13 Days in Jail for a Pocketknife in a School Parking Lot

[Cebu_4_2]

He’s 18 and Spent 13 Days in Jail for a Pocketknife in a School Parking Lot — and The Story Only Gets Crazier From There
Mar. 12, 2014 11:02am Dave Urbanski (http://www.theblaze.com/author/daveurbanski/)

Meet Jordan Wiser, a high school senior you might call an overachiever.
Enrolled in an Ohio vocational-technical school, Wiser was taking Firefighter 2 and EMT courses to bolster his dream of future public service.


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Jordan Wiser (Image source: WOIO-TV)

“Last year, I completed the law enforcement course,” the 18-year-old told The Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/jordan-wiser_n_4921266.html?utm_hp_ref=crime). “I received several certifications, including the National Terror Defense certification from FEMA, the Terror Recognition certification and (certification as an) Emergency Vehicle Operator.”

Wiser also joined the Army, enrolling the Future Soldiers program, and was scheduled to ship out in August. After his planned military service, he figured he’d embark on a career as a police officer or firefighter.

But Wiser’s big dreams of public service are on hold. In fact, he’s now enduring a nightmare.

It all started Dec. 12 when administrators at Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus (A-Tech) in Jefferson, Ohio — about 60 miles northeast of Cleveland — questioned Wiser after an alleged tip regarding videos uploaded to Wiser’s YouTube account (https://www.youtube.com/user/ArmyRescue2?feature=watch). Among the clips are reviews of video games and merchandise, home defense tactics, and an interview with a local police officer.

“The principal said he had reason to believe I had weapons in my vehicle and needed to search it,” Wiser told the Huffington Post. “He made me empty out all my pockets, and the vice principal grabbed me and patted me down very forcibly. It was somewhat awkward. Then they took my car keys. I told them what was in my car and said, ‘Don’t be alarmed.’”

Wiser added that he didn’t give school officials permission to search his vehicle, nor was there a warrant to perform the search. But they cited the school handbook as their warrant, he said, adding that they denied his request to call an attorney.
And what did they find inside Wiser’s vehicle? A folding blade pocketknife, a stun gun and two Airsoft guns.

Airsoft is a game akin to paintball in which participants shoot each other with round non-metallic pellets, and Wiser said he had plans for an Airsoft game after school. The stun gun was for self-defense, he said, adding that the pocketknife was part of his EMT kit.

“My stun gun was locked in the glove box,” Wiser told the Huffington Post, “and the knife was in my EMT medical vest. I bought it at K-Mart and have it as part of my first responder kit for cutting seatbelts.”

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Image source: WOIO-TV

Wiser was arrested and jailed for illegal conveyance of a weapon onto a school ground, a Class 5 felony.
Harold Specht, the chief assistant prosecutor at the Ashtabula County prosecutor’s office, said the charge is related only to the pocketknife.

“I was in jail for almost 13 days,” Wiser told the Huffington Post. “The first bond hearing I went to was on December 15. The judge ordered (http://www.starbeacon.com/local/x468539007/A-Tech-student-s-case-bound-over-to-grand-jury) me [to be] held on a half million-dollar bond, pending a psychological evaluation. I did that and passed. They found I was not suicidal, homicidal or a threat to anybody. My attorney brought it up in front of a different judge, who let me out on a $50,000 bond and an ankle monitor. I was released from jail on Christmas Eve.”

Given his school’s locale, Wiser doesn’t understand all the hubub over his pocketknife — nor the wide-ranging fallout from its discovery.

“There are kids at my school all the time who get caught with knives and are suspended,” he told the Huffington Post. “My school is very rural, and people carry knives. I can accept the fact that there was a lapse in judgment, and I can accept a punishment, but I have already been expelled from both the tech school and my home school.” Jerome Brockway, the A-Tech superintendent, declined to discuss the case.

And since Wiser’s felony charge, he said the Army discharged him pending a not-guilty verdict or dropped charges without prejudice.

That’s not all. If the felony charge sticks, things could get way worse.
“If I am convicted of a felony, I’m never going to be a police officer. I’m never going to be a fireman. I’m never going to be in the military,” he added. “I won’t even be able to be a janitor. I’m 18 years old, and this is going to ruin my entire life.”

If all of the knocks against Wiser weren’t enough, he added that the conditions of his bond prohibit him from contact with his grandfather, who is dying from cancer.

“The one judge I went in front of told me to remove any firearms from my parents’ house and put them at my grandpa’s house,” Wiser said. “The next judge freaked out about me even knowing what a gun is and put a no-contact order against me and my grandparents. My grandfather is dying right now, and I am not allowed within 500 feet of him.”

