4. Though the engineers on the plane also worked with stealth technologies such as Awacs, it takes a huge UFO shaped antenna to make such systems work, and Malaysian passenger jets do not have them as a standard feature. This was not a stunt played by Freescale Semiconductors.
5. Israel wants war with Iran, and the CIA hatching a terror plot with horribly faked photos stands in the evidence pool against the U.S. air force, which is their sex slave.
6. The obvious motive was military, and a real tie in was the fact that the plane disappeared from civilian radar while at full cruising altitude, but not the military radars. In this case the air force had to choose which radar they would spoof with Awacs (there is extreme difficulty with spoofing more than one system simultaneously unless there is a lucky alignment of signals) and they just hoped the military would not catch on. ONE PROBLEM, the Malaysian military was not as inept as the Air Force thought. PLAN FAILURE.
7. The Iranian terror plot fits the logic tree well. Since the photos were obviously faked, WHO WOULD DO THAT? WHO WANTS WAR WITH IRAN? No brainer there.
8. The cell phones are ringing, and the only organization in the world that can say where they are is the NSA. WHY THE SILENCE?
logic sequence output: Because the plane was hijacked electronically by those who keep the NSA funded and the NSA has been told to SHUT UP. If those phones were in lost baggage, the NSA would have said so RIGHT AWAY, and even the airline company would have figured it out by now, found the bags, heard the phones ringing and said, OH, WE KNOW WHY THEY RING. And the phones are not dead ringing as can happen with some american carriers, because on one occasion one of the phones was picked up and hung up without anything being said. But NOPE, NOTHING on this from the NSA, which means those phones are ringing on a runway somewhere, and the NSA knows EXACTLY WHERE. Yet they still support the CIA, which is doing it's best to hatch a B.S. terror plot about a couple Iranians with fake photos and THERE IS YOUR ANSWER, AMERICA HAS THAT PLANE AND IS PROBABLY WATERBOARDING THE FREESCALE ENGINEERS RIGHT NOW, EXTRACTING CHINESE MILITARY SECRETS. If the plane is now "found" in pieces it will mean "they" gave up on the B.S. story line and decided to ditch it somewhere rather than use it on the Petronas towers or the Sears tower.
The hijacking story won't work now that we know the Malaysian military was able to track the plane because a hijacker cannot switch off a radar system 500 miles away and cannot prevent the plane from being found on radar wherever it went to, ONLY AWACS COULD.

My final word on Malaysia airlines

At least until the plane is found. Freescale semiconductor is actually a large company with many divisions. The most credible information out there points to two possibilities with one central binding theme -
The central binding theme is that these employees did not work in the energy sector, they worked with advanced military technologies. One branch was for data security and may have been attempting to circumvent the NSA, and the other branch worked in cloaking technology for stealth applications.
When I was at the NSA, they very clearly stated that the best engineering teams out there consisted of 4 or 5 people and NO MORE. So the plane obviously would not have all people from freescale working on the same team. There would have been, with 20 employees, 4 or 5 separate engineering teams aboard assigned to different tasks. This could be why there are so many different explanations for what all the employees actually did, and you know they had to at least be engineers because Freescale would not load floor sweepers or assemblers onto a jet.
My best guess is that the people worked in defense. And I have a pretty good reason for thinking so - Malaysia is an amazingly advanced country. You might not think so because you have never been told but Malaysia is in fact so advanced a country that ever since the early 90's Malaysia has made many and at times ALL processors for both Intel and AMD. How much higher than that can you get?
So here we have two countries, Malaysia and China, with a top flight electronics engineering firm, Freescale semiconductor, and 20 missing engineers on a vanished plane. I'd say this was probably a military takedown by the United States. And I'd bet the plane was remote hijacked and flown to a runway somewhere. THAT is why the cell phones still ring and you can bet the black op NSA knows exactly where they are. All the modern planes can be taken over via remote, they all have back doors now and the NSA is there only to rape and rob you, they are NOT your friends, you will NOT be told where this plane is.
The plane vanishing from radar had nothing to do with the plane's electronics going dead, it most likely had a LOT more to do with an AWACS plane making it vanish from radar and taking it over. AWACS can do that. And if the plane's electronics went dead that would NOT make it vanish from radar, I don't know where all the stupidity on this topic evolved, MYLAR BALLOONS HAVE NO ELECTRONICS, AND THEY SHOW UP ON RADAR CLEAR AS DAY. AIRPLANES DO NOT NEED TO HAVE A TRANSPONDER FOR RADAR TO WORK AT ALL. THE TRANSPONDER IS ONLY FOR TELLING GROUND CONTROL THE NAME OF THE AIRPLANE. DEAD ELECTRONICS ON A PLANE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING ON RADAR. if you read an article saying the plane vanished because it's transponder switched off, run from the writer as fast as your brain can move, that writer is either too stupid to pay attention to or fake.
SO, we have a plane that vanished from radar while at altitude. No tracking pieces falling, no descent into the sea, NADA, it just VANISHED. PIECES OR IT DID NOT HAPPEN AND IT WAS INSTEAD AWACS AND AN ELECTRONIC HIJACKING FOR MILITARY PURPOSES. Until this plane turns up in the jungle it's in once piece on a runway somewhere, probably an American runway on one of the many bases America has everywhere and the engineers are being debriefed and told about the new life they are going to have, their families are going to have, or they are dead.

And the punch line? If this is what really happened, the Zioclan just got a free plane they can use to hit the Sears Tower. NEVER FORGET THAT.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/



http://www.freescale.com/ (http://www.freescale.com/)

[Horn]

Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed.

The news injected even more mystery into the investigation of the jetliner's disappearance, with aviation experts theorising about how the plane could have strayed so far off track for so long.

But General Daud has since released a statement saying that while authorities have not ruled out the possibility the plane inexplicably changed course before losing contact, reports that it had been detected far from its planned flight path were incorrect.

http://www.banklawyersblog.com/.a/6a00d8341c652b53ef0148c797378e970c-800wi

http://www.news.com.au/world/mh370-pilots-last-words-revealed-as-search-area-for-missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-widens/story-fndir2ev-1226851986645

[midnight rambler]

Of course radar can pickup an aircraft without an active transponder, the purpose of the transponder is to show the identity of the aircraft/flight # as well as speed and altitude.

[Glass]

Air force chief General Rodzali Daud was quoted in a local pro-government newspaper as saying a military base had detected the Malaysia Airlines aircraft near an island in the Malacca Strait, far to the southwest of where it should have been headed.

My thoughts were the purpose was the chinese based scientists. The article posted by Serpo thrashes that out pretty well. Raises a couple of questions and your post reinforces that.


China warns US to be ‘careful’ in military refocus on Asia

BEIJING (http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&where1=BEIJING&sty=h&form=msdate) — China’s Ministry of defense warned the United States on Monday to be “careful in its words and actions” after announcing a defense rethink that stresses responding to China’s rise by shoring up U.S. alliances and bases across Asia.
The statement from the ministry spokesman Geng Yansheng was Beijing’s fullest reaction so far to the new U.S. strategy unveiled last week. It echoed the mix of wariness and outward restraint that has marked China’s response to the Obama (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45926054/ns/world_news-asia_pacific/#) administration’s “pivot” to Asia since late last year.

http://crisisboom.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/us-military-bases-pacific-ocean.png?w=430&h=342

US Military Bases Pacific Ocean

Bigger version here at link (http://crisisboom.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/us-military-bases-pacific-ocean.png)


Full article here: http://crisisboom.com/2012/01/09/china-warns-us-to-be-careful-in-military-refocus-on-asia/

So where would the plane be flown? Some where way south west of KL according to General Rodzali Daud. The opposite of where it was supposed to go. What does the map say? There is a naval base at or near singapore. Thats no good? I don't see anything else. except way out in the Indian ocean.

[Serpo]

Breaking: Body wearing lifejacket reported found off Malacca

Staff Reporter
2014-03-12
18:25 (GMT+8)


The Beijing News has reported that a source claiming to be local volunteer assisting in the search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 has found a dead body wearing a lifejacket in an area of the Malacca Strait. In a single-paragraph report, the website of the Chinese-language newspaper said that it was seeking to establish the reliability of the claim.
The unconfirmed report is said to have come via a new operations center established in Malacca after the search for the flight was expanded to both sides of the Malaysian peninsula in response to reports that the plane may have diverted from its planned course. The report was first passed to the center of operations for search and rescue efforts on Vietnam's Phu Quoc island.
The last contact with the plane placed it over the South China Sea on its scheduled course from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
The Boeing 777-200 with 239 people aboard took off early on the morning of March 8. It disappeared about an hour into the flight with no distress signal or message sent.


http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140312000154&cid=1103


Kiwi reports burning object in sky
A New Zealander working on an oil rig off the coast of Vietnam reportedly saw a burning object in the sky about the time the missing Malaysia Airlines flight is believed to have crashed.
Flight MH370 dropped out of sight an hour after taking off from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing early on Saturday, under clear night skies and with no suspicion of any mechanical problems. Missing are 239 people, two of them New Zealanders.
ABC News reporter Bob Woodruff obtained an email sent by New Zealander Mike McKay, who works on the "Songa Mercur" oil rig in the South China Sea, to his bosses detailing what he saw.
In the email McKay said that he "observed the plane burning at high altitude...in one piece" about 50-70 kilometres from his location.
He gave coordinates for the location of the rig, which recently moved from Cuba to the shores of Vietnam.
Doan Huu Gia, deputy general director of Vietnam's air traffic management, confirmed they had been sent the email, the BBC reported.
"We received an email from a New Zealander who works on one of the oil rigs off Vung Tau.
"He said he spotted a burning [object] at that location, some 300 km southeast of Vung Tau."
The Vietnamese authorities sent a plane to investigate the sighting, but it found nothing, Vietnamese naval officer Le Ming Thanh told ABC News.
Officials still do not know what went wrong with the aircraft, and several leads pursued so far have proven not to be linked to the plane.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/9822763/Kiwi-reports-burning-object-in-sky

[Serpo]

MISSING MH370: Fishermen find life raft near PD
By SUKHBIR CHEEMA | news@nst.com.my (news@nst.com.my?Subject=RE:%20MISSING%20MH370:%20 Fishermen%20find%20life%20raft%20near%20PD)



27.2K 2014 Google +39 29 0 comments (http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-fishermen-find-life-raft-near-pd-1.509222#comment)

PORT DICKSON: A group of fishermen found a life raft bearing the word “Boarding” 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson town at 12pm yesterday. One of the fishermen, Azman Mohamad, 40, said they found the badly damaged raft floating and immediately notified the Kuala Linggi Malaysian Maritime Enforcement Agency (MMEA) in Malacca for assistance to lift the raft as it was very heavy.
"We managed to tie it to our boat as we feared it would sink due to the damages," he said.
When the MMEA boat arrived, the fishermen then handed over the raft into their custody.
However, a Kuala Linggi MMEA spokesman said the raft sunk into the sea while they were trying to bring the raft onboard.
http://1-ps.googleusercontent.com/x/www.nst.com.my/w1.nst.com.my/polopoly_fs/1.509224.1394605949%21/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_454/ximage.jpg.pagespeed.ic.g7bnUZHMOv.jpg The life raft found by a group of fishermen 10 nautical miles from Port Dickson yesterday. Pix by Dzulkeffli Mustapha


http://www.nst.com.my/latest/font-color-red-missing-mh370-font-fishermen-find-life-raft-near-pd-1.509222

[Horn]

Maybe a cockpit fire due to the copilots smoking?

Looks like they turned completely around and almost flew back to home port.

[Dogman]

S.N.A.F.U.

Describes this ..

Hate to see the loss of life, yes I do believe the people are dead and not socks.

Now what really happened?? ?? ??

[Serpo]

Maybe a cockpit fire due to the copilots smoking?

Looks like they turned completely around and almost flew back to home port.

they forgot their cigs

[midnight rambler]

Suspicions arise that missing 777 remained airborne for about four hours after transponder was turned off because the engines' onboard monitoring system continued to transmit data to Boeing for about four hours after losing ATC contact*. Article notes:


At one briefing, according to this person, officials were told investigators are actively pursuing the notion that the plane was diverted "with the intention of using it later for another purpose."

*perhaps airlines should consider a tamper-proof transponder or locator that can't be turned off - if a buddy of mine can put GPS trackers on his fleet of service trucks to keep track of his guys and his trucks, why aren't the airlines doing the same to keep track of their airplanes?? ???

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282?mobile =y

[Horn]

Officials deny report that Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 kept flying for hours
Engine data controversy
The Malaysian denial of the Wall Street Journal piece is the latest in a series of conflicting accounts involving crucial details such as the plane's route, when it vanished and other issues.
The Wall Street Journal report said the plane's engines have an onboard monitoring system supplied by their manufacturer, Rolls-Royce PLC. The system "periodically sends bursts of data about engine health, operations and aircraft movements to facilities on the ground," the newspaper said.
Malaysia Airlines sends its engine data live to Rolls-Royce for analysis, the report said, and that data is now being analyzed to figure out the flight path of the missing plane after contact was lost with its transponder, a radio transmitter in the cockpit that communicates with ground radar.
But Malaysia Airlines Chief Executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya said Thursday that Rolls-Royce and Boeing have reported that they didn't receive transmissions of any kind after 1:07 a.m. Saturday. Air traffic controllers lost contact with the plane shortly afterward, around 1:30 a.m.
Erin Atan, a spokeswoman for Rolls-Royce in Asia, declined to comment on the matter, telling CNN it was "an official air accident investigation."

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

[midnight rambler]

Suspicions arise that missing 777 remained airborne for about four hours after transponder was turned off because the engines' onboard monitoring system continued to transmit data to Boeing for about four hours after losing ATC contact*. Article notes:



*perhaps airlines should consider a tamper-proof transponder or locator that can't be turned off - if a buddy of mine can put GPS trackers on his fleet of service trucks to keep track of his guys and his trucks, why aren't the airlines doing the same to keep track of their airplanes?? ???

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282?mobile =y

This is mega and TOTALLY alters the narrative. It will be very interesting to observe how the jewsmedia plays this.

[Libertytree]

As far as tracking goes wouldn't there be a way to possibly track the peoples phones that were on that flight? If even one had their gps on it'd be something to trace.

[monty]

As far as tracking goes wouldn't there be a way to possibly track the peoples phones that were on that flight? If even one had their gps on it'd be something to trace.

You beat me to it, but all cell phones have gps on for 911 tracking, you know, for your protection :-)

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[midnight rambler]

As far as tracking goes wouldn't there be a way to possibly track the peoples phones that were on that flight? If even one had their gps on it'd be something to trace.

Cell phones are very low power and rely on a network of very closely located cell towers to work (anyone who travels in the countryside well outside a metro area knows how spotty cell phone coverage can be). It's highly unlikely that a cell phone would be able to handshake with a cell tower on land when that far offshore.

[Dogman]

As far as tracking goes wouldn't there be a way to possibly track the peoples phones that were on that flight? If even one had their gps on it'd be something to trace.Could work if over land!

But there is no cell coverage over a dam huge ocean, unless you have a sat phone or the air Carrier provides an inflight service. Hell vhf on international will not work once out of radio sight/below the radio line of sight. They now use sat comm or high freq long band that can "skip" which vhf can not do very well!

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[Libertytree]

I knew there was something(s) I was probably missing.

[Amanda]

Just found this posted at Rivero's http://whatreallyhappened.com/

U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Flew On for Hours

Aviation investigators and national security officials believe the plane flew for a total of five hours, based on data automatically downloaded and sent to the ground from the Boeing Co. BA -1.13% 777's engines as part of a routine maintenance and monitoring program. (read rest here: http://online.wsj.com/news/article_email/SB10001424052702304914904579434653903086282-lMyQjAxMTA0MDEwMzExNDMyWj)

What I thought was actually interesting, though, was Rivero's comment below:

That means the plane could have landed anywhere from India in the northwest to Australia in the southeast.

Meanwhile, I am greatly alarmed by the fact the FOX News had James Kallstrom, the former Assistant Director of the FBI who headed the official cover-up of TWA 800, to downplay the new data and insist the plane had crashed somewhere in the water and that ocean currents are the reason the wreckage has not been found yet.

If they are trotting out Kallstrom again, then there is some kind of a cover-up going on.


Also, fwiw, I've been listening on and off to some of Rivero's coverage of the Malaysian plane story and he's been wondering whether it could have been stolen somehow--apparently the parts for this kind of plane would be worth hundreds of millions of $$. I don't know anything about planes, so I honestly have no idea, but I just thought this was an interesting theory--obviously there's something strange/suspicious going on. Also, it looks like Rivero isn't the only one thinking along these lines, since I just found the following comment on a story about the photo-shopped Iranians (http://govtslaves.info/photoshopped-pictures-iranian-men-using-stolen-passports-surface/):

Truman Golden • 4 hours ago -- The plane is in Israel being stripped for part to be sold in black market due to shortage of these parts now. they can make at least 100 millions with just one place. The crew is being killed and their organs trafficked by rabbis like they have done with murdered Palestinians children organs. just watch organ and body part market flooded by new merchandise.

..........................

Okay, so I just scrolled down a bit further on Rivero's site, and now it looks like he's moving away from the "stolen plane for parts" theory, to the theory that it was stolen to be used in a future false flag to get the war agenda back on track.

Anyway, he links to the article below, which contracts the info from the WSJ above:

Malaysia says no evidence missing plane flew hours after losing contact

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/Malaysia_says_no_evidence_missing_plane_flew_hours _after_losing_contact.html

[BrewTech]

I'm kinda surprised no has came up with the theory that they flew into a time vortex and are now in 1920 or an alt universe. Is there a Bermuda Triangle in that ocean?

It has happened before... this book was based on a true story that King made up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Langoliers

[Horn]

I'm wondering if it all isn't related somehow to a shell game being played out for the sake of Russia in Ukraine.

Or to somehow let Russia know sideways who #2 in China really works for?

[Dogman]

I'm wondering if it all isn't related somehow to a shell game being played out for the sake of Russia in Ukraine.

Or to somehow let Russia know sideways who #2 in China really works for?Fixing to watch a movie on this machine..

I started a thread not long ago about it always seems when something is getting or could be "heavy" there is always some crap that starts to divert attention away.

This is another good example.


http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76305-The-List!

[Serpo]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579955/No-wreckage-no-cracks-fuselage-no-secret-engine-data-Clueless-airline-officials-rule-EVERY-new-crash-theory-going-come-REAL-information.htmlhttp://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/13/article-2579955-1C43F8D500000578-756_634x565.jpg

[Libertytree]

It has happened before... this book was based on a true story that King made up:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Langoliers

Yeah, I saw that documentary! ;)

[Cebu_4_2]

Why is the USi so persistent in searching for a Chinese airline?

[mick silver]

i get alot of drop calls on my cell phone were i am at , so i can that ........ ps was there any big shots on the plane ....?????

[mick silver]

horn go back to post 2 here
I'm wondering if it all isn't related somehow to a shell game being played out for the sake of Russia in Ukraine.

Or to somehow let Russia know sideways who #2 in China really works for?

[midnight rambler]

My pet theories:

1) aircraft's computer system was hacked/remote take control, in which case the pilots where helpless

2) one of the pilots, most likely the co-pilot, had been mind control programed much like Darren Brown has established can be done

To what ends?

1) Seize the aircraft for some future use

2) Someone or some group on the flight was targeted for kidnapping where they needed them alive to extract information from them via waterboarding, or someone or some group was targeted for assassination (if that's the case, why not just splash the plane rather than create a mystery?)

If there's no wreckage nor indication of wreckage then it would appear that (the usual suspects) wanted the aircraft intact and/or certain people onboard to be kidnapped and kept alive (at least for a while).

[Libertytree]

I agree, finding a "lost" big ass airplane seems to me to be childsplay, based on the tech on the ground and in the air, I'm not buying it.

[Dogman]

I am on a fence, at this time, I can see , which is a problem, of several cause/effect thingy's.

Too early for me to call. Tho getting stranger and stranger.

[Horn]

I am on a fence, at this time, I can see , which is a problem, of several cause/effect thingy's.

Too early for me to call. Tho getting stranger and stranger.

I think i just saw that dude from the Office Space movie on CNN, looking for his stapler.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVD3KPUnKHk

[Dogman]

Bull shit,,

What is happening will generate a list that covers a spectrum of what iffs. Until there is body's/wreckage is moot..

I like a good "theory" as most as long as they are plausible in a real world real stand on the ground , In your face or mine, truth or an good explanation.

[Publico]

The plane went Payne Stewart.

[Uncle Salty]

I think Benjamin Fulford's Mind Control Dragon Club took control of the plane and will use it as a threat to TPTB to get their act together or more planes with important people will disappear.

[Cebu_4_2]

Get used to it, this is the new norm they are showing us.

[Cebu_4_2]

'Seismic Event' Close to Missing Jet Path: China Scientists
BEIJING - A “seismic event” consistent with an airplane crash has been detected on the sea floor close to where the missing Malaysia Airlines jet lost contact with air traffic control on Saturday, Chinese scientists said Friday.
The signal detected by two stations in Malaysia appeared to indicate that a small tremor occurred on the floor of the sea at 2:55 a.m. about 95 miles south of Vietnam, the scientists said in a statement posted on the website of the University of Science and Technology of China (http://seis.ustc.edu.cn/News/201403/t20140314_191123.html).



"It was a non-seismic zone, therefore judging from the time and location of the event, it might be related to the missing MH370 flight," said the statement. “If it was indeed an airplane crashing into the sea, the seismic wave strength indicated that the crash process was catastrophic.”
The area where the tremor was detected about 70 miles from where the Boeing 777 was last heard from, and 85 minutes after the jet carrying 239 people lost contact, according to South China Morning Post newspaper (http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1448353/us-suggests-search-missing-flight-expand-indian-ocean-mh370-satellite).
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_11/251746/140314-plane-seismic-345a_7489887e5fb55a5e4048b359f13ebb70.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg University of Science and Technology of China
A map of a “seismic event” consistent with an airplane crash on the sea floor close to where missing Malaysia Airlines jet lost contact with air traffic control was released by Chinese scientists on Friday. The black star indicates where the plane lost contact, the red star where the event was detected and the blue triangles show the locations of seismic monitors. The black waves on the bottom right of the map show recording of the tremors. Satellite images from China on Wednesday appeared to show possible crash debris but it later emerged that a search of the area had found no sign of the plane, and Malaysia officials said the pictures had been released by "mistake."
China is known to be impatient over the lack of progress in the investigation.
There has been no trace of the jet or sign of wreckage despite a search by the navies and military aircraft of more than a dozen countries across Southeast Asia.



