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mick silver
16th March 2014, 08:14 AM
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America loves its military. The vitriol heaped on returning Vietnam veterans in the 1960s and 1970s -- most of whom had no choice in the matter of their deployment -- caused such a public backlash that most Americans swung hard from anger to hero worship, and our default reaction to military service has been hero worship ever since. And why shouldn't it be? After all, no other profession explicitly asks its workforce to make the ultimate sacrifice.
http://g.foolcdn.com/editorial/images/111354/marinesonparade_large.jpgSource: User DVIDSHUB via Flickr.

However, just because military servicemen or servicewomen might someday be asked to die in service to their country doesn't mean that they will. In fact, modern military service isn't even America's deadliest job! There are certainly a number of serious factors to consider before joining the military, including the commitment to sign away at least four years of your life and the stress of essentially being on call 25 hours a day (that's not a typo) for your entire enlistment, but if the threat of death is your primary concern, you may want to dig into the realities of U.S. military casualties before making up your mind.
Can you keep the peace and keep your life?
Make no mistake -- people can and do die during military service. The Defense Manpower Data Center, one of the Department of Defense's analytical groups, has recorded 48,834 military personnel deaths from 1980 to 2010, which works out to 1,575 deaths per year. However, the American military is a huge organization, which has never slipped below 1.35 million active-duty servicemembers in any given year across all branches. There were 1.7 million active servicemembers on average per year from 1980 to 2010, and when you add in the full-time equivalent service hours of reserve forces, the United States has fielded nearly 1.9 million full-time equivalent servicemembers each year for the past three decades.
Because enlistment figures fluctuate from year to year, assessing military casualties based on the rate of death per 100,000 serving each year gives us a more consistent picture of the dangers faced by our servicemembers. Over these three decades of tracking, 82 servicemembers per 100,000 have died each year to all possible causes, and the leading cause of death is probably not the one you'd most suspect:
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Source: Defense Casualty Analysis System.
Accidents are by far the most consistent danger to military personnel, surpassing all other causes of death in every year tracked except the five (2004 through 2007 and 2010) most identified with major actions in Iraq. In fact, before 2002, the U.S. military endured only two years (1987, when an Iraqi jet attacked the U.S.S. Stark, and 1991, during Operation Desert Storm) of combat-related casualties in excess of one servicemember per 100,000. Accident-related deaths, on the other hand, while in decline since 1980 (reaching a three-decade low of 25.2 per 100,000 servicemembers in 2010), still account for the lion's share of all military deaths, and have been responsible for an average of 40.8 deaths per 100,000 servicemembers per year since 1980.
Had the United States not mired itself in first "liberating" and then policing of Iraq, the average number of combat fatalities would be far lower, as U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan didn't surpass deaths in Iraq until 2009. Even though American troops withdrew from Iraq at the end of 2011, total U.S. military deaths in that country are still roughly twice as high as U.S. military deaths in Afghanistan. Despite this uptick in combat deaths, illness (which claimed 14.3 servicemembers per 100,000 per year) and suicide (which claimed 11.8 servicemembers per 100,000 per year) were still greater scourges of the military than battle, which has been responsible for an average of 9.3 deaths per 100,000 servicemembers per year from 1980 through 2010. However, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq did push the number of combat-related deaths up significantly, to a rate of 27.7 servicemembers per 100,000 per year from 2001 through 2010. This higher fatality rate pushed the overall military death rate up to 93.4 servicemembers per 100,000 per year from 2001 through 2010.
But serving in the military isn't even the most dangerous job in America, even if we focus only on the period after the opening of these two combat theaters. Would you like to know what's more dangerous than military service?
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Logging: 127.8 deaths per 100,000 workers in 2012