There was a petition on change.org (http://www.change.org/petitions/ashtabula-county-prosecutor-reduce-or-drop-charges) that demanded Wiser’s charges be reduced to a misdemeanor, and within 48 hours, it attracted 1,349 signatures. But Wiser said he asked that the petition be closed, which it was.

“The court threatened to hold sanctions against me and my lawyer,” Wiser told the Huffington Post. “I guess the prosecutor was upset because his inbox had been flooded with emails as a result of the petition.”

Specht said he’s aware “there’s a load of people out here that just think we’re the devil because we’re allegedly ruining this young kid’s life,” but he insisted that’s not the case and that the felony charge is justified and there are no plans to reduce the charge.

“There are all these school occurrences where people are shot, people are killed by other students,” Specht said. “We see it every day … so we don’t take these things lightly. … We have to be sure that we don’t have a potential for something like that to happen here.”

Wiser said he’s offended by Specht’s characterization.

“I was enlisted in the Army and went to school to be [a] police officer and fireman,” he said. “Why are they trying to paint me as a potential school shooter? I never had any intentions of hurting a soul.”

Wiser’s attorney, William Bobulsky, did not return calls for comment from the Huffington Post.

Wiser is scheduled to appear in court again on April 1 for a pretrial hearing. A jury trial is tentatively scheduled for June 11.
“Never in my life did I think this would happen,” Wiser said. “I dedicated my life to public service, and now a four-inch pocketknife could ruin everything.”

[Ares]

Government...... The gift that keeps on taking, and taking and taking.....

[Jewboo]

After his planned military service, he figured he’d embark on a career as a police officer...




The irony.


:rolleyes:

[SWRichmond]

Why do people who have otherwise clearly shown their intent to try to play by the "rules" and even serve the community get pounded on by prosecutors?

1. "see we prosecute everyone to the fullest, not just minority kids. You can't accuse ME of profiling."
2. "If you want to stay out of trouble, the minutiae matters, too. We expect you to take whatever time is necessary in order to comply with ALL of our 'laws', even the ones that seem technicalities. If this means that you have to spend all of your time complying and no time actually working, then so be it, WE DON'T CARE."
3. "We will do what we want to you, whenever we feel like it. We have power, and you DON'T. Let this be a message to the rest of you. Intent doesn't matter (malum in se), verbatim administrative compliance (malum prohibitum) is all we care about."

[Uncle Salty]

I would love to be on that jury.

[midnight rambler]

The Death Cult couldn't care less that it's DESTORYING some kid's life, dreams, hopes, ambitions, etc., it just wants MORE fresh cannon fodder to devour.

[madfranks]

Hopefully this will convince him not to dedicate his life to further the cause of the government, from which he now is enjoying a full taste of what they actually stand for.

[Serpo]

Is this from the onion...................

[Dogman]

Real or not, by this time there are some suckyrules/instant no compromise/tolerance. That have been in place for years now. If the kid was carrying and got caught in these days and times, seeing the atmosphere of these time is stupidity.

Yes we can blame, and I hate the chickenshit crap/attitudes/programming schools do. Totally!

But do not tell me the kid did not know that rules were being broken, bet the school has posters warning and warnings in the handbook.

Stupidity, and the student is paying for it, you can protest and disagree but with the way most systems are set up..The end result will not be good. Some one was not paying attention and got caught and is paying for the results. That is what they (system) is teaching, you buck it you will pay the price once you are on their radar.

Sad!

[EE_]

This would be a good time to IMAGINE there's no 'Authority. :p

So much for his career. Well, like they say, the world needs ditch diggers too.

[Serpo]

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608045104354101437&pid=15.1&H=160&W=160 (http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/prokit-foldable-wheel-brace-tyre-lever/)another weapon found in the car

[Dogman]

This would be a good time to IMAGINE there's no 'Authority. :p

So much for his career. Well, like they say, the world needs ditch diggers too. Even if the present authority is illegal in some minds, Ignoring that authority will get one in a world of shit, and get introduced to fines and or jail time. I do not like at all the way this system we live under has changed over the last 50 years I have been paying attention to it. You ether play their "game" or they will shit on you or put you behind bars and or kill. The thing is to try and change the system, because there are one hell of a bunch of them compared to us. It is a majority rules thing, the sad thing is the majority mostly do not pay attention to what is going on, they are so locked up seeing no farther than their noses and life's. So a minority votes compared to the the real total number that could, but as long as their lifes are happy they will not. and we keep having this shit. (simplistic way of saying it of the real)

[madfranks]

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=HN.608045104354101437&pid=15.1&H=160&W=160 (http://www.dealsdirect.com.au/prokit-foldable-wheel-brace-tyre-lever/)another weapon found in the car

Tools are now weapons. The kid stated that the knife was a tool in his EMT kit, so it wasn't intended to be used offensively. But, nowadays, what you "might" do is cause enough for incarceration.

