David Stein/Cole on the Holocaust and historical revision

[Bigjon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEHn-5Pd8Qc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEHn-5Pd8Qc

Buy David's book:http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/dp/1936239914


Republican Party Animal: The "Bad Boy of Holocaust History" Blows the Lid Off Hollywood's Secret Right-Wing Underground Paperback
by David Cole (Author)

"David Stein brought right-wing congressmen, celebrities, writers and entertainment industry figures together for shindigs, closed to outsiders. . . . There was just one problem. Stein was not who he claimed."—The Guardian

In 2013, Republican "hero" David Stein made international headlines when he was unmasked as David Cole, the notorious Jewish Holocaust denier who made an entirely different set of headlines in the 1990s with his videos from within the gates of Auschwitz and his appearances on shows like 60 Minutes and Donahue.

After a $25,000 bounty was put on his head by a violent extremist group, Cole left behind the bizarre world of Holocaust revisionism, a landscape populated by Hitler fetishists who Cole himself detested. Then, David Stein the Republican organizer was born.

Stein soon became a major force in the closed-door world of Hollywood right-wingers—people who felt as alienated from the mainstream of their profession as Cole had felt as the lone Jewish Holocaust revisionist. Soon enough, Stein was working with major GOP power players and far-right Hollywood A-listers, creating huge private events for the West Coast GOP elite . . . until it all came crashing down when a vengeful former girlfriend outed him publicly.

Condemned by those who had previously lauded him, Cole was left with nothing but his story. And here he tells it, warts and all, including the first-ever exposé of the secretive Hollywood far-right underground, "Friends of Abe."

[Neuro]

I wish I could see the video but jootoob is banned in Turkey...

[Bigjon]

I wish I could see the video but jootoob is banned in Turkey...

Use a proxy. I talk smart, but I've never done it. Maybe one of our local geniuses can tell us how?

[PatColo]

bump, I finally listened to the OP interview, VG.

Cole seemed to be very honest in telling what he went through. He claims to have been contributing to the holohoax truth movement through the '00s, while deliberately not being credited.

Host Ry Dawson redeemed himself somewhat in my eyes here-- I'd seen him as a gatekeeper; but he was quite the revisionist of "the great taboo" (hhoax) in this interview.

[PatColo]

Cole on Rense last night, 49 mins:

Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6rjl2y86j7/Rense.20140424.1of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6rjl2y86j7/Rense.20140424.1of3.mp3) Hour 1 - David Cole - Renowned Revisionist Historian

[Cebu_4_2]

I wish I could see the video but jootoob is banned in Turkey...

Surely there is a way around that...

[Bigjon]

Surely there is a way around that...

There is if you use a proxy, like I said. I have tried to do it, but have never been successful.

There are some shows in Norway that I would like to watch, but they only let you watch if they think they are sending to a Scandinavian address.

[Rubicon]

I've had some success viewing banned videos using this site:

http://keepvid.com/

[equineluvr]

Thank you for posting this! I had always wondered what had happened to David Cole. Unfortunately,
I have been so wrapped up with school that I missed his "outing" story of last year.

Nobody can deny that Cole has done some great research. However, that said, his new "persona"
just rubs me the wrong way. He comes across as full of himself and possibly narcissistic.

[PatColo]

Cole on Rense last night, 49 mins:

Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6rjl2y86j7/Rense.20140424.1of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/6rjl2y86j7/Rense.20140424.1of3.mp3) Hour 1 - David Cole - Renowned Revisionist Historian


Cole's $2,200 "payoff" to JDL was intriguing indeed! Talk about common low level mafia/street thugs! Makes you wonder, now that Cole has "re-emerged" and is again giving interviews; is Cole not again jeopardizing his safety, with his renewed, ostensibly frank discussion about the holohoax & what happened to him in the mid/late 90s with the JDL?

Also intriguing was Cole's claim of having been beat up while giving interviews. WTF?! How does that work? So I youtube searched the one show he named as an example; I searched "David Cole" CBS 48 Hours and found nothing on target. Anyone??

