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old steel
15th March 2014, 02:36 PM
Nasa-funded study: industrial civilisation headed for 'irreversible collapse'? Natural and social scientists develop new model of how 'perfect storm' of crises could unravel global system



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A new study sponsored by Nasa's Goddard Space Flight Center has highlighted the prospect that global industrial civilisation could collapse in coming decades due to unsustainable resource exploitation and increasingly unequal wealth distribution.
Noting that warnings of 'collapse' are often seen to be fringe or controversial, the study attempts to make sense of compelling historical data showing that "the process of rise-and-collapse is actually a recurrent cycle found throughout history." Cases of severe civilisational disruption due to "precipitous collapse - often lasting centuries - have been quite common."
The research project is based on a new cross-disciplinary 'Human And Nature DYnamical' (HANDY) model, led by applied mathematician Safa Motesharri of the US National Science Foundation-supported National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center (http://www.sesync.org/), in association with a team of natural and social scientists. The study based on the HANDY model has been accepted for publication in the peer-reviewed Elsevier journal, Ecological Economics.
It finds that according to the historical record even advanced, complex civilisations are susceptible to collapse, raising questions about the sustainability of modern civilisation:

"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent."
By investigating the human-nature dynamics of these past cases of collapse, the project identifies the most salient interrelated factors which explain civilisational decline, and which may help determine the risk of collapse today: namely, Population, Climate, Water, Agriculture, and Energy (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/energy).
These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: "the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity"; and "the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or "Commoners") [poor]" These social phenomena have played "a central role in the character or in the process of the collapse," in all such cases over "the last five thousand years."
Currently, high levels of economic stratification are linked directly to overconsumption of resources, with "Elites" based largely in industrialised countries responsible for both:

"... accumulated surplus is not evenly distributed throughout society, but rather has been controlled by an elite. The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels."
The study challenges those who argue that technology will resolve these challenges by increasing efficiency:

"Technological change can raise the efficiency of resource use, but it also tends to raise both per capita resource consumption and the scale of resource extraction, so that, absent policy effects, the increases in consumption often compensate for the increased efficiency of resource use."
Productivity increases in agriculture and industry over the last two centuries has come from "increased (rather than decreased) resource throughput," despite dramatic efficiency gains over the same period.
Modelling a range of different scenarios, Motesharri and his colleagues conclude that under conditions "closely reflecting the reality of the world today... we find that collapse is difficult to avoid." In the first of these scenarios, civilisation:

".... appears to be on a sustainable path for quite a long time, but even using an optimal depletion rate and starting with a very small number of Elites, the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society. It is important to note that this Type-L collapse is due to an inequality-induced famine that causes a loss of workers, rather than a collapse of Nature."
Another scenario focuses on the role of continued resource exploitation, finding that "with a larger depletion rate, the decline of the Commoners occurs faster, while the Elites are still thriving, but eventually the Commoners collapse completely, followed by the Elites."
In both scenarios, Elite wealth monopolies mean that they are buffered from the most "detrimental effects of the environmental collapse until much later than the Commoners", allowing them to "continue 'business as usual' despite the impending catastrophe." The same mechanism, they argue, could explain how "historical collapses were allowed to occur by elites who appear to be oblivious to the catastrophic trajectory (most clearly apparent in the Roman and Mayan cases)."
Applying this lesson to our contemporary predicament, the study warns that:

"While some members of society might raise the alarm that the system is moving towards an impending collapse and therefore advocate structural changes to society in order to avoid it, Elites and their supporters, who opposed making these changes, could point to the long sustainable trajectory 'so far' in support of doing nothing."
However, the scientists point out that the worst-case scenarios are by no means inevitable, and suggest that appropriate policy and structural changes could avoid collapse, if not pave the way toward a more stable civilisation.
The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth:

"Collapse can be avoided and population can reach equilibrium if the per capita rate of depletion of nature is reduced to a sustainable level, and if resources are distributed in a reasonably equitable fashion."
The NASA-funded HANDY model offers a highly credible wake-up call to governments, corporations and business - and consumers - to recognise that 'business as usual' cannot be sustained, and that policy and structural changes are required immediately.
Although the study is largely theoretical, a number of other more empirically-focused studies - by KPMG (http://www.kpmg.com/global/en/issuesandinsights/articlespublications/future-state-government/pages/resource-stress.aspx) and the UK Government Office of Science (http://www.bis.gov.uk/assets/goscience/docs/p/perfect-storm-paper.pdf) for instance - have warned that the convergence of food, water and energy crises could create a 'perfect storm' within about fifteen years. But these 'business as usual' forecasts could be very conservative (http://ceasefiremagazine.co.uk/the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it-the-rise-of-the-post-carbon-era/).


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2014/mar/14/nasa-civilisation-irreversible-collapse-study-scientists

mick silver
15th March 2014, 02:44 PM
this is why the rich need a BIG WAR to thin the herd so there will be more for there young one's .... i can see it now a world without poor little people waiting in line for my food an fuel . dam i would love to see that in the news , just maybe a few would wake the f up

Neuro
15th March 2014, 02:45 PM
I think all advanced societies fail in the long run from the weight of their own corruption.

Ares
15th March 2014, 02:53 PM
I think all advanced societies fail in the long run from the weight of their own corruption.

Call it natures way of keeping man in check.

Spectrism
15th March 2014, 03:48 PM
So NASA has taken on another job? They were only tasked with making muslims feel good about being moslem.

Now, we have this completely unknown character- Safa Motesharri - being brought out into dozens of blogs and news lines selling us on a geopolitical model using history to predict current trends. All complete crap.

The global controllers have an alternative to historical cycles. It is called genocide.

old steel
15th March 2014, 04:04 PM
The entire Godless environmental fascist religion is within that article.
Fear fear fear fear.
Ohhhh, but here is our solution : agenda 21 and birth control, especially for the white race.
And the sad thing is, people support it because they've been brought up in its "religion"

Twisted Titan
15th March 2014, 08:54 PM
ilisation:*"The fall of the Roman Empire, and the equally (if not more) advanced Han, Mauryan, and Gupta Empires, as well as so many advanced Mesopotamian Empires, are all testimony to the fact that advanced, sophisticated, complex, and creative civilizations can be both fragile and impermanent."


What A load of unbelievable bullshit.

The romans fell because of internal rot and they kept trying to suck resources from the periphery.

If the money was stable they would have had the resources and manpower to desl with anything nature kicked out.

singular_me
15th March 2014, 09:04 PM
The NASA-funded HANDY model offers a highly credible wake-up call to governments, corporations and business - and consumers - to recognise that 'business as usual' cannot be sustained, and that policy and structural changes are required immediately.

immediately? ROFLOL - the majority can't let go their cherished delusions... the winter is coming.

singular_me
15th March 2014, 09:09 PM
The romans fell because of internal rot and they kept trying to suck resources from the periphery.

If the money was stable they would have had the resources and manpower to desl with anything nature kicked out.

yes reckless invasions were costly and they debased the coins to make money more plentiful, the downfall was foreseeable

I also read that 50% of population in Rome were slaves and that it caused massive poverty as paid jobs were scarce.... if I can find the link mentioning this, I will add it.

mick silver
15th March 2014, 10:33 PM
who said what you see in movies will happen in five to ten years , who to say what were seeing an reading not about to come true in ways ... jewwood

govcheetos
16th March 2014, 09:06 AM
There was a newspaper article back in the nineties about the future of industrial society.