[mick silver]

mad theys are the kids we need to get in to goverment if there any hope of fixxing this mess ... he's done got a bad taste from the gov
Hopefully this will convince him not to dedicate his life to further the cause of the government, from which he now is enjoying a full taste of what they actually stand for.

[SWRichmond]

Real or not, by this time there are some suckyrules/instant no compromise/tolerance. That have been in place for years now. If the kid was carrying and got caught in these days and times, seeing the atmosphere of these time is stupidity.

Yes we can blame, and I hate the chickenshit crap/attitudes/programming schools do. Totally!

But do not tell me the kid did not know that rules were being broken, bet the school has posters warning and warnings in the handbook.

Stupidity, and the student is paying for it, you can protest and disagree but with the way most systems are set up..The end result will not be good. Some one was not paying attention and got caught and is paying for the results. That is what they (system) is teaching, you buck it you will pay the price once you are on their radar.

Sad!

The kid wasn't "carrying". He had personal property in his car. My daughter had to leave her pepper spray at home rather than leave it in her car while at HS. This meant she did not have it when she left school, no matter where she was going. If she borrowed her mom's car (mom smokes) she had to make sure and remove cigarettes from the car, they weren't allowed on school property either. Private personal property. Mandatory attendance, mandatory education, you must comply with our power. Period.

IMO it doesn't matter about posters and warnings, signing policies, etc. It is entirely unreasonable for any administrative body to threaten me with property loss and prison for not remembering during every single moment in my life 10 Billion pages of MFing rules.

We have more people in jail than anywhere else on the planet. Why? Is it because people don't remember all of the rules?

"Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with."

[Dogman]

The kid wasn't "carrying". He had personal property in his car. My daughter had to leave her pepper spray at home rather than leave it in her car while at HS. This meant she did not have it when she left school, no matter where she was going. If she borrowed her mom's car (mom smokes) she had to make sure and remove cigarettes from the car, they weren't allowed on school property either. Private personal property. Mandatory attendance, mandatory education, you must comply with our power. Period.

IMO it doesn't matter about posters and warnings, signing policies, etc. It is entirely unreasonable for any administrative body to threaten me with property loss and prison for not remembering during every single moment in my life 10 Billion pages of MFing rules.

We have more people in jail than anywhere else on the planet. Why? Is it because people don't remember all of the rules?

"Did you really think we want those laws observed? said Dr. Ferris. We want them to be broken. You'd better get it straight that it's not a bunch of boy scouts you're up against... We're after power and we mean it... There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced or objectively interpreted – and you create a nation of law-breakers – and then you cash in on guilt. Now that's the system, Mr. Reardon, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." Does not matter he got busted, and is now paying the price.

Do I think this right, hell no... But it is the way the system is today.

I totally agree with you,this nation is a prison nation, and the sad thing is the majority of the people do not think past their immediate family/friends circles. And because of it they did not or care what was being voted on.

I still hold what I said.

This nation (majority of people) is in general is politically ignoriant compaired to other nations.

I could explain the whys as I see it, the that also would take a bunch of time , speaking it. And longer trying to type it.

Or not. Why do most use the term "wake up?" And the nation slumbers.

[mick silver]

your both right there no middle ground no more

[Dogman]

your both right there no middle ground no more Thank you!

[Twisted Titan]

Hopefully this will convince him not to dedicate his life to further the cause of the government, from which he now is enjoying a full taste of what they actually stand for.

Those who worship The State will eventually be crushed by it.

[Cebu_4_2]

And because of it they did not or care what was being voted on.


Thing is most of this crap is not voted on, especially by the people. Did anyone vote for fire safe cigarettes? How about property taxes, or building permits... Did anyone vote for the ACA? I know I haven't voted for many many things that are supposed to be enforceable laws.

[midnight rambler]

Those who cling to their cherished delusion that their single vote cast when 'voting' amounts to shit and will actually change ANYTHING are grievously mistaken.

[Dogman]

Thing is most of this crap is not voted on, especially by the people. Did anyone vote for fire safe cigarettes? How about property taxes, or building permits... Did anyone vote for the ACA? I know I haven't voted for many many things that are supposed to be enforceable laws. Funny, your link back to me , had me saying nothing what I said.