Metapedia's short entry on Cole:
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/David_Cole

^ compare with (zio)wikipedia's entry on David Cole... DOH! there is none?! He must not exist!! lol, seriously, search ziopedia for Cole for yourself!


Host Ry Dawson redeemed himself somewhat in my eyes here-- I'd seen him as a gatekeeper; but he was quite the revisionist of "the great taboo" (hhoax) in this interview.

On Ry Dawson/stein (interviewer in the OP here), on balance I still don't trust the guy. He seemed to fit the description which MCPiper gave here http://tinyurl.com/qe7ap99 describing himself, and Ry Dawstein IMHO, among many others of course. At least in the past, RyD was anti-zionist out one side of his mouth, then all too happy to try to smear those who stepped out of line with his promoted views, with canned ADL joospew buzzwords out the other side of his mouth. And the RyD coffin nail IMHO was his dogmatic campaign that a commercial jetliner really did hit the pentagon and anyone who disagrees is a tard-shill-yada-yada. Ref: http://tinyurl.com/mb3pvoe

Me thinks Dawstein's apparently embracing holohoax revisionism in this interview, might be a case of his (handlers?) exercising Principle VII (http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/1199).

[Horn]

I wish I could see the video but jootoob is banned in Turkey...

When I started using the Torch browser it said it was able to unblock sites.

Maybe you had to pay for it as an addon, not sure.

man I can't stand listening to this Cole guy's voice.

[Amanda]

http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2014/04/joshua-blakeney-interviews-revisionist.html

Joshua Blakeney Interviews Revisionist David Cole April .25 2014



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Joshua Blakeney (journalist/radio-host) picked David Cole/Stein’s brain on a great new interview with the elusive Jewish holocaust revisionist turned “Republican Party Animal” turned holocaust revisionist.

David Cole, also known under the alias David Stein, was a prominent holocaust revisionist researcher who received a great deal of notoriety for his work back in the 1990s, appearing on the Montel Williams Show, the Donahue Show, and other mainstream media venues to discuss the issue.

After receiving serious death threats from the Jewish Defence League, a Jewish supremacist group known for terrorist plots and thuggery, Cole recanted his revisionist conclusions and went into hiding for more than a decade.
Last year Cole/Stein was “outed” by an ex-girlfriend, and revealed to be a well-known party organizer for right-wingers in Hollywood. In addition to organizing boozing bonanzas for conservative Hollywood big-wigs, Cole/Stein acted as a consultant on mainstream holocaust films (strangely enough), which Cole, in this interview, described as “pure hokum.” “I didn’t believe any of it,” Cole said of the films he reluctantly helped produce under his kosher persona David Stein.
Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/kv0rthfhal/Joshua.Blakeney.Interviews.Revisionist.David.Cole. 2014.04.25.mp3)


And here's some additional info on Cole/Stein and how he was assaulted by the JDL:


David Cole
History R (http://www.whale.to/b/holocaust_c.html)evisionists (http://www.whale.to/b/holocaust_c.html) [back] Holocaust revisionism (http://www.whale.to/b/holocaust_revisionism.html)http://www.whale.to/b/cole.jpg
[Cole Auschwitz Video was intro into the Hoax by the Whale editor. Became a victim of the JDL. Was physically beaten. Had his life threatened on the Internet by the Jewish Defense League (http://www.whale.to/b/jdl_h.html) 1 (http://www.revisionists.com/revisionists/cole.html). JDL attack on him here (http://www.whale.to/b/david_cole.html). ]
Web: David Cole (http://codoh.com/library/authors/1475)
Articles on CODOH: David Cole (http://codoh.com/library/authors/1475)
The Most Powerful Proof of the Holocaust By Martin Henry (http://www.whale.to/b/henry1.html) For Cole's retraction, the JDL boasts that it was the result of their previous page, and that Cole "was afraid for his life and the relatives he supposedly is taking care of." So for those who didn't believe it possible that the Germans involved in the concentration camps could have been intimidated into make abject confessions, the idea is strikingly confirmed by Cole's retraction, and furthermore the JDL is waving the proof right under your nose.
Cole in Auschwitz. U Tube 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM) codoh (full set) (http://codoh.com/library/document/1001)
A young Jewish holocaust denier, posing as a believer, puts some hard questions to the senior curator of the Auschwitz State Museum. After making this video, a "hit" was put out on Cole, and a reward for information on his whereabouts was issued by Irv Rubin (who years later, was arrested by the FBI for planning to kill a Lebanese-American Congressman.) Fearing assassination, Cole went into hiding. He never surfaced again publicly. (1992, 52 minutes)
Zundel-Cole 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1qLNYbQz1s&feature=related) A German and a Jew investigate Auschwitz together, 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCrhoXBQCeY&feature=related) the swimming pool for the inmates, etc. in Auschwitz. 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur3zyKztQ3g&feature=related)
Ernst Zundel and John Ball re: Schindler's List part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_OhrRGWf4s&feature=related), 2, 3
On January 22, 1992, revisionist activist David Cole was attacked by JDL thugs at a meeting held at the University of California at Los Angeles. Before the meeting began, JDL leader Rubin first tried to push the youthful Cole down a flight of stairs. JDL hoodlums also harassed and pushed around meeting organizer Robert Morrissey. After the meeting commenced, JDL punks tried to shout down the speakers, and then threw food at Cole. Finally, a JDL thug assaulted Cole -- who is Jewish -- hitting him in the face and bloodying his nose.







[B]David Cole at the 1992 IHR Conference. He was attacked by JDL thugs at a meeting in January 1992 at the University of California at Los Angeles.




The tumult was recorded on videotape by a camera crew of the CBS television news program "48 Hours," as well as by news crews of two local Los Angeles television stations. Neither of the two local stations mentioned a word of the incident in their nightly news broadcasts. Similarly, CBS officials decided not to air even a second of this outburst, not even in a segment about Holocaust revisionism that was part of the CBS television network's hour-long magazine-format program "48 Hours" broadcast of February 26, 1992. Network officials apparently decided that scenes of Zionist hoodlums beating a young Jewish revisionist would not "fit" with the image of revisionism that CBS wanted to project to its many viewers. [1993] The Zionist Terror Network Background and Operation of the Jewish Defense League and other Criminal Zionist Groups (http://www.whale.to/b/zionist.html)

External
David Cole's 46 Questions About the Gas Chambers (http://www.vho.org/GB/c/DC/gc46-ORIGI.html)http://www.whale.to/b/ez-cole.jpg (http://www.whale.to/b/zundel_h.html)

[PatColo]

Cole's done a bunch of interviews now with alt media, coz he's basically on a book (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/dp/1936239914) tour! But this latest with Rivero is short (39m) & succinct. Rivero's a dubious actor, joosh himself, and while sympathetic to holohoax truth in this interview, he also works in at one point some yada about the nazis taking over europe-- one of the big ww2 lies.

Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/ojnrer7wfx/What_Really_Happened_with_Michael_Rivero_2014.05.0 5.cole_interview.mp3)


I'll also tack on this video; coz Commie Core Edumbukation (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?71931-Core-math-3-x-4-11) program has mandatory holohoax indoctrination, taught as "non-fiction" no less-- something they discuss a bit above.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjHuuAqhqu0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjHuuAqhqu0

[PatColo]

Cole with fellow secular joo bob tuskin, 1h 55m. Cole notes that for the Montel Williams show, he stipulated that he get a random audience who didn't know what the show topic would be thus the "deck would not be stacked against Cole (& Weber)", and the result was many pleasant & intrigued but not angry reactions, surprising Montel & the CBS producers. Cole dodges the 911 question beginning about the 1 hr mark:


The Bob Tuskin Show April 22 2014 David Cole



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On Tuesday, April 22nd, Bob Tuskin interviewed Jewish Holocaust Revisionist David Stein, aka David Cole, aka “The Republican Party Animal.” They discussed Cole’s past as a Holocaust Revisionist, his disappearance and resurfacing as a GOP organizer, and much more.

Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/qnjycb2t79/The.Bob.Tuskin.Show.2014.04.22.David.Cole.mp3)



Cole's Montel show with co-guest Mark Weber, early 90s, forget which year exactly but it's discussed in the tuskin show above. This is the ONLY archive show which CBS does not resell bonafide copies of, and the only reason it's on YouTube is coz people VHS recorded the show at the time in the early 90 and converted/uploaded when YT came about in mid '00s:

The Complete David Cole and Mark Weber on the Montel Williams Show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9G4zmpKv0)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jx9G4zmpKv0

[PatColo]

couple new Cole interviews. The one with Ry Dawson is best IMHO coz Cole recounts his experience in the 90s with fake "skeptic" Michael Shermer, who, similar to "Amazing Randy" (JREF forum), is all about re-bunking events like 911 & the holohoax (I presume these 2 to be cia assets). Around 2 weeks ago Shermer's lawyer sent Cole & his publisher a cease & desist order to block the publication of Cole's book... then they backed down.



David Cole interviewed by Ry Dawson (Michael Shermer exposed!) June.02.2014

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Michael Shermer tried to get David Cole's book banned. So much for free speech. The reason is in the book David truthfully transcribes a recording where Michael admitted he wrote false information about David in Skeptic Magazine and repeatedly stabbed him in the back. That recording will be released on this show very soon


Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/57w5bkz28s/ANC.Report.2014.06.02.David.Cole.Stein.mp3)


This next one with Josh Blakeney is mostly re-hash of Cole telling the same story as in his flurry of other recent book-promoting interviews. Josh does ask Cole about his 911 views, and Cole basically takes a pass, says he hasn't researched it, blah blah.



Friday, May 30, 2014MP3:
David Cole a/k/a David Stein (http://nwopodcast.com/fetz/media/real%20deal%20josh%20blakeney%20-%20david%20stein%20cole.mp3)
Holocaust researcher undercover in Hollywood (w/ Josh Blakeney)
Posted by Total at 9:38 PM 4 comments: (http://radiofetzer.blogspot.com/2014/05/david-cole-aka-david-stein.html#comment-form)

[PatColo]

couple new Cole interviews. The one with Ry Dawson is best IMHO coz Cole recounts his experience in the 90s with fake "skeptic" Michael Shermer, who, similar to "Amazing Randy" (JREF forum), is all about re-bunking events like 911 & the holohoax (I presume these 2 to be cia assets). Around 2 weeks ago Shermer's lawyer sent Cole & his publisher a cease & desist order to block the publication of Cole's book... then they backed down.

Cole has this article up at CODOH,


MICHAEL SHERMER TRIES TO BAN MY BOOK; DEMANDS I RECANT! (http://codohfounder.com/michael-shermer-tries-to-ban-my-book-demands-i-recant/) Published on Friday, May 30 of 2014 by Sonico

(http://codohfounder.com/author/sonico/)


By David Cole
First Published in
BIG INFIDEL



I’ve known little Mikey Shermer since 1993. I tell many interesting stories about this “skeptic” fraud in my book, Republican Party Animal (available from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/dp/1936239914), Walmart (http://www.walmart.com/ip/29645695), and Barnes & Noble (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/republican-party-animal-david-cole/1117038670?ean=9781936239917&itm=1&usri=9781936239917&cm_mmc=AFFILIATES-_-Linkshare-_-GwEz7vxblVU-_-10%3A1&r=1%2C+1) in the US, Waterstones (http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/david+cole/republican+party+animal/10289686/) and Foyles (http://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/biography/republican-party-animal-the-bad-boy,david-cole-9781936239917) in the UK, Indigo/Chapters (http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/republican-party-animal-the-bad/9781936239917-item.html?ikwid=Republican+Party+Animal&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=0) in Canada…but enough self-promotion).