On Thursday, the White House said that an additional search area for the missing flight may be opened in the Indian Ocean (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-s-ship-hunting-jet-moves-search-area-may-expand-n51931), significantly broadening the potential location of the plane.
- NBC News' Eric Baculinao, Wendy Min and Bo Gu. Reuters contributed to this report.

[Neuro]

'seismic event' close to missing jet path: China scientists


beijing - a “seismic event” consistent with an airplane crash has been detected on the sea floor close to where the missing malaysia airlines jet lost contact with air traffic control on saturday, chinese scientists said friday.
The signal detected by two stations in malaysia appeared to indicate that a small tremor occurred on the floor of the sea at 2:55 a.m. About 95 miles south of vietnam, the scientists said in a statement posted on the website of the university of science and technology of china (http://seis.ustc.edu.cn/news/201403/t20140314_191123.html).



"it was a non-seismic zone, therefore judging from the time and location of the event, it might be related to the missing mh370 flight," said the statement. “if it was indeed an airplane crashing into the sea, the seismic wave strength indicated that the crash process was catastrophic.”
the area where the tremor was detected about 70 miles from where the boeing 777 was last heard from, and 85 minutes after the jet carrying 239 people lost contact, according to south china morning post newspaper (http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1448353/us-suggests-search-missing-flight-expand-indian-ocean-mh370-satellite).
http://media4.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2014_11/251746/140314-plane-seismic-345a_7489887e5fb55a5e4048b359f13ebb70.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg university of science and technology of china
a map of a “seismic event” consistent with an airplane crash on the sea floor close to where missing malaysia airlines jet lost contact with air traffic control was released by chinese scientists on friday. The black star indicates where the plane lost contact, the red star where the event was detected and the blue triangles show the locations of seismic monitors. The black waves on the bottom right of the map show recording of the tremors. Satellite images from china on wednesday appeared to show possible crash debris but it later emerged that a search of the area had found no sign of the plane, and malaysia officials said the pictures had been released by "mistake."
china is known to be impatient over the lack of progress in the investigation.
There has been no trace of the jet or sign of wreckage despite a search by the navies and military aircraft of more than a dozen countries across southeast asia.



On thursday, the white house said that an additional search area for the missing flight may be opened in the indian ocean (http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/u-s-ship-hunting-jet-moves-search-area-may-expand-n51931), significantly broadening the potential location of the plane.
- nbc news' eric baculinao, wendy min and bo gu. Reuters contributed to this report.
haarp?

[Serpo]

http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/CHINESE-BOX-EXPOSED__03-13-2014.html

[midnight rambler]

http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/CHINESE-BOX-EXPOSED__03-13-2014.html

That's some seriously weird shit on that website. I'm wondering how much he talks with Ben Fulford.


Albert Gore Jr. remains the year 2000 duly elected, non inaugurated, natural born REAL President of the United States.

lol

[Amanda]

This is worth a read IMO:


Was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Redirected to Diego Garcia? (http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/)

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

It has now become fairly evident that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370)from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is not accidental. In fact, there is a strong possibility that the flight was commandeered to the US military base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. A bizarre “extraordinary rendition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition)“?


Also, fwiw, Mike Rivero is also thinking Diego Garcia might be a possibility: http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/305335 (and it looks like FOX news posted a map of the search area, but Diego Garcia was omitted from the map)

[Horn]

That guy in the picture with his legs replaced must've been wearing some corporate sponsored bag and sweat pants,

that did not want to be associated?

[Glass]

This is worth a read IMO:
Was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Redirected to Diego Garcia? (http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/)

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

It has now become fairly evident that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370)from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing is not accidental. In fact, there is a strong possibility that the flight was commandeered to the US military base at Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean. A bizarre “extraordinary rendition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraordinary_rendition)“?


Also, fwiw, Mike Rivero is also thinking Diego Garcia might be a possibility: http://whatreallyhappened.com/node/305335 (and it looks like FOX news posted a map of the search area, but Diego Garcia was omitted from the map)

so, as I suggested. A military base would be required. I figured Singapore is no good because it would be purely naval but the indian ocean base I suspected would have an air strip.

MSM is also no suggesting Piracy in the Air. But how would they evade both civilian and military radar? Well the answer is right there front and center. They don't have to evade military radar and as w have seen military systems can suppress civilian radar. But lets look over here at some pirates who stole a plane.


Missing jet: Piracy would require special skills
No shit?


To steal Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 out of midair would require a pilot who knew how to elude detection by both civilian and military radar. It would take a runway at least a mile long to land the wide-body jet, possibly in the dark, and a hangar big enough to hide it. All without being seen.
Improbable but not impossible, experts say.
With the search for the missing airliner entering its eighth day, scenarios involving piracy or hijacking are increasingly being talked about as possible explanations for the disappearance of the Boeing 777 with 239 people on board.
Authorities say they're not ruling out other theories, which include a catastrophic structural failure causing the plane to break up, engine failure, or pilot suicide. But a U.S. official gave an intriguing twist to the story Friday by saying that investigators are considering whether the plane's disappearance was due to "an act of piracy" and whether the big jet might have landed somewhere without being detected.

A takeover of the plane seemed to be ruled out a few days ago, when officials discounted any link between terrorism and two passengers who were traveling on fake passports. The piracy theory, however, gained new life when it was reported that the plane's transponders had been turned off, making it more stealthy; and that signals from the plane indicated that it kept flying for several hours after the last radio contact, possibly turning west toward the Indian Ocean. Scott Shankland, an American Airlines pilot who spent several years as a co-pilot on Boeing 777s, said a captain would know how to disable radios and the plane's other tracking systems. But a hijacker, even one trained to fly a plane, "would probably be hunting and pecking quite a while - 'Do I pull this switch? Do I pull that?' You could disable a great deal" of the tracking equipment, "but possibly not all of it."
Some of the plane's data is transmitted automatically from equipment not located in the cockpit, making it even harder to avoid leaving electronic bread crumbs, he said.

John Hansman, an aeronautics professor at MIT who is familiar with the Boeing 777, said it would be possible for an intruder to turn off the transponders, but knowing how to shut down other systems in a bid to be stealthy would be more difficult. Even if 9/11-style hijackers got that far, he said, they would be challenged to keep flying, make a successful landing, and hide the plane.
"If it was a hijacking, it was probably a hijacking gone bad," he said.

link to store (http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140315/DACHRVNO1.html)

[Horn]

Right, maybe it was all a show of radar cloaking device power to the Russians.

"Look we can cloak an airliner or a couple 100 cruise missiles so you better get your guys to stand down."

[zap]

http://news.msn.com/world/malaysia-investigators-conclude-flight-hijacked More at link.............

KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) — Investigators have concluded that one or more people with significant flying experience hijacked the missing Malaysia Airlines jet, switched off communication devices and steered it off-course, a Malaysian government official involved in the investigation said Saturday.

[Horn]

Was Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Redirected to Diego Garcia? (http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/)

This lady at CNN has a very detailed and "classified" analysis based on ping signatures, that goes two completely different directions.

Neither of which goes out towards that Diego Garcia base.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/14/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/

Kind of eclipses the notion of "sticking a fork in it"

[Horn]

This was from comment section of that thread you posted, Glass.


Hazelhttp://www.gravatar.com/avatar/9de070e90fc9ce61c79876954a57d4ba?rating=X&default=identicon says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia


Four days after a missing flight, a patent is approved by the Patent Office for maximizing dies on a wafer. 4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX. Patent is divided up on 20% increments to 5 holders. Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%) Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%) Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%) Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%) Freescale Semiconductor (20%) If a patent holder dies, then the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased if not disputed in a will. If 4 of the 5 dies, then the remaining 1 Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent. That remaining live Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.


Who owns Freescale Semiconductor ?? Jacob Rothschild through Blackstone who owns Freescale. Here is your motive for the missing Beijing plane. As all 4 Chinese members of the Patent were passengers on the missing plane. Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs. However, they cannot do so until the Patent is approved. So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved. Thus, Rothschild gets 100% of Patent once Patent holders declared deceased. Rothschild, you are an evil bastard

[Glass]

So the shared Patent system sounds like a Tontine. I think those things are illegal.

[Serpo]

Malaysian leader: Plane's disappearance deliberate
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http://analytics.apnewsregistry.com/analytics/v2/image.svc/AP/RWS/hosted.ap.org/MAI/V8906-2014-03-15T0821Z/E/prod/AT/A KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) -- The missing Malaysian jetliner was deliberately diverted and continued flying for more than six hours after losing contact with the ground, meaning it could have gone as far northwest as Kazakhstan or into the Indian Ocean's southern reaches, Malaysia's leader said Saturday.
Prime Minister Najib Razak's statement confirmed days of mounting speculation that the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 to Beijing more than a week ago was not accidental. It refocused the investigation into the flight's crew and passengers and underlined the massive task for searchers who already have been scouring vast areas of ocean.
"Clearly the search for MH370 has entered a new phase," Najib said at a televised news conference.
Najib stressed that investigators were looking into all possibilities as to why the Boeing 777 deviated so drastically from its original flight path, saying authorities could not confirm whether it was a hijacking. Earlier Saturday, a Malaysian official said the plane had been hijacked, though he added that no motive had been established and no demands had been made known.
"In view of this latest development, the Malaysian authorities have refocused their investigation into the crew and passengers on board," Najib told reporters, reading from a written statement but not taking any questions.
Police on Saturday drove into the residential compound where the missing plane's pilot lives in Kuala Lumpur, according a guard and several local reporters who were barred from entering the complex. Authorities have said they will investigate the pilots as part of their probe, but have released no information about how they are progressing.
Experts have previously said that whoever disabled the plane's communication systems and then flew the jet must have had a high degree of technical knowledge and flying experience. One possibility they have raised was that one of the pilots wanted to commit suicide.
The plane was carrying 239 people when it departed for an overnight flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing at 12:40 a.m. on March 8. Its communications with civilian air controllers were severed at about 1:20 a.m., and the jet went missing - heralding one of the most puzzling mysteries in modern aviation history.
Investigators now have a high degree of certainty that one of the plane's communications systems - the Aircraft and Communications Addressing and Reporting System - was disabled before the aircraft reached the east coast of Malaysia, Najib said. Shortly afterward, someone on board then switched off the aircraft's transponder, which communicates with civilian air traffic controllers.
Najib then confirmed that Malaysian air force defense radar picked up traces of the plane turning back westward, crossing over Peninsular Malaysia into the northern stretches of the Strait of Malacca. Authorities previously had said this radar data could not be verified.
"These movements are consistent with deliberate action by someone on the plane," Najib said.
Although the aircraft was flying virtually blind to air traffic controllers at this point, onboard equipment continued to send pings to satellites.
The prime minister said the last confirmed signal between the plane and a satellite came at 8:11 a.m. - 7 hours and 31 minutes after takeoff. This was more than five hours later than the previous time given by Malaysian authorities as the possible last contact.
Airline officials have said the plane had enough fuel to fly for up to about eight hours.
"The investigations team is making further calculations which will indicate how far the aircraft may have flown after this last point of contact," Najib said.
He said authorities had determined that the plane's last communication with a satellite was in one of two possible "corridors" - a northern one from northern Thailand through to the border of the Central Asian countries Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan, and a southern one from Indonesia to the southern Indian Ocean.
Searching in the South China Sea, where the plane first lost contact, has ended, Najib said.
Two-thirds of the plane's 227 passengers were Chinese, and China's government has been under pressure to give relatives firm news of the plane's fate.
In a stinging commentary, the Chinese government's Xinhua News Agency accused Malaysia of dragging its feet in releasing information. Information released by the Malaysian leader is "painfully belated," the commentary said. It said delays had resulted in wasted efforts and strained the nerves of relatives.
"Given today's technology, the delay smacks of either dereliction of duty or reluctance to share information in a full and timely manner," Xinhua said. "That would be intolerable."
Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang said China had urged Malaysia to release more details about the new search area.
The northern route described by Najib might have taken the plane through a region home to extremist Islamist groups and unstable governments, as well as remote, sparsely populated areas. But the region also hosts U.S. military bases with powerful surveillance capabilities.
Flying south would put the plane over the Indian Ocean, with an average depth of 3,890 meters (12,762 feet) and thousands of kilometers (miles) from the nearest land mass.
Malaysia has faced accusations that it isn't sharing all its information or suspicions about the plane's final movements, which have been the subject of constant media leaks both in Malaysia and the United States. Najib said that he understood the need for families to receive information, but that his government wanted to release only fully corroborated information.
He said that from Day One, the country had been sharing information with international investigators, even when it meant placing "national security concerns" second to the search, a likely reference to its release of military radar data. U.S., British and Malaysian air safety investigators have been on the ground in Malaysia to assist with the investigation.
In the Chinese capital, relatives of passengers who have anxiously awaited news at a hotel near Beijing's airport said they felt deceived at not being told earlier about the plane's last signal. "We are going through a roller coaster, and we feel helpless and powerless," said a woman, who declined to give her name.
At least one of the people waiting at the hotel saw a glimmer of hope in word that the plane's disappearance was a deliberate act, rather than a crash. "It's very good," said the woman, who gave only her surname, Wen.
Malaysian police have already said they are looking at the psychological state, family life and connections of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27. Both have been described as respectable, community-minded men.
Zaharie joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981 and had more than 18,000 hours of experience. His Facebook page showed an aviation enthusiast who flew remote-controlled aircraft, posting pictures of his collection, which included a lightweight twin-engine helicopter and an amphibious aircraft.
Fariq was contemplating marriage after having just graduated to the cockpit of a Boeing 777. He has drawn scrutiny after the revelation that in 2011, he and another pilot invited two women aboard their aircraft to sit in the cockpit for a flight from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur.
Fourteen countries are involved in the search, which is using 43 ships and 58 aircraft.
A U.S. P-8A Poseidon, the most advanced long-range anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare aircraft in the world, was to arrive over the weekend and sweep parts of the Indian Ocean. It has a nine-member crew and has advanced surveillance and reconnaissance capabilities, the U.S. Defense Department said in a statement.
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Associated Press writers Chris Brummitt and Jim Gomez contributed to this report from Kuala Lumpur. AP writer Didi Tang, video producer Aritz Parra and news assistant Henry Hou contributed from Beijing.
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[Neuro]

This was from comment section of that thread you posted, Glass.
More info on the semiconductor company:
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-latest-conspiracy-theory-were-freescale-semiconductor-top-employees-1440097



Malaysian and Chinese journalists look for the missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, during a mission on a Vietnam Air Force AN-26 aircraft, off Con Dao island March 13, 2014.Reuters
Conspiracy theorists have swooped on claims that 20 employees of a semi-conductor manufacturing firm, which develops components for hi-tech weapons systems and aircraft navigation among other things, were on board the missing Malaysian passenger jet.


On board Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 were employees from Freescale Semiconductor, a Texas-based technology firm.


They were based in several manufacturing sites in Kuala Lumpur and Tianjin, China; 12 of the employees were from Malaysia and eight were from China, a spokeswoman for the company confirmed.


Links between the plane's mysterious disappearance and the radar-blocking capabilities of some of the aeronautical hardware technology produced by Freescale have been pushed by citizens news site Beforeitsnews.


"It is conceivable that the Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 plane is 'cloaked', hiding with high-tech electronic warfare weaponry that exists and is used," according to the site.




Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 Crash Search Map
"In fact, this type of technology is precisely the expertise of Freescale, that has 20 employees on board the missing flight," it said.


The anonymous author on the site makes reference to the capabilities of Israel making an attack on Iran. Such an attack would include jamming the electric grid, internet, and cell phone network, using devices such as one that mimics a maintenance cell phone signal that commands the cell network to "sleep".


The report also references a story from Fox News that explained that new stealth technology makes airplanes invisible to radar, and can also make them hard to spot with the naked eye.


Timeline
Malaysia Airlines' Missing Flight MH370:
"The general public might not hear about how far the US has really come, because it is and should remain classified," noted firearms expert Chris Sajnog, a former Navy Seal. "Other countries are still playing catch-up — but they're closing the gap."


Freescale Semiconductor has been developing microprocessors, sensors and other technology for the past 50 years. The technology it creates is commonly referred to as embedded processors, which according to the firm are "standalone semiconductors that perform dedicated computing functions in electronic systems".


The passengers on board were engineers and other experts working to make Freescale Semiconductor chip facilities in Tianjin and Kuala Lumpur more efficient, said Mitch Haws, vice- president, global communications and investor relations.


"These were people with a lot of experience and technical background and they were very important people," Haws said.


"It's definitely a loss for the company."


The company had been streamlining facilities in Tianjin and Kuala Lumpur that for testing and packaging microchips used in automobiles, consumer products, telecommunications infrastructure and industrial equipment.
Transportation and accommodation for the 20 staff members' families was being arranged as well as being given with grief counselling.


One of the chipmaker's long-time competitors, Texas Instruments, tweeted on Saturday:


texasinstrumsents tweet
FLIGHT MH370 FACTBOX


Flight MH370 took off from Kuala Lumpur International Airport en route to Beijing at 00:41 on Saturday 8 March (16:41 GMT Friday).


About 50 minutes later, the aircraft lost contact with air traffic control.


No distress call was made.


On board, there were 12 Malaysian crew members and 227 passengers from 14 countries. That included 153 Chinese and 38 Malaysians.


Two Iranian male passengers, Pouria Nour Mohammad Mahread and Delavar Syed Mohammad Reza, were travelling on fake passports. Neither had any apparent links to terrorist groups.


No debris from the plane has been found in the international search.


At least 10 countries, including China, the US and Singapore, were using a total of 42 ships and 39 aircraft to search for the missing plane in the South China Sea, the Malacca Strait and the Andaman Sea.
read the comments section, small world aye?

[Dick_Stabber]

Found it..

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html

[BrewTech]

Found it..

http://vietnam.craigslist.org/for/4372477162.html

That's pretty funny... should have seen that coming.

[Hitch]

Cell phones are very low power and rely on a network of very closely located cell towers to work (anyone who travels in the countryside well outside a metro area knows how spotty cell phone coverage can be). It's highly unlikely that a cell phone would be able to handshake with a cell tower on land when that far offshore.

Cell phones have GPS. Which is satellite based. You are talking about triangulation of cell towers needed for a voice connection. On my phone I was out hundreds of miles at sea. I had no cell connection obviously, but the GPS worked just fine. I have a marine chart plotting app on it. Would the low power GPS work in the middle of the ocean, I don't know. But it's possible as long as the minimum number of satellites are in range.

[midnight rambler]

Cell phones have GPS. Which is satellite based. You are talking about triangulation of cell towers needed for a voice connection. On my phone I was out hundreds of miles at sea. I had no cell connection obviously, but the GPS worked just fine. I have a marine chart plotting app on it. Would the low power GPS work in the middle of the ocean, I don't know. But it's possible as long as the minimum number of satellites are in range.

Considering the GPS trackers that my friend has on his service trucks you'd think a cell phone could perform the same function, IF so configured and equipped. The trick is getting the service providers to play along with locating the cell phones in question (of course provided they are still on and there's any battery life left).

[Horn]

Yeah, there's places here in Costa Rica between the mountains that I can't get signal for voice, but he GPS still finds me.

Being that Rolls Royce says the engines ran for four hours, and they were directed that way at last know radar contact,

they must've stowed it in that Diego Garcia base. Just connecting the dots.

http://i2.wp.com/www.cabaltimes.com/wp-content/diego-garcia.jpg?resize=442%2C263

[Hitch]

Considering the GPS trackers that my friend has on his service trucks you'd think a cell phone could perform the same function, IF so configured and equipped. The trick is getting the service providers to play along with locating the cell phones in question (of course provided they are still on and there's any battery life left).

The FBI does this all the time. In fact, they even have the capability to turn on the mic on the phone and listen to the back ground convo. Even if the phone is turned off, the only way around that is to actually take out the battery on the phone.

For a test, I just set my phone to airplane mode, so no internet or calls. I opened up my GPS chart plotting app. Sure enough, it pin pointed my location. I haven't flown in years. I wonder if it would work at high altitude in a plane.

[Cebu_4_2]

I wonder if it would work at high altitude in a plane.

I imagine you would be closer to the satellites.

[mick silver]

http://www.clker.com/cliparts/7/5/c/4/12236149901644431824Ricardo_UFO.svg.hi.png

[BrewTech]

I used to have a lot of respect for Mike Adams... that respect began to evaporate when he started palling around with AJ.

Looks like they have both come out of the closet! Apparently Iran has stolen the plane so they can nuke Tel Aviv... Oy Vey!

http://www.infowars.com/flight-370-passengers-may-still-be-alive-pirated-boeing-777-may-return-to-skies-as-stealth-nuclear-weapon/

Reuters and the WSJ now produce excellent investigative articles, according to MA. I'm sure they are certified kosher!

[Uncle Salty]

I used to have a lot of respect for Mike Adams... that respect began to evaporate when he started palling around with AJ.

Looks like they have both come out of the closet! Apparently Iran has stolen the plane so they can nuke Tel Aviv... Oy Vey!

http://www.infowars.com/flight-370-passengers-may-still-be-alive-pirated-boeing-777-may-return-to-skies-as-stealth-nuclear-weapon/

Mike Adams is officially a Zionist stooge douche bag. What an asshole.

[Neuro]

The FBI does this all the time. In fact, they even have the capability to turn on the mic on the phone and listen to the back ground convo. Even if the phone is turned off, the only way around that is to actually take out the battery on the phone.

For a test, I just set my phone to airplane mode, so no internet or calls. I opened up my GPS chart plotting app. Sure enough, it pin pointed my location. I haven't flown in years. I wonder if it would work at high altitude in a plane.
The GPS is dependent on RECEIVING a signal from the satellites, which it can do all over the world, however no signal is transmitted to the satellites, so unless you are in the range of a cell tower there is no way that anyone apart from you can figure out were you are, if you are in the middle of the Indian Ocean, or over it...

[Neuro]

Yeah, there's places here in Costa Rica between the mountains that I can't get signal for voice, but he GPS still finds me.

Being that Rolls Royce says the engines ran for four hours, and they were directed that way at last know radar contact,

they must've stowed it in that Diego Garcia base. Just connecting the dots.

http://i2.wp.com/www.cabaltimes.com/wp-content/diego-garcia.jpg?resize=442%2C263
Seems like a very long distance from where they lost contact, is it possible to reach it?

[Cebu_4_2]

Seems like a very long distance from where they lost contact, is it possible to reach it?