Why is that?

The link you quoted lead me to when I said "Thank you".

Trying to put something to me I never said.

Mods, if you have the tools look and see if I modified my post that or any post in this thread.

Edit: I apologize, he just quoted me out of , he missed and quoted the wrong post. I did say that, in this thread, but the full post needs to be read.

[Cebu_4_2]

Funny, your link back to me , had me saying nothing what I said.

Why is that?

The link you quoted lead me to when I said "Thank you".

Trying to put something to me I never said.

Mods, if you have the tools look and see if I modified my post that or any post in this thread.

Edit: I apologize, he just quoted me out of , he missed and quoted the wrong post. I did say that, in this thread, but the full post needs to be read.

It sure came from somewhere. I used the thank you to reply as it was easier to erase that then most of the other post.

Just reread this entire thread, it is gone now.

[Dogman]

Funny, your link back to me , had me saying nothing what I said.

Why is that?

The link you quoted lead me to when I said "Thank you".

Trying to put something to me I never said.

Mods, if you have the tools look and see if I modified my post that or any post in this thread.

Edit: I apologize, he just quoted me out of , he missed and quoted the wrong post. I did say that, in this thread, but the full post needs to be read.
http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?76337-13-Days-in-Jail-for-a-Pocketknife-in-a-School-Parking-Lot&p=696399#post696399


Yes there are unintended/or designed ways they "add" to their shit that 'suddenly' becomes rules/laws. and then it takes in some cases to be brought to the high court.


Not trying to be a puzz, but more a sticker of what and links said.

[mick silver]

i carry a Pocketknife and a gun when i am out how i am wondering how many years i could get

[Dogman]

i carry a Pocketknife and a gun when i am out how i am wondering how many years i could get

I have always carryd a pocketknife to this day, from when I was juged by my grandfauther at the age of 12 to this day.

it is a man thing.

[Terry853]

Why do people who have otherwise clearly shown their intent to try to play by the "rules" and even serve the community get pounded on by prosecutors?

1. "see we prosecute everyone to the fullest, not just minority kids. You can't accuse ME of profiling."
2. "If you want to stay out of trouble, the minutiae matters, too. We expect you to take whatever time is necessary in order to comply with ALL of our 'laws', even the ones that seem technicalities. If this means that you have to spend all of your time complying and no time actually working, then so be it, WE DON'T CARE."
3. "We will do what we want to you, whenever we feel like it. We have power, and you DON'T. Let this be a message to the rest of you. Intent doesn't matter (malum in se), verbatim administrative compliance (malum prohibitum) is all we care about."Except of course they hammer white people especially hard

[Glass]

the kid should have parked the car elsewhere. No warrant to search IMO regardless of school rules. They don't trump anything. As others have posted, he may now change his career plans for the better...... for everyone. It's a rough wake up call but on the upside, better at the start of his working life than the end of it. Imagine only realizing what the Government is after having dedicated 40 or more years to the system?

[Dogman]

the kid should have parked the car elsewhere. No warrant to search IMO regardless of school rules. They don't trump anything. As others have posted, he may now change his career plans for the better...... for everyone. It's a rough wake up call but on the upside, better at the start of his working life than the end of it. Imagine only realizing what the Government is after having dedicated 40 or more years to the system?I was given my first foldup knife/pocket in 1963 when I was 12, some got them earlier than that some later. I will never forget the year, also was given my first rifel.

[Glass]

I was given my first foldup knife/pocket in 1963 when I was 12, some got them earlier than that some later. I will never forget the year, also was given my first rifel.

Its a big moment IMO. I bought myself my first pocket knife. It was Xmas holidays and I was staying with my Grands in Kalgoorlie. I can't recall how old I was. I was maybe 10 or 11. I bought it from the local corner store. The ones that have just about anything and everything stuffed away some where. It was like a wild west trading post. Anyways I bought it with my own pocket money. My Grand was mortified. It was a simple thing with 1 blade and maybe a bottle opener on the other. Not a Swiss jobbie.

My sis bought her first pocket knife about 3 year ago. Lets ball park it at about 40yrs old. She was very excited by it. Was a good'n. I encouraged my F&F to at least get something that would be fairly close to hand if needed. Shotguns were my preferred suggestion. Too hard. Still like that guy we have the same problems here except it is illegal to carry any knife at all. Period. Pocket or otherwise. It is considered a concealed weapon and there are no other scheduled uses for knives under the law other than as an offensive weapon i.e. the possessor intends to attack someone with it.

