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mick silver
14th March 2014, 02:46 PM
As Russian tanks amass on the Ukrainian border and John Kerry travels for a last-ditch meeting with his Russian counterpart, signs are increasing that Washington and Moscow are preparing for a series of punitive and retaliatory measures following a planned referendum in Crimea on Sunday.
President Obama and his team have repeatedly and loudly warned Vladimir Putin that unless Russia deescalates the current crisis, the U.S. in conjunction with its European partners will begin to increase the “costs” for the Russian government and business community, through a series of sanctions and other tactics (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/inside-obama-s-plans-for-economic-war-on-russia.htm). Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the Obama administration is preparing for the blowback that will sure come when Russia retaliates.
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“Of course we are looking at the possibility of retaliation,” one administration official told The Daily Beast. “We’re looking at all areas of cooperation we have with the Russians.
"I don't want to go into all of the detail, except to say this: It can get ugly fast the wrong choices are made," Kerry noted in Congressional testimony this week. "And it can get ugly in multiple directions."
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One administration official told The Daily Beast that the White House’s National Security Council is leading an interagency process to examine all of the possible retaliatory steps Moscow might take if U.S. and European sanctions move forward. The potential counterstrikes include what this official called “asymmetric” actions by Moscow -- Russian actions against the U.S. that have nothing to do with Ukraine.
The NSC is preparing for potential Russian actions on all issues in its multi-faceted relationship with the United Stated: American military access to Afghanistan through Russia; Moscow’s cooperation on the destruction of Syria’s chemical weapons stockpiles; Russian pressure on Iran to strike a deal over its nuclear program; and much, much more.
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American and European businesses in Russia could also fall victim to the Russian retaliation, especially if the West goes after Russian oligarchs and business leaders as part of its plan to pressure Putin, as the Obama administration has threatened (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/03/02/inside-obama-s-plans-for-economic-war-on-russia.html).
There is a need to coordinate the preparations for Russian retaliation inside the White House because each U.S. government agency that deals with Russia might seek to protect its own projects, the official added. There is also disagreement inside the administration over how far to go with sanctions against Russia -- and how much economic pain to subject the American economy to in the name of punishing Putin.
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The [I]New York Times reported this week (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/world/europe/obama-team-debates-how-to-punish-russia.html?hpw&rref=business&_r=0) that inside the Obama administration, State Department officials are pressing for tougher sanctions sooner, while officials from the Treasury Department, Office of the U.S. Trade Representative, and White House economic office are urging more caution.
American and Russian officials both said Moscow is waiting to see what the West does before it decides how to strike back. But what all agree is that there will be a price to pay and U.S. businesses could be caught up in the fight.
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“If we levy sanctions on Russia, there will be a counterstrike,” said Nick Burns, who served as Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs from 2005 to 2008. “We just need to make sure we don’t get surprised and we know what they are going to do in response. And you have to be aware of the trade-offs.”
The most likely retaliation: proportional responses for Moscow if Washington and its allies start freezing certain Russians’ assets and banning them from getting visas to Western countries.
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For example, the U.S. Congress may work to expand the Magnitsky list, a roster of Russian human rights violators banned from traveling to the U.S., to include those involved in the invasion of Crimea. Moscow already has its own visa ban list for Americans, and could expand that in response.
“If we have mainly visa sanctions, then they are probably are going to have countermanding visa sanctions on us. If we have trade sanctions, they will very definitely take action against a corresponding American firm or industry or product,” said Burns. “The Russians are going to make sure there is parity. We are going to have to assume that. That’s what the administration is considering right now.”
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U.S. companies such as Exxon Mobil and Ford have huge investments in Russia and could also become targets for retaliation. But Moscow also must keep in mind that sanctions Western businesses in Russia could cause a side effect of damaging the fragile Russian economy as well, he said.
Many European countries are more vulnerable to Russian retaliation due to their dependence onRussia for their natural gas (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/26/why-putin-hates-fracking.html). That’s why some Western European governments have been pushing back against Washington on the drive for tougher sanctions. The gap between the U.S. and countries such as France is hurting the effectiveness of the sanctions drive, experts said.
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“What the Europeans need above all is a strong demonstration of American leadership, because without that they aren’t going to do much,” said Ian Brzezinski, senior fellow at The Atlantic Council.
There’s also a concern that in the effort to minimize the blowback from Moscow, the White House will produce sanctions too weak to convince Putin to change his calculus on Ukraine.
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“The administration has got to make sure its measures are firm and strong and hard hitting and comprehensive, including diplomatic and military measures,” said Brzezinkski. “They should be less focused on calibration and retaliation control, and they should focus more on sending a strong message to Putin.”
In Congressional testimony Thursday (http://washingtonexaminer.com/john-kerry-russia-has-until-monday-to-reverse-course-in-ukraine/article/2545610) Kerry said that if the referendum goes ahead on Sunday, U.S. and European actions against Moscow would start Monday.
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Kerry will meet Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in London Friday to try to negotiate a compromise over Crimea ahead of a Sunday referendum on secession that the U.S. said it would never recognize. A senior State Department official added that Kerry also warned Lavrov in a Thursday phone call about impending sanctions if Russia proceeded with aggressive moves.
Yet Russia’s help is crucial when it comes to completing the effort to remove Syria’s chemical weapons by a June deadline. Kerry noted on Thursday that the upcoming confrontation with Moscow could impact that. “Now there's a question mark about where that's going to go,” he said.
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Meanwhile, Undersecretary of State Wendy Sherman is headed to Vienna next week for negotiations between Iran and world powers, including the U.S. and Russia. Administration officials said Thursday that as of now, there is no indication Russia is linking that effort to the current impasse over Ukraine.
Then there’s Afghanistan. The U.S. military has, for years, used this so-called “Northern Distribution Network” through Russia to supply its troops. They’d like to use the same path to get equipment out, especially with continued volatility in Pakistan. Gen. Joseph Dunford, who commands the war effort in Afghanistan, testified this week (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/12/us-usa-afghanistan-russia-idUSBREA2B1HE20140312) that the military could complete its withdrawal even if Russia cuts off the route.
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Serpo
14th March 2014, 02:59 PM
How is it that America is allowed to invade half a dozen countries and no one protests yet when Russia does to a next door neighbor that has been taken over by western interests it becomes a WW3 issue.