You're a lumberjack, but you might not be OK, because you work in the most dangerous occupation in America, with 45 more deaths per 100,000 workers than the armed forces. In the three decades we've examined, the military neversuffered more deaths per 100,000 personnel than the logging industry suffered in 2012. The military's worst year was 2007, when combat deaths hit modern highs of 52.7 per 100,000 servicemembers and total military deaths reached 121.4 per 100,000 servicemembers.
Fishing: 117.0 deaths per 100,000 workers in 2012
The high death rate of fishermen (or fisherfolk, if you prefer something gender-neutral) might not be so much of a surprise, as this is a profession that has a reality show -- Deadliest Catch -- that tells you it's dangerous right in the title! The military's annual death rate only surpassed that of the fishing industry in 2007, and its three-decade average death rate is nearly 35 personnel per 100,000 lower than it is for fishing.
If you're looking for job security and personal safety, you'd actually be better off joining the military than working as a lumberjack or in the fishing industry. Military service will -- unless you do something horrendously improper -- guarantee at least four years of pay, which should generally be at least $20,000 per year (pay grade E-3, which is a private first class in the Army or a seaman in the Navy, pays $21,700 per year), much of which will be take-home because of general military policy of providing room and board to servicemembers. Loggers, on the other hand, make a median salary of only $33,600 per year, nearly identical to the $33,400 median salary in the fishing industry. The logging industry is expected to see a 9% decline in its employment numbers by 2022, and the fishing industry is expected to lose 5% of its workforce during the same time frame.
Nearly any military servicemember with career ambitions is likely to earn more than the median logging or fishing salary after several years, and some may even start off earning more -- the lowest pay grade for the officer corps (a second lieutenant in the Army or an ensign in the navy) equates to an annual salary of $34,900.
Combat isn't that common
If you're still concerned about the risk of death in combat, keep in mind that the military won't have its boots on the ground in hostile countries all the time -- at least not as long as voters have a say in the matter and choose to elect less hawkish politicians. Even so, there were still several other jobs more likely to kill you than combat in the military during this period of global police action:
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Sources: Defense Casualty Analysis System and U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
*Note: military casualty rates are from 2001 through 2010 and pay grade used is E-4. Other occupational casualty rates and median salaries used from BLS data and are current through 2012.
The military certainly isn't the safest place to earn a living, but it's hardly the death trap many concerned parents and nervous would-be enlistees might think. In fact, analysis performed by the Armed Forces Health Surveillance Center found that death rates were significantly lower in the Navy (60.9 deaths per 100,000 servicemembers per year) and in the Air Force (47.4 deaths per 100,000 servicemembers per year) from 1990 through 2011 than for the military as a whole -- Marines, at 103.8 deaths per 100,000 servicemembers per year, are taxed harder than any other military branch, but even this heightened death rate doesn't surpass that suffered by logging or fishing workers.
No one should join the military expecting it to be a cushy cakewalk, but at the same time, it's worth keeping in mind that there are deadlier jobs with less job security than military service. There are plenty of other considerations as well. Military life can still be very dangerous, even if it's not deadly, and these casualty figures don't account for grievous but survivable wounds that can have lifelong impacts on a servicemember's life. However, barring another major conflict -- and since it took about 30 years for Americans to get over Vietnam before committing to another long-term fight in Iraq, it seems unlikely that the military will be plunged into a new quagmire any time soon -- we should probably expect military casualty rates to keep falling in the coming years.
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Hitch
16th March 2014, 08:33 AM
Thanks mick. This is a shocking article to read. They tell us at work our job is as dangerous, if not more, than fishing. Seems there's always a close call, near miss, or someone getting hurt. We are very focused on safety. I'm going to forward this article to our Safety Officer. Would be a good topic for our safety meetings.

Santa
16th March 2014, 08:36 AM
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Ares
16th March 2014, 08:41 AM
I notice Police Officers aren't even on that list.

I always knew them saying they have a deadly job was full of shit.

Hitch
16th March 2014, 08:45 AM
I notice Police Officers aren't even on that list.

I always knew them saying they have a deadly job was full of shit.