Just outside the MSM circle... makes a LOT of sense.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/13/article-2579955-1C43F8D500000578-756_634x565.jpg

[Neuro]

Just outside the MSM circle... makes a LOT of sense.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/13/article-2579955-1C43F8D500000578-756_634x565.jpg
It does! Does Diego Garcia have a landing strip, NOT full of military personnel?

[JohnQPublic]

According to this article, some relatives still see the cellphones online: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/vanished-malaysia-airlines-flight-leaves-relatives-with-anger-and-phantom-phone-calls/2014/03/10/fdb78642-a862-11e3-b61e-8051b8b52d06_story.html

[Cebu_4_2]

It does! Does Diego Garcia have a landing strip, NOT full of military personnel?

I don't think so, you need a special permit to go there and that permit is from London. Probably from the Queen.

Special ops late night edition, top secret.

[Horn]

It does! Does Diego Garcia have a landing strip, NOT full of military personnel?

The jet was rated to go something like 14k miles if on full, was stated on the link to Glass' thread.

Its the only thing that makes sense, if the guy was highly skilled to do a 180 then he would set a direct course for where he was going. Connect the dots after that.

No way he's going to be looping up 90 degrees due north or south to get where he's going after traveling an hour or so..

[singular_me]

just in case this was not posted - have no time to go through the whole thread

RED ALERT: Malaysian Flight MH 370 Hijacked for Islamic Terrorist Invasion of America
Saturday, March 15, 2014
(psoted by Truther.org, a site that I like a lot, otherwise I wouldnt bother)

http://truthernews.wordpress.com/2014/03/15/malaysian-flight-mh-370-hijacked-for-islamic-jihad-invasion-of-u-s/

[Libertytree]

just in case this was not posted - have no time to go through the whole thread

RED ALERT: Malaysian Flight MH 370 Hijacked for Islamic Terrorist Invasion of America
Saturday, March 15, 2014
(psoted by Truther.org, a site that I like a lot, otherwise I wouldnt bother)

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2014/03/red-alert-malaysian-flight-mh-370-hijacked-for-islamic-terrorist-invasion-of-america-2918836.html?utm_source=direct-b4in.info&utm_campaign=&utm_medium=verticalresponse&utm_content=beforeit39snews-verticalresponse&utm_term=http%3A%2F%2Fb4in.info%2FcU2s

Me thinks the Onion got hacked!

[mick silver]

me thinks china will be saling parts in the next few days

[singular_me]

Me thinks the Onion got hacked!
I like the site overall... and LOVE The Onion :)

[Horn]

6113


Just connecting the dots.

http://i2.wp.com/www.cabaltimes.com/wp-content/diego-garcia.jpg?resize=442%2C263

[Serpo]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/15/article-2581817-1C5441ED00000578-457_964x1609.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/03/15/article-2581817-1C54454700000578-32_964x1069.jpg

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html

[Glass]

ok so based on that it's a black op confirmed IMO. The Patsy is now framed. There is a lot of work in that narrative. It would be convincing for most people to accept as the answer. The map key says that everything on the flight path after Igari is purely speculation, meaning "fiction". Seems to be limited admission of the real flight path, except it didn't turn north east at Gival/Vampi but continued on. It was under someone else's control but the real question is not just who but whether they were inside the aircraft.

You'd be amazed how many commercial pilots currently flying and retired have a very details flight sim. Is the suggestion here that he had more technical ability than most people and could shut down all these comm systems? Or was he very dedicated to his skill set? I'd like to see, on a schematic, where all these shut down points are. Are there any that you would need to crawl around in the guts of the plane to disable? Are they all in the cockpit? I'd like to hear from an experienced flight sim/ active pilot person to say whether they think it's possible.

[Horn]

The plane banked upto 45000 ft. when it was making the 180,

most likely to avoid any other traffic that might have been in the heavier traveled flight lanes,

Why, who or if everyone on board got knocked out with gas, who knows about the motive? But the plane did go to that diego base.

[Serpo]

http://www.cabaltimes.com/2014/03/12/ma370-redirected-to-diego-garcia/

[Down1]

Looks like they are trying to float a "suicide" trial balloon.

As police investigate the two pilots of a Malaysian passenger jet that disappeared more than a week ago, a possibility they must consider is that one of them committed suicide by deliberately crashing the plane.

While such incidents have happened before, the topic remains almost taboo, with investigators and officials reluctant to conclude that a pilot purposely crashed a plane in order to commit suicide even when the evidence appears compelling.

A dozen years ago, U.S. investigators filed a final report into the 1999 crash of EgyptAir Flight 990, which plunged into the Atlantic Ocean near the Massachusetts island of Nantucket, killing all 217 aboard. They concluded that when co-pilot Gameel El-Batouty found himself alone on the flight deck, he switched off the auto-pilot, pointed the plane downward, and calmly repeated the phrase "I rely on God" over and over, 11 times in total.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pilot-suicide-taboo-topic-past-crash-probes-22930150


http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/pilot-suicide-taboo-topic-past-crash-probes-22930150

[Horn]

Looks like they are trying to float a "suicide" trial balloon.

Ah OK, let me do a 180 U turn up to 4500 ft. then think about suicide for another 4 hours with a plane full of crew and passengers.

Makes perfect sense.

[Glass]

Flight 370 possibly hacked by mobile phone or usb stick

Some expert who is looking to make money writing things on paper says the plane could have been hacked by a mobile phone or USB stick and the planes security systems disabled.

Flight MH370 could have fallen victim to the world’s first ‘‘cyber-hijack’’, with a British anti-terrorist expert saying a plane could be taken over using a mobile phone or USB stick.
Former Home Office scientific adviser Dr Sally Leivesley said hackers could change the plane’s speed, altitude and direction by sending radio signals to its flight management system.

It could then be landed or made to crash by remote control, Dr Leivesley told the Sunday Express in London.




Dr Leivesley, who runs her own company training businesses and governments to counter terrorist attacks, told the Sunday Express she believed malicious codes, triggered by a mobile phone, would have been able to override the aircraft’s security.
“There appears to be an element of planning from someone with a very sophisticated systems engineering understanding,” Dr Leivesley said.
“This is a very early version of what I would call a smart plane, a fly-by-wire aircraft controlled by electronic signals.
“It is looking more and more likely that the control of some systems was taken over in a deceptive manner, either manually, so someone sitting in a seat overriding the autopilot, or via a remote device turning off or overwhelming the systems.
“A mobile phone could have been used to do so or a USB stick.
“When the plane is air-side, you can insert a set of commands and codes that may initiate, on signal, a set of processes.”
Dr Leivesley said the hacking threat was raised at a science conference in China last year.

“What we are finding now is that it is possible with a mobile phone to initiate a signal to a preset piece of malicious software, or malware, in the computer that initiates a whole set of instructions,’’ she said.
“It is possible for hackers — be they part of organised crime or with government backgrounds — to get into the main computer network of the plane through the inflight, onboard entertainment system.



The Sunday Express reported that last April, a German security consultant and commercial pilot unveiled a way to hijack a plane remotely using a phone.
Addressing the Hack In The Box security summit in Amsterdam, the consultant Hugo Teso said he had spent three years developing a series of malicious codes on a mobile phone app called PlaneSploit that hacked into an aircraft’s security system.

link (http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/security-it/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-could-have-fallen-victim-to-worlds-first-cyberhijack-20140316-hvji3.html)

I wonder how long before mobile phones are banned on flights. I mean you can't call anyone from way up there.

[singular_me]

at first glance, headlines on beforeitsnews.com

Expert - US Knows 'More' Than It's Saying About Missing Plane (Video) (video)
By Susan Duclos As information comes out regarding the missing Malaysia Flight 370, more questions are surfacing, specifically about the lack of connecting the dots on the part of the mainstream media. Why are they not reporting everything? Are they once again holding back information from the general public...

The Malaysian Airliner Is NOT Missing & Much More
It is exactly where somebody has designed it to be.

[Serpo]

Flight MH370 and the CIA’s secret interrogation base at U-Tapao Thailand (EXCLUSIVE)

Malaysian Airlines MH370 A dirty Secret and Conspiracy facts.


Flight MH370 did it land at a secret CIA Base at U-Tapao, Thailand? the lies of the US Governments and cover up.

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished when its flight transponder was manually turned of at 1.30am in the early hours of Saturday the 8th of April north of Thailand in aviation no mans land between Malaysia, Vietnam and Thailand.

I will not claim I have all the answers but I will put forward a likely scenario which has been very clear to me from day one due to my location, local knowledge and investigative nature following the planes disappearance and clocking up over 70 hours of research following the hunt for the missing plane and seeing through the Tsunami of Disinformation which was all released from US sources.

My theory is this and its the most plausible one on the table right now.

I believe that flight MH737 had its identity switched with a USAF Cargo plane and simply landed one hour later at the nearby CIA Secret Interrogation facility at U-Tapao Airport Thailand between Pattaya and the Cambodian border. American forces built U-Tapao during the Vietnam War era for bombing raids by B-52’s. Although it is classed as a International airport due to its long runway the reality is very different with all sorts of secret US missions including NASA high altitude research station and suspect Terrorists arriving for interrogation .It has also been accused by the Thai Opposition as a cover for spying into Neighboring countries through it secretive NASA High altitude Weather program.

It is said that U-Tapao handles 30 USAF Flights a month mostly military planes arriving at night from places such as Diego Garcia the US base in the Indian Ocean. These planes regulary land late at night in a then deserted Airport. The last domestic flight by Bangkok airways Departs at 5.20pm after that becomes a very dark and secretive US operation.

U-Tapao does get the odd Russian charter flight occasionally in similar livery to MAS colors so a plane landing at night would get little attention from the skeleton crew of local Thai maintenance workers and fishermen who fish just off the runway. It’s interesting to note that U-Tapao has a runway straight off the ocean directly opposite 60-90mins to the north of the planes last confirmed location.

The passage below is from the New York Times article about secret US activities at this base a passage of which you can red below.

One such place in Thailand is Utapao Air Base, 90 miles south of Bangkok. During the Vietnam War, Utapao was humming 24 hours a day as a base for B-52′s carrying out bombing raids over North Vietnam. Despite Thailand’s studied neutrality on the war in Iraq — one Thai foreign affairs official said during the war that the country had no position — Mr. Thaksin allowed Utapao to be used by American warplanes flying into combat in Iraq, as he had earlier, during the war in Afghanistan.

Utapao is also probably where Qaeda operatives have been interrogated, retired American intelligence officials said, explaining that the base had facilities for sophisticated interrogations.

Last year, according to other American officials, at least two senior Qaeda operatives were brought here for interrogation — Abu Zubaydah, thought to have been Al Qaeda’s operations chief, and Ramzi bin al- Shibh, a planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Both men were captured last year in Pakistan, and they may have been brought to Thailand as part of a broader C.I.A. program to take captives to ”undisclosed locations.” They have since been moved. It is not known how many other Qaeda suspects have been interrogated here, or if any are still here. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/08/world/threats-responses-southeast-asia-thailand-tiptoes-step-with-american-antiterror.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/08/world/threats-responses-southeast-asia-thailand-tiptoes-step-with-american-antiterror.html)


Now the question is why would the US want to hijack a civilian Airplane and land at its CIA Interrogation facility?.

The clue maybe lie in the twenty ethnic Chinese passengers belonging to the defense firm Freescale which has links to both China and the US and the manufacturer of micro processors and chips that power and control the Military might of China and Russians war capabilities. Especially drones and Missiles systems with war likely with Russia and increased tensions with China this theory should hold some weight.

A late night chat with Mike a Senior US Military official shed a light on the importance of such technology. I think Mike has got it wrong its not China that has the plane I think it’s Mikes own Bosses. Here’s the link an interesting insight into a possible motive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PVmwKJMJgM&feature=player_embedded

At this point we really do not know if Freescale has just lost its entire R&D department and that they are currently with the CIA interrogation team at U-Tapao divulging Chinese and possibly Russian Military secrets. With the build up of 80,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and the planned US war games of Operation Rapid Trident in Ukraine this summer you have to wonder if this is not a guise for war with Russia/China.. I cannot help but think at least twenty of the missing passengers are with the CIA at U-Tapao divulging the state secrets of China and Russia. Desperate times lead to desperate measures?

So how can a plane vanish from radar and fly for one hour through Thai Airspace before landing at the US’s secret facility at U-Tapao?
The answer is very simple in reality. When the plane left Malaysian Air traffic control the transponder was turned off and the plane flew into an area where it was joined by a USAF Stealth plane of some description, which at the time was broadcasting a USAF cargo plane call sign. The two identities were switched with the help of at least one nearby USAF E-3 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) plane which jammed local radar and created the smoke screen for the switch of the two planes identities. To be possible there have been unconfirmed reports of two such planes flying in the area at the time.

This stealth plane then flew west over Malaysian Airlines occasionally transmitting a MH370 signal to confuse local Malaysian Military and air traffic control and radar facilities on to the Malacca straights and went back to stealth for its onward flight to the USAF base at Diego Garcia.

I have no doubts that either by high tech means Fly-by-wire ( FBW) or low-tech manual hijacking or even simply bribing one or two of the Pilots the CIA have the ability to hijack the plane and land it undected.


Once flight MH370 had switched identities to a USAF Cargo plane it flew unnoticed into Thai airspace and landed one hour later at U-Tapao and was quickly put into one of the many hangers. I doubt the plane will be still there.

Its interesting to note that a report in the respected China Times newspaper reported a source from the US Embassy Beijing that the US base at U-Tapao had picked up a SOS mayday call from the MH370 at 2.43am requesting immediate landing permission as it was in major difficulties. Since then this report has been cleansed from Global Media reports and the US have failed to confirm or deny the report. I believe this was a leak of a prepared report that was to cover themselves in the possibility of a crash on arrival at U-Tapao.

U-Tapao has long been know by locals for the secretive goings on of US Military personnel the following is from a local internet forum which describes a chance meeting with such characters with forum member BobR

“I live 2 miles from Utapao and have run into people in military green who act like they do not want to be seen. Twice in the nearby 7-11 they acted strange, refused to make eye contact and appeared unhappy to be recognized as Americans, they jumped into a VW Van with Bangkok plates and others and left quickly. Yes, something is going on there and has been for a while.

It’s difficult to describe this, but I left those encounters with the feeling something strange was happening.

No seriously, I don’t make stuff up like this; their behavior was really bizarre. When I run into the American Navy people here during the joint Thai/American exercises they usually are very friendly, outgoing and surprised to see an American in a Thai teachers uniform and want information on the best places to go and how to get there. I’ve even driven some of them to Pattaya over the past few years. But these guys were completely different. I probably should not have mentioned this at all, but the behavior was so strange It’s difficult to forget.
http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asia-news/108861-thailand-us-denies-secret-plans-u-2.html

Which leads me onto the US manufactured Tsunami of Disinformation designed to distract and mislead investigators searching for the planes where a bouts.

I followed the search very loosely and so far have logged 75 hours. The Initial search was based on the flight path of MH370 heading over the gulf to Vietnam. An early report the plane had turned sharp to the west over the Malacca Straights was investigated with little success. The trail was dead. Then an eyewitness on an Oilrig off the east coast of Vietnams Ngoc Hien of Ca Mau Island reported of a flaming plane in the sky. A New Zealand oil worker sent an email claiming he saw the jet and the same time heading north resulted in search efforts been directed there. Closer examination of the email by Vietnamese Officials showed skepticism for the Identity of the Oil worker and for the report, which was suspiciously filed 3 days after the plane, went missing.
The next morning the worlds media with ABC and the BBC leading were reporting it was a fact due to ABC news running a story of a telephone conversation interview with the Oil workers Canadian Boss who under closer examination looks to also to be another fake identity. The oilrig has links to Chevron amongst other companies.

Just when the news about the fake identities was getting uncovered US officials broke the news that the plane had in fact travelled a further 4-5 hours due to data collected from the Planes Rolls Royce engines. The search then switched from the planes original flight path back to the west and the huge area that is the Indian Ocean.

Rolls Royce have now released a statement saying the US Governments is lying and that there was no further data from the engines. The whole Indian/Ocean/Andaman search was based on this false information from Unnamed US Officials.

There was further disinformation with unconfirmed reports of a crashed plane on China controlled Coco Island, US satellite data and even contact off the west coast of Australia.

Now we here stories of Tajikistan and west China. Hints at Iran’s possible need for human shields and the bullshit idea of a stripped out 777 that has the ability to fly a nuclear bomb to the US mainland. India has also came out and said it would be impossible for this plane to fly over its Air space unnoticed.

Since then we hear the US making claims of Iranian Terror suspects who were travelling on false passports but turned out to be skinny Teenage refugees. The similarity to the Dagestan Boston Marathon Bombers who were murdered by US police is quite striking.

I would suggest the search for the missing planes rewinds back to the moment the planes transmitter was turned off and look at the whole mystery again and pressurize Thai and US military to release details of USAF flights to and from U-Tapao from the 8-10th

If the US find the plane badly broken up with no Passengers or working Black box in the general area of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean it will be of no surprise to this researcher.

The above story might be difficult to believe for most people but it would explain passengers SIM cards working and every other piece of misinformation, which has been fed to the world about what really happened and to cover the truth and US involvement.

So I ask you before we roll out the Bombers and blame Iran please rewind to U-Tapao and start asking questions. Its is clear the US has misled the search for the plane and my theory would explain why. Questions need to be asked and made public regarding the identity of the 5 passengers who checked in and didn’t make the flight.

The author of this article has been the victim of online censuring for the last week where his Facebook, YouTube and email accounts have been censured that restricted him reaching out to with info about U-Tapao which has only galvanized his belief that something very similar to what has been explained above actually took place.

The Facebook page Flight MH370 the dirty hidden truth & conspiracy facts registered 115 like on its first day then after heavy censorship from unknown forces six then next day.

https://www.facebook.com/MH370truth?fref=ts

Jim Stone and Alex Jones please get in touch when you read this as I have sent numerous emails without reply. I assume our mail is censured.

Peace x

KK

FTM 2014

The author can be contacted on secure chat/email at mh370truth@unseen.is





http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/flight-mh370-and-the-cias-secret-interrogation-base-at-u-tapao-thailand-exclusive-2451142.html?currentSplittedPage=0

[BrewTech]

Is it too soon to say I really don't give a flying fuck where flight MH370 went?

It really has nothing to do with me, or anything to do with anything that has anything to do with me.

Much like anything on TV, which I haven't had for 5 years.

Seriously, unless you think you family or friends were on that "flight"... WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?

[Serpo]

Is it too soon to say I really don't give a flying fuck where flight MH370 went?

It really has nothing to do with me, or anything to do with anything that has anything to do with me.

Much like anything on TV, which I haven't had for 5 years.

Seriously, unless you think you family or friends were on that "flight"... WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?

This is a thread about the missing airliner...........

Nothing more and nothing less.....

All the BS America has put out seems to be working...........

[Glass]

The plane is going to be used in an attack. So they captured it, landed it. Killed all the passengers. Hid the plane. Now they are going to refuel it with tens of thousands of gallons of aviation fuel. They are going to taxi it down a run way and they are going to take off in it and fly it into something or other?

What exactly. Wasn't there a rumour about 2 or 3 weeks ago about some attempt to hit the Petronas towers or something?

[mick silver]

what scare me is that there a war about to start the usa will be forced to play in this war , i have a few sons and i do not want them to see the stuff my eyes have seen . and this could be a world war about to play out to many rich want this . there so many people looking for a plane and no one knows nothing ... think about that ... million looking

[Glass]

what scare me is that there a war about to start the usa will be forced to play in this war , i have a few sons and i do not want them to see the stuff my eyes have seen . and this could be a world war about to play out to many rich want this . there so many people looking for a plane and no one knows nothing ... think about that ... million looking

satellites that miss nothing didn't see that one. I agree but everyone has suspended disbelief at this time. The most obvious answer is usually the right one. When I turned a certain age I celebrated. I didn't celebrate my birthday. I celebrated that I could no longer be called to active service/draft. I am not, never have been in active service. Pretty sad thing to celebrate but I figured the writing was on the wall

Thanks mick silver for thanking me. Got me off that damn number.

[Horn]

Seriously, unless you think you family or friends were on that "flight"... WHY DO YOU FUCKING CARE?

I have to fly sometimes and would like to avoid being rerouted to diego garcia, if possible.

Had the malaysian general not coughed up the radar info. these things might become a recurring mystery from here on out.

[midnight rambler]

At this point I think it's a safe bet that all souls on board MH370 have departed this earth and are no longer to be counted among the living.

[EE_]

At this point I think it's a safe bet that all souls on board MH370 have departed this earth and are no longer to be counted among the living.

Does that mean insurance companies can start paying out on their life insurance policies?

[midnight rambler]

Does that mean insurance companies can start paying out on their life insurance policies?

JMO, the Matrix will continue to 'keep hope alive' for some time I'm sure, then eventually the shysters and their faggot pals in the black dresses will start talking amongst themselves to see how they can divy up the loot. What leads me to think all souls have perished is that keeping nearly 240 people fed, housed and such while captive for going on two weeks would take a lot of resources and logistic support. Nope, no A-rab cavemen pulled this off. And additionally if some group were holding all the people who were on MH370 hostage for some purpose I'd think that group would have surfaced and made their demands known by now (again, considering what it would take to accommodate that many people).

[Libertytree]

JMO, the Matrix will continue to 'keep hope alive' for some time I'm sure, then eventually the shysters and their faggot pals in the black dresses will start talking amongst themselves to see how they can divy up the loot. What leads me to think all souls have perished is that keeping nearly 240 people fed, housed and such while captive for going on two weeks would take a lot of resources and logistic support. Nope, no A-rab cavemen pulled this off. And additionally if some group were holding all the people who were on MH370 hostage for some purpose I'd think that group would have surfaced and made their demands known by now (again, considering what it would take to accommodate that many people).

Hypothetically speaking....Let's imagine that they are all still alive. Once the plane was landed and hidden, all those people were separated and scattered, maybe in small groups? We do know that some of the people on that flight were major tech minds and presumably have a great deal of worth, monetarily and intellectually. It would take some time to accomplish this but at some point they would make their ransom demands for the people and perhaps the plane.

By scattering the hostages they're much more controllable, especially with the threat of killing others in another group or in their own group. It'd also be a great tactical advantage to the kidnappers not having them all in one place, in case the location was somehow discovered.

