Armed Feds Prepare For Showdown With Nevada Cattle Rancher

[Ares]

A Ruby Ridge-style standoff is brewing in Nevada, where dozens of armed federal agents are closing in on cattle rancher Cliven Bundy over claims that Bundy has allowed his cows to graze illegally on government land, endangering a protected species of tortoise.

Vowing to take a stand for, “your liberty and freedom,” Bundy says he is prepared to be killed as authorities surround a 600,000 acre section of public land as a result of Bundy violating a 1993 Bureau of Land Management ruling which changed grazing rights in order to protect the endangered desert tortoise.

“With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake,” Bundy said.

Bundy’s refusal to recognize federal authority over the land under dispute and his failure to pay tens of thousands of dollars in grazing fees stems from his assertion that his family’s history trumps bureaucracy.

“My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed,” Bundy said.

Accusing feds of seizing Nevada’s sovereignty, Bundy says he has fought the battle legally, through the media, and is now gearing up to fight it physically.

“Armed agents are forming a a military-like staging area to prevent anyone from approaching the area,” writes Mike Paczesny.

Bundy asserts that his case is emblematic of how America has been transformed into a “police state,” labeling the government’s actions “pathetic”.

Hundreds of federal officials, aided by helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy’s cattle on Saturday as Bundy accused them of “trespassing,” adding that the impact will only serve to raise beef prices for residents of Las Vegas 80 miles away.

Feds postponed a similar raid in 2012 over fears the action would spur violence. Bundy has drawn a lot of support from the local community and protesters are heading to the area to demand authorities back off. Officials have created a taped off “First Amendment Area” where demonstrators can voice their concerns. A sign placed inside the area reads “Welcome to Amerika – Wake Up” alongside a hammer and sickle logo.

“The rights were created for us,” Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. “I have the right to use the forage. I have water rights. I have access rights. I have range improvement rights, and I claim all the other rights that the citizens of Nevada have, whether it’s to camp, to fish or to go off road.”

Addressing the justification of seizing the cattle to protect a species of tortoise, Bundy stated, “I’ll never get it. If it weren’t for our cattle, there’d be more brush fires out here. The tortoises eat the cow manure, too. It’s filled with protein.”

The standoff has echoes of the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident, during which Randy Weaver, accused of selling an ATF agent two illegal sawed-off shotguns, became embroiled in a tragic confrontation with the the United States Marshals Service (USMS) and the FBI, resulting in the death of Weaver’s son Sammy, his wife Vicki, and Deputy U.S. Marshal William Francis Degan.

The story also brings back memories of New Hampshire couple Ed and Elaine Brown, who were involved in a nine month standoff with armed law enforcement and feds as a result of their refusal to pay income tax. The Browns were later convicted of “plotting to kill federal agents” because of their refusal to surrender and were both given de facto life sentences.

In a series of YouTube videos, Cliven Bundy and his wife outline the background behind their decision to take a stand against the feds, arguing that their fight is a constitutionally-driven line in the sand to push back against the usurpation of big government.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuzT67Ekles&feature=player_embedded

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuzT67Ekles&feature=player_embedded

http://www.infowars.com/armed-feds-prepare-for-showdown-with-nevada-cattle-rancher/

[willie pete]

I doubt this will end good for Mr. Bundy; just ask Randy Weaver ::)

[Serpo]

http://www.tortoise.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/Evil.jpg.w560h315.jpg

[Tumbleweed]

He won a battle but I don't think it will end. People who don't understand nature want him off the land.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKN2vnVvSD8


He explains in this video how having grazing animals are a benefit to the landscape.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG99Gb-YPTA


He explains here how cattle turn the vegetation into hamburger in this video



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_26LM4VSaY

[Tumbleweed]

This video is long but he's teaching people about the constitution and how he won a battle against the Feds. I think it's pretty interesting.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iygs0yURzRo

[Ares]

Well now we know that the BLM is completely FULL OF SHIT!

Government plans to euthanize hundreds of desert tortoises after budget cuts to refuge

A combination of federal budget austerity and the dramatic decline of the Nevada housing market may claim some unlikely victims: desert tortoises.

The Desert Tortoise Conservation Center — a 23-year-old federal refuge in Las Vegas for the threatened species — has collected only $290,000 from its primary funding source of local developer fees over the last 11 months, the AP reports. The center can’t count on the Bureau of Land Management, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service or Nevada Department of Wildlife to make up the shortfall on the center’s $1 million annual operating budget because of federal and state budget constraints.

