Anarchist at CPAC 2014 - Part 1

[iOWNme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIlgvHDrflA

[Ares]

I've been to that convention center. It's in Washington DC at the Gaylord Resort.

It's actually one of the smaller convention centers that Gaylord owns.

http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/wasgn-gaylord-national-resort-and-convention-center/

[Hatha Sunahara]

THe last guy she interviewed made a good argument about why a voluntarist society is impracticable. There will always be some who are good at organizing and will organize the bullies to force their will on others. Which is what we have now.

Hatha

[Horn]

She should have asked if the nation's policing force should be granted any weapons in excess of it civilians.

[iOWNme]

THe last guy she interviewed made a good argument about why a voluntarist society is impracticable. There will always be some who are good at organizing and will organize the bullies to force their will on others. Which is what we have now.

Hatha

I found his argument to be irrational and self contradictory. You cant say without a gang of violent criminals we would be over run by a gang of violent criminals and call this a 'good' argument.

He is saying that the big & strong will rule the weak. Which is EXACTLY what 'Government' is, so his argument is that of a child who does not comprehend the actual issues at hand. Do you know why he thingks this? Because he knows that I CAN NOT RULE OVER HIM. In other words, he IMAGINES that he is something else other than just a human, and thinks that he does not have to live by the same rules that we do. This is inherent in ALL 'Politicians', because they have been told that they are aove everyone else. Remember what happened in the Milgram experiment when someone was convinced they had the moral right to rule over others? It DESTROYS their own humanity and they become MONSTERS. Wont these same big and strong people get into positions of power through 'Government'? Will they be able to do more damage on their own, or throught 'Government'? Whats to stop them?

Remember, good natured well meaning individuals DO NOT SEEK POWER OVER OTHERS. That is left for the narcsissistic sociopaths who have no empathy or comapssion. So instead of dealing with just average bad guys, who we could EASILY defeat on our own, we end up being run by the WORST possible people in 'society' because it is they who seek to dominate and control others. No good man would EVER run for any type of 'office'.

There are only two tyoes of people on this planet: One who understands and respects that I OWN MYSELF, and one who IMAGINES that i do not.

Most people point to problems that exist now; As CREATED by various 'Governments' and their creations 'Corporations'; as some sort of proof that without them we would be starving and enslaved. It is circular logic.

She interviewed some big names and she is releasing the vids later this week....Should be interesting. I also thought it was interesting how all of the guys were so nice and open to her message. You can watch these exact same videos, made by men, and their asnwers they get are usually rude and angry. When a pretty young girl points out inconsistancies in these guys views, they find it hard for themselves to get angry and insult her, so they must actually try and reason their stance, which ALWAYS falls on its face because their belief system is as contradictory as a square chicken egg.

[Horn]

You can watch these exact same videos, made by men, and their asnwers they get are usually rude and angry. When a pretty young girl points out inconsistancies in these guys views, they find it hard for themselves to get angry and insult her, so they must actually try and reason their stance, which ALWAYS falls on its face because their belief system is as contradictory as a square chicken egg.

I didn't see anyone failing on their stance in the video, did you?

Most said the system worked until corrupted after WWII, when the people were placed on a pedestal above the rest of the world they failed to react properly to the corruption of Constitution. Some say it goes as far back to the civil war.

Fact is if there are flaws in the Constitution they've been left to worsen, as it permits revision. Or the only revisions that have taken place are those that permit more flaws away from it.

Reason why you won't see any revisions for a century is that revision allows for credence.

[Jewboo]

I also thought it was interesting how all of the guys were so nice and open to her message. You can watch these exact same videos, made by men, and their asnwers they get are usually rude and angry. When a pretty young girl points out inconsistancies in these guys views, they find it hard for themselves to get angry and insult her...





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About our 2nd Amendment guys...

[Ares]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8089/inflating3.gif
About our 2nd Amendment guys...


Did Jewboo write something? I'm kind of dazed by the Gif. :D

[Horn]

Is that photo-gif chopped, Ares?

Appears a little over reactive in the upper protuberant regions.

[Ares]

Is that photo-gif chopped, Ares?

Appears a little over reactive in the upper protuberant regions.