[Serpo]

http://www.lignet.com/App_Themes/BHG/Images/dotGray.gif
Boeing Source: Missing Plane in Pakistan
March 17, 2014
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http://www.lignet.com/getfile/c52f3ce0-ca65-4a48-ab1c-b93c46a723fc/malay.aspx?width=375&height=246


Malaysia’s Minister of Defense Hishammuddin Hussein and Director General of Civil Aviation Department Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, right, at a press conference. (Getty Images)




The Malaysian government reportedly is investigating the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 avoided radar detection and landed in Pakistan near the Afghanistan border inside Taliban-controlled territory, according to the UK Independent . . . investigators confiscated a homemade flight simulator from the pilot’s home to see if it reveals any useful information . . . the Malaysian foreign minister told reporters that Malaysia asked several Asian countries for assistance in its investigation, including Pakistan . . . Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country but promised to work with the Malaysian government in its search for the missing plane . . . a LIGNET analyst received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan . . . Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel . . . a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country . . . U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence.


Read more: http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-?ns_mail_uid=38832797&ns_mail_job=1560482_03172014&promo_code=16D22-1#ixzz2wL5VXkJ3
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[mick silver]

it funny how they can see a bottle rocket go up an pop and yet they could not see the plane with radar on all the navy ships over there

[midnight rambler]

The talking heads over on the Commie Nooz Nyetwork are all giddy, they have a reason for being now. lol They've even covered alien abduction in this case. It's MH370 24/7 now. They're talking about everything they can pull out their asses.

[Cebu_4_2]

The talking heads over on the Commie Nooz Nyetwork are all giddy, they have a reason for being now. lol They've even covered alien abduction in this case. It's MH370 24/7 now. They're talking about everything they can pull out their asses.

ALL A FUCKING DISTRACTION Hello Crimea?

[Horn]

http://www.lignet.com/App_Themes/BHG/Images/dotGray.gif




Malaysia’s Minister of Defense Hishammuddin Hussein and Director General of Civil Aviation Department Azharuddin Abdul Rahman, right, at a press conference. (Getty Images)



The Malaysian government reportedly is investigating the possibility that missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 avoided radar detection and landed in Pakistan near the Afghanistan border inside Taliban-controlled territory, according to the UK Independent . . . investigators confiscated a homemade flight simulator from the pilot’s home to see if it reveals any useful information . . . the Malaysian foreign minister told reporters that Malaysia asked several Asian countries for assistance in its investigation, including Pakistan . . . Pakistan dismissed the idea that a Boeing 777 could land undetected inside the country but promised to work with the Malaysian government in its search for the missing plane . . . a LIGNET analyst received information from a source at Boeing that the company believes the plane did land in Pakistan . . . Israel is taking the possibility of a terrorist attack seriously by mobilizing air defenses and scrutinizing approaching civilian aircraft, according to the Times of Israel . . . a Boeing 777 requires a lengthy, 7,500-foot runway, and Pakistan has many of them, meaning Flight 370 could conceivably be hidden in a hangar inside the country . . . U.S. surveillance of the area may be able to shed light on the theory through satellite imagery or signals intelligence.


Read more: http://www.lignet.com/InBriefs/Malaysia-Hunts-for-Missing-Jet-in-Pakistan-Israel-?ns_mail_uid=38832797&ns_mail_job=1560482_03172014&promo_code=16D22-1#ixzz2wL5VXkJ3
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Diego Garcia Island was obviously mistaken as being part of sovereign Pakistan...like Crimea in Ukraine.

[midnight rambler]

Interesting take on the Freescale engineers and what they were working on -

http://voiceofrussia.com/us/2014_03_18/Stealth-Technology-Seizure-Behind-MH370-Disappearance-5715/

[Horn]

Interesting take on the Freescale engineers and what they were working on -

http://voiceofrussia.com/us/2014_03_18/Stealth-Technology-Seizure-Behind-MH370-Disappearance-5715/

Russians need it for their latest Suckhoi?

[Neuro]

Flight MH370 and the CIA’s secret interrogation base at U-Tapao Thailand (EXCLUSIVE)



Malaysian Airlines MH370 A dirty Secret and Conspiracy facts.


Flight MH370 did it land at a secret CIA Base at U-Tapao, Thailand? the lies of the US Governments and cover up.

Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished when its flight transponder was manually turned of at 1.30am in the early hours of Saturday the 8th of April north of Thailand in aviation no mans land between Malaysia, Vietnam and Thailand.

I will not claim I have all the answers but I will put forward a likely scenario which has been very clear to me from day one due to my location, local knowledge and investigative nature following the planes disappearance and clocking up over 70 hours of research following the hunt for the missing plane and seeing through the Tsunami of Disinformation which was all released from US sources.

My theory is this and its the most plausible one on the table right now.

I believe that flight MH737 had its identity switched with a USAF Cargo plane and simply landed one hour later at the nearby CIA Secret Interrogation facility at U-Tapao Airport Thailand between Pattaya and the Cambodian border. American forces built U-Tapao during the Vietnam War era for bombing raids by B-52’s. Although it is classed as a International airport due to its long runway the reality is very different with all sorts of secret US missions including NASA high altitude research station and suspect Terrorists arriving for interrogation .It has also been accused by the Thai Opposition as a cover for spying into Neighboring countries through it secretive NASA High altitude Weather program.

It is said that U-Tapao handles 30 USAF Flights a month mostly military planes arriving at night from places such as Diego Garcia the US base in the Indian Ocean. These planes regulary land late at night in a then deserted Airport. The last domestic flight by Bangkok airways Departs at 5.20pm after that becomes a very dark and secretive US operation.

U-Tapao does get the odd Russian charter flight occasionally in similar livery to MAS colors so a plane landing at night would get little attention from the skeleton crew of local Thai maintenance workers and fishermen who fish just off the runway. It’s interesting to note that U-Tapao has a runway straight off the ocean directly opposite 60-90mins to the north of the planes last confirmed location.

The passage below is from the New York Times article about secret US activities at this base a passage of which you can red below.

One such place in Thailand is Utapao Air Base, 90 miles south of Bangkok. During the Vietnam War, Utapao was humming 24 hours a day as a base for B-52′s carrying out bombing raids over North Vietnam. Despite Thailand’s studied neutrality on the war in Iraq — one Thai foreign affairs official said during the war that the country had no position — Mr. Thaksin allowed Utapao to be used by American warplanes flying into combat in Iraq, as he had earlier, during the war in Afghanistan.

Utapao is also probably where Qaeda operatives have been interrogated, retired American intelligence officials said, explaining that the base had facilities for sophisticated interrogations.

Last year, according to other American officials, at least two senior Qaeda operatives were brought here for interrogation — Abu Zubaydah, thought to have been Al Qaeda’s operations chief, and Ramzi bin al- Shibh, a planner of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

Both men were captured last year in Pakistan, and they may have been brought to Thailand as part of a broader C.I.A. program to take captives to ”undisclosed locations.” They have since been moved. It is not known how many other Qaeda suspects have been interrogated here, or if any are still here. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/08/world/threats-responses-southeast-asia-thailand-tiptoes-step-with-american-antiterror.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/r2/?url=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/08/world/threats-responses-southeast-asia-thailand-tiptoes-step-with-american-antiterror.html)


Now the question is why would the US want to hijack a civilian Airplane and land at its CIA Interrogation facility?.

The clue maybe lie in the twenty ethnic Chinese passengers belonging to the defense firm Freescale which has links to both China and the US and the manufacturer of micro processors and chips that power and control the Military might of China and Russians war capabilities. Especially drones and Missiles systems with war likely with Russia and increased tensions with China this theory should hold some weight.

A late night chat with Mike a Senior US Military official shed a light on the importance of such technology. I think Mike has got it wrong its not China that has the plane I think it’s Mikes own Bosses. Here’s the link an interesting insight into a possible motive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PVmwKJMJgM&feature=player_embedded

At this point we really do not know if Freescale has just lost its entire R&D department and that they are currently with the CIA interrogation team at U-Tapao divulging Chinese and possibly Russian Military secrets. With the build up of 80,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and the planned US war games of Operation Rapid Trident in Ukraine this summer you have to wonder if this is not a guise for war with Russia/China.. I cannot help but think at least twenty of the missing passengers are with the CIA at U-Tapao divulging the state secrets of China and Russia. Desperate times lead to desperate measures?

So how can a plane vanish from radar and fly for one hour through Thai Airspace before landing at the US’s secret facility at U-Tapao?
The answer is very simple in reality. When the plane left Malaysian Air traffic control the transponder was turned off and the plane flew into an area where it was joined by a USAF Stealth plane of some description, which at the time was broadcasting a USAF cargo plane call sign. The two identities were switched with the help of at least one nearby USAF E-3 airborne warning and control system (AWACS) plane which jammed local radar and created the smoke screen for the switch of the two planes identities. To be possible there have been unconfirmed reports of two such planes flying in the area at the time.

This stealth plane then flew west over Malaysian Airlines occasionally transmitting a MH370 signal to confuse local Malaysian Military and air traffic control and radar facilities on to the Malacca straights and went back to stealth for its onward flight to the USAF base at Diego Garcia.

I have no doubts that either by high tech means Fly-by-wire ( FBW) or low-tech manual hijacking or even simply bribing one or two of the Pilots the CIA have the ability to hijack the plane and land it undected.


Once flight MH370 had switched identities to a USAF Cargo plane it flew unnoticed into Thai airspace and landed one hour later at U-Tapao and was quickly put into one of the many hangers. I doubt the plane will be still there.

Its interesting to note that a report in the respected China Times newspaper reported a source from the US Embassy Beijing that the US base at U-Tapao had picked up a SOS mayday call from the MH370 at 2.43am requesting immediate landing permission as it was in major difficulties. Since then this report has been cleansed from Global Media reports and the US have failed to confirm or deny the report. I believe this was a leak of a prepared report that was to cover themselves in the possibility of a crash on arrival at U-Tapao.

U-Tapao has long been know by locals for the secretive goings on of US Military personnel the following is from a local internet forum which describes a chance meeting with such characters with forum member BobR

“I live 2 miles from Utapao and have run into people in military green who act like they do not want to be seen. Twice in the nearby 7-11 they acted strange, refused to make eye contact and appeared unhappy to be recognized as Americans, they jumped into a VW Van with Bangkok plates and others and left quickly. Yes, something is going on there and has been for a while.

It’s difficult to describe this, but I left those encounters with the feeling something strange was happening.

No seriously, I don’t make stuff up like this; their behavior was really bizarre. When I run into the American Navy people here during the joint Thai/American exercises they usually are very friendly, outgoing and surprised to see an American in a Thai teachers uniform and want information on the best places to go and how to get there. I’ve even driven some of them to Pattaya over the past few years. But these guys were completely different. I probably should not have mentioned this at all, but the behavior was so strange It’s difficult to forget.
http://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asia-news/108861-thailand-us-denies-secret-plans-u-2.html

Which leads me onto the US manufactured Tsunami of Disinformation designed to distract and mislead investigators searching for the planes where a bouts.

I followed the search very loosely and so far have logged 75 hours. The Initial search was based on the flight path of MH370 heading over the gulf to Vietnam. An early report the plane had turned sharp to the west over the Malacca Straights was investigated with little success. The trail was dead. Then an eyewitness on an Oilrig off the east coast of Vietnams Ngoc Hien of Ca Mau Island reported of a flaming plane in the sky. A New Zealand oil worker sent an email claiming he saw the jet and the same time heading north resulted in search efforts been directed there. Closer examination of the email by Vietnamese Officials showed skepticism for the Identity of the Oil worker and for the report, which was suspiciously filed 3 days after the plane, went missing.
The next morning the worlds media with ABC and the BBC leading were reporting it was a fact due to ABC news running a story of a telephone conversation interview with the Oil workers Canadian Boss who under closer examination looks to also to be another fake identity. The oilrig has links to Chevron amongst other companies.

Just when the news about the fake identities was getting uncovered US officials broke the news that the plane had in fact travelled a further 4-5 hours due to data collected from the Planes Rolls Royce engines. The search then switched from the planes original flight path back to the west and the huge area that is the Indian Ocean.

Rolls Royce have now released a statement saying the US Governments is lying and that there was no further data from the engines. The whole Indian/Ocean/Andaman search was based on this false information from Unnamed US Officials.

There was further disinformation with unconfirmed reports of a crashed plane on China controlled Coco Island, US satellite data and even contact off the west coast of Australia.

Now we here stories of Tajikistan and west China. Hints at Iran’s possible need for human shields and the bullshit idea of a stripped out 777 that has the ability to fly a nuclear bomb to the US mainland. India has also came out and said it would be impossible for this plane to fly over its Air space unnoticed.

Since then we hear the US making claims of Iranian Terror suspects who were travelling on false passports but turned out to be skinny Teenage refugees. The similarity to the Dagestan Boston Marathon Bombers who were murdered by US police is quite striking.

I would suggest the search for the missing planes rewinds back to the moment the planes transmitter was turned off and look at the whole mystery again and pressurize Thai and US military to release details of USAF flights to and from U-Tapao from the 8-10th

If the US find the plane badly broken up with no Passengers or working Black box in the general area of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean it will be of no surprise to this researcher.

The above story might be difficult to believe for most people but it would explain passengers SIM cards working and every other piece of misinformation, which has been fed to the world about what really happened and to cover the truth and US involvement.

So I ask you before we roll out the Bombers and blame Iran please rewind to U-Tapao and start asking questions. Its is clear the US has misled the search for the plane and my theory would explain why. Questions need to be asked and made public regarding the identity of the 5 passengers who checked in and didn’t make the flight.

The author of this article has been the victim of online censuring for the last week where his Facebook, YouTube and email accounts have been censured that restricted him reaching out to with info about U-Tapao which has only galvanized his belief that something very similar to what has been explained above actually took place.

The Facebook page Flight MH370 the dirty hidden truth & conspiracy facts registered 115 like on its first day then after heavy censorship from unknown forces six then next day.

https://www.facebook.com/MH370truth?fref=ts

Jim Stone and Alex Jones please get in touch when you read this as I have sent numerous emails without reply. I assume our mail is censured.

Peace x

KK

FTM 2014

The author can be contacted on secure chat/email at mh370truth@unseen.is





http://beforeitsnews.com/war-and-conflict/2014/03/flight-mh370-and-the-cias-secret-interrogation-base-at-u-tapao-thailand-exclusive-2451142.html?currentSplittedPage=0
This theory does seem likely IMO... However, one caveat, why the need to try to extract Chinese military technology information from employees of an American Rothschild owned company? Where the employees previously employed in a different Chinese company and had signed some hush clause, and didn't talk about it to their new employer?

[Serpo]

This one makes sense.....


A Startlingly Simple Theory About the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet



By Chris Goodfellow
03.18.14
6:30 AM


http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/8442993762_cee2d98ac2_b-660x440.jpg (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/8442993762_cee2d98ac2_b.jpg)Image: Pedro Moura Pinheiro/Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pedromourapinheiro/8442993762/)

There has been a lot of speculation about Malaysia Airlines Flight 370. Terrorism, hijacking, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN; it’s almost disturbing. I tend to look for a simpler explanation, and I find it with the 13,000-foot runway at Pulau Langkawi.
We know the story of MH370: A loaded Boeing 777 departs at midnight from Kuala Lampur, headed to Beijing. A hot night. A heavy aircraft. About an hour out, across the gulf toward Vietnam, the plane goes dark, meaning the transponder and secondary radar tracking go off. Two days later we hear reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar, meaning the plane is tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the Strait of Malacca.
Read more:
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/planehijack.jpg (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/malaysian-airlines-flight-370-possibly-hijacked/) How the Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet Could Have Been Hijacked (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/malaysian-airlines-flight-370-possibly-hijacked/)
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/findingplane.jpg (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/flight-370-search/) Inside the Nearly Impossible Task of Finding an Airplane in the Ocean (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/flight-370-search/)
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/planebw.jpg (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/malaysia-air/) How It's Possible to Lose an Airplane in 2014 (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/malaysia-air/)

The left turn is the key here. Zaharie Ahmad Shah1 was a very experienced senior captain with 18,000 hours of flight time. We old pilots were drilled to know what is the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us, and airports ahead of us. They’re always in our head. Always. If something happens, you don’t want to be thinking about what are you going to do–you already know what you are going to do. When I saw that left turn with a direct heading, I instinctively knew he was heading for an airport. He was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000-foot airstrip with an approach over water and no obstacles. The captain did not turn back to Kuala Lampur because he knew he had 8,000-foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier toward Langkawi, which also was closer.
Take a look at this airport on Google Earth (https://www.google.com/maps/@6.3283682,99.7329338,10953m/data=%213m1%211e3). The pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make an immediate turn to the closest, safest airport.
The loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire.
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and searched for airports in proximity to the track toward the southwest.
For me, the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense in a fire. And there most likely was an electrical fire. In the case of a fire, the first response is to pull the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one. If they pulled the busses, the plane would go silent. It probably was a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, navigate, and lastly, communicate is the mantra in such situations.
There are two types of fires. An electrical fire might not be as fast and furious, and there may or may not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility, given the timeline, that there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires, it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes, this happens with underinflated tires. Remember: Heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long-run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120) that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. Once going, a tire fire would produce horrific, incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks, but this is a no-no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter, but this will last only a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one in my flight bag, and I still carry one in my briefcase when I fly.)
What I think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continued on the heading, probably on George (autopilot), until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. You will find it along that route–looking elsewhere is pointless.
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/lang-660.jpg (http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/autopia/2014/03/lang-660.jpg)
Ongoing speculation of a hijacking and/or murder-suicide and that there was a flight engineer on board does not sway me in favor of foul play until I am presented with evidence of foul play.
We know there was a last voice transmission that, from a pilot’s point of view, was entirely normal. “Good night” is customary on a hand-off to a new air traffic control. The “good night” also strongly indicates to me that all was OK on the flight deck. Remember, there are many ways a pilot can communicate distress. A hijack code or even transponder code off by one digit would alert ATC that something was wrong. Every good pilot knows keying an SOS over the mike always is an option. Even three short clicks would raise an alert. So I conclude that at the point of voice transmission all was perceived as well on the flight deck by the pilots.
But things could have been in the process of going wrong, unknown to the pilots.
Evidently the ACARS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Communications_Addressing_and_Reporting_S ystem) went inoperative some time before. Disabling the ACARS is not easy, as pointed out. This leads me to believe more in an electrical problem or an electrical fire than a manual shutdown. I suggest the pilots probably were not aware ACARS was not transmitting.
As for the reports of altitude fluctuations, given that this was not transponder-generated data but primary radar at maybe 200 miles, the azimuth readings can be affected by a lot of atmospherics and I would not have high confidence in this being totally reliable. But let’s accept for a minute that the pilot may have ascended to 45,000 feet in a last-ditch effort to quell a fire by seeking the lowest level of oxygen. That is an acceptable scenario. At 45,000 feet, it would be tough to keep this aircraft stable, as the flight envelope is very narrow and loss of control in a stall is entirely possible. The aircraft is at the top of its operational ceiling. The reported rapid rates of descent could have been generated by a stall, followed by a recovery at 25,000 feet. The pilot may even have been diving to extinguish flames.
But going to 45,000 feet in a hijack scenario doesn’t make any good sense to me.
Regarding the additional flying time: On departing Kuala Lampur, Flight 370 would have had fuel for Beijing and an alternate destination, probably Shanghai, plus 45 minutes–say, 8 hours. Maybe more. He burned 20-25 percent in the first hour with takeoff and the climb to cruise. So when the turn was made toward Langkawi, he would have had six hours or more hours worth of fuel. This correlates nicely with the Inmarsat data pings being received (http://www.inmarsat.com/news/inmarsat-statement-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/) until fuel exhaustion.
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible.
The now known continued flight until time to fuel exhaustion only confirms to me that the crew was incapacitated and the flight continued on deep into the south Indian ocean.
There is no point speculating further until more evidence surfaces, but in the meantime it serves no purpose to malign pilots who well may have been in a struggle to save this aircraft from a fire or other serious mechanical issue. Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. There is no doubt in my mind. That’s the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijacking would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It probably would have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided where they were taking it.
Surprisingly, none of the reporters, officials, or other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot’s viewpoint: If something went wrong, where would he go? Thanks to Google Earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times.
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing: Get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well-remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed, I believe, in Columbus, Ohio in the 1980s. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports. He didn’t instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually, but lost 30-odd souls. The 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. They simply ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what? The transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.
Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. Two plus two equals four. For me, that is the simple explanation why it turned and headed in that direction. Smart pilot. He just didn’t have the time.
Chris Goodfellow has 20 years experience as a Canadian Class-1 instrumented-rated pilot for multi-engine planes. His theory on what happened to MH370 first appeared on Google+ (https://plus.google.com/106271056358366282907/posts/GoeVjHJaGBz). We’ve copyedited it with his permission.
1CORRECTION 9:40 a.m. Eastern 03/18/14: An editing error introduced a typo in Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah’s name.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/03/mh370-electrical-fire/

[Serpo]

Nigeria Airways Flight 2120 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nigeria Airways Flight 2120
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C-GMXQ, the aircraft involved in the accident, is seen here at Faro Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faro_Airport) in 1989.