The result? Center administrators are planning to close the 220-acre facility in 2014 and euthanize about half of the 1400 tortoises under their protection, the AP reports. No more than 100,000 of the desert tortoises are believed to exist in the wild. Most of the tortoises there are former pets returned to their habitat once the government classified the species as threatened — one step short of endangered. And most are too feeble to be returned to the wild, the AP reports.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/08/25/government-plans-to-euthanize-hundreds-of-desert-tortoises-after-budget-cuts-to-refuge/

[chad]

the real story behind this is that the blm didn't care if the cattle were there, they just wanted the per head rent money. this was all forced by agenda 21 environmentalists who threatened to sue the fed gov if the cattle were not removed. this whole thing is the result of a handful of extreme agenda 21 people and lawyers. they only want native animals there, no people, no nothing. it's a whole agenda 21 thing.

[Tumbleweed]

Looks like this is probably the most recent video and it shows Cliven Bundy and his boys horseback photographing the SOB's hired by the Feds coming to steel his cattle with all new equipment. The hired guns are also there and I expect they will shoot him and boys down if they show any sign of resistance like the camper in New Mexico.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHqQiSp0VmU

[Ares]

the real story behind this is that the blm didn't care if the cattle were there, they just wanted the per head rent money. this was all forced by agenda 21 environmentalists who threatened to sue the fed gov if the cattle were not removed. this whole thing is the result of a handful of extreme agenda 21 people and lawyers. they only want native animals there, no people, no nothing. it's a whole agenda 21 thing.

I was leaning more towards water resources, but that makes sense as well.

[monty]

My sister in law's Uncle Wayne Hage and her cousin Wayne Jr. have fought a long, hard and expensive battle against these ruthless thugs.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-rancher-details-long-fight-property-rights

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[Tumbleweed]

I was leaning more towards water resources, but that makes sense as well.

His ancestors and family have developed the water that benefits the livestock and wildlife in the area. This video below explains that.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyVMlAdLJVk



The video below explains what has happened to the tortoises. They should listen to him. He's lived
here all his life and has observed the natural enviroment and how it works together to benefit the tortoises.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYqWm-LWWjQ

[palani]

...have fought a long, hard and expensive battle against these ruthless thugs.
Could be there would be no issue if they agreed with the 'thugs'? The basics of the situation are: IT IS A CONTRACT DISPUTE.

Seeing as how the dispute revolves around UNCLAIMED PROPERTY then maybe someone should claim the property and take away the source of the dispute?

http://water.epa.gov/action/adopt/

http://water.epa.gov/type/watersheds/what.cfm

The commercial plane is bankrupt. We all live in a watershed though.

[Ares]

My sister in law's Uncle Wayne Hage and her cousin Wayne Jr. have fought a long, hard and expensive battle against these ruthless thugs.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-rancher-details-long-fight-property-rights

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Damn, after all those years and all that money still no answers on that case.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I agree this whole thing stinks of Agenda 21.

[monty]

Could be there would be no issue if they agreed with the 'thugs'? The basics of the situation are: IT IS A CONTRACT DISPUTE. Seeing as how the dispute revolves around UNCLAIMED PROPERTY then maybe someone should claim the property and take away the source of the dispute? http://water.epa.gov/action/adopt/ http://water.epa.gov/type/watersheds/what.cfm The commercial plane is bankrupt. We all live in a watershed though.

87 % of our state is "unclaimed property". How do you propose we claim it? Since the closure of the homestead act anyone who has claimed any of this property, with the exception of mining claims, has been forcefully evicted by these bureaucrats.

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[monty]

I agree this whole thing stinks of Agenda 21.

It is absolutely 100% agenda 21

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[chad]

you can read all about the agenda 21 people threatening to sue and the case #'s, etc. on the bundy's own website. here is what it all boils down to though:

http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/reid-introduces-bill-create-gold-butte-national-conservation-area

[palani]

... with the exception of mining claims ...

