Houston father shoots and kills boy in teen daughter's room

[mick silver]

HOUSTON (Reuters) - A Houston father shot and killed a teenage boy he found in the room of his 16-year-old daughter in the pre-dawn hours of Thursday, the Harris County Sheriff's Office said.
The father heard noises coming from the room and went to investigate. Upon finding the 17-year-old boy with his daughter, the father got into a fight with the boy, and "the homeowner, who was armed, shot the male once," the office said.
Police have not released the name of the 55-year-old father or the dead teenager, who the daughter first said she did not know and then said she did.
The incident was under investigation and no charges have been filed, according to the sheriff's office.
(Reporting by Andrea Lorenz; Writing by Jon Herskovitz; Editing by Steve Orlofsky)



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[midnight rambler]

It's a man's duty to repel all boarders. Lesson to youngsters: don't get into a fight with an old fart thinking "I'm gonna open up a can of whup ass on you!", they'll just kill you (instead of merely 'fist fighting' - I mentioned this incident to a buddy and he said, "I agree, I don't have any patience for that shit.").

[Ares]

It's a man's duty to repel all boarders. Lesson to youngsters: don't get into a fight with an old fart, they'll just kill you (instead of merely 'fist fighting' - I mentioned this incident to a buddy and he said, "I agree, I don't have any patience for that shit.").

When I lived in Indiana my neighbor told me a story about a situation where he drew his weapon. He was on the way home from work, he admits he cut off the other driver and did apologize when the guy pulled up beside him. (So he says, but he was a nice guy so I believe him). The other driver (both black he said) girlfriend was egging him on to get out and beat his ass. So my neighbor pulled over and while the other guy was coming over to rough up my neighbor he drew his side arm. The other guy who was in his early 20's said that shit ain't fair man. My neighbor said fairness has nothing to do with it. I'm old, and don't have time for this shit. The other guy turned around and got back in his car while at the same time his girlfriend was yammering on "I told you not to mess with him". My neighbor said he just shook his head and said she as the one who was telling him he should beat his ass....

Premise holds, old guys won't bother with physical violence. They'll just shoot you.

[Ponce]

I don't carry a gun, just don't get within an arm lent plus eight inches....

V

[govcheetos]

Yep, gotta love old farts. Friend of mine has the same mentality, just as soon shoot their ass instead of having to get up out of his chair.

[madfranks]

the daughter first said she did not know and then said she did

I bet if the daughter admitted from the get-go that she knew the boy, the father probably wouldn't have killed him. Think about it, "daddy I don't know who this man is", means he's an intruder in your daughter's room.

[vacuum]

His daughter is a slut and he should deal with it instead of murdering the kid. That's right murder. It's a 99% chance the father started the fight and the kid hit back to defend himself.

[Hitch]

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I bet if the daughter admitted from the get-go that she knew the boy, the father probably wouldn't have killed him. Think about it, "daddy I don't know who this man is", means he's an intruder in your daughter's room.

I was thinking the same thing. There was a story awhile ago where a husband caught his wife in the driveway in another man's car. His wife screamed rapist, and the husband shot the man and killed him. It turned out, that the wife was actually cheating on the husband with the man, and cried rapist to cover it up. I believe she was the one charged with murder.

edit: here's that article found it.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-31-womanindicted_N.htm

[vacuum]

I was thinking the same thing. There was a story awhile ago where a husband caught his wife in the driveway in another man's car. His wife screamed rapist, and the husband shot the man and killed him. It turned out, that the wife was actually cheating on the husband with the man, and cried rapist to cover it up. I believe she was the one charged with murder.

Yes, this is the other possibility. But still, I doubt the kid was being violent until the dad got up in his face and started getting physical.

[midnight rambler]

His daughter is a slut and he should deal with it instead of murdering the kid. That's right murder. It's a 99% chance the father started the fight and the kid hit back to defend himself.

Perhaps the father was attempting to make a citizen's arrest (for statutory rape) and the kid resisted arrest with what the father believed to be deadly force. I can see the grand jury no billing him. This was in Houston, and to show you the prevailing mood there in Harris County several years ago the repo man was taking some deadbeat's pickup truck out of his driveway at about 2AM, deadbeat opens his front door and commences firing at repo man with a .30-30 as he pulls off with deadbeat's pickup truck hooked up to his repo tow truck. Repo man was found in the ditch dead about a mile away with Mr. Deadbeat's pickup truck still hooked up to the repo tow truck. Mr. Deadbeat was no billed by the grand jury 'cause Texas law allows 'a reasonable person' to SHOOT at someone they 'reasonably believe' is making off with some of their property between the hours of sunset and sunrise. And yes, this includes shooting a fleeing thief in the back (like Mr. Deadbeat did with his .30-30). So under the circumstances I doubt the father in this case will end up going to trial. The kid was being stupid in a no stupid zone and now he's dead - survival of the fittest.