Accident summary


Date
11 July 1991


Summary
Under-inflated tire which overheated, shortly-after-takeoff fire


Site
King Abdulaziz International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Abdulaziz_International_Airport), Jeddah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeddah), Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png21°40′12.83″N 39°09′2.08″E (http://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120&params=21_40_12.83_N_39_09_2.08_E_type:event)Coord inates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographic_coordinate_system): http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png21°40′12.83″N 39°09′2.08″E (http://tools.wmflabs.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120&params=21_40_12.83_N_39_09_2.08_E_type:event)


Passengers
247


Crew
14


Fatalities
261 (all)


Survivors
0


Aircraft type
Douglas DC-8-61 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8-61)


Operator
Nationair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolisair) on behalf of Nigeria Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways)


Registration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_registration)
C-GMXQ


Flight origin
King Abdulaziz International Airport, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia


Destination
Sadiq Abubakar III International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Abubakar_III_International_Airport), Sokoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokoto), Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria)


Nigeria Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways) Flight 2120 was a chartered passenger flight from Jeddah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeddah), Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia), to Sokoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokoto), Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria). On 11 July 1991, the aircraft serving this flight, a Douglas DC-8 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8) operated by Nationair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolisair), crashed shortly after takeoff from King Abdulaziz International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Abdulaziz_International_Airport), killing all 247 passengers and 14 crew members on board.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1)[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-FI1992-2)
Contents


1 Aircraft and crew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#Aircraft_and_crew)
2 Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#Accident)
3 Cause (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#Cause)
4 Aftermath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#Aftermath)
5 Dramatization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#Dramatization)
6 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#See_also)
7 References (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#References)
8 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#External_links)


Aircraft and crew The aircraft involved in the accident was a 1968-built Douglas DC-8-61 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_DC-8-61), registration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_registration) C-GMXQ, owned by the Canadian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada) company Nolisair (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolisair), and usually operated by Nationair; at the time of the accident, it was being wet-leased (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wet-lease) to Nigeria Airways (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways), which in turn sub-leased it to another company to transport Nigerian pilgrims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilgrim) to and from Mecca (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecca).[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-FI1991-3) William Allan, the 47-year-old pilot in command (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_in_command), had logged 10700 flight hours and 1000 hours in type, while Kent Davidge, the 36-year-old first officer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Officer_%28civil_aviation%29), had logged 8000 flight hours, of which 550 hours were in type, and Victor Fehr, the 46-year-old flight engineer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_engineer), had logged 7500 flight hours, of which 1000 hours were in type.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4)[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-IMDB-5)[6] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-Nationair_Canada_History_On_The_Web-6) The DC-8 was the primary aircraft type used by the airline.[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-7)
Accident The aircraft departed King Abdulaziz International Airport bound for Sadiq Abubakar III International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sadiq_Abubakar_III_International_Airport) in Sokoto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokoto), but problems were reported shortly after takeoff (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeoff).[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-FI1991-3) The crew attempted to return to the airport for an emergency landing, but the aircraft caught fire, experienced an inflight break-up, and crashed 2,875 metres (9,432 ft) short of runway 34L. When the aircraft was about 18 kilometres (11 mi) from the airport and at an altitude of 671 metres (2,201 ft), a number of bodies fell from it, indicating that the fire by that time had consumed, at least partially, the cabin floor.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4) All 261 occupants on board—including 247 passengers—perished in the accident.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1)[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-FI1991-3)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-Le_Monde-8)
As of February 2012, the accident remains the deadliest one involving a Douglas DC-8, as well as the second deadliest one taking place on Saudi Arabian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia) soil,[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1) after Saudia Flight 163 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudia_Flight_163).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-9)
Cause Prior to departure, the lead mechanic had noticed that the "#2 and #4 tyre pressures were below the minimum for flight dispatch"[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1) and attempted to inflate them, but no nitrogen gas was readily available, and the project manager, unwilling to accept a delay, disregarded the problem and readied the aircraft for dispatch.[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4) As the aircraft was taxiing, the transfer of the load from the under-inflated #2 tyre to the #1 tyre on the same portside axle resulted "in overdeflection, over-heating and structural weakening of the #1 tyre."[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1) "The #1 tyre failed very early on the take-off roll", followed almost immediately by the #2.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1) The latter stopped rotating "for reasons not established", and the subsequent friction of the wheel assembly with the runway generated sufficient heat to start a self-sustaining fire.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1) The crew realized there was a problem, but not the nature or seriousness of it. The aircraft was not equipped with fire or heat sensors in the wheel assembly. The first officer was recorded remarking, "We gotta flat tire, you figure?"[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4) According to Canadian Transportation Safety Board members interviewed for an episode of Mayday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday_%28TV_series%29) about the accident, standard procedures regarding tire failure during the takeoff roll on the DC-8 did not then (and still did not as of the episode's season 11 airing) include rejecting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rejected_takeoff) takeoff for tire or wheel failures,[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-Mayday-10) so the captain proceeded with the takeoff.
When the landing gear was retracted, "burning rubber was brought into close proximity with hydraulic and electrical system components", causing the failure of both hydraulic and pressurisation systems that led to structural damage and loss of control of the aircraft.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-FI1992-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4) The National Transportation Safety Board (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Transportation_Safety_Board) later concluded, "had the crew left the landing gear extended, the accident might have been averted".[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4) Fuel, "probably introduced as a result of 'burn through' of the centre fuel tank",[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ASN-1) intensified the fire, which eventually consumed the cabin floor. People began falling out of the airplane when their seat harnesses burned through. "Despite the considerable destruction to the airframe, the aircraft appeared to have been controllable until just before the crash."[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-ap_sep93-4)
Aftermath A memorial to the incident is located at the head office of Greater Toronto Airports Authority (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Toronto_Airports_Authority) on the grounds of Toronto Pearson International Airport (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Pearson_International_Airport) in Mississauga, Ontario (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississauga,_Ontario). The construction of the memorial, which includes a plaque and a cherry tree, was paid for by a group of Nationair flight attendants shortly after the accident.[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-Anniversary_of_Nationair_plane_crash_passes_quietl y-11)
The aircrash, combined with Nationair's poor reputation for on-time service and mechanical problems, led to serious problems with public image and reliability among tour operators. These difficulties were compounded when Nationair locked out its unionized flight attendants and proceeded to replace them with strikebreakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strikebreaker) on November 19, 1991.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-cbc-12) The lockout (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockout_%28industry%29) lasted 15 months and by the time it ended in early 1993, Nationair found itself in severe financial trouble. At the time, Nationair owed the Canadian government millions of dollars in unpaid landing fees. Creditors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creditors) began seizing airplanes and demanded cash up front for services. The company was declared bankrupt in May 1993, owing CDN$75 million.[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-cbc-12)
In 1997, Robert Obadia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Obadia), owner of Nationair and its parent company Nolisair, pled guilty to eight counts of fraud in relation to the company's activities.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-13)
Dramatization An episode of Mayday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayday_%28TV_series%29) entitled "Under Pressure" covered this accident.[10] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120#cite_note-Mayday-10)
See also

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/79/Flag_of_Nigeria.svg/64px-Flag_of_Nigeria.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Nigeria.svg)
Nigeria portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Nigeria)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia.svg/64px-Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Saudi_Arabia.svg)
Saudi Arabia portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Saudi_Arabia)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Flag_of_Canada.svg/64px-Flag_of_Canada.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_Canada.svg)
Canada portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Canada)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Aviacionavion.png/56px-Aviacionavion.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aviacionavion.png)
Aviation portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Aviation)


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Alcatel_9109HA.png/25px-Alcatel_9109HA.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alcatel_9109HA.png)
1990s portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:1990s)





Swissair Flight 306 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swissair_Flight_306) – A 1963 crash caused by an inflight fire triggered by a landing gear failure on takeoff
Air France Flight 4590 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_4590) – A 2000 crash caused by an inflight fire triggered by tire burst on takeoff
Air safety (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_safety)
List of notable accidents and incidents on commercial aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_notable_accidents_and_incidents_on_commerc ial_aircraft)
List of accidents and incidents on commercial airliners grouped by location (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_incidents_on_commercial_airl iners_grouped_by_location)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria_Airways_Flight_2120

[Glass]

phones? We sorted out the phone earlier in the thread didn't we? I'm struggling to keep track of all the theories.

[Camp Bassfish]

The plane is going to be used in an attack. So they captured it, landed it. Killed all the passengers. Hid the plane. Now they are going to refuel it with tens of thousands of gallons of aviation fuel. They are going to taxi it down a run way and they are going to take off in it and fly it into something or other?



But....but flying planes into stuff doesn't work without thermite and Silverstien? (jk)

[mick silver]

some were on this thread i posted a pic of a cartoon spaceship i knew that would be next with the news companys ... post 102

[Amanda]

Here's the latest from Christopher Bollyn

http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14613

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

March 19, 2014

"I BELIEVE IRAN WAS INVOLVED"

"What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved. They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”
- Issac Yeffet, former El Al security expert to Times of Israel, March 17, 2014

World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
- Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014


http://www.bollyn.com/public/Medusa_Touch_book_cover.jpg

It is not Iranians, but Israeli agents and Zionist propagandists like Rupert Murdoch who are the real authors of false-flag terror plots involving airliners being flown into hi-rise towers. Arnon Milchan, for example, the Israeli Mossad operative-cum-film producer, made the Medusa Touch film in 1978, in which a 9-11 type attack is the climax of the film. Is there a nefarious plot in the works to use the missing Malaysian plane for such an attack?

http://www.bollyn.com/public/Making_of_Medusa_Touch.jpg

The making of Milchan's Medusa Touch involved constructing models to simulate an aircraft striking a skyscraper.


With no trace of Beijing-bound flight MH370 after nine days, one of several theories that has emerged is that the plane was hijacked to Iran, where it could be turned into a massive and devastating weapon. Two Iranian passengers are known to have been aboard, travelling on false passports. While Israeli officials did not confirm any suspicions regarding Iran, experts said it is not a stretch to point the finger at Israel's Middle East nemesis.

“My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved ,” Issac Yeffet, formerly a global security expert for Israel’s national airline El Al told today’s Times of Israel. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”
- "Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security" by Paul Alster, March 17, 2014

The disappearance of the Malaysian Boeing 777 looks like something from a Batman movie plot - or a bad Israeli screenplay by Arnon Milchan and his business partner Rupert Murdoch. The missing plane is bound to turn up sooner or later. The hijackers - or Israeli computer hackers - didn't pull a fast turn to the west and make professional moves with the plane in order to simply drop it in the Indian Ocean. Or maybe they did. In any case, all of the events going on with the missing Boeing and the Ukrainian crisis look like the making of a perfect storm - or perhaps another false-flag terror spectacle like 9-11.

An Israel-based reporter named Paul Alster has an article on Murdoch's FoxNews.com giving an Israeli prognosis about the missing Malaysian Boeing 777. The article is important because it suggests that the Israelis may be setting the stage for a false-flag event using the missing plane as a flying bomb.

The article indicates that the Israelis may be projecting a planned terror scenario and are planting the idea in the public mind. The following article has comments from an Israeli El Al "security expert" that are very similar to comments tweeted by Rupert Murdoch the day before. Isn't it interesting that Rupert Murdoch and an Israeli airline security expert imagine the [I]exact same fate for the missing Boeing?


MURDOCH'S COMMENTS ON MISSING PLANE

Obama should call Chinese President following today's incident and say "we both have the problem of Muslim terrorism. Can we work together?"
3:50 AM - 2 Mar 2014

777 crash confirms jihadists turning to make trouble for China. Chance for US to make common cause, befriend China while Russia bullies.
4:15 PM - 9 Mar 2014

World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
2:23 AM - 15 Mar 2014

777. Still think this a reminder that US and China should be working more closely on Muslim extremist threat.
2:26 AM - 15 Mar 2014

The Israeli comments in the article imagine a terror scenario like that described by Murdoch. It is important to note that the Israeli El Al "security expert" comes from the exact same groups (ICTS, El Al security, Menachem Atzmon, and assorted Mossadniks), who projected the ideation of 9-11 (Murdoch’s "Lone Gunmen" pilot episode in 2000 and Arnon Milchan's Medusa Touch film in 1978) and who were involved in the false-flag attacks of 9-11. This is exactly what the evidence I present in my Solving 9-11 books reveals about Israeli involvement in the false-flag terrorism of 9-11. The fact that the same people are now projecting the ideation that the Boeing 777 has been hijacked (perhaps by computer like in the "Lone Gunmen") and will be used in a terror attack needs to be taken very seriously.

The game is on. We need to be aware of the very real possibility that the plane may resurface, used as a weapon of terror. If so, the attack would probably be designed to be a provocation that can be used to initiate aggression against a targeted foe – such as the Islamic Republic of Iran. If enough people understand the evil game of deception the Israelis are up to, they won't be able to pull off another major terror spectacle - and get away with it.

Here is the article by Paul Alster from FoxNews.com

Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security
By Paul Alster, March 17, 2014

HAIFA, Israel – Top Israeli defense officials have hurriedly put in place a confidential list of secret security measures in light of the baffling disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jumbo jet that experts fear could become a weapon of mass destruction if in the wrong hands.

With no trace of Beijing-bound flight MH370 after nine days, one of several theories that has emerged is that the plane was hijacked to Iran, where it could be turned into a massive and devastating weapon. Two Iranian passengers are known to have been aboard, travelling on false passports. While Israeli officials did not confirm any suspicions regarding Iran, experts said it is not a stretch to point the finger at Israel's Middle East nemesis.

“My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved [in the disappearance of the plane],” Issac Yeffet, formerly a global security expert for Israel’s national airline El Al told today’s Times of Israel. “They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”
As the search continued to widen fruitlessly, Israeli security officials and aviation authorities, who have long feared a 9/11-style attack, conducted a security assessment and rapidly implemented a series of security measures. The only one reported publicly is that Israeli air traffic controllers will demand that incoming aircraft identify themselves earlier than has so far been the case, sources told FoxNews.com.

IDF officials aim to ensure an unthinkable repetition of the Twin Towers attack doesn’t happen in Tel Aviv, where the skyscraping triple Azrieli Towers rise high above the city. There's good reason to believe the three-tower commercial-residential-office complex is a coveted target of the Islamic Republic.

In a recent video simulation broadcast by Iranian state TV after the initial agreement with the international community on a reduction in Iran’s nuclear capability was signed, the Azrieli Towers were shown being blown up by Iranian missiles.

The Israeli media has speculated that if Iran played a part in the disappearance of the plane, it is all but certain the regime would not have been directly involved. It would likely instead act through a third party, using one of the many international terror organizations Iran sponsors and maintaining plausible deniability. Tehran would not want to jeopardize the easing of international sanctions and other gains made recently at the Geneva negotiations with the US and the P5+1.

The recent interception of a boatload of Iranian M-302 missiles headed for Israel’s enemies in the Gaza Strip or Sinai Peninsula has given rise to further speculation in Israel that Iran might be considering all manner of means to strike back after such an embarrassing and damaging loss.

“This would never have happened on an Israeli plane,” Yeffet said. “An El Al aircraft was hijacked for the first and last time in 1968. Since then, there has not been a single flight where security did not check every single name.”

Yeffet believes that the time consuming and often-criticized profiling of every passenger at Israeli airports would have picked up the Iranians travelling on false papers.

Most flights to and from Israel require check-in three hours before the advertised flight time and passengers are often faced with many questions (some personal) that some people take exception to. The fact remains though that the Israeli method seems to work and has, thus far, proved watertight.

“More security costs more money,” Menachem Yarden, a retired El Al pilot with more than 37 years experience told Fox News.com. “Few companies these days are making money because of increased costs and relatively low ticket prices. Especially in the U.S., spending more money on security and telling people to come 3 hours before the flight – even if their flight time is just one hour – it’s crazy. No-one would fly.”

Asked if air marshals - allegedly placed on every El Al plane - might have made a difference to flight MH370 if, as some believe, it has been hijacked, Yarden said, “As El Al pilots we didn’t know all the security measures [put in place]. Security is a separate matter [to piloting] and the fewer people that know about it, the more secure it is.”

Yarden said it is possible such a huge aircraft could have flown thousands of miles undetected.

“Yes. It is possible to fly as low as the pilot is able,” Yarden confirmed. “When you switch off the transponder no civil controller can see you. In 9/11 the pilots switched off the transponders and no one saw them. It is not like military radar which sends electromagnetic pulses that receives back the echo via antenna.”

“In this extraordinary case any theory might be the right theory,” Yarden concluded. “No one knows what’s happened.”

Sources:

"Ex-El Al expert: Iran likely involved in MH 370" by Debra Kamin, Times of Israel, March 16, 2014
www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-al-expert-iran-likely-involved-in-mh-370/ (http://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-el-al-expert-iran-likely-involved-in-mh-370/)

“Missing jet, Iranian threats, prompt Israel to tighten air security” by Paul Alster, FoxNews.com, March 17, 2014
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/17/missing-jet-iranian-threats-prompt-israel-to-tighten-air-security/ (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/17/missing-jet-iranian-threats-prompt-israel-to-tighten-air-security/)

- See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14613

[mick silver]

we really need a big war amanda , there are trying real hard to get it started

[Serpo]

Its all over the news in OZ that the plane has been found 3000ks from Perth ,in the water.

[Horn]

Its all over the news in OZ that the plane has been found 3000ks from Perth ,in the water.

Oh O.K. here's another one of those satalitte images that appear in less resolution than Google Earth software.

6137

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-possible-debris-from-missing-plane-spotted/

[Serpo]

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/03/20/d3a0ad0b-8e19-49c5-8d7b-91da4e360e97/thumbnail/620x350/ea5430080fa49aed2ac432ea92a55c95/australia-flight370-search-map.jpg

[PatColo]

can't fully trust this joowess; ditto with Webre; call it another theory...


March 15, 2014
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“World War III will be a guerrilla information war with no division between military and civilian participation.” Marshall McLuhan (1911-1980), Canadian thinker
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Leuren Moret: Flight 370 downing was U.S. Navy Energy weapons demo for Putin; Payback for Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal verdicts vs. Israel, US and UK

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4&feature=youtu.be)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4&amp;feature=youtu.be

VANCOUVER, BC – In an exclusive EcologyNews.com (http://www.ecologynews.com/) interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre, radiation and directed energy expert Leuren Moret, MA, PhD ABT, revealed that Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 of March 8, 2014 was, by the evidence, shot down by a newly unveiled U.S. Navy Laser Weapons System (LaWS).


According to Leuren Moret, the location of the downed Malaysia Flight 370 as first confirmed by an admiral of the Vietnamese armed forces was correct, while the U.S. and Malaysian media have published a continual stream of disinformation as a diversion to cover-up this military false flag operation by the U.S. Navy.


Motives for the false flag operation – Why?



In the course of her interview, Leuren Moret elaborated on the apparent motives for this false flag operation by the U.S. Navy, including:


1. Response to Putin & demonstration of LaWS Weapons system – Leuren Moret details why the March 8, 2014 U.S. Navy LaWS directed energy system attack was in response to an earlier public test of the Topol missile system by Vladimir Putin’s Russian armed forces, as part of a strategic dynamic unleashed by the confrontations around Crimea and the Ukraine. On March 6, 2014, two days before the attack on Flight 370, the U.S. Navy released a promotional video and major news release around its directed energy weapons LaWS system. Then two day later, on March 8, the U.S. Navy demonstrated its LaWS directed energy weapons system against Flight 370. The profile of available evidence as to how Fight 370 was downed fits the targeting profile of the LaWS directed energy weapons system.
WATCH ON YOU TUBE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUgWhUkkzr4&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px87SP01eKw
WATCH ON YOU TUBE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px87SP01eKw

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px87SP01eKw)

2. Payback for Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal verdicts against Israel, U.S. & U.K. – The interview details how the March 8, 2014 U.S. Navy attack against Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was payback for genocide war crimes verdicts in 2013, 2012, and 2011 against Israel, U.S. and U.K. by the Kuala Lumpur War Crime Tribunal, founded by the former Prime Minister of Malaysia, Tun Dr. Mahathir bin Mohamad. A wide corporate and political network of top decision-makers in Malaysia, including the President of Malaysia Airlines and the Prime Minister of Malaysia, funded the Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal.


According to Leuren Moret, there may have been other levels of motive connected to twenty employees of Freescale Semiconductor (http://www.freescale.com/)on Flight 370, headed for a conference in Beijing.


References
Leuren Moret
www.leurenmoret.info (http://www.leurenmoret.info/)
Navy will deploy its first directed energy weapon to the fleet; Laser Weapon System (March 7, 2014) (http://topinfopost.com/2014/03/07/navy-will-deploy-its-first-directed-energy-weapon-to-the-fleet-laser-weapon-system)
EcologyNews.com (http://ecologynews.com/)
www.ecologynews.com (http://www.ecologynews.com/)
Leuren Moret: Flight 370 downing was U.S. Navy Energy weapons demo for Putin; Payback for Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal verdicts vs. Israel, US and UK (http://exopolitics.blogs.com/peaceinspace/2014/03/leuren-moret-flight-370-downing-was-us-navy-energy-weapons-demo-for-putin-payback-for-kuala-lumpur-war-crimes-tribunal-ve.html)

[mick silver]

hell there was a report that it landed in my hay field out today . again the know when a cow farts an cant find a plane

[Serpo]

Malaysian woman claims to have seen missing MH370 in the water near Andaman Islands on day it disappeared

Latife Dalelah said she saw aircraft-shaped object on Kuala Lumpur flight
She told an air stewardess what she'd seen, but was told to get some sleep
A pilot said she would have been too high up to identify a plane in water
Aircraft and ships renew their search for MH370 in the Andaman Sea
Dalelah's sighting made five days before search expanded to its location


By Richard Shears (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Richard+Shears) and Ted Thornhill (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Ted+Thornhill) and Chris Paine (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Chris+Paine)
PUBLISHED: 10:19 GMT, 21 March 2014 | UPDATED: 16:35 GMT, 21 March 2014


As aircraft and ships continued to search for debris which might be that of the missing flight MH370 on Friday a Malaysian woman on a flight across the Indian Ocean claimed to have seen an aircraft in the water near the Andaman Islands on the day the jet disappeared.
The Kuala Lumpur wife was so convinced about what she saw at 2.30pm on March 8, several hours after MH370 vanished, that she filed an official report with police that very day - a full five days before the search for the plane was expanded to the area around the Andaman Islands.

News of her apparent sighting came as a blank was drawn after two days of searching in the Indian Ocean for two objects deemed by experts as possibly being from the missing plane.
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Shocked: Raja Dalelah Raja Latife said she was alarmed when she saw what looked like a plane in the water as she flew to Kuala Lumpur

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Location: The Andaman Islands are far north of the debris that's been sighted by a U.S satellite



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586013/Malaysian-woman-claims-seen-missing-MH370-water-near-Andaman-Islands-day-disappeared.html#ixzz2wcScBHFx

[Glass]

from the laser deployment article PatColo linked to


After successful testing last year, the Navy is preparing to deploy its first directed energy weapon to the fleet. When it puts to sea this summer, the afloat forward staging base ship USS Ponce will be equipped with the Navy’s Laser Weapon System (LaWS).

LaWS is a system based on a design developed by the Navy Research Lab and engineers at the Naval Sea Systems Command and Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren. Its purpose is not to vaporize enemy ships but to provide a low-cost way for the Navy to defend against drones, small boats, light aircraft, and missiles at ranges of about a mile

But the weapons are not powerful enough for destruction, blinding a target is possible. not going to bring down a jet liner.

[Cebu_4_2]

And they still fail to mention Diego Garcia...

I'm seeing a pattern here.

[midnight rambler]

And they still fail to mention Diego Garcia...

I'm seeing a pattern here.

Seriously, it's just absolutely inconceivable that could happen. The pentagram is BEYOND reproach. Perish the thought and get your mind out of the gutter. Do you hate America asshole?? /sarc

[Hatha Sunahara]

I am truly amazed that there is only one thread concerning this missing ariliner here at GSUS.


Hatha

[Cebu_4_2]

I am truly amazed that there is only one thread concerning this missing ariliner here at GSUS.


Hatha

That is unusual for this place lol

[JohnQPublic]

We are focused with laserlike pinpoint accuracy.