Shermy got wind of the fact that I include quite a few pages of conversations that I recorded with him in 1994 – conversations in which he admits to defaming me and lying about my work regarding Holocaust revisionism. So, what did “Mr. Freethinker” do? How …
Read More (http://codohfounder.com/michael-shermer-tries-to-ban-my-book-demands-i-recant/)

[PatColo]

Recall when Colestein re-emerged in early Apr, and went on an alt-media publicity blitz; the new book he was hawking was due to be released "soon", he said 1-2 months IIRC. He also boasted of what a coup it was, that it would be available from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/dp/1936239914), Walmart (http://www.walmart.com/ip/29645695), and Barnes & Noble (http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/republican-party-animal-david-cole/1117038670?ean=9781936239917&itm=1&usri=9781936239917&cm_mmc=AFFILIATES-_-Linkshare-_-GwEz7vxblVU-_-10%3A1&r=1%2C+1) in the US, Waterstones (http://www.waterstones.com/waterstonesweb/products/david+cole/republican+party+animal/10289686/) and Foyles (http://www.foyles.co.uk/witem/biography/republican-party-animal-the-bad-boy,david-cole-9781936239917) in the UK, Indigo/Chapters (http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/books/republican-party-animal-the-bad/9781936239917-item.html?ikwid=Republican+Party+Animal&ikwsec=Home&ikwidx=0) in Canada :o

Well his book has been out since June 10 according to amazon, and whoooops, it's getting panned by real Holohoax Revisionists, although it's batting 4.7 out of 5 stars at amazon, with 31 reviews ATM... kosher astroturfing?



Average Customer Review: 4.7 out of 5 stars (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/product-reviews/1936239914) See all reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/product-reviews/1936239914)(31 customer reviews (http://www.amazon.com/Republican-Party-Animal-Hollywoods-Underground/product-reviews/1936239914))



Additionally, Colestein had some sort of spat with Eric Hunt related to Hunt's Treblinka Archaeology Hoax (http://gaschamberhoax.com/) video, but I'd have to find links for what that was all about?

Anyways, here's Toben's chapter by chapter review of Colestein's book:



Fredrick Toben's review of David Cole's "bad boy" book (http://carolynyeager.net/fredrick-tobens-review-david-coles-bad-boy-book)


Published by carolyn on Tue, 2014-07-22 14:29

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Fredrick Töben reviews David Cole’s book:
Republican Party Animal: The “Bad Boy of Holocaust History” blows the lid off Hollywood’s secret right-wing underground



http://carolynyeager.net/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Cole%20book.jpg?itok=CAf3ADrM

Through an internal monologue, the three-page introduction serves to set the scene of a self-declared reluctant author giving an interview to a late-arriving reporter of the JTA – Jewish Telegraph Agency. As he sits in a bar awaiting the reporter’s arrival he reflects upon his own alcoholism and how he had experienced social condemnation because of his Revisionist views, which made him worse than “pedophile Hitler strangling a puppy”.


When I read this sentence I wondered what kind of mindset – only a sick mind – could come up with such an expression, which is fully in tune with the obscenities one finds in the racist-imbued Talmud.


And again I recall German philosopher Martin Heidegger’s words of wisdom that blows Judaism’s “racist-cover”, when he states: “The Jews, with their marked gift for calculating, live, already for the longest time, according to the principle of race, which is why they are resisting its consistent application with utmost violence.”


Although claiming to be free of ideological baggage David Cole does make a lot about his own ideological fixations as expressed in his own above words. It includes claiming he is not “a racist”, something that is, of course, clarified by Heidegger’s analysis of Judaism.