I start a claim with a legal notice. If that doesn't raise anyones ire then I follow it up with a more detailed notice at courthouses and post offices. If there is no objection then I take some metal stakes and some notices sandwiched between plexiglass (for water protection) and I dig a 3" deep hole, plug in the metal stake with the plexiglass chained to it to identify the boundary marker. Cover that with dirt and pile some stones on top. I also pull a sample of the dirt at each marker (livery of seisin) and in return for the gift of the soil I plant some wild rose seeds. A witness is brought along to provide an affidavit at each step.

That pretty much covers it.

I have a neat picture of a federal security 'officer' cutting down my notice at a federal courthouse. It provides proof that the federal government takes my claim seriously and has received proper notice.

[midnight rambler]

Many years ago where there was justice in this land cattle rustlers got hung.

[Ares]

I start a claim with a legal notice. If that doesn't raise anyones ire then I follow it up with a more detailed notice at courthouses and post offices. If there is no objection then I take some metal stakes and some notices sandwiched between plexiglass (for water protection) and I dig a 3" deep hole, plug in the metal stake with the plexiglass chained to it to identify the border. Cover that with dirt and pile some stones on top. I also pull a sample of the dirt at each marker (livery of seisin) and in return for the gift of the soil I plant some wild rose seeds. A witness is brought along to provide an affidavit at each step.

That pretty much covers it.

I have a neat picture of a federal security 'officer' cutting down my notice at a federal courthouse. It provides proof that the federal government takes my claim seriously and has received proper notice.

That only applies to a government that recognizes your property. We haven't had a government that recognizes rights since 1865.

[Tumbleweed]

Feds deploy snipers, arrest man for filming outside First Amendment area


http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/2d/be/2dbe4cf602eca80b456f31d4123dff34.jpg?itok=1T8whsM4 Getty Im
Joe Newby (http://www.examiner.com/policy-and-issues-in-national/joe-newby)Policy & Issues Examine (http://www.examiner.com/policy-and-issues-in-national/joe-newby)
April 7, 2014

On Sunday, the Logandale, Nev.-based Moapa Valley Progress (http://mvprogress.com/2014/04/06/one-of-bundy%E2%80%99s-sons-arrested-in-roundup-incident/) reported that Dave Bundy, son of rancher Cliven Bundy, was arrested while taking photographs of his family’s cattle that are being rounded up by federal agents. According to the report, Bundy was violating an arbitrary "First Amendment (http://www.examiner.com/topic/first-amendment)" zone that had been established by federal agents. Worse yet, federal agents also deployed snipers (http://www.examiner.com/topic/snipers) against the man.
“He was doing nothing but standing there and filming the landscape,” Ryan Bundy said of his brother Dave. “We were on the state highway, not even off of the right-of-way. Even if they want to call [the area that we were filming] federal land; which it’s not; we weren’t even on it. We were on the road.”
None of the family members on the road were armed, but 11 BLM (http://www.examiner.com/topic/blm) vehicles each with two agents arrived and surrounded him as he began filming the cattle, Paul Joseph Watson said at Infowars (http://www.infowars.com/federal-snipers-train-guns-on-family-for-filming-cattle/).
“They also had four snipers on the hill above us all trained on us. We were doing nothing besides filming the area,” Ryan added.
Bundy also said federal agents told them they had no First Amendment rights except in the areas so marked.
"The BLM has established two fenced areas near the City of Mesquite, that they have designated as free speech areas for members of the public to express their opinions," the Progress said.
Officers ordered family members to leave immediately, but Bundy apparently didn't obey fast enough and was reportedly set upon by agents.
“He was filming and talking on the phone, I don’t know to whom,” Ryan said. “It happened pretty fast. They came down on him hard and had a German Shepherd on him. And then they took him.”
Ryan said he stayed and witnessed the entire incident.
“I told them that I was not going to engage them and that I just wanted to take my brother with me. But they were pushing, pushing, pushing! So I did stay there long enough to witness the whole thing, about 10 feet away from me,” he told the Progress.
BLM officials said little about the arrest (http://www.examiner.com/topic/arrest), only telling the Progress that an arrest had been made.
“An individual is in custody in order to protect public safety and maintain the peace,” BLM officials said in an email. “The individual has rights and therefore details about the arrest will not be disclosed until and unless charges are filed.”
Ryan told the Progress Sunday he still doesn't know what charges have been leveled against his brother.
“They mentioned some code over their loudspeakers. I don’t know what it was, but it was something or other federal code. That is what they arrested him on, was that premise," he said.
Making matters worse, Bundy says the family has nowhere to go for assistance.
“We don’t have any policing representation,” he said. “Our local police will not respond. The County Sheriff will not respond. NHP will not respond.”
Bundy's father, Cliven, had reportedly called for help, but was told to get off the phone or face arrest, the Progress added.
The incident is the latest in an ongoing issue involving a crackdown on some 600,000 acres of federal land the Bundy family says has been in their family for generations
Watson said the roundup is designed to protect the habitat of a desert tortoise the government says is endangered.
He added:
Some fear the dispute could turn into a Ruby Ridge-style violent standoff because Bundy has said he is prepared to become a martyr for what he perceives as a constitutional stance against tyranny.