mick silver
14th March 2014, 03:02 PM
serpo you need to step back and get in linehttp://gold-silver.us/forum/images/smilies/300%20(235).gif

midnight rambler
14th March 2014, 03:04 PM
How is it that America is allowed to invade half a dozen countries and no one protests yet when Russia does to a next door neighbor that has been taken over by western interests it becomes a WW3 issue.

'Cause Amerika's righteous dammit! God is on OUR side.* Those Ruskies are a bunch of damn commies.** How can anyone argue with that??

*should you have any doubts, just ask 7th dump and he'll be happy to tell you all about it lol

**never mind that the good ol' USA is now more Communist than the days of the USSR (seeing how all 10 planks of the Communist Manifesto are in place in the good ol' USA)

EE_
14th March 2014, 03:18 PM
How is it that America is allowed to invade half a dozen countries and no one protests yet when Russia does to a next door neighbor that has been taken over by western interests it becomes a WW3 issue.

Damn right it's a WW3 issue, because we're the God damn United States of (Israeli owned) America. We want it all!

Good thing no one is watching Palestine right now...

mick silver
14th March 2014, 03:21 PM
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Jerusalem (AFP) - Israel said Friday it shelled a position belonging to the powerful Shiite movement Hezbollah inside Lebanon, in response to a blast targeting its troops along the border.
Hezbollah had threatened to strike back after an air raid in February, the first reported Israeli strike on one of its positions inside Lebanon since the brief but bloody summer war of 2006 between the arch-foes.
In Jerusalem, the military confirmed both Friday's blast and the shelling in response, saying it had acted after a border patrol was attacked by an explosive device.
Military spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Peter Lerner told reporters that an "armoured vehicle on patrol adjacent to the Israel-Lebanon border near Har Dov (Israel's term for the disputed Shebaa Farms) was attacked with an explosive device".
Israeli troops "responded by shelling Hezbollah positions and other suspicious locations," Lerner said.
He said that Hezbollah sites were not the only ones to be targeted and that "other suspicious positions along the border had also been hit", without giving further details.
He called it the "most severe instance of violation of the border that we've seen recently".
Lerner added that no Israeli troops were injured in the blast, but the three soldiers involved in the incident were taken to hospital for a precautionary medical check.
A Lebanese security source had said earlier that "10 Israeli rockets hit an uninhabited border area and that there were no casualties".
Lebanon's official news agency NNA, meanwhile, reported "six shells fired (that hit) between Kfar Shuba and Halta in southeast Lebanon".
Tensions have been rising between Hezbollah and Israel over the deadly conflict in Syria, with Israel warning it will do "everything necessary" to prevent the transfer of advanced arms from Damascus to its Lebanese Shiite ally.
Late last month, Israeli warplanes bombarded a Hezbollah position on the Lebanese-Syrian border.
Israel neither confirmed nor denied carrying out the two February 24 strikes, but Hezbollah threatened to hit back over the air raid.
And on March 5, the Israeli army said it opened fire and hit two members of the Shiite group as they tried to plant a bomb near the Israeli-Syrian ceasefire line.
The army did not say at the time what weapons it had used to fire on the men.
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Hatha Sunahara
15th March 2014, 08:56 AM
And here is some news from the economic front:

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/03/14/russian-capital-flows/



Hatha

Ares
15th March 2014, 10:18 AM
Printing presses are at the ready:


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Horn
15th March 2014, 10:37 AM
How is it that America is allowed to invade half a dozen countries and no one protests yet when Russia does to a next door neighbor that has been taken over by western interests it becomes a WW3 issue.

Russia, China, and or any other less sophisticated super power empire is unable to setup the kind of indigenous colonial puppet .gov to skim proceeds while keeping the remaining nationalistic borders in tact.

It is their shortcoming that they need to take over the country entirely. They need to learn the English spin on a pool ball.

The Chinese are practicing daily, Russia just ain't got the hand eye coordination.

steyr_m
15th March 2014, 11:32 AM
I'm wondering why China abstained in the UN security council vote


http://rt.com/news/un-resolution-crimea-referendum-118

Horn
15th March 2014, 11:43 AM
Good quote for there for the anarchy threads,


Crimea’s coexisting within Ukraine apparently became impossible as a result of “legal vacuum” that followed the “unconstitutional armed coup” carried out in Kiev by radical nationalists in February and direct threats by these individuals to set their order across Ukraine, Russia’s UN representative said.

Libertarian_Guard
15th March 2014, 11:47 AM
I'm wondering why China abstained in the UN security council vote


http://rt.com/news/un-resolution-crimea-referendum-118

The obvious answer would be that on the surface they side with Putin on this.

However things, especially right now, are not always as they seem.

Since we're all seated in Plato's cave, with a very narrow view, it's best to keep an open mind.

Jewboo
15th March 2014, 11:52 AM
China abstained as 13 council members supported the resolution and Russia voted against.




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steyr_m
15th March 2014, 12:01 PM
This is interesting too.

5 referendums that the West has not taken issue with

The West has condemned the upcoming referendum in Crimea as “illegitimate” and is preparing sanctions against Russia. However, the West’s seemingly random policy on other referendums hints at a double standard in their governments’ rhetoric.

Crimea will vote Sunday whether to remain an autonomous region in Ukraine or to join with Russia. Western leaders have claimed the referendum is a farce and that Russian forces have occupied the region. Moscow, however, maintains there has been no such invasion and the referendum represents the Crimeans’ right to self-determination.

In the past the West has not batted an eyelid when countries sought to hold referendums and in some cases actively supported them.

More with video....

http://rt.com/news/referendums-ukraine-west-relations-782/

Horn
15th March 2014, 12:12 PM
Self Determination only works so well when it excludes Palestine and Russia.

mick silver
15th March 2014, 12:14 PM
The answer is in order to drive the crisis to war. Washington's neoconservative Nazis have been agitating for war with Russia for a long time. They want to remove one of the three remaining restraints (Russia, China, Iran) on Washington's world hegemony. Washington wants to break up the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) before these countries form a separate currency bloc and avoid the use of the US dollar. Russia will respond in kind to Washington's sanctions. European peoples and Western banks and corporations will suffer losses. It would be at least two or three years before Washington has in place means of delivering US natural gas achieved by fracking and contamination of US water supplies to Europe to take the place of Russia's cutoff of energy to Europe. - See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/35114/Paul-Craig-Roberts-The-Failure-of-German-Leadership/#sthash.8kP10tLB.dpuf

steyr_m
15th March 2014, 01:36 PM
The answer is in order to drive the crisis to war.

I know that... That's going to be something I'll be using when when explaining to the sheep that Putin is going to save the world [if he succeeds]. Adolf failed, maybe VP will pull it off