Looks like a little extra was added to her ummmm upper protuberant regions. Especially when it pans to the side. Looks like she's naturally a 34 DD, then you get some additional added as the gif pans out.

[Horn]

Looks like a little extra was added to her ummmm upper protuberant regions. Especially when it pans to the side. Looks like she's naturally a 34 DD, then you get some additional added as the gif pans out.

Benefits of the digital age,

[iOWNme]

I didn't see anyone failing on their stance in the video, did you?


Yes i most certainly did. Every single argument for 'Government' is a contradiction in of itself. Ive pointed them out numerous times, but i realize you do not agree. Yet you STILL keep replying to my threads. Im not sure why? You have PLENTY of posts i could troll, but i choose not to.



Most said the system worked until corrupted after WWII, when the people were placed on a pedestal above the rest of the world they failed to react properly to the corruption of Constitution. Some say it goes as far back to the civil war.

These are the contradictions i am talking about. Was there an income tax (Slavery) before WWII? Who did this 'system' work for?




Fact is if there are flaws in the Constitution they've been left to worsen, as it permits revision.


I would say that giving a group of men the power to tax (plunder) is a 'flaw'. I would say giving a group of men the power to start War (murder) is a 'flaw'. I would say giving a group of men the right to steal private property (eminent domain) is a 'flaw'. I woulsd say giving a group of men the right to conscript (kidnap) is a 'flaw'.

Do you you see these same 'flaws'?

[iOWNme]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/8089/inflating3.gif
About our 2nd Amendment guys...




What are YOU so afraid of?

[mick silver]

am afraid of what i would do to those two puppys

[iOWNme]

Did Jewboo write something? I'm kind of dazed by the Gif. :D


Do you think 'evil Jews' use Pornography to degenerate and distract people away from the things that matter?

In other words, if you were engaged in a conversation discussing different ideas that were absolutely detrimental to these 'evil Jews' do you think they would try and use Pornography as a way to distract your mind?

[Horn]

Do you think 'evil Jews' use Pornography to degenerate and distract people away from the things that matter?

They also go around calling others trolls and complaining they have a hard life when they can't get their way.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4sQI8Evfhc

iOWNme wants to start a riot tonight at 8pm.

[iOWNme]

They also go around calling others trolls and complaining they have a hard life when they can't get their way.

So you dont troll my posts? Disagreeing is one thing, but you CONSTANTLY troll my threads. I do not even come close to doing the same thing to you and you know it. If you make a thread im not interested in i dont fucking reply! When i make a thread you can not help yourself but to make snarky comments almost daily. Either use the intellect i know you have, or grow up.

Hard life? LOL I mean i do work pretty hard everyday, but ive never even brought it up on this forum? LOL


Back on topic,

So you agree with the last guys analogy that if we dont have a 'Government' we will be over run by the strongest among us? Or did i misunderstand?

[Horn]

Bologna 2 threads ago you were pleading for reply over the snarky.

And when u get something you can retort in anarchistic fashion you catch a hissy fit.

I realize you have an inkling on how anarchy may work, I too were in the same shoes at one point.

[Ares]

Do you think 'evil Jews' use Pornography to degenerate and distract people away from the things that matter?

In other words, if you were engaged in a conversation discussing different ideas that were absolutely detrimental to these 'evil Jews' do you think they would try and use Pornography as a way to distract your mind?

Of course, oldest trick in the book. Distraction. :)

[Horn]

So you agree with the last guys analogy that if we dont have a 'Government' we will be over run by the strongest among us? Or did i misunderstand?

Its neither here nor there, the crux is how to protect rights agreed upon that we do have as individuals.

Without Government explicitly defining what they are, there won't be any.

In the distant past it was the priest, today it is the politician.

How we bring and keep them at our level is our responsibility, that level being the human one...

[singular_me]

I'd agree with that... IF education remains much of the same. For Anarchy to work out we must leave everything - current social models and structures, ideals - behind and rely on *universal synchronicity*. I have witnessed this many times in my own life, every time I thought I was stuck or worse, doomed, events take a new turn. :)


THe last guy she interviewed made a good argument about why a voluntarist society is impracticable. There will always be some who are good at organizing and will organize the bullies to force their will on others. Which is what we have now.