Cole’s claim once to have been an atheist Jew, which changed when he met a notable Rabbi, rings hollow – but more of that later. It is common knowledge that the racist principle of birth, as determined by the female lineage, is part of the hallmark of Jewish identity. And the advantage of having the two powerful words – RACIST and ANTISEMITE – at his disposal is amply illustrated by Cole’s outright amoral behaviour, i.e. moving from one exploitative particular situation to another without ever developing for himself an overarching-universal belief system, except for the racist principle of adopting the identity of a Jew.


more: http://carolynyeager.net/fredrick-tobens-review-david-coles-bad-boy-book

[PatColo]

Additionally, Colestein had some sort of spat with Eric Hunt related to Hunt's Treblinka Archaeology Hoax (http://gaschamberhoax.com/) video, but I'd have to find links for what that was all about?


CYeager did a show on this topic, mostly focused on Colestein's equivocations since he returned to the holohoax revisionism scene. Toben is on beginning top of the 2nd hour. See embedded links for articles in question.




Saturday Afternoon with Carolyn: Revisionists' Treblinka dispute gets personal (http://carolynyeager.net/saturday-afternoon-carolyn-revisionists-treblinka-dispute-gets-personal)

Published by carolyn on Sat, 2014-07-26 18:48

click here to download podcast (http://carolynyeager.net/system/files/SA_Treblinka%20dispute_7-26-14_6721457.mp3)

July 26, 2014


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Front row, far left: Robert Faurisson; third and fourth from left: Ernst Zundel and David Cole; three at far right: Mark Weber, David Irving, Juergen Graf at an IHR Conference in California.


Fredrick Töben (http://carolynyeager.net/fredrick-tobens-review-david-coles-bad-boy-book) joins Carolyn in the 2nd hour as she looks at the current controversy surrounding David Cole and his Treblinka article which was posted on the Feral House (https://www.facebook.com/FeralHouse) Facebook page. Among the points covered:




Why are articles favorable (http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2014/07/the-strange-history-of-david-cole/) to David Cole published at White Nationalist websites?
The need among White people to believe in "the good Jew" is what allows the David Coles to prosper within the Revisionist movement and within White society itself;
Cole presents only two documents as complete proof for his gassing claims, disregarding lack of physical evidence;
Cole has shown himself capable of biting criticism (http://codohfounder.com/david-cole-calls-it-a-day-with-bradley-smith/) of every revisionist who differs with him or who has questioned his conclusions;
Dr. Töben is bothered by Cole's reliance on a rabbi, Dr. Carlos Huerta, as an advisor for his revisionist work;
Can we now have the all out, much-needed debate over the Aktion Reinhardt "extermination" camps free of the fear of being seen as anti-Jewish?
Carl Nordling recommends the scientific method in his article "Scientists against Science (http://www.germanvictims.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/1_04-Typhus.pdf%20)" on page 28.



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[PatColo]

Cole-Stein pipes up on 911 Truth; a topic he's sidestepped when asked last year after he reemerged:


Martinez and Blakeney Respond to David Cole Question About 9/11 and False Flags (http://nonalignedmedia.com/2015/02/martinez-blakeney-respond-david-cole-question-911-false-flags/)

Brandon Martinez (http://nonalignedmedia.com/author/bmar999/) February 16, 2015 Commentary (http://nonalignedmedia.com/category/commentary/) http://nonalignedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/9-11-attack-1024x687.jpg

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David Cole, the author of Republican Party Animals, recently posed (https://www.facebook.com/BigInfidel/posts/10153066036464133?comment_id=10153066231199133&notif_t=like) this question to readers on his Facebook page. He writes:




After 9/11, the official line among the anti-neocon, anti-Zionist, anti-“statist” crowd was that we had experienced “blowback.” The “blowback” argument goes like this: “We’ve been fucking with the Muslims for too long, invading their countries, pushing them around, disrespecting them. And now, we’re reaping the organic, natural, and expected results. The Muslim people have become angry, and they’re fighting back. BLOWBACK!”


Now, however, fourteen years after 9/11, the same crowd appears to have replaced “BLOWBACK!” with “False Flag!” The False Flag argument goes like this: “There is NO Muslim terrorism. It’s just JOOS or the CIA or Baron Rothschild faking attacks in order to frame Muslims. These attacks are phonies, carried out either by agents of the JOOS/CIA/Rothschilds, or by Muslim traitors who’ve been paid off or recruited by the conspirators. But regardless, it’s not organic.