Watson also said the story, which so far has remained local, threatens to re-ignite "resentment over big government and a federal bureaucracy increasingly trampling on the rights of the American people to be left alone."

http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-deploy-snipers-arrest-man-for-filming-outside-first-amendment-area

[palani]

We haven't had a government that recognizes rights since 1865.

That remains to be seen.

If you use the same techniques they use and their techniques are valid per their law then why would the same techniques not be valid when you perform them?

There is a valid maxim of law here: SIMIUS VIDERE SIMIUS FACERE. or in English "MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO".

[Ares]

That remains to be seen.

If you use the same techniques they use and their techniques are valid per their law then why would the same techniques not be valid when you perform them?

There is a valid maxim of law here: SIMIUS VIDERE SIMIUS FACERE. or in English "MONKEY SEE MONKEY DO".

That has been demonstrated already. This case is a prime example. If anything This rancher should be entitled to squatters rights as he has maintained and made use of the land before the BLM was even a thought. How is it that the federal government can declare land theirs (public) with no claim or title, yet demand payment for allowing his cattle to graze on the very same land that his family has used for over 100 years?

[palani]

How is it that the federal government can declare land theirs (public) with no claim or title, yet demand payment for allowing his cattle to graze on the very same land that his family has used for over 100 years?

I presume he has been making a payment for the grazing rights on this land.

Over several generations a family of freemen might be converted to a family of villeins. The villein belongs to the land and not the other way around.

The federal government was created in bankruptcy and has a bit of trouble leaving that heritage behind. This attribute is like the smell of a skunk. You rub up to a skunk enough the smell is likely to follow you around. In this case the law of a bankrupt is no law at all. Check your wallet to see if you have any smell in there .... in the form of a FRN.

[midnight rambler]

Latest -

http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/

[Dogman]

Screwed blued and tattooed

Hope he wins, but with the power that is thrown, it becomes a money/wait thing.

They want him to move and they are per-paired to wait years and let the legal costs mount up, which will make most give up and move!

They are doing a form of imminent domain on his ass, The hell with the family's rights and how long they were there, even before there was a BLM. It boils down to money and intent, the gov has the cash, and they will play their games. The landholder/user despite how long they are or have been there. They are forced to fight the gov using the gov legal system, and rack up legal bills, for the individual major bucks, for the gov. chicken feed.

Sorry for all of the people going through this, Monty, your relatives also. It is a power game, to drive old ways of life off the land!

Gov at its worst, It is just like imminent domain, tho on a slower track.

[Tumbleweed]

A facebook page has been set up for the Bundy family and looks like it's a place for information to be shared on what's happening.

https://www.facebook.com/support.cliven.bundy

[Dogman]

A facebook page has set up for the Bundy family and looks like it's a place for information to be shared.

https://www.facebook.com/support.cliven.bundy

Good, tho it will end up like up or near like ruby ridge and or they will "invent" some aggression to justify their crap.

I just hope the guy can walk the tight rope the they have him on, he slips and they win. Kudos, that he has lasted this long and hope he wins.

It will take getting and getting the major attention of the national news, yes blurbs have been made, but needs to be bigger than that. Now it still is a local thing.

The blm/indian and others that try and lay clam to the west, despite family's that may have live on the land for more than 100 years, does amaze me, and seeing them treated this way now , because of ____________fill in the blank of save the world idiots..

Nuff said, pisses me off.