[Neuro]

We are focused with laserlike pinpoint accuracy.
You don't even have to start a new subforum! ;D

[Serpo]

Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html#ixzz2wimsjmp8

[Cebu_4_2]

Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html#ixzz2wimsjmp8




We nailed it! They are trying to ban cell phones on planes. Still no mention of that little island in the Indian Ocean...

[midnight rambler]

Missing jet WAS carrying highly flammable lithium batteries: CEO of Malaysian Airlines finally admits to dangerous cargo four days after DENYING it



Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2586308/Missing-jet-WAS-carrying-highly-flammable-lithium-batteries-CEO-Malaysian-Airlines-finally-admits-dangerous-cargo.html#ixzz2wimsjmp8




Yeah, let's blame this disappearance on something the rubes can believe in...lithium batteries, yeah, THAT'S IT!

[midnight rambler]

We nailed it! They are trying to ban cell phones on planes. Still no mention of that little island in the Indian Ocean...

You really do hate America, don't you?

[Dogman]

Reading this forum, most here do.

Tho the problem is that this country is still as freedoms goes is overall, is the best on/in the world.

No other country has the freedom of movement/speech than this country in the world.

Bar none!

Edit: If you hate it so much , then get the fuck out..and then see where you will be.

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JtYApCrUDYhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JtYApCrUDY

This is an interesting clip of the live radar when the plane went missing....

From around 3.20 notice one of the planes is moving at an impossible fast speed , just to the right of 370.

then at just after 6.20 this plane disappears ,then at 6.40 , 370 disappears


also this video


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNZtz-HVy6c

[midnight rambler]

Tho the problem is that this country is still as freedoms overall is the best on/in the world.

Bar none!

Dyed in the wool Marxist Communist, huh?

[Serpo]

Reading this forum, most here do.

Tho the problem is that this country is still as freedoms overall is the best on/in the world.

Bar none!


huh...........keep believing dogman



The US Security State: The Full Infographic

March 21, 2014







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http://www.silverdoctors.com/the-us-security-state-the-full-infographic/#more-40344

[Dogman]

Dyed in the wool Marxist Communist, huh?My last respond to you, no, let me repeat hell no.

Never even headed that way in any of my posts, Suka. Despite its faults this is my country, I fought and survived, others did not.

This is still the better country in the world, over all.Most other country's are more "socialist" than here at this time. And as U probably know "socialism" is one step away from Communism.

Hell Suka, you love anything russian when it comes to aircraft.

Nuff said to you.


Edit: Hell Serpo, yes we do have the most people behind bars, Totally not right, hell we have a bunch that have been elected and all they do is pass so called "laws" that make life harder and them richer to their backers, which in turn make the critters that pass the law richer.

Ever see a poor politician, leave office poor?

Do not do a dam thing worthwhile and state flunkys that do the same, so it is easeyer to "pass" laws that make the prison populations increase, because of nothing!

But I bet most of the population on this mud ball earth, are more conditioned.

Over all this country is still the most free, travel,speech what you want to do with your life. Com paired to others.

I was born in the very early 50's and have seen the changes this country has been headed, had the blessing/curse of being into other countrys. I have seen the "ugly american" which I suspect is still alive and well.

Nuff said, will not respond anymore, made my statement,

I am done!

[midnight rambler]

My last respond to you, no, let me repeat hell no.

Never even headed that way in any of my posts, Suka. Despite its faults this is my country, I fought and survived, others did not.

This is still the better country in the world, over all.Most other country's are more "socialist" than here at this time. And as U probably know "socialism" is one step away from Communism.

Hell Suka, you love anything russian when it comes to aircraft.

Nuff said to you.

Dogman, it's provable beyond any doubt that ALL 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto are NOW IN PLACE in the 'United States' and have been for quite some time.

And as Serpo alluded to, the police state NOW in effect in the good ol' US of A is FAR more advanced than anything the East Germans had with the Stasi. Get a clue.

[Dogman]

Some here do not have a clue of the past because they did not "Live" it.

Again nuff said, most of my life was during the so called "cold" war especially during the real fun times of duck and cover, I did that in my classes, bomb shelters were everywhere, I would wake up screaming during a thunderstorm, because I thought the nukes were dropped, but it was only thunder.

You and others are piss ant's and only think you know better, walk the walk, then you can talk.

Over and out, anything more is not worth my time.


Showing my age, this was a hit the 1# in my time.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJVewWbeBiY&feature=kp



People used to humm, the tune, all over the dam place when it came out.

[Horn]

We are all being Fascisticly dictated to, by megacorp. and zionist consorts.

With the occasional monarchy megacorp. available in Russia and other parts.

[Dogman]

We are all being Fascisticly dictated to, by megacorp. and zionist consorts.

With the occasional monarchy megacorp. available in Russia and other parts.If you can legally send me what your are taking/smoking...I will pay the freight.


Gots ta be world class!

[Horn]

If you can legally send me what your are taking/smoking...I will pay the freight.


Gots ta be world class!

You have to walk the walk, before you can smoke the smoke...

[Horn]

We are focused with laserlike pinpoint accuracy.

Become one with fascist supremacy, is that your message here, Crypto-Darwin?


The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Doctrine_of_Fascism



There is no room for other commune patent holders at the top, or even well driven healthcare systems.

[Cebu_4_2]

breaking news ~ not even going to bother editing.

DEBRIS including a wooden pallet has been spotted by one of the aircraft searching for missing flight MH370, Prime Minister Tony Abbott has revealed. Mr Abbott said he was told late last night a civilian aircraft had sighted a number of objects within the search zone.
It is the first direct sighting of debris and follows two hits by satellite in the past week.
“Yesterday one of our civilian search aircraft got visuals on a number of objects in a fairly small area in the overall Australian search zone,” Mr Abbott said this morning.
He said the debris was: “ A number of small objects, fairly close together within the Australian search zone, including a wooden pallet.”
“It’s still too early to be definite, but obviously we have now had a number of very credible leads and there is increasing hope, no more than hope, no more than hope, that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft,” Mr Abbott said.
His revelation gives further hope that authorities might be closing in on the fate of missing Malaysian aircraft MH370.

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Looking for clues ... Flight officer Rayan Gharazeddine on board a Royal Australian Air Force AP-3C Orion, searches for the missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 in southern Indian Ocean. Picture: Rob Griffith Source: AP



Speaking in the PNG capital Port Moresby as he prepared to fly back to Australia, Mr Abbott said the sighting was one of three significant developments in the past 24 hours.
Australia will resume its search today, after a new Chinese satellite image also revealed a large floating object deep in the southern Indian Ocean.
The grainy photo, which was taken on March 18 - two days after the first images were captured by commercial satellites and released by the State Administration of Science Technology and Industry - shows an object 22.5 metres by 13 metres floating in the ocean.

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More data ... the Chinese satellite image of more debris spotted in the Indian Ocean. Source: Supplied



Malaysia’s Defence and acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein made the announcement as “breaking news” midway through a press conference in Kuala Lumpur last night.
After being handed a note with the notes of a telephone conversation on it, Mr Hussein told the media that the Chinese had a “satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor”.
Ships were now on the way to the location, he said.
FINAL 54 MINUTES OF MISSING FLIGHT MH370 (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/transcript-reveals-missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-final-54-minutes-of-communication/story-fnizu68q-1226861941951)
“New satellite imagery , the Chinese satellite imagery, does seem to suggest at least one large object down there, consistent with the object that earlier satellite imagery discovered,” Mr Abbott said.
“Finally, the search has been joined today by four additional aircraft - two Chinese aircraft and two Japanese Orions.

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New information...Malaysian Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein shows a note from the Chinese ambassador informing him of new satellite images of possible MH370 debris in the Indian Ocean. Picture: AFP Source: AFP



“I want to say that this is a really big international effort and it does show many countries are capable of pulling together in times of trouble.”
Mr Abbott said the search being carried out about 3000km southwest of Perth in the southern Indian Ocean, was an important humanitarian exercise.
“We owe it to the almost 240 people on board the plane. We owe it to their grieving families. We owe it to the governments of the countries concerned to do everything we can to discover as much as we can about the fate of MH370,” he said.
“Obviously the more aircraft we have, the more ships we have - and HMAS success is in the search area now - the more confident we are of recovering whatever material is down there “It’s still too early to be definite by obviously we have now had a number of very credible leads and there is increasing hope - no more than hope - that we might be on the road to discovering what did happen to this ill-fated aircraft.”







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COULD SATELLITE IMAGES BE POINTING TO MH370 WRECKAGE?
There is a “high likelihood” that the images are the wreckage of MH370, aviation expert Neil Hansford said.
The new find appeared to back up Australia’s efforts to focus the search at the location of the previous sighting, 2300km south west of Perth, he said.
AVIATION EXPERT: ‘HIGH LIKELIHOOD’ IMAGES ARE MH370 (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/aviation-expert-neil-hansford-high-likelihood-images-are-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fnizu68q-1226862265432)
“If that was taken later than the first images, it suggests it validates what they saw.”
Other aviation experts concur, saying it is the best lead we have in the search for the missing aircraft.
Erik van Sebille, an oceanographer at the University of New South Wales in Sydney, said the currents in the area typically move at about one metre per second but can sometimes move faster.
Based on the typical speed, a current could theoretically move a floating object about 173 kilometres in two days, making it harder for vessels to reach the objects detected via the satellites.
News of the new Chinese satellite image comes days after Australian satellite images also picked up what appeared to be debris about 2300km south west of Perth.
That debris was about the same size - the largest piece was 24 metres long.

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Two objects spotted ... in satellite imagery from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority. The object here is 24 metres long. Picture: AMSA Source: AP



The other piece of debris was 5 metres long.
The Boeing 777-200 is about 64 metres long with a wingspan of 61 metres and a fuselage about 6.2 metres in diameter, according to Boeing’s website.

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The second object ... which is five metres long. Picture: Department of Defence Source: AP



But even if both satellites detected the same object, it may be unrelated to the plane.
One possibility is that it could have fallen off a cargo vessel.
Warren Truss, Australia’s acting prime minister while Tony Abbott is abroad, said before the new satellite data was announced that a complete search could take a long time.
“It is a very remote area, but we intend to continue the search until we’re absolutely satisfied that further searching would be futile — and that day is not in sight,” he said.
“If there’s something there to be found, I’m confident that this search effort will locate it,” Truss said from the base near Perth that is serving as a staging area for search aircraft.
TROPICAL CYCLONE COULD THREATEN SEARCH
Cyclone Gillian, which has set off a cyclone warning in the Southern Corridor area has yet to hamper search and rescue operations, but could interfere.
Department of Civil Aviation (DCA) director-general Datuk Azharuddin Abdul Rahman said the cyclone was currently in the area around Christmas Island, and had yet to affect the Southern Corridor search area.
“It is not in the search and rescue area yet, but may approach it,” he said, adding it could hamper efforts there.
Acting Transport Minister Datuk Seri Hishammuddin Hussein said it was currently a category one cyclone, and “was not affecting the search area yet, but could grow”.
“Some vessels may have to go through the cyclone to get to the search and rescue area,” he said.







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SEARCH CONTINUES, WITHOUT PLANE DEBRIS FOUND - YET
Since the Australian announcement of debris spotted, a flotilla of ships and sophisticated military aircraft have searched the area for several days with no sign of the debris. With a tropical cyclone developing conditions are expected to deteriorate.
RELATIVES FURIOUS OVER MH370 BUNGLES (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/missing-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370-may-be-at-bottom-of-southern-indian-ocean/story-fnizu68q-1226861867123)
The Australian Maritime and Safety Authority (AMSA), which is co-ordinating the hunt for the wreckage, wrapped up the search operation on Saturday night after experiencing good conditions with visibility of around 10km and moderate seas.

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Searching ... Flight Officer Jack Chen mans the navigation and comms station on board a Royal Australian Air Force AP-3C Orion as they hunt for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean. Picture: Rob Griffith Source: AFP



Six planes, including four Orion anti-submarine aircraft packed with state-of-the-art surveillance equipment, scoured the area for a third straight day without success.
A Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) P3 Orion aircraft with specialist electro-optic observation equipment was diverted to the location, arriving after the first aircraft left but only reported sighting clumps of seaweed.
The RNZAF Orion dropped a datum marker buoy to track the movement of the material. A merchant ship in the area has been tasked to relocate and seek to identify the material.

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Racing against time ... Flight Lieutenant Jason Nichols, on board a Royal Australian Air Force AP-3C Orion, takes notes as they search for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 in the southern Indian Ocean. Picture: Rob Griffith Source: AFP



The Royal Australian Navy’s HMAS Success has arrived in the 36,000-square-kilometre search area, where two merchant ships are also helping look for the missing plane.
The AMSA says it is too early to say if the new Chinese satellite image would alter its search patterns.
Chinese, British and Australian naval ships are already steaming to the search area and the new image will provide welcome backing for the decision to deploy so many resources without confirmation the objects are pieces of the plane.






MH370 dropped off civilian radar on March 8 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing, and two weeks later Malaysian investigators still believe it was “deliberately diverted” by someone on board.
Two-thirds of the 227 passengers on board the missing flight were Chinese and anger has been growing among family members over Malaysia’s handling of the search operation.
Six Australians and two New Zealanders were also aboard the flight.
MICHELLE OBAMA: THE US IS HERE TO HELP
While on a tour of China, the First Lady Michelle Obama emphasised that the US will offer any support Malaysia needs in the search.
“As my husband has said, the United States is offering as many resources as possible to assist in the search ... please know that we are keeping all of the families and loved ones of those on this flight in our thoughts and prayers at this very difficult time.”

[BrewTech]

Reading this forum, most here do.

Tho the problem is that this country is still as freedoms goes is overall, is the best on/in the world.

No other country has the freedom of movement/speech than this country in the world.

Bar none!

Edit: If you hate it so much , then get the fuck out..and then see where you will be.

I can see why you drink so much. The mental strain of maintaining delusions and cliche'-based beliefs must be unbearable.

Doublethink is indeed a bitch.

[EE_]

The MSM is pretty fixated on this missing airliner. I've been watching them walk through every possible scenario of what-if's and why's, based on zero information. Outside of the families, the outcome will have little bering on our lives.

What's happening in the Ukraine may affect all of us and I don't see the MSM talking about the posibilities in the event Russia makes an energy deal with China, how it will affect the dollar, or if Russia decides to annex all of the Ukraine.
There's a lot that could be discussed, but not one discussion on what this could mean to the petro-dollar.
I'm sure the petro-dollar is off limits to the MSM, to keep the population unaware it even exists.

[Dogman]

I can see why you drink so much. The mental strain of maintaining delusions and cliche'-based beliefs must be unbearable.

Doublethink is indeed a bitch.


Hehe..

sometimes it is a bitch to try and put into words what one truly feels and has experianced in real life. My battles are I know it will kill me someday and the hard part is knowing and trying to avoid. But the spirit/flesh is weak and thin..zip.

But at least I do not do what I used to do, every night kill a 12 pack 24/7/365 like I used to . I do not like/care for the person I become when I go over the edge. But hard to argue when you are living alone, no one to bitch at me.

So yes there is a dual personality sometimes when I post..The caring one and the do not give a flying crap one.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHtVaSmK38s

[Serpo]

So, What Do I Think Happened? I think that Captain Shah and his co-pilot, First Officer Fariq Ab Hamid, conspired together to take the plane and passengers hostage in order to force the Malaysian Government to set aside the conviction of PKR opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim. It is fair to say that they worked together based on the following facts.
First, air traffic controllers described the interactions with the flight crew as routine and normal. We know that this routine interaction was occurring even as the flight began to deviate from its approved flight plan about 20 minutes after takeoff. This deviation was the result of an alternate flight plan being executed by the Flight Management System computer.
The air traffic controllers say they are certain that the voice saying “Alright, good night” was the voice of First Officer Hamid, and not Captain Shah. This is significant because normal procedure would have the non-flying pilot communicating with the tower and operating the Flight Management System – that would be the First Officer.
Also significant is that any deviation from the filed flight plan would include an immediate notification by the flight crew to ATC of that change and the reason for it. The plane began to deviate from that flight plan after 20 minutes in flight without such notice to Kuala Lumpur ATC. And we have no report that this deviation was reported by the flight crew, or even noticed by KL ATC.
Next, when the plane reached the limits of Kuala Lumpur’s ATC radar coverage, its Flight Data Transponder was turned off. This occurred two minutes after KL ATC handed the flight off to Ho Chi Minh ATC. There is a report that HCM ATC noticed after 3 minutes or so that the plane did not make contact with them, and would have reported that to KL ATC.
What should have happened next is that KL ATC should have noticed that the Flight Data Transponder had been turned off. They would have tried to raise MH 370 by radio, tell them that their transponder was off, to switch to their alternate and ask why they did not contact HCM ATC. If they received no answer, they would have contacted another plane in the area and asked them to try to reach the MH 370 on their own radio. This is standard operating procedure, and yet there is no report of this happening.
There is a report that another plane heard what they believed was mumbling on an open mike that is being attributed to MH 370, but there is no way to confirm this. Until the Malaysian authorities release the transcripts of the full and complete conversation between MH 370 and KL ATC, and disclose their actions upon learning the plane never made contact with HCM ATC, we aren’t going to know.
I think the gentle turn to the NNW up to Thailand was done to not disturb the passengers, who would not have noticed the slow turn and were probably asleep for the most part on this red-eye to Beijing. In the dark, and over water, anyone still awake would have been looking out into inky blackness. If the plane had an inflight entertainment system which included a video map of the plane’s flight progress, this would have been shut off by the pilots, perhaps reporting to the passengers that it was broken.
I think this may explain why no one made a call, text or tweet saying they had been hijacked. They didn’t know anything was wrong.
As the plane flew into the Gulf of Thailand, I think it made a programmed gradual descent down below 5,000 feet and the pilot throttled it back to about 250 kts. On radar it would have looked like a small private plan or inter island cargo plane and would not have attracted much notice from Thailand, which paid it no notice apparently, or the Malaysian military, which also didn’t notice it until it was told to look for it days later.
Again, at night and over water, the passengers would not have noticed a gradual descent and slowing of the plane. Shah was an experienced pilot. He probably knew how to exploit the gaps in radar coverage to avoid being noticed. The plane then crossed the Isthmus of Thailand at its narrowest and crossed a sparsely populated Myanmar on its way West and proceeded out over the Andaman Sea.
I think Shah then placed the plane in a circling turn out over the water 200-300 miles out and made his demands known to the Malaysian authorities: Vacate the verdict against Ibrahim or I will dive this plane into the water. If successful, Shah might have planned to return to Kuala Lumpur, or to land in Australia and ask for political asylum, hoping the circumstance mitigated him being charged with air piracy and hijacking. Shah would have left himself enough time and fuel to get back to one of these destinations safely.
Let us assume the Malaysian authorities, relieved that they were not dealing with a real terrorist, called Shah’s bluff or made promises Shah did not believe would be carried out. The deadline would have been before sunrise so the passengers would not realize they were still over water and not China. Shah and his co-pilot probably discussed this possibility.
They may have flown about for another hour or two in dawn hours before finally deciding to open the throttles, point the plane at the deck at a steep dive angle and crash it into the ocean. The plane would have accelerated quickly in the few seconds it took to reach the water. The impact, as stated above, would exert about 20,000 pounds per square inch on the airliner as it struck the water.
MH 370 was made of light but strong materials – aluminium and carbon fiber. They aren’t built to withstand such pressures. Any materials strong enough not to be obliterated in the impact would sink. The debris that remained would be very small. Water is incompressible. At 500-600 kts and 330 tons, the plane packed enormous inertia. It would be like hitting concrete. Here is what happened to an F4 Phantom (which has much less inertia behind it) when it was sledded into a concrete wall at 500 mph:


The wingtips survived because they were past the edge of the wall.
Because of the speed of the impact (about 700 feet per second) when it hit the water, the nose of the 200 foot airliner would have met the tail in just under 1/3 of a second. That would not be enough time for the deceleration sensors in the Emergency Landing Beacons to transmit an automatic distress signal. For the passengers, there would have been no pain, not even time to feel the crash. A merciful death.
For the Malaysian authorities this would be a political disaster. Malaysian Airlines is state-owned. If they botched the negotiations with Shah, they would own a big part of the blame for that. If it’s true that the charges against PKR leader Ibrahim are trumped up, it’s even worse for the UMNO-led government, which is struggling to maintain power. The dead Chinese citizens on board are also a big problem for the government. Again, they were business men, not peasants on vacation.
China is not going to be happy with an Islamist government’s railroading an opposition leader (http://in.reuters.com/article/2011/09/12/idINIndia-59282520110912) and getting Chinese nationals killed in the aftermath. A full disclosure from the government that this hijacking was a political act intended to secure the release of a wrongly convicted opposition leader could reignite sectarian violence in the country and topple the majority government. When you look at the Malaysian government’s parsing of information, or the outright falseness of it at times, I can’t help but conclude that their government may not want to ever disclose what really happened.





http://sofrep.com/34084/alright-goodnight-malaysia-want-know-happened-flight-mh-370/ (http://sofrep.com/34084/alright-goodnight-malaysia-want-know-happened-flight-mh-370/)

[EE_]

I'll tell you what happened...no, forget it, I don't give a shit. I'm tired of hearing about it. They know nothing...they can get back to me when they do.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/hoganshero/images/nothing.jpg

[Cebu_4_2]

While driving I heard that the plane fell into the sea and there are no survivors... my wife said 'how do they know?'

Exactly.

[mick silver]

Ruthless Use of Missing Malaysian Airliner Reinforces Globalist Memes By Staff Report - March 24, 2014

One Reason It May Be Harder to Find Flight 370: We Messed Up the Currents ... Scientists say man-made climate change has fundamentally altered the currents of the vast, deep oceans where investigators are currently scouring for the missing Malaysian Airlines flight, setting a complex stage for the ongoing search for MH370. If the Boeing 777 did plunge into the ocean somewhere in the vicinity of where the Indian Ocean meets the Southern Ocean, the location where its debris finally ends up, if found at all, may be vastly different from where investigators could have anticipated 30 years ago. – Mother Jones
Dominant Social Theme: What a mess. Humans have surely ruined the climate and it is causing all sorts of problems.
Free-Market Analysis: The global warming meme must be advanced at all costs, even over dead, apparently drowned bodies. Of course, it is possible that the passengers of the missing Malaysian Airline flight are still alive.
But even alive they are party to a dominant social theme, as the mainstream media has suggested that terrorists took over the plane and piloted it to Pakistan or something. So, if they are dead, we read that global warming was responsible. If they are alive, it's because terrorists flew the plane to a hidden destination.