[vacuum]

Perhaps the father was attempting to make a citizen's arrest (for statutory rape) and the kid resisted arrest with what the father believed to be deadly force. I can see the grand jury no billing him. This was in Houston, and to show you the prevailing mood there in Harris County several years ago the repo man was taking some deadbeat's pickup truck out of his driveway at about 2AM, deadbeat opens his front door and commences firing at repo man with a .30-30 as he pulls off with deadbeat's pickup truck hooked up to his repo tow truck. Repo man was found in the ditch dead about a mile away with Mr. Deadbeat's pickup truck still hooked up to the repo tow truck. Mr. Deadbeat was no billed by the grand jury 'cause Texas law allows 'a reasonable person' to SHOOT at someone they 'reasonably believe' is making off with some of their property between the hours of sunset and sunrise. And yes, this includes shooting a fleeing thief in the back (like Mr. Deadbeat did with his .30-30). So under the circumstances I doubt the father in this case will end up going to trial. The kid was being stupid in a no stupid zone and now he's dead - survival of the fittest.

I don't believe the castle laws apply when someone is invited onto the property in question by one of the residents.

It might be true he was resisting with deadly force, though self defense gets more complicated when you initiate the physical force. For example, if the kid had no weapons and the father has no physical injuries then it's very questionable.

But if he didn't know that this guy wasn't an intruder because he believed his daughter, then the death is mostly the daughter's fault.

[midnight rambler]

I don't believe the castle laws apply when someone is invited onto the property in question by one of the residents.


Girl was a minor and it was at an inappropriate time of night, so no.

[Hitch]

Girl was a minor and it was at an inappropriate time of night, so no.

Also, the girl said she didn't know him implying that he was an intruder, uninvited.

[vacuum]

47 page thread on this:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1602496_Dad_shoots_kills_teen_boy_found_in_his_dau ghter_s_room_at_night.html&page=1

9 page thread:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1029650/

15 page thread:
http://ingunowners.com/forums/general-firearms-discussion/337957-houston-dad-shoots-kills-boy-found-inside-daughter%92s-bedroom.html

[horseshoe3]

His daughter is a slut and he should deal with it instead of murdering the kid. That's right murder. It's a 99% chance the father started the fight and the kid hit back to defend himself.

Depends how you define "started the fight". Most reasonable people would say the kid started the fight just by being there. I mean, what did he expect when the father came in? "Gosh, sorry I scared you limp. Here's a Viagra so you can finish", perhaps?

[BrewTech]

Kids that age are going to do this shit, regardless of region. Me, and all my friends would be dead if murdering kids for screwing around with their daughters was justifiable.

Most girls that age are going to be consenting a boy in their room after hours... whether you like it or not, that's the case. Before you going around KILLING PEOPLE, as an adult you better find out what the fuck is up before you pull the trigger.

All you assholes that are backing this guy up should just go get on your local police force, where you can kill people at will. It's clear that it turns you on, so why deny yourselves?

Cops shoot people and ask questions later...and they get away with it! Sounds like fun, yeah?

[midnight rambler]

Kids that age are going to do this shit, regardless of region. Me, and all my friends would be dead if murdering kids for screwing around with their daughters was justifiable.

Most girls that age are going to be consenting a boy in their room after hours... whether you like it or not, that's the case. Before you going around KILLING PEOPLE, as an adult you better find out what the fuck is up before you pull the trigger.

All you assholes that are backing this guy up should just go get on your local police force, where you can kill people at will. It's clear that it turns you on, so why deny yourselves?

Cops shoot people and ask questions later...and they get away with it! Sounds like fun, yeah?

It could not be more clear you've never been in a situation where in an instant you had to literally fight for your life. Teenagers (or ANY youngster) should NEVER pick a fight with an 'old man', this is a well established FACT OF LIFE*. I predict the father will be no billed by the Harris County grand jury. Don't you think that if the cops at HPD had a solid case for arresting the father for murder or manslaughter they would have??