[Serpo]

Is Bundy Ranch The Next Waco or Ruby Ridge?



http://guerillamedianetwork.com/episode-675-is-bundy-ranch-the-next-waco-or-ruby-ridge/ (http://guerillamedianetwork.com/episode-675-is-bundy-ranch-the-next-waco-or-ruby-ridge/)


http://guerillamedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sheriff-Mack-Statement-Regarding-Bundy-Ranch.mp3




(http://guerillamedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sheriff-Mack-Statement-Regarding-Bundy-Ranch.mp3)http://www.infowars.com/supporters-rally-to-defend-family-facing-red-dawn-showdown-with-feds/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90LtLwXXnp4http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90LtLwXXnp4

[monty]

Screwed blued and tattooed Hope he wins, but with the power that is thrown, it becomes a money/wait thing. They want him to move and they are per-paired to wait years and let the legal costs mount up, which will make most give up and move! They are doing a form of imminent domain on his ass, The hell with the family's rights and how long they were there, even before there was a BLM. It boils down to money and intent, the gov has the cash, and they will play their games. The landholder/user despite how long they are or have been there. They are forced to fight the gov using the gov legal system, and rack up legal bills, for the individual major bucks, for the gov. chicken feed. Sorry for all of the people going through this, Monty, your relatives also. It is a power game, to drive old ways of life off the land! Gov at its worst, It is just like imminent domain, tho on a slower track.

It is a money and power thing. Years ago when I was working in the Kenworth truck shop on night shift a trucker came in for service. The man didn't look like a truck driver to me. He looked like a rancher. I said to him "you look like a rancher to me. What are you doing driving a truck"? He told yes, he had been a rancher in Montana but the BLM had filed numerous law suits against him and his family. He said the government never won a single case but the cost of litigacition broke them. They were forced to sell. He had bought a truck with his share and was hauling livestock for a living.

One of my classmates, and very close friend is a cattleman. He went to collage against his father's advice. He has had more than his share of harrasment from the BLM, but says his college training has given him the tools he needs to stay one jump ahead of them.

Nevada has the best politicians money can buy so Agenda 21 is happily marching forward.

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[monty]

If we had a governor worth his salt, he would call out the Militia (national guard) and put a stop to this shit.

edit to add:

And the contract "cowboys" should be tared and feathered. It saddens me to see these low lifes turning against thier fellow man.

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[palani]

call out the Militia (national guard)

Errr ... the national guard is not the militia. You are. Get together, elect an officer and the governor must issue a commission. He has no choice.

[monty]

I read in news one the Bundy's sons was arrested for filming the feds. He was apparently arrested by one of the BLM's boys. These so called law enforcemnt officers of th BLM and the U S Forest Service have absolutly no jurisdiction in any of the several States, on or off federal land. Their jurisdiction is limited to another federal employee. Wayne Hage knew this. Wayne insisted they bring the sheriff or hs deputies to maintain the peace. The only power they have over the people is intimidation Sent from my iPad using Forum Runner

[monty]

Errr ... the national guard is not the militia. You are. Get together, elect an officer and the governor must issue a commission. He has no choice.


Palani, I understand this.

That was posted with much sarcasm. Grrrrrr



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[palani]

That was posted with much sarcasm.
No sarcasm intended on my end. I can't speak to your end.

http://i59.tinypic.com/adhhjb.jpg

http://books.google.com/books?id=lkA4AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nevada+law&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3k9FU-WjFcTr2QXt-YGQCg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nevada%20law&f=false

[palani]

This is precious. It seems if the feds are out rounding up estray neat-footed critters then there is a state procedure by which they must proceed. If they don't proceed as outlined the crime is grand larceny and even the justice of the peace may be amerced.

http://i59.tinypic.com/2q1s2dt.jpg

[monty]

No sarcasm intended on my end. I can't speak to your end. http://books.google.com/books?id=lkA4AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=nevada+law&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3k9FU-WjFcTr2QXt-YGQCg&ved=0CEYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=nevada%20law&f=false


The sarcasm was on my end. If we had the militia as is mandated in our state constitutions . . . .

And gold and silver coin . . . .

Nevada was admitted to the Union during the Civil War with less than the legal required population. The state gave up the rights of ownership of the land in exchange for statehood without the required population. This was written into the enabling act. Some, including me, believe this violates the equal footing doctrine.

Pollard vs Hagan "that all navigable waters within the said State shall forever remain public highways, free to the citizens of said State, and of the United States, without any tax, duty, impost, or toll therefor imposed by said State,"
conveys no more power over the navigable waters of Alabama to the Government of the United States than it possesses over the navigable waters of other States under the provisions of the Constitution.
And it leaves as much right in the State of Alabama over them as the original States possess over navigable waters within their respective limits.