It all started with Flick knives. We used to have those but there was a big media carry-on and they got banned. That's when it started. They slowly banned everything. I think the latest is, knives that can be opened with one hand and knives that had a blade retaining notch, clip or spring. That means something you open that then locks in place by a mechanism that must be released to close the knife. Basically any folding knife. That specific rule change was in the past 4 or 5 years from memory. I can still see some places sell folders in Aus so I may be incorrect, or it might be a state rule. Don't know

Personally I like knives. I just found a local place that sells blade blanks so you can make your own handles etc. That could be interesting.

at least they haven't banned sticks or rocks yet like they have in the UK.

[Dogman]

Its a big moment IMO. I bought myself my first pocket knife. It was Xmas holidays and I was staying with my Grands in Kalgoorlie. I can't recall how old I was. I was maybe 10 or 11. I bought it from the local corner store. The ones that have just about anything and everything stuffed away some where. It was like a wild west trading post. Anyways I bought it with my own pocket money. My Grand was mortified. It was a simple thing with 1 blade and maybe a bottle opener on the other. Not a Swiss jobbie.

My sis bought her first pocket knife about 3 year ago. Lets ball park it at about 40yrs old. She was very excited by it. Was a good'n. I encouraged my F&F to at least get something that would be fairly close to hand if needed. Shotguns were my preferred suggestion. Too hard. Still like that guy we have the same problems here except it is illegal to carry any knife at all. Period. Pocket or otherwise. It is considered a concealed weapon and there are no other scheduled uses for knives under the law other than as an offensive weapon i.e. the possessor intends to attack someone with it.

It all started with Flick knives. We used to have those but there was a big media carry-on and they got banned. That's when it started. They slowly banned everything. I think the latest is, knives that can be opened with one hand and knives that had a blade retaining notch, clip or spring. That means something you open that then locks in place by a mechanism that must be released to close the knife. Basically any folding knife. That specific rule change was in the past 4 or 5 years from memory.

at least they haven't banned sticks or rocks yet like they have in the UK. It is in some and for some ways a mile stone that will never be forgotten. One of the first family/age marks of becoming a non kid and given responsibility.

And then being expected to pay the price.

[Hitch]

Tools are now weapons. The kid stated that the knife was a tool in his EMT kit, so it wasn't intended to be used offensively. But, nowadays, what you "might" do is cause enough for incarceration.

I'm beginning to believe these stores are fabricated to install fear into the general public. Through fear, is how you control.

There is absolutely no way I believe any word of this story.

[Hatha Sunahara]

I'm beginning to believe these stores are fabricated to install fear into the general public. Through fear, is how you control.

There is absolutely no way I believe any word of this story.

How do you account for 'Zero Tolerance' policies in authoritarian institutions? Like schools and municipal governments even state governments? The people who dream those up and enforce them are fanatics. The people who enforce them and prosecute them are a bit more practical, but still in the realm of fanaticism. There are apparently not enough jobs in America now to provide incomes to large numbers of people, so we have embarked on 'full employment policies' for certain occupations, like the police, prosecutors, judges, social workers, prison guards, essentially the 'punishment industry'. Our economy has shifted from hiring people to produce stuff (China does that) to hiring people to punish other people. And there needs to be an excuse to give them work--so we pass insane laws and adopt insane policies that make criminals of everyone, and then we can selectively enforce that insanity--and never have the punishment industry go without a backlog of work. The biggest excuse comes in the forms of 'The war on drugs' and 'the war on terror'. There is also the war on traffic law violators, jaywalkers, and people who are not sufficiently obedient and compliant with the orders of authority figures. I think these are all symptoms of a much larger war--the War on Reason. That one is a real war, and it plays out in ways we can see, but we don't recognize this real war because it's not good for keeping sadists and bullies employed. Also, it's not good for the authorities who are waging this War on Reason because if too many people were aware of it, their legitimacy would be eroded to a pont of unsustainabiliity.


Hatha

[Jewboo]

There are apparently not enough jobs in America now to provide incomes to large numbers of people, so we have embarked on 'full employment policies' for certain occupations, like the police, prosecutors, judges, social workers, prison guards, essentially the 'punishment industry'.



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Women are now taking many of those Punisher jobs.





Virtually all of these "zero tolerance" laws are against boys being....................................boys:


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[Dogman]

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Women are now taking many of those Punisher jobs.





Virtually all of these "zero tolerance" laws are against boys being....................................boys.Ther e is a heavy 'TRUTH' in what you say.