*I submit YOU are a moron for not taking this into account

[EE_]

I'm going to withhold judgement until the daughter has had a chance to make a deposition.

Did the father really get into a fight with the teenager, or did he just say he did to avoid prosecution for murder?

[midnight rambler]

I'm going to withhold judgement until the daughter has had a chance to make a deposition.

Did the father really get into a fight with the teenager, or did he just say he did to avoid prosecution for murder?

The fact that HPD didn't arrest him speaks volumes.

Like I posted earlier, the kid was being stupid in no stupid zone and now he's dead. One less moron in the world - hopefully he didn't pass on his moronic genetic makeup by knocking up the girl.

[EE_]

The fact that HPD didn't arrest him speaks volumes.

Like I posted earlier, the kid was being stupid in no stupid zone and now he's dead. One less moron in the world - hopefully he didn't pass on his moronic genetic makeup by knocking up the girl.

Very odd the HPD did not arrest him. When there's a murder/killing, they usually bring in the suspect to sort things out in case of foul play.

Can't argue the kid was stupid...if the reports information is true.

[midnight rambler]

Very odd the HPD did not arrest him. When there's a murder/killing, they usually bring in the suspect to sort things out in case of foul play.

Can't argue the kid was stupid...if the reports information is true.

Of course it's SOP to take someone in and question them at HQ after an incident like this, and USUALLY they don't get to go home. The fact that HPD let this fellow go home indicates to me that all the cops at HPD concluded it was a good shoot as far as they were concerned (at least questionable enough to let him go).

If the boy was banging the girl anywhere but at her family's home, like in the back seat of his car, he'd still be alive.

[midnight rambler]

After giving this incident some consideration I've come to the following reasonable, and sensible conclusions based on the scant information provided. The head of the household hears (an) anomalous sound(s) within his household at a time of night when there should be NO anomalous sounds in his household. So he grabs his HD shotgun or handgun and goes to investigate - who knows, some intruder may be assaulting or attempting to abduct a family member, this is what ANY reasonable man would first suspect, and ANY reasonable man would respond in like manner, i.e. armed within his own household to defend same and all family members. The father opens the door to his daughter's bedroom and immediately sees that his daughter has a 'friend' with her. The boyfriend then gets this crazy ass idea that he's going to challenge the ARMED father and disarm him and a struggle for the gun ensues. The father then reasonably believes that this strong teenager is going to disarm him (at 55 y.o., considered a 'senior') and consequently shoot him with his own gun and therefore becomes in fear for his life (which is COMPLETELY reasonable under the circumstances) so he shoots the kid before the kid has a chance to overpower him in an instantaneous life or death struggle. And I'm relatively sure that the kid was dead within 30 seconds +/- of his discovery by the father seeing as how the kid only brought his fists (and his dumb ass) to a gunfight. I'm confident the father regrets killing this kid (considering how extremely distressed he reportedly was immediately afterward), however it's apparently a clear-cut case of bona fide self-defense hence HPD not arresting him since apparently all the evidence* gathered by HPD indicates justifiable homicide.

*the evidence probably includes an indication that the kid was within extremely close proximity of the muzzle if not in direct contact when shot along with other indications that there was a struggle for the gun INCLUDING indications that the struggle for the gun was ongoing when the shot was fired, sounds like a fatal case of JPS syndrome (just plain stupid) to me

[midnight rambler]

Ok, so my assessment in my previous post was not in line with what actually happened (the kid made a furtive movement which the father read as reaching for a gun), however even the prosecutor still sees this case as a good shoot. Here's a more up to date report -

http://newsone.com/2974620/charges-unlikely-for-father-who-fatally-shot-daughters-boyfriend-video/

[General of Darkness]

I bet the daughter is a coal burner.

[Publico]

It's not the first time it happened to the family. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JEFLg3GeQo)

[Santa]

Well, since we're all making up shit as we go here, maybe the father was an off duty cop.

[midnight rambler]

Well, since we're all making up shit as we go here, maybe the father was an off duty cop.

Well the crucial part (the shooting regarded as justifiable under the circumstances by the both HPD and the DA, and it's reasonable to conclude that the grand jury will concur) isn't 'made up'. What likely sealed numbnut's fate is the girl saying, "I don't know him!"

[mick silver]

when the doors are lock at bed time i best not be wake up with someone i dont know in my home . it works both ways . there rules then there rules

[vacuum]

I bet the daughter is a coal burner.

I believe all parties involved are black.