The shores of navigable waters, and the soils under them, were not granted by the Constitution to the United States, but were reserved to the States respectively, and the new States have the same rights, sovereignty, and jurisdiction over this subject as the original States.


This last sentence implies that the land not submerged belongs to the State because it was not granted to the United States by the Constitution

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[monty]

This is precious. It seems if the feds are out rounding up estray neat-footed critters then there is a state procedure by which they must proceed. If they don't proceed as outlined the crime is grand larceny and even the justice of the peace may be amerced.

These are not estray creatures. They are branded cattle on designated permitted areas with grazing fees paid to the same organization that is consficating them. This is cattle rustling on a grand scale.

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[madfranks]

Latest -

http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/


Environmentalists are praising the government’s forceful actions, which are being taken to protect the “desert tortoise.”


“They’re carrying the same things a soldier would,” he said. “Automatic weapons, sniper rifles, top communication, top surveillance equipment, lots of vehicles. It’s heavy soldier type equipment.”
His wife, Carol Bundy, said that roughly 200 armed agents from the BLM and FBI are stationed around their land, located about 75 miles outside of Las Vegas. Helicopters circle the premises, and the airspace and nearby roads remain blocked.
“We’re surrounded,” Carol Bundy said. “We’re estimating that there are over 200 armed BLM, FBI. We’ve got surveillance cameras at our house, they’re probably listening to me talk to you right now.”


This afternoon eight helicopters surrounded the family after they began taking pictures, according to Bundy’s daughter, Bailey.


Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval (R.) voiced his concern about so-called “First Amendment Areas,” designated locations set up by the BLM where citizens can protest the removal.

I'm sad to say I don't think this is going to end well for Mr. Bundy and his family. This is a classic example of how all federal laws, even as "benign" as being taxed $1.35 per "animal unit", when refused, will be enforced at the point of a gun. It doesn't matter that the gov is spending millions of tax dollars enforcing this fiasco, their control and their power must be maintained at any cost.

[madfranks]

I just hope the guy can walk the tight rope the they have him on, he slips and they win. Kudos, that he has lasted this long and hope he wins.

No kidding, one mis-step and he's done for. You can bet your ass these agents are just waiting with baited breath for one slip up so they can justify murdering him and his whole family. Then they'll get rewards and accolades for taking town "domestic terrorists". Makes me sick.

[monty]

I took this photo 5 minutes ago:

6220

These are Pine Creek Ranch (Hage) cattle grazing unmolested by the BLM for the first time in 20 years since the federal judge ordered the grazing permits restored.

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[monty]

No kidding, one mis-step and he's done for. You can bet your ass these agents are just waiting with baited breath for one slip up so they can justify murdering him and his whole family. Then they'll get rewards and accolades for taking town "domestic terrorists". Makes me sick.


If his ranch was in Nye County our sheriff, Tony De Meo would see that due process was followed. But in Clark County it doesn't appear to be that way.

On the other hand if Governor
Sandoval had any balls he would have defused the situation instead of making stupid political statements for the press

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[Ares]

If his ranch was in Nye County our sheriff, Tony De Meo would see that due process was followed. But in Clark County it doesn't appear to be that way.

On the other hand if Governor
Sandoval had any balls he would have defused the situation instead of making stupid political statements for the press

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Most people, including state politicians believe the states are SUBSERVIENT to the federal government and not the other way around.

[monty]

Most people, including state politicians believe the states are SUBSERVIENT to the federal government and not the other way around.

Sad but true.

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[palani]

...the states are SUBSERVIENT to the federal government and not the other way around.

Direct result of dual citizenship per the 14th amendment. Here is the law that this violates

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.

Paying feudal tenures to the federal government in the form of grazing rights establishes pecking order.

[Dogman]

it is a money and power thing. Years ago when i was working in the kenworth truck shop on night shift a trucker came in for service. The man didn't look like a truck driver to me. He looked like a rancher. I said to him "you look like a rancher to me. What are you doing driving a truck"? He told yes, he had been a rancher in montana but the blm had filed numerous law suits against him and his family. He said the government never won a single case but the cost of litigacition broke them. They were forced to sell. He had bought a truck with his share and was hauling livestock for a living.