Okay, here’s my question:

“BLOWBACK!” and “False Flag!” are incompatible. They can’t both be true. “BLOWBACK!” demands that the terror events organically originate from Muslims, by their own desires, and their own motivations. Muslims are pissed, and they’re fighting back. “False Flag!” is the opposite. The Muslims are NOT fighting back. Rather, “we” (the West, the Joos) are the ones faking the attacks and framing them.


So which one is it? “BLOWBACK!” or “False Flag?”




Blakeney’s responses are as follows:




Why is the following scenario so unfathomable for you? Muslims are angry because the Zio-West has destroyed their countries etc etc. The most angry and aggressive of those Muslims are viewed as assets rather than as adversaries by the CIA/Mossad/MI5 because they can be exported to the West to serve as patsies in false-flag events which enable unpopular foreign and domestic policies. …


There is a distinction made by the scholars involved in this field between MIHOP (made-it-happen-on-purpose) and LIHOP (let-it-happen-on-purpose). If you recruit the patsy, bring the patsy to a Western nation, arm the patsy etc etc then it is not organic. It was made-to-happen-on-purpose. Some peasant in Yemen may be angry but he would never fathom actually doing such an attack without it being made possible by the false-flag planners. Furthermore, the actions of such a patsy are then typically used to implement policies against Iran, Hezbollah etc who had nothing to do with it. Furthermore, with most of these false-flags additional acts of complicity take place. More than 2000 architects and engineers have demonstrated that the smooth, symmetrical collapse of WTC Building 7 was a controlled demolition. That wasn’t done by Muslims taking orders from a guy in a cave in Afghanistan. As you admitted in the interview we did together, you’ve not studied this subject adequately. You’ve not read David Griffin’s eleven scholarly books on this subject, for example.




Martinez responded:




It’s quite simple David. More information has come to light since the time when many were saying 9/11 was “blowback” which demonstrates that the blowback hypothesis is inadequate to explain the myriad of holes in the official conspiracy theory. Things like the apparent controlled demolition of the Twin Towers and Building 7, the unlikelihood of ragtag, low brow al-Qaeda people who were not very apt pilots successfully executing fantastical maneuvers and outfoxing the multi-billon dollar US intelligence and defence apparatus. The convergence of evidence makes it highly improbable that 19 guys with boxcutters did 9/11 without any support from inside the US government.


9/11 was the neocons’ self-styled ‘New Pearl Habour’ and Israel’s ‘Hannukkah miracle’ which kick started more than a decade of American war-making in the Middle East. All of this was planned beforehand and was an ‘open secret’ in neocon circles. As a result of the past 15 years of US aggression in the Muslim world infinitely more Muslims are now willing to risk everything to harm the US and its allies, much to the liking of the Zionist neocons who aim to perpetuate an artificial ‘clash of civilizations.’ Now that there is an abundance of disaffected Muslims who seek revenge, all the intelligence agencies have to do is encourage them to commit a violent act by way of an undercover agent or informant, covertly provide them with the weaponry, and ‘let it happen.’ There’s a very fine line between a ‘let it happen’ and ‘made it happen’ style false flag. Either way there is complicity from the State which the media consistently hides from the public.


Also David, your premise is not logical. You’re acting as if there is an internal inconsistency in ‘truther’ thinking in that everyone who once proposed 9/11 was blowback are now saying it was a false flag. Some people, like Chomsky, Greenwald, Ron Paul, etc. still maintain the blowback hypothesis, whereas many have suggested it was a false flag from the beginning.


My book Grand Deceptions: Zionist Intrigue in the 20th and 21st Centuries (http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Deceptions-Zionist-Intrigue-Centuries/dp/1615778411/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1415505281&sr=8-1) makes a strong case for Israeli involvement in the 9/11 attacks and other false flags.