When you personally know police officers who have been killed, you feel differently. It all depends on the dept. Some depts cops go their whole career and never point a gun at someone. Some depts, there's so much violence it happens on a daily basis.

Twisted Titan
16th March 2014, 08:54 AM
Interesting without question.

But i wasnt supprised by fishing.

I use to watch fishing ,crabbing and whaling BEFORE it was popular and romantized.

The only thing more dangerous then weather is the sea.

Ares
16th March 2014, 08:57 AM
When you personally know police officers who have been killed, you feel differently. It all depends on the dept. Some depts cops go their whole career and never point a gun at someone. Some depts, there's so much violence it happens on a daily basis.

I've personally known 2 cops who got shot. One was self inflicted (very long story involving an affair with a local media personality that spiraled out of control so he thought faking an officer shooting would remove some of the heat off of him) the other during a traffic stop.

Per statistics though, they don't even rank in the top 10 nationally. There are far more dangerous jobs that don't get anywhere near the respect officers DEMAND though. You don't see fraternal orders collecting donations for fallen loggers in the line of duty do you? You don't see loggers saying how dangerous their jobs are. Cops use the danger that comes with the job as a crutch to do as they please, and then when under scrutiny for abusing their UNEARNED authority blame it on the stress of the job, and how "dangerous" it is. :rolleyes:

Hitch
16th March 2014, 09:12 AM
Per statistics though, they don't even rank in the top 10 nationally. There are far more dangerous jobs that don't get anywhere near the respect officers DEMAND though. You don't see fraternal orders collecting donations for fallen loggers in the line of duty do you? You don't see loggers saying how dangerous their jobs are. Cops use the danger that comes with the job as a crutch to do as they please, and then when under scrutiny for abusing their UNEARNED authority blame it on the stress of the job, and how "dangerous" it is. :rolleyes:

Since I work in one of the most dangerous jobs, I'd say statistically I have a higher chance of getting injured or dying than say 95% of police officers. However, the 5% of cops who work in the worst most violent cities....far more dangerous, in my opinion, than what I do now. In short, no fucking way I would go back there.

EE_
16th March 2014, 09:42 AM
Next we're going to look at a chart where each profession is ranked by how many innocent people (include civilians and co-workers) die, because of negligence, or purposely by those in each profession.

For instance, how many loggers were killed by their co-worker's
How many innocent people/include military brothers, are killed by military personel
How many innocent people are killed by cops

I bet military and cops get a very favorable ranking on this chart.

Hitch
16th March 2014, 09:45 AM
Next we're going to look at a chart where each profession is ranked by how many innocent people (include civilians and co-workers) die, because of negligence, or purposely by those in each profession.

For instance, how many loggers were killed by their co-worker's
How many innocent people/include military brothers, are killed by military personel
How many innocent people are killed by cops

I bet military and cops get a very favorable ranking on this chart.

Are you making a point to just count the innocent folks? A lot of guilty people have been killed too.

The flaw in this article is that only deaths are counted. What about injuries? Everyone I work with has been injured on the job, including myself. I was out for 2 months.

EE_
16th March 2014, 09:51 AM
Are you making a point to just count the innocent folks? A lot of guilty people have been killed too.

The flaw in this article is that only deaths are counted. What about injuries? Everyone I work with has been injured on the job, including myself. I was out for 2 months.

We'll count guilty/bad people on the next chart. That chart won't have all professions, only military and LE.

I bet injuries would show a whole different story in all professions.

Ponce
16th March 2014, 12:38 PM
Copa only die of heart attack from eating to many donuts......and you cops lovers? .......well, nothing.

V

Hitch
16th March 2014, 01:15 PM
Copa only die of heart attack from eating to many donuts......and you cops lovers? .......well, nothing.

V

Here's the actual statistics, cause of deaths for cops over a decade. I'm actually surprised, most cops die from getting shot. I would have expected car accidents, the way they drive like maniacs.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fatalities-data/causes.html