One of my classmates, and very close friend is a cattleman. He went to collage against his father's advice. He has had more than his share of harrasment from the blm, but says his college training has given him the tools he needs to stay one jump ahead of them.

Nevada has the best politicians money can buy so agenda 21 is happily marching forward.

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[midnight rambler]

He said the government never won a single case but the cost of litigacition broke them.

His adversary was the wicked who have unlimited resources at their disposal and they derive their satisfaction in life from fucking over others - quite possibly the nastiest combination there is.

[Buddha]

87 % of our state is "unclaimed property". How do you propose we claim it? Since the closure of the homestead act anyone who has claimed any of this property, with the exception of mining claims, has been forcefully evicted by these bureaucrats.

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Claim it like the gov. claimed Iraq, bunch of men with guns and the such.

[Cebu_4_2]

Nevada Rancher: “Wake up America…They are taking everything away from us” By Nick Sorrentino (http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/author/nick-sorrentino/) on April 9, 2014
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Well the “range war” out west continues on. The Feds have decided that a piece of land which has been ranched by the Bundy family for decades is off limits. (They decided this 20 years ago.) The Bundy’s didn’t comply. Now the proverbial dung is hitting the fan.
The Bundy’s say (along with the Governor of Nevada and one of the state’s Senators) that the Bureau of Land Management has overstepped its bounds by bringing in a small army of heavily armed agents, including snipers perched on ridges to chase the Bundy’s off the range land.
The Feds have also impounded cattle and have sought to restrict the filming of the showdown, erecting at one point a “1st Amendment zone” tucked away from the action.
Virtually the entire west is governed by the BLS which over the years has expanded its power and has sought to restrict the rights of farmers and ranchers. .
Why do these things always seem to happen around tax day?

(From KSL.com)
Logue said Dave Bundy was taking pictures and recording on his iPad when he was asked by federal employees what he was doing. Logue said that Dave Bundy told the BLM workers that he was “exercising (his) First Amendment rights.”
“He did not resist arrest, but they continued to beat him,” Logue told KSL. “They put him on the ground and were standing on his head and had a dozen officers on top of him and dogs.”
The Bundy family was asked to leave the premises after Dave Bundy’s arrest. Logue said that there were snipers and uniformed men on the scene during the cattle impoundment.
Click here for the the article. (http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=1070&sid=29387272&fm=most_popular)

[Cebu_4_2]

Hundreds of Armed Feds and Snipers Surround Nevada Cattle Ranchers Property: Is This the Next Ruby Ridge?



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UPDATE: Strike teams of 15-20 agents are attempting to take the cattle and often in the process killing and burying the cattle in the desert. A group of roughly 120 peaceful protestors attempted to stop them and got in front of a convoy of agents in an attempt to call in the local sheriff as they perceived this as an illegal action.
BLM agents began violently attacking the protestors, throwing women to the ground with a number of men being tazed. Agents had assault weapons and sidearms drawn but due to the mass of peaceful protestors, ended up retreating after their initial attack. Protestors are awaiting and anticipating a more forceful response and requesting assistance from all freedom fighters/lovers in the SW U.S. and nationwide.

Clark County, Nev., April 9, 2014- Over the past two decades there has been an ongoing standoff between the U.S. federal government and a 67-year-old local Nevada cattle rancher named Clive Bundy. This past week armed federal agents were deployed in what is a clear escalation in this ongoing feud.

Clive Bundy, the last of the cattle ranchers in Clark County, refuses to comply with a court order from 2013 that orders him to remove his cattle from public land managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) a division of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

The BLM and the U.S National Park Service claim that they are simply responding to Mr. Bundy’s refusal to comply with the order by calling in federal agents and contract cowboys to confiscate what they call Mr. Bundy’s “trespass cattle.” Thus far, they have impounded roughly 277 of Clive Bundy’s estimated 900 cattle.

The Bureau of Land Management claims on their website (http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/more/trespass_cattle.html) that the, “Cattle have been in trespass on public lands in southern Nevada for more than two decades. This is unfair to the thousands of other ranchers who graze livestock in compliance with federal laws and regulations throughout the West. The Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. An impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is now being conducted as a last resort.”
As reported by The Blaze, the ranchers wife Carol Cox says there now appears to be snipers stationed around the family’s 150-acre ranch.

Mr. Bundy, a lifelong rancher, compares the government escalation to actions that the government has taken