So many times the mainstream media (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/1861/) seizes on a high-profile incident and uses it to reinforce a dominant social theme (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/652/). It is as horrible to behold as it is predictable.
Here's more:
The search of 8,880 square miles of ocean has yet to turn up signs of the missing flight ... According to interviews with three climate scientists who specialize in the region of the world where investigators are focusing their search, the winds of the Southern Indian Ocean bordering the Southern Ocean have been shifting southwards and intensifying over the last 20 to 30 years, in part due to a warming atmosphere and the hole in the ozone layer.
Ocean currents are also tightening around Antarctica, shifting whole climate systems towards the South Pole. "Both the ozone hole and greenhouse gases are working together to change the winds over the Southern Ocean."
... The debris is being searched for in "the boundary between the circumpolar current and the gyre," says the CSIRO's Steven Rintoul. Unlike the current patterns of the Northern Hemisphere oceans, where scientists have a lot more historical data to rely on, this southwards shift was a pattern only first detected by satellite starting in the early 1990s.
"Over the 20 years, since 1993, we've seen the current shift southward by about half a degree of latitude, or about 30 or 40 miles or so, on average," Rintoul says. That may not sound like a lot, but it has substantially altered our understanding of the oceans here.
Previously, it was thought these mega-currents were locked into the trenches and mountains of the deep sea floor, says Rintoul, in the same way poured molten metal must conform to a mold. "It was a surprise to see them shifting at all. In some regions the shifts are much greater, up to 400 miles."
As winds and ocean currents have been driven south, there have been alarming side effects, says Rintoul. "We have seen changes in the last few years that even 5 or 10 years ago we would have thought highly unlikely," he says. The sea is hotter, for example, and less salty: "There's warming, and freshening of the deep ocean and the surface ocean, shifts in the latitude of the major currents, and changes in the ice driven in part by the wind, and in part by the ocean."
... "It can do loads of things to the climate system," says Matthew England, joint director of Climate Change Research Centre at the University of New South Wales. "It can decrease the amount of carbon you can get into the oceans...It can also affect the temperatures off the Antarctic ice shelf, which is a real worry."
The reason oceans are warming, according to the warmists, is because excess manmade carbon is heating up the atmosphere ... but the warming trend hasn't boosted surface temperatures. Instead, it has penetrated the deepest oceans, warming currents and making them unpredictable.
As usual, the problem is one of global warming caused by carbon and created by humans.
The solution, repetitively and predictably, is for humans to produce less carbon. That will allow the Earth to return to "normal."
But there is truly no consensus that we are aware of regarding global warming. The meme (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/654/) collapsed years ago with the publication of various emails that showed fairly clearly the collusion among warmists and their stance as gatekeepers that allowed little criticism of their position.
After this, those globalists who are determined to create regulation to fix the non-existent problem of manmade carbon warming took another tack. As we have pointed out, it may be possible that the West's secretive military program to manipulate weather is being used to create weather events that are then held up as evidence of "climate change."
There are plenty of filed patents showing the US military in particular has the technology to create a variety of climate change episodes. Employing this perspective, one could argue there is no climate change, only episodes of transient weather – storms, hurricanes, even droughts or temporary flooding.
But the mainstream media, nonetheless, will dramatize these instances in order to create a perception that globalists can use to fulfill their carbon agenda, create carbon exchanges, monetize manmade carbon, etc.
And while this sounds implausible to those who do not follow these sorts of manipulations on a regular basis, the use of the missing Malaysian plane to further various elite memes is perfectly predictable.
If anything, it shows us once more how pernicious these dominant social themes actually are and how remorselessly those who stand behind them will behave to promote them.


Conclusion These episodes remind us once again of the ruthlessness of those who seek to implement globalist goals.

- See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35145/Ruthless-Use-of-Missing-Malaysian-Airliner-Reinforces-Globalist-Memes/#sthash.zwP5awBn.dpuf

[singular_me]

and what if it were a complete hoax, that no plane disappeared/crashed, to distract people from what is going on elsewhere, russia for example?

[Horn]

and what if it were a complete hoax, that no plane disappeared/crashed, to distract people from what is going on elsewhere, russia for example?

Were you distracted, or did you mean Ukraine?

[singular_me]

actaully I didnt pay attention when it happened, but then got several emails via beforeitsnews and which teased my interest. I was today accompanying someone to the doctor and there was plasma TV in the waiting room featuring various CNN spin doctors getting much too excited about the missing plane..

of course now, I want to know more but perhaps there was no plane to start with.... or it was stolen. ???
(sorry I have no time to go through the whole thread)

yes, russia Ukraine tensions

[JohnQPublic]

How solid is the evidence that this flight ever took off?

[Cebu_4_2]

How solid is the evidence that this flight ever took off?

focus above...

[Cebu_4_2]

. ???
of course now, I want to know more but perhaps there was no plane to start with.... or it was stolen. ???

planned

[Serpo]

It was real ,no question about it and the grieving people look heart broken.

Pings have been tracked from the rolls royce motors and how long it took to reach a satellite and bonce back............... story is here.............

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2588508/A-shot-dark-How-UK-firm-team-scientists-tracked-missing-flight-MH370-confirmed-worst-fears-families-passengers-crew.html

[Serpo]

and what if it were a complete hoax, that no plane disappeared/crashed, to distract people from what is going on elsewhere, russia for example?


Something is only a distraction if a person is distracted.

In the end its all a distraction..

Its suspicious in the fact that there where the people from that company on board and that no one will be found..............


http://beforeitsnews.com/events/2014/03/mh370-us-military-cover-up-malaysia-says-maldives-lied-about-planes-sightings-2432822.html

[singular_me]

right, it is like saying the only free will one has is to notice or not...

But I may have found something interesting.... Corbett generally does a good job
too bad I wont be able to listen til Thur as this internet package where I am at %4#@

The Corbett Report: How to Steal an Airplane: From 9/11 to MH370
http://www.corbettreport.com/how-to-steal-an-airplane-from-911-to-mh370/




Something is only a distraction if a person is distracted.

In the end its all a distraction..

Its suspicious in the fact that there where the people from that company on board and that no one will be found..............

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkIscCG1yXc

[singular_me]

the usual suspect(s) again? although I fear that it may be true, if some of you would confirm this that would be nice.

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Rothschild Takes Down Malaysian Airliner MH370 to Gain Rights to a Semiconductor Patent – Getting Rid of Those Who Stood in His Way! Monday, March 24, 2014

With the disappearance of those on Malaysian Airlines MH370 billionaire Jacob Rothschild becomes the sole owner of an important semiconductor patent.

Coincidence? I think not! The mysteries surrounding Malaysian Airliner MH-370 continue to grow with each passing day and Mr. Rothschild is smack dab in the middle.
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2014/03/rothschild-takes-down-malaysian-airliner-mh370-to-gain-rights-to-a-semiconductor-patent-getting-rid-of-those-who-stood-in-his-way-2607888.html



The disappearance of four members of a patent semiconductor traveling on Malaysia Airlines MH370 makes the famous billionaire Jacob Rothschild at the sole owner of the important patent.

The mystery surrounding the Malaysian Airlines MH-370 is growing as each day passes with more mysterious silence shadowing the disappearance of the airline. More and more conspiracy theories are beginning to boom on the internet. One of the conspiracies one is the Freescale Semiconductor’s ARM microcontroller ‘KL-03′ which is a new improvised version of an older microcontroller KL-02. This crazy story about how Illuminati Rothschild exploited the airlines to gain full Patent Rights of an incredible KL-03 micro-chip is going haywire across the internet especially when it’s involving Jacob Rothschild as the evil master plotter.
http://worldtruth.tv/rothschild-inherits-a-semiconductor-patent-for-freescale-semiconductors/


Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 Now Clearly a Government Cover-up: All Evidence Contradicts Official Story -
#1) If the plane went down in the ocean, it would have broken up on impact and debris would be easily spotted

#2) The plane continued broadcasting data to Boeing for 4 – 7 hours

#3) There is ZERO evidence the flight crashed into the Indian Ocean

#4) Another crucial fact: It’s clear that the transponder was manually turned off in order to hide the plane’s new flight path

See more at: http://worldtruth.tv/#sthash.y8Megir2.dpuf

[Neuro]

I think these electronic inventor geniuses and semi-conductor engineers right now has been taken from Diego Garcia to some other island nearby, and they are now working on building Iron Man suits or some other military technology. I am only half-joking. It really is a possibility...

[mick silver]

we will never know whats really happen to the plane an people just my take on this . it look to be one big cover up

[Serpo]

Time to call in the psychics and this is an interesting read if nothing else and before discarding her story read some of her other remote viewing articles .

Some interesting readings on gold and silver also.



Her reading is that the plane entered a time warp a bit like the Bermuda triangle..........

http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html





or.............http://www.rense.com/general96/tinymicro.html (http://psychicfocus.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/malaysia-airline-mh370.html)

[midnight rambler]

Already happened -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Odyssey_of_Flight_33

[Buddha]

Ok, I'm gonna tell you what I heard... I'm not at home so don't have links. There were 20 or so engeniers, on that flight that were into cloaking technology, word is they did it, well Blackwater and the such want that and can't let it get out before they perfect it them selves.

Just sayin...

[Amanda]

For what it's worth, Christopher Bollyn has an update to the information I posted earlier on this thread:

http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14613

Are the Israelis Planning Another 9-11 Using the Missing Boeing 777?

Updated March 26, 2014


http://www.bollyn.com/public/Malay_Boeing_777.jpg
Why would Israel have a plane identical to the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in storage in Tel Aviv? The plane in this photo is Boeing 777 2H6(ER) - 28416/155, an identical twin of the missing plane, which has been in Israel since November 2013. What are the Israelis doing with this plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv? Could it be part of a false-flag terror plot in the making? Where is this plane today?
Source: www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php
(http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php)See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_11686 (http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_11686)

Update - According to reports from plane-spotters, Israel has an identical Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200 in storage in Tel Aviv since November 2013. The only visible difference between the missing plane and the one in Tel Aviv would be its serial number. What do the Israelis have planned with the twin Malaysia Airlines plane?

By using the twin aircraft they have in storage, the terror masterminds may have a sinister plan for the missing plane to seemingly reappear in a false-flag atrocity. Public awareness of the twin plane in Tel Aviv, therefore, could prevent the evil plot from going ahead.

For more on the identical Malaysia plane in Tel Aviv see the latest entry, dated March 26, 2014, on my Q&A and Comment page (http://www.bollyn.com/question-and-answer-forum/).

Note: The Malaysia Air 777 with Boeing serial number 28416 and registered as 9M-MRI was sold to GA Telesis, LLC of Fort Lauderdale, Florida, on October 21, 2013, and is now registered as N105GT. The aircraft was stored at Tarbes Lourdes Pyrenees on October 4, 2013, and then on November 4, 2013, it was re-registered as N105GT and stored at Tel Aviv.

See: www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php (http://www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis-php)

Abdol Moabery serves as the President and Chief Executive Officer of GA Telesis, LLC. Previously, Mr. Moabery served as Executive Vice President of Aviation Systems International, Inc., and as Director of Marketing and Sales at C-S Aviation Services, Inc. Both of Moabery's former companies were owned by George Soros. Therefore it is not unlikely that Soros owns a good part of GA Telesis, too.

C-S Aviation Services:

https://www.mail-archive.com/osint@yahoogroups.com/msg64520.html (https://www.mail-archive.com/osint@yahoogroups.com/msg64520.html)

Aviation Systems International, Inc.

http://business.fau.edu/news-events/event-details/index.aspx?eid=2826#.UzFK2CO3PJs (http://business.fau.edu/news-events/event-details/index.aspx?eid=2826#.UzFK2CO3PJs)

This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al "security expert" Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flagattack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.
"I BELIEVE IRAN WAS INVOLVED"
"What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved. They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.”
- Issac Yeffet, former El Al security expert to Times of Israel, March 17, 2014
World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
- Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014

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See more at: http://www.bollyn.com/#article_14613

[mick silver]

why do i keep hearing his name when something happens ... Both of Moabery's former companies were owned by George Soros. Therefore it is not unlikely that Soros owns a good part of GA Telesis, too.................. World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
- Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014

[Libertytree]

I'm kinda surprised no has came up with the theory that they flew into a time vortex and are now in 1920 or an alt universe. Is there a Bermuda Triangle in that ocean?

Told ya so :)

[singular_me]

PROJECT CAMELOT: MISSING FLIGHT 370

Published on Mar 14, 2014


MIKE HARRIS, Rense Radio Talk Show Host and I, originally broadcast on Livestream (Thursday, March 13th) taking questions and call-ins regarding disappeared Flight 370.

We discuss the history of Freescale Semiconductor (formerly Motorola). Mike Harris is a former subcontractor and vendor who reported to upper level management for Motorola.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJETmm8kG0

[Amanda]

Be sure to check out the links in the comment posted below the article.

http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html

Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public (http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html)

08:53 News (http://www.newsforage.com/search/label/News) 1 comment (http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html#comment-form)


A Malaysian team have told relatives of Chinese passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 that there was sealed evidence that cannot be made public, as they came under fire from the angry relatives at a briefing on Wednesday.

The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings.
The briefing at the Metropark Lido Hotel in Beijing focused on UK satellite analysis which led Malaysia to conclude that flight MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean, off Perth.
The Chinese relatives were told that a five-member high-level team from Malaysia plans to brief them once every five days. The team include MAS pilot Lim Jit Koon and senior civil aviation official Ahmad Nizar Zolfakar.
During the question-and-answer session, a relative said: "Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."
Another asked: "If the info is from UK satellite firm Inmarsat, does it mean the Malaysia team cannot answer our questions on the MH370 analysis?"
Faced with the barrage of questions from the angry relatives, the MAS team replied: "We can answer but we might not be correct as we're not the investigators":
They said Malaysia had requested for the British experts to join them for the briefing in Beijing but the latter declined.
They assured the relatives that the search and rescue operations for the plane have been stepped up but the hunt has been challenging as the search area is huge.
The Malaysian government and MAS have been criticised for their handling of the disappearance of MH370 on March 8. They have been accused of being slow in disseminating information and not revealing everything about the incident.
Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Monday night that based on latest UK data analysis, the plane had gone down in a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean.
"We demand you retract announcement that MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean and continue search-and-rescue operations,'' one relative said at the briefing.
Some family representatives targeted Malaysian envoy Iskandar Sarudin, asking him: "You expect us to accept a report you cannot defend?"
"No comment,'' said Mr Iskandar.
He again declined to comment when asked "how do you expect us to feel friendly towards Malaysia?"
Upset by the response from the Malaysia team, a relative said: "You have once again left us speechless!"
Wednesday's briefing was the first time the media were allowed to attend.
The relatives also accused MAS of not providing enough assistance to them.
"Two-thirds of MH370 passengers are Chinese but only 50 caregivers?" asked a relative.
An airline official explained that they have had problem finding volunteers to help out.
When asked why the MAS office at the hotel was closed on Tuesday, the MAS officials said they were advised by the Chinese government not to be there given the tense mood among the relatives.

Dan Mac Donald (http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html#) • 2 hours ago (http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html#comment-1306295175) Okay folks go real slow and read these in order;
http://www.ibtimes.co.in/artic... (http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/543645/20140317/israel-fears-attack-hijacked-malaysian-flight-mh370.htm)
and while that ones fresh in your mind,look at this one:
http://investmentwatchblog.com... (http://investmentwatchblog.com/busted-israel-caught-housing-flight-370-twin-airplane-in-tel-aviv/)
Can you see what`s happening here?If you can`t,then go back to your regularly scheduled programming because there`s no hope for you.

[mick silver]

what have they found that they need to seal evidence and who's it on ............ go to post two that i made , something fishy about this

[Serpo]

A Malaysian team have told relatives of Chinese passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 that there was sealed evidence that cannot be made public



hahaha what idiots

[Glass]

in other news


Commanders fired in nuke missile cheating scandal

WASHINGTON (AP) - The Air Force took the extraordinary step Thursday of firing nine midlevel nuclear commanders and announcing it will discipline dozens of junior officers at a nuclear missile base, responding firmly to an exam-cheating scandal that spanned a far longer period than originally reported.

A 10th commander, the senior officer at the base, resigned and will retire from the Air Force.

Air Force officials called the discipline unprecedented in the history of America's intercontinental ballistic missile force. The Associated Press last year revealed a series of security and other problems in the ICBM force, including a failed safety and security inspection at Malmstrom Air Force Base, Mont., where the cheating occurred.

In an emotion-charged resignation letter titled "A Lesson to Remember," Col. Robert Stanley, who commanded the 341st Missile Wing at Malmstrom, lamented that the reputation of the ICBM mission was now "tarnished because of the extraordinarily selfish actions of officers entrusted with the most powerful weapon system ever devised by man."

Stanley, seen as a rising star in the Air Force, had been nominated for promotion to brigadier general just days before the cheating scandal came to light in January. Instead he is retiring, convinced, as he wrote in his farewell letter Thursday, that "we let the American people down on my watch."

Separately, another of the Air Force's nuclear missile units - the 90th Missile Wing at F.E. Warren Air Force Base, Wyo. - announced that it had fired the officer overseeing its missile squadrons. It said Col. Donald Holloway, the operations group commander, was sacked "because of a loss of confidence in his ability to lead."

The 90th Missile Wing offered no further explanation for Holloway's removal and said it "has nothing to do" with the firings announced by the Air Force in Washington.

Together, the moves reflect turmoil in a force that remains central to American defense strategy but in some ways has been neglected. The force of 450 Minuteman 3 missiles is primed to unleash nuclear devastation on a moment's notice, capable of obliterating people and places halfway around the globe.

In a bid to correct root causes of the missile corps' failings - including low morale and weak management - the Air Force also announced Thursday a series of new or expanded programs to improve leadership development, to modernize the three ICBM bases and to reinforce "core values" including integrity.


Nine key commanders below Stanley were fired, including the commanders of the 341st Wing's three missile squadrons, each of which is responsible for 50 Minuteman 3 nuclear missiles.
Also sacked were the commander and deputy commander of the 341st Operations Group, which oversees all three missile squadrons as well as a helicopter unit and a support squadron responsible for administering monthly proficiency tests to Malmstrom's launch crews and evaluating their performance.http://ak.imgfarm.com/images/ap/thumbnails//Nuclear_Missteps.sff_DCCD601_20140327145554.jpg

Members of all three missile squadrons were implicated in the cheating, either by providing or receiving test answers or knowing about the cheating and not reporting it.
No generals are being punished. Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, who was fired last October as commander of the 20th Air Force, which is responsible for all three 150-missile wings of the ICBM force, is still on duty as a staff officer at Air Force Space Command but has requested retirement; his request is being reviewed.

Carey was fired after a military investigation determined that he had engaged in inappropriate behavior while leading a U.S. government delegation to a nuclear security exercise in Russia last summer. He was replaced by Maj. Gen. Jack Weinstein.

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140328/DACQCA901.html

[Cebu_4_2]

Missing Jet Search Area Shifts After 'Credible Lead'
The search area of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet has shifted northeast of where a multinational team of investigators had been looking for debris because of a "new credible lead," Australian authorities said Friday morning local time.
The Australian Maritime Safety Authority said it shifted the search roughly 680 miles to the northeast after getting a lead premised on updated advice from the international investigative team in Malaysia.
The new search area is 123,200 square miles and roughly 1,250 miles west of Perth, Australia. It is based on information suggesting the Boeing 777 was “traveling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance the aircraft travelled south into the Indian Ocean,” Australian officials said in a release.

The revised search area comes amid clearer weather Friday (late Thursday ET) in the southern Indian Ocean that will give searchers a better shot at hunting for new clues.
AMSA said Australian officials have "examined this advice and determined that this is the most credible lead to where debris may be located."
“The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost,” AMSA said in a release.
"This is a credible new lead and will be thoroughly investigated today," Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said.
"This is an extraordinarily difficult search, and an agonizing wait for family and friends of the passengers and crew," he said. "We owe it to them to follow every credible lead and to keep the public informed of significant new developments. That is what we are doing."
The doomed airliner went missing with 239 people on board March 8 on what should have been a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.

[midnight rambler]

Still more curious evidence, including the 'twin' 777 in the hands of the cunning tribe and the IsraHell embassies and consulates shutting down -

http://www.rense.com/general96/role.html

[Neuro]

Missing Jet Search Area Shifts After 'Credible Lead'


The search area of the missing Malaysia Airlines jet has shifted northeast of where a multinational team of investigators had been looking for debris because of a "new credible lead," Australian authorities said Friday morning local time.
The Australian Maritime Safety Authority said it shifted the search roughly 680 miles to the northeast after getting a lead premised on updated advice from the international investigative team in Malaysia.
The new search area is 123,200 square miles and roughly 1,250 miles west of Perth, Australia. It is based on information suggesting the Boeing 777 was “traveling faster than previously estimated, resulting in increased fuel usage and reducing the possible distance the aircraft travelled south into the Indian Ocean,” Australian officials said in a release.

The revised search area comes amid clearer weather Friday (late Thursday ET) in the southern Indian Ocean that will give searchers a better shot at hunting for new clues.
AMSA said Australian officials have "examined this advice and determined that this is the most credible lead to where debris may be located."
“The new information is based on continuing analysis of radar data between the South China Sea and the Strait of Malacca before radar contact was lost,” AMSA said in a release.
"This is a credible new lead and will be thoroughly investigated today," Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said.
"This is an extraordinarily difficult search, and an agonizing wait for family and friends of the passengers and crew," he said. "We owe it to them to follow every credible lead and to keep the public informed of significant new developments. That is what we are doing."
The doomed airliner went missing with 239 people on board March 8 on what should have been a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing.
Do you see the glaring contradiction here? The search in the previous area was conducted because they had seen what may have been debris in the area, there is no reason whatsoever to assume that the plane would have gone in the same direction but shorter when they determined there was no debris...

[Serpo]

"America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilotless drones) was hijacked by Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

The Talebans want money. They want to sell the system to Russia or China. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile America has engaged assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and American will not hijack or harm civilians. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How can AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing can be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refuelled and continued its flight to Diego Gar CIA the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead people will not talk. The MH370 with dead passengers was air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, making to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, then blame the defiant captain and copilot.

American has put on a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. Australian is the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first South China Sea, then Malacca Straits and Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much about the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Don't believe the story ? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils ? Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges. "


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6037068/1/#241

[Neuro]

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile America has engaged assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
hahaha, best covert way of getting equipment from Afghanistan to China, would be via Malaysia? Not via the pretty much lawless and Taliban smuggler infested northern Pakistan, with its Karakoram Highway which goes across the Khunjerab pass into Western China? LOL

[Glass]

yes makes for a good narrative. All the evidence points to diego garcia. The initial reports put the flight path in that direction. Then they just added a northwest flick as an alternative route. Half truth. Then the Malaysians let the cat out. Then it was squashed and retracted. Then it was slipped again. You could see the pressure being applied to them. Contradiction after contradiction.