Hatha

[singular_me]

Dear respectable Horn :)

It is impossible to design a flawless system because perfection does not exist, and if it so, it is with a purpose, that of being able to expand intellectually and spiritually, stagnation is death ensured. Think of Yin-Yang symbol. The dots indicate that too much evil leads to 'enough is enough' and too much positive leads to laziness, which is a capital sin in Christianity by the way. What I am talking of now is a Universal Law which we canNOT change. That is why Francis Bacon, a freemason, once said: To conquer Nature you must first obey it.

Since we cant have perfection, we have two possibilities: either those who write the laws cannot foresee everything and later on are accused of being ignorant... OR ... 'constitutionalists" will leave plenty of loopholes to serve themselves... OUTCOME: either way, this causes the demise of a system

we definitely are dealing with an emergency situation and the duty to face **Reality** as it truly is.

I think the Founding Fathers, freemasons, knew that the Constitution would fail. The evidence lies in the fact that I have been trying to offer a different approach for years on GSUS and all I got is 'bashing' most of the time... if one really wants to free the world from this great evil, what THEY know will have to be mastered one way or another. Sorry, thats the way it is. There is nothing out there but unbiased Knowledge to save Mankind from itself. Any form of bias is working against US and will delay the end of global Serfdom. Where is HT, when we need her (she is a woman)???

Most people have an aversion for Nature, because they feel restricted, but it is only when going through the frustrations of being restricted that... bingo, something extraordinary happens.

Always remember, fighting something you cannot change is futile :)



Fact is if there are flaws in the Constitution they've been left to worsen, as it permits revision. Or the only revisions that have taken place are those that permit more flaws away from it. Thats the core issue with laws, they are restrictive, hence mean to be broken.

Reason why you won't see any revisions for a century is that revision allows for credence.

[Ares]

I'd say you could replace all of Congress, the Senate, the President, and Supreme Court with a Python script....

[Horn]

Dearest respectable Goldie,

Of course everything ages and dies, great and wise things hopefully with grace, respect. Neither of which seem bountiful enough in the current atmosphere to tread anywhere near putting the U.S. Constitution to death.

And iffen your alter-anarchic-utopia makes itself available into the noosphere anytime soon it won't even be proposed of by anyone, it will just become or grow the natural way as if you've suddenly found fresh green grass sprouting beneath and between your toes.

Not by magic mind you, but by no other way.

[singular_me]

Reality IS utopia :)


Dearest respectable Goldie,

Of course everything ages and dies, great and wise things hopefully with grace, respect. Neither of which seem bountiful enough in the current atmosphere to tread anywhere near putting the U.S. Constitution to death.

And iffen your alter-anarchic-utopia makes itself available into the noosphere anytime soon it won't even be proposed of by anyone, it will just become or grow the natural way as if you've suddenly found fresh green grass sprouting beneath and between your toes.

Not by magic mind you, but by no other way.

[mick silver]

you guys with kids how this going to work out with anarchistic ?

[singular_me]

Thanks for saying this... sexual distraction is the NWO tool #1... everything starts with self-control.



Do you think 'evil Jews' use Pornography to degenerate and distract people away from the things that matter?

In other words, if you were engaged in a conversation discussing different ideas that were absolutely detrimental to these 'evil Jews' do you think they would try and use Pornography as a way to distract your mind?

[Jewboo]

Thanks for saying this... sexual distraction is the NWO tool #1...



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:rolleyes:

[Hatha Sunahara]

I found his argument to be irrational and self contradictory. You cant say without a gang of violent criminals we would be over run by a gang of violent criminals and call this a 'good' argument.

He is saying that the big & strong will rule the weak. Which is EXACTLY what 'Government' is, so his argument is that of a child who does not comprehend the actual issues at hand. Do you know why he thingks this? Because he knows that I CAN NOT RULE OVER HIM. In other words, he IMAGINES that he is something else other than just a human, and thinks that he does not have to live by the same rules that we do. This is inherent in ALL 'Politicians', because they have been told that they are aove everyone else. Remember what happened in the Milgram experiment when someone was convinced they had the moral right to rule over others? It DESTROYS their own humanity and they become MONSTERS. Wont these same big and strong people get into positions of power through 'Government'? Will they be able to do more damage on their own, or throught 'Government'? Whats to stop them?

Remember, good natured well meaning individuals DO NOT SEEK POWER OVER OTHERS. That is left for the narcsissistic sociopaths who have no empathy or comapssion. So instead of dealing with just average bad guys, who we could EASILY defeat on our own, we end up being run by the WORST possible people in 'society' because it is they who seek to dominate and control others. No good man would EVER run for any type of 'office'.

There are only two tyoes of people on this planet: One who understands and respects that I OWN MYSELF, and one who IMAGINES that i do not.

Most people point to problems that exist now; As CREATED by various 'Governments' and their creations 'Corporations'; as some sort of proof that without them we would be starving and enslaved. It is circular logic.

She interviewed some big names and she is releasing the vids later this week....Should be interesting. I also thought it was interesting how all of the guys were so nice and open to her message. You can watch these exact same videos, made by men, and their asnwers they get are usually rude and angry. When a pretty young girl points out inconsistancies in these guys views, they find it hard for themselves to get angry and insult her, so they must actually try and reason their stance, which ALWAYS falls on its face because their belief system is as contradictory as a square chicken egg.

I missed the circularity of his argument. I watched it again, and noticed that he implied that government was there to prevent big strong (bullies) like him from dominating other people. Does government protect anybody? Also that government should be kept focused on liberty, which is the purpose of government. I can see the contradiction there. Government's purpose is to 'enforce the will of the legislature' (and the will of the executive and the judiciary as well) which is de facto an assault on the liberty of those who are governed.

I still have to work on reflexively dismissing all arguments coming from statists. Politicians working in this system all subscribe to the idea that it is legitimate for them to have power over you and me. For that reason, I don't need them, and I can't see any reason why anyone else does either. I'll retract my earlier post. This guy does not have a good argument why anarchism is impracticable.


Hatha

[Horn]

If you need another reason for the Constitution other than protection for and definition of the individual's rights, look at the resultant U.S. under the Articles of Confederation before it.

Or conversely try living behind the current Chinese internet firewall (as that's most likely where you'll end up) iOWNme would've been in a dog cage somewhere by now if we were posting in Chinese.

[iOWNme]

Its neither here nor there, the crux is how to protect rights agreed upon that we do have as individuals.

So i only have the rights that are 'agreed' upon? WHO is 'agreeing' on the rights that I have as an individual?



Without Government explicitly defining what they are, there won't be any.

WTF? So now 'Government' is the one to define what my rights as an individual are? Have 'Governments' protected more rights or destroyed more rights?



How we bring and keep them at our level is our responsibility, that level being the human one...


So just by the act of me being born in a certain place, means i now have some responsibility to try and stop gangs of criminals using the 'political system'? If this is your position, i should be able to use this same scenario in other situations to see if your premise is correct.....

Example: if i came to your home with 10 guys to steal your stuff and kill your family, would you deem it perfectly reasonable to write me a letter asking me nicely to stop it? Would you find it perfectly reasonable to 'petition' me and my gang to try and make us stop? Would you find it perfectly reasonable to blame yourself for not being able to control me and my gang through scribbles on paper? How can you not see how insane this sounds?

[iOWNme]

If you need another reason for the Constitution other than protection for and definition of the individual's rights, look at the resultant U.S. under the Articles of Confederation before it.

How were black people treated under these 'Articles of Confederation'? How were woman treated under these 'Articles of Confederation'? Are black people and woman not HUMAN enough for you?


Or conversely try living behind the current Chinese internet firewall (as that's most likely where you'll end up) iOWNme would've been in a dog cage somewhere by now if we were posting in Chinese.

Your pointing to one of the most oppressive GOVERNMENTS to try and justify why we need a 'Government'? How many contradictions do you have rolling around up there? The Chinese have LESS people in prison than America does. LOL Your statism BLINDS you young grasshopper....

Under the current statism model (which you advocate for), i have a massive network of friends, preppers, hunters, gunsmiths, gardeners, etc all at my disposal because of the type of person i am. What makes you think this network wouldnt be 10 times larger without a 'Government'? Which means i have all the protection i could ever need.

[Horn]

WTF? So now 'Government' is the one to define what my rights as an individual are?
Precisely, a necessary evil to define and protect from the inevitable vice of others what your natural rights are.

http://pinkmonkey.com/dl/library1/sense.pdf