In the end the malaysians just clammed up and said it was all top secret. Top Secret means a government did it.

[midnight rambler]

In the end the malaysians just clammed up and said it was all top secret. Top Secret means a government did it.

Bingo.

[JohnQPublic]

Role of Israel and Soros Exposed by MH370 Twin Jet in Tel Aviv (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/27/role-of-israel-and-soros-exposed-by-mh370-twin-jet-in-tel-aviv/)
"BANGKOK – It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel’s embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a “strike by diplomatic staff”. This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers."

[Serpo]

http://www.rense.com/

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/ft3703splsh.jpg

[Serpo]

Missing Malaysia Airlines jet: AirAsia pilot suspended for claiming Kuala Lumpur is 'hiding facts' Date March 28, 2014 - 2:47PM








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The Search for MH370 (http://www.smh.com.au/world/malaysia-airlines-search-for-mh370)

Kuala Lumpur: A senior AirAsia pilot has been suspended for suggesting in a Facebook post Malaysian authorities have been “hiding facts” about the disappearance of MH370.
“The supposed debris…isn’t even confirmed to be from the plane yet! Show us the proof and then tell us MH370 has crashed,” wrote the pilot from the Kuala Lumpur-based airline.
http://images.smh.com.au/2014/03/28/5301971/1395971804133.jpg-620x349.jpg The pilot of MH370, Zaharie Hamad Shah, in an image from a YouTube tribute video released by his family.

“Till then stop hiding the facts! It’s obvious even to a blind man that there are tons of info the government definitely knows and isn’t sharing yet!,” he wrote.
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AirAsia’s chief executive officer Tony Fernandes tweeted the senior first officer who he did not name had been suspended pending an investigation.
The suspension came as other Malaysian pilots rushed to defend the missing Malaysia Airlines' senior pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah who has been accused by unnamed sources quoted in international newspapers as being responsible for the plane’s disappearance and deaths of all 239 people on board.
“Everyone is innocent until proven guilty…I can fully vouch for them (all MH370 crew members, 100 percent,” said a senior Malaysia Airlines pilot, speaking on the condition of anonymity.
Another commercial pilot told the New Straits Times newspaper the media should not publish speculation.
“It’s a big no no for the media to publish assumptions without firm evidence as this will not only affect family members of victims but also cause anxiety among the people,” said the pilot, who also did not want his name published.
“The public’s confidence in MAS (Malaysia Airlines) could deteriorate,” he said.
“We need to find the flight data recorder or black box, to know the truth. They (the media) can publish speculations but doing so can unduly and negatively affect everyone’s perception towards Malaysia and MAS.”
Malaysia Airlines chief executive Ahmad Jauhari Yahya has also defended Captain Zaharie, saying his record over more than 30 years with the company, flying 18,000 hours, was “exemplary.”
“There are no records which are out of order,” Mr Ahmad Jauhari said.
Asked by a BBC reporter if Captain Zaharie flew the plane into the sea, Mr Ahmad Jauhari replied: “We don’t know.”
Azil Abdul Rahman, the founder and former chief executive officer of Malaysia Airlines, said he has known Captain Zaharie since he was a cadet pilot 30 years ago.
“He is an excellent pilot and is also an excellent gentleman…I think they are going the wrong way pointing the finger at him,” Mr Azil said.
Mr Azail also defended 27 year-old co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid.
“His father learnt the Koran by heart and he also learnt the Koran by heart – he was a good Muslim,” he said.
The pro-government New Straits Times in a news report said several newspapers including the Sydney Morning Herald and the United Kingdom’s The Daily Express have published articles alluding to the fact that 53 year-old Captain Zaharie was the only person who could have pulled off the complicated manoeuvre leading to the crash.
In an editorial the New Straits Times accused international media of snatching “every piece of possible hearsay and gossip to produce sensationalist copies thought to sell best, with a public driven to boredom and looking for gratuitous adrenaline rushes.”
The editorial said that as a result Malaysia’s leaders have had to pay a high price despite that a “small country was thrust into a maelstrom of unparalleled proportions, and she has done well.”



Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/missing-malaysia-airlines-jet-airasia-pilot-suspended-for-claiming-kuala-lumpur-is-hiding-facts-20140328-zqnzf.html#ixzz2xHyyACKR

[Santa]

Role of Israel and Soros Exposed by MH370 Twin Jet in Tel Aviv (http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/27/role-of-israel-and-soros-exposed-by-mh370-twin-jet-in-tel-aviv/)
"BANGKOK – It is by no mere coincidence, when telltale evidence of a Mossad role in the MH370 hijack was starting to snowball, that Israel’s embassies and consulates were suddenly shut down due to a “strike by diplomatic staff”. This fork-tongued alibi was obviously meant to prevent law enforcement agencies across Asia and the Western world from questioning Israeli intelligence agents and military attaches about the whereabouts and fate of the hundreds of passengers."

Wow! That's a good article. Especially since it's on Veterans Today... Maybe the Zionist bastards really are finally being smoked out?

[Bigjon]

Wow! That's a good article. Especially since it's on Veterans Today... Maybe the Zionist bastards really are finally being smoked out?

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too hot or too bad or too wrong???

[MNeagle]

Wow! That's a good article. Especially since it's on Veterans Today... Maybe the Zionist bastards really are finally being smoked out?

Take VT w/ a grain of salt: http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?64885-Gordon-Duff-of-Veterans-Today-Admits-To-Writing-40-False-Information&highlight=veteran%27s+today

[mick silver]

the plane NEVER left the ground .... just wait an see . was never seen leaving MALAYSIA . was not in MALAYSIA that day

[Glass]

the plane NEVER left the ground .... just wait an see . was never seen leaving MALAYSIA . was not in MALAYSIA that day

Sometimes when family go to the airport to see of their friend/relatives they will go to the observation deck to watch the plane take off. Not saying its 100%. I think it's 50/50 the plane took off. The initial reports of it being spotted heading toward Mauritius seemed pretty credible because they were made before the info controls started being applied. I think the second plane parked up since November is a nagging issue.

[JohnQPublic]

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too hot or too bad or too wrong???

This article by Gordon Duff: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/03/27/flight-370-the-cia-hoax-gordon-duff/

In the comments, they talk about the twin plane. The now missing article also talked about it.

Frank Dialogue (https://www.facebook.com/frank.dialogue) · Top Commenter · Rutgers University (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Rutgers-University/515205805162248)An exact double of the Malaysian plane was delivered to Tel Aviv, late in 2013, by a company called called GA Telesis LLD, headquartered in Ft. Lauderdale Florida, home of many 'holocaust survivors'. The CEO of the company, Abdol Moabery, formerly headed a company owned by Geprge Soros.

Obviously, this confirms that the CIA is heading the operation. [---)

[Spectrism]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFvF4d7g0b4

Connect a few dots with this.

[Serpo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFvF4d7g0b4

Connect a few dots with this.


Ive never seen so many dots.....this plane


Saw a new trident today ....at a kids new play ground in full view of the main road..........

[Serpo]

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[JohnQPublic]

http://youtu.be/UZhSmYAvugU

[JohnQPublic]

OopsQ Crucial radar malfunctioning:

Crucial Radar Outage Scrubs US National Security and SpaceX Launches for Several Weeks from Cape Canaveral
"The sudden and unexpected outage of a crucial tracking radar that is mandatory to insure public safety, has forced the scrub of a pair of launches planned for this week from Cape Canaveral, FL, that are vital to US National Security (http://www.universetoday.com/110450/us-air-force-space-surveillance-satellite-bumps-nasas-long-awaited-orion-launch-to-dec-2014/), United Launch Alliance, SpaceX (http://www.universetoday.com/110326/spacex-resets-space-station-launch-with-revolutionary-rocket-legs-and-robonaut-legs-to-march-30/) and NASA."

Read more: http://www.universetoday.com/110758/crucial-radar-outage-scrubs-us-national-security-and-spacex-launches-for-several-weeks-from-cape-canaveral/ (http://www.universetoday.com/110758/crucial-radar-outage-scrubs-us-national-security-and-spacex-launches-for-several-weeks-from-cape-canaveral/#ixzz2xKGpt8oj)

[mick silver]

i still think there was two planes , the one they are looking for has never left the ground it park in are so called friends back yard

[Serpo]

Malaysia says there's sealed evidence on MH370 that cannot be made public (http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html) 08:53 News (http://www.newsforage.com/search/label/News) 2 comments (http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html#comment-form)

A Malaysian team have told relatives of Chinese passengers on board the missing Malaysia Airlines (MAS) flight MH370 that there was sealed evidence that cannot be made public, as they came under fire from the angry relatives at a briefing on Wednesday.
The sealed evidence included air traffic control radio transcript, radar data and airport security recordings.
The briefing at the Metropark Lido Hotel in Beijing focused on UK satellite analysis which led Malaysia to conclude that flight MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean, off Perth.
The Chinese relatives were told that a five-member high-level team from Malaysia plans to brief them once every five days. The team include MAS pilot Lim Jit Koon and senior civil aviation official Ahmad Nizar Zolfakar.
During the question-and-answer session, a relative said: "Thanks for demonstrating your ability to read every word out of the powerpoint slides."
Another asked: "If the info is from UK satellite firm Inmarsat, does it mean the Malaysia team cannot answer our questions on the MH370 analysis?"
Faced with the barrage of questions from the angry relatives, the MAS team replied: "We can answer but we might not be correct as we're not the investigators":
They said Malaysia had requested for the British experts to join them for the briefing in Beijing but the latter declined.
They assured the relatives that the search and rescue operations for the plane have been stepped up but the hunt has been challenging as the search area is huge.
The Malaysian government and MAS have been criticised for their handling of the disappearance of MH370 on March 8. They have been accused of being slow in disseminating information and not revealing everything about the incident.
Prime Minister Najib Razak said on Monday night that based on latest UK data analysis, the plane had gone down in a remote part of the southern Indian Ocean.
"We demand you retract announcement that MH370 ended in south Indian Ocean and continue search-and-rescue operations,'' one relative said at the briefing.
Some family representatives targeted Malaysian envoy Iskandar Sarudin, asking him: "You expect us to accept a report you cannot defend?"
"No comment,'' said Mr Iskandar.
He again declined to comment when asked "how do you expect us to feel friendly towards Malaysia?"
Upset by the response from the Malaysia team, a relative said: "You have once again left us speechless!"
Wednesday's briefing was the first time the media were allowed to attend.
The relatives also accused MAS of not providing enough assistance to them.
"Two-thirds of MH370 passengers are Chinese but only 50 caregivers?" asked a relative.
An airline official explained that they have had problem finding volunteers to help out.
When asked why the MAS office at the hotel was closed on Tuesday, the MAS officials said they were advised by the Chinese government not to be there given the tense mood among the relatives.
http://www.newsforage.com/2014/03/malaysia-says-theres-sealed-evidence-on.html

[Serpo]

Hopes dashed in search for missing flight MH370 as three objects retrieved from Southern Indian Ocean by Chinese ship revealed to be floating rubbish

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2592150/Chinese-aircraft-spots-three-suspicious-red-white-orange-objects-new-search-zone-Indian-Ocean-scoured-second-day.html#ixzz2xOeGPebR

[Cebu_4_2]

I just read it broke up above the Pacific Ocean and landed in California earlier!

Can't find the link.

[Dogman]

One thing very neat compared to the past, which I do believe has made some so called 'actors' think twice or more is today's tech. And the knowledge of dam near instant world wide showing of what is. Or what is stored in micro memory chips, that can hold data for dam near forever and are sealed so well. The sealing was originally to keep/slow down the computation from backwards engineering.

Dam I love/hate real mystery's. Probably some day the real truth will come out, even then some will never believe..

Conspiracy is so much better fun and better than , reality. (posibilitys are endless)


What makes me wonder, as in the past , what in the hell is happening else where, while all media is humping (sex) this story?

Watch my left hand, while my right is _____________ Have fun!

[osoab]

Has Jim Stone jumped the shark? Phones up behinds and such.



(http://jimstonefreelance.com/phillipwood.html)BLOCKBUSTER: THIS IS ACCURATE AND NOW 100 PERCENT CONFIRMED: HIJACKED IBM ENGINEER SUCCESSFULLY DIALED OUT OF DIEGO GARCIA (http://jimstonefreelance.com/phillipwood.html)



PERMALINK

(http://jimstonefreelance.com/ibmengineer.html) RUSH UPDATE: The story below is NOW CONFIRMED 100 PERCENT TRUE.

The blindfold: The man claimed to be blindfolded when he sent the message. When the American military blindfolds someone, it is accomplished by putting a bag over the head that is locked so you can't get it off. This left the engineers hands free. This would have made it possible for him to pull his Iphone 5 (a fact confirmed by the Exif data) out of his butt as stated, and use the voice command ability of the Iphone to just talk to it to log in and post the message. This explains why he sent a black photo, he could not see what he was sending, he just knew he snapped a photo and sent whatever got taken.
The coordinates:When the coordinates are added to the fact that the photo's exif data does not match the Google coordinates or any other coordinates for Diego Garcia that are posted online, but is still within the boundaries of Diego Garcia, it proves that no one just pulled those coordinates off the web. It helps confirm that this was not just a hoax because the coordinates are exact to wherever on Diego Garcia the Iphone was when it took the photo.

ORIGINAL POST FOLLOWS:

IBM ENGINEER TAKEN FROM HIJACKED FLIGHT 370 GOT A SELFIE OUT TO THE INTERNET.

http://jimstonefreelance.com/1395192158752.jpgThis image, which appears black was posted as taken in a dark cell by an IBM engineer. The picture is black because the cell was too dark, but a critical piece of information was embedded in the Exif data, the coordinates to Diego Garcia, where the picture was taken. And it's real, this is NOT a hoax. The coordinates in the picture indicate that the photo was taken within 3 miles of what Google officially gives for Diego Garcia. It is NOT EXACTLY what comes up on Google. It is off a couple miles, so NO ONE GOOGLED THIS, thus helping to confirm it's authenticity. I don't know how big the island is, but if it has a runway, that certainly fits. The picture posted with the following text: "I have been held hostage by unknown military personal after my flight was hijacked (blindfolded). I work for IBM and I have managed to hide my cellphone in my ass during the hijack. I have been separated from the rest of the passengers and I am in a cell. My name is Philip Wood. I think I have been drugged as well and cannot think clearly."

ASTEROID IMPACT LEVEL UPDATE: SCAMMERS ARE SAYING THERE NEVER WAS A PHILLIP WOOD WORKING FOR IBM. BUT HIS LINKDIN DESTROYS THAT LIE AND CONFIRMS THE STORY:

Image Exif data: THE SMOKING GUN

The Exif is intact. Exif data gets embedded in every image by every camera and includes the circumstances under which the photo was taken. It can be viewed by saving the image to your desktop, and then right clicking it and selecting image properties. Hit the details tab. You can see that the image was taken on March 18 with an Iphone 5, with the ISO at 3200 and a shutter of 1/15. The coordinates are included in the exif data because the Iphone knows where it is, and the coordinates are for Diego Garcia. THE FIRST TIME A BLANK PHOTO SAID IT ALL. Exif can't be rewritten with common software, it can only be added to in fields such as image credits with some advanced applications applications. It can be erased as well but NOT CHANGED. Photos with the exif intact will hold up in court. If the Exif is hacked and this is not real, the CIA or a really good hacker did this, which I doubt, I'd say it's probably real.
Surrounding this story is the fact that the man who managed to get this information to Farganne (forum member Glitch) was harassed and received many threatening voice mails over it, that is another piece of evidence pointing to this as being real. One thing is certain, once it's posted here on this site the genie is OUT OF THE BOTTLE. I cannot stress how important it is that the GPS coordinates in the photo do not perfectly match what Google says and are not posted anywhere on the web, because it proves that the source of those coordinates did not come from google or Wikipedia, they really did come from the imaging device and it HAD TO be at Diego Garcia when it took the photo.



rest at link.

[Horn]

think it would be able to be brightened enhanced to show atleast something...

[Serpo]

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[Serpo]

DEAR U.S. ARMED FORCES: THE GAME IS OVER. RETURN FLIGHT 370 TO MALAYSIA AIRLINES, RETURN THE PEOPLE TO THEIR FAMILIES, AND SEND PHILLIP WOOD HOME. You have been BUSTED!!!
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[Glass]

can you get a cell phone signal out of Garcia? It's pretty isolated. What ever comms are there are going to be routed via Military pathways. Would it be possible to make a call? Maybe they have a cell tower service there that hooks into main stream telecomms? It was an Iphone? I guess it's small enough to conceal that way? Not going to change anything though so if it's real that guy is now in a serious mess.

[midnight rambler]

If there are commercial cell towers in Diego Garcia then considering that all the natives were forcibly relocated a few years ago then the only use for commercial cell towers would be military personnel so I would think anything coming out of Diego Garcia would definitely be monitored. I doubt this story is true.

[Serpo]

http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-diegogarcia.html

(http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-diegogarcia.html)How to call a Diego Garcian mobile phone from United States. Dial the following international mobile code:
011 + 246 + Mobile Code** + The Number

http://www.countrycallingcodes.com/mobile/mobile-codes.php?callfrom=United+States&callto=Diego+Garcia
(http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-diegogarcia.html)

[midnight rambler]

http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-diegogarcia.html

(http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-diegogarcia.html)How to call a Diego Garcian mobile phone from United States.

Dial the following international mobile code:
011 + 246 + Mobile Code** + The Number

http://www.countrycallingcodes.com/mobile/mobile-codes.php?callfrom=United+States&callto=Diego+Garcia
(http://www.cellularabroad.com/packages-diegogarcia.html)

The only civilians allowed on Diego Garcia are employees of military contractors and the respective govts. -


Between 1971 and 2001, the only residents on Diego Garcia were UK and United States military personnel and civilian employees of those countries. These included contract employees from the Philippines (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippines) and Mauritius, including some Ilois.[48] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#cite_note-48) During the combat operations from the atoll against Afghanistan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29) (2001–2006) and Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War) (2003–2006), a number of allied militaries were based on the island including Australian,[49] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#cite_note-49) Japanese and the Republic of Korea.[50] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#cite_note-50) According to David Vine, "Today, at any given time, 3,000 to 5,000 U.S. troops and civilian support staff live on the island."[51] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#cite_note-51) The inhabitants today do not rely on the island and the surrounding waters for sustenance. Although some recreational fishing for consumption is permitted, all other food is shipped in by sea or air.[52] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_Garcia#cite_note-52)


Do you *really* think that any captors would happen to overlook someone's cell phone, i.e. they wouldn't be strip-searched for it before placing them in a holding cell? That makes no sense. Diego Garcia is a completely controlled environment, I just don't see how anyone could 1) 'hide' a fair sized cell phone up their ass while being held by captors who would SURELY be looking for a cell phone and 2) get any messages, voice or text, past the control grid/total communication monitoring there on Diego Garcia, ESPECIALLY during some spook operation going down like the hijacking of a 777 on an international flight. IF Diego Garcia was utilized for the hijacking of MH370 you can bet that there would be 'NO LEAKS' of any such activity.

Someone would have to have some mighty big asscheeks to 'hide' an Iphone up their ass.

[Glass]

Does some one want to call them and ask for this guy? You never know. As a cover you could just checking a chinese takeout order?

[midnight rambler]

This is my favorite pet theory and the one that makes the most sense to me (until I get more info which causes me to change my mind):

MH370 has hacked/remote take control for the purpose(s) of kidnapping or eliminating someone or some group and/or hijacking or eliminating OR absconding with some cargo and/or hijacking the aircraft for some later use OR as cover for some later use (e.g. the twin 777 the tribe allegedly has in Tel Aviv) - or some combination of all the above since the Death Cult always pursues multiple objectives when doing this sort of thing. It was intentional, very intelligently done and executed with precision (like the programming of the waypoints into the flight management system right before or after the turn to the southwest) with zero loose ends (at least so far) - much like the false flags we've seen. I think the Capt. and FO had nothing to do with it and were helpless to do anything once there was remote take control in effect. It has all the indications of being done by some country's (or countries') spook agency, since there are ZERO indications of ANY demise. And IF there was a crash at sea you'd think SOMETHING would have been found by now as there'd be no shortage of stuff that would float indefinitely. As one pilot who was interviewed said: "If I was going to steal a plane that's exactly where I would have done it." - that TWO MINUTE window in the hand-off between two countries' ATC. And imo the Malaysians have come to the same conclusion based on all the information they've accumulated thus their 'official narrative' that the flight of MH370 ended 'at sea' in the south Indian Ocean (seeing as how shortly after the Malaysian govt. came out with 'the official narrative' that the flight splashed in the south Indian Ocean at least one Malaysian official got in front of the cameras and said, "We're holding out hope against hope that we find survivors.").

[midnight rambler]

"Actually there's no evidence that points to a crash."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1zNy-5ESos&amp;feature=youtu.be

[Neuro]

The only civilians allowed on Diego Garcia are employees of military contractors and the respective govts. -



Do you *really* think that any captors would happen to overlook someone's cell phone, i.e. they wouldn't be strip-searched for it before placing them in a holding cell? That makes no sense. Diego Garcia is a completely controlled environment, I just don't see how anyone could 1) 'hide' a fair sized cell phone up their ass while being held by captors who would SURELY be looking for a cell phone and 2) get any messages, voice or text, past the control grid/total communication monitoring there on Diego Garcia, ESPECIALLY during some spook operation going down like the hijacking of a 777 on an international flight. IF Diego Garcia was utilized for the hijacking of MH370 you can bet that there would be 'NO LEAKS' of any such activity.

Someone would have to have some mighty big asscheeks to 'hide' an Iphone up their ass.
Good points. It doesn't sound very likely, IMO. It could actually be disinfo to discredit the notion of the plane going to Diego Garcia. Since the Australians admitted that their wild goose trail was false. I think it is likely that Diego Garcia would at least come out as a possibility. This could be an excuse for MSM not to write about it now...

[PatColo]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Santa http://gold-silver.us/forum/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?p=700629#post700629)

Wow! That's a good article. Especially since it's on Veterans Today... Maybe the Zionist bastards really are finally being smoked out?

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too hot or too bad or too wrong???

still @ Rense,
by Yoichi Shimatsu Role of Israel and Soros Exposed by MH370 Twin Jet in Tel Aviv (http://rense.com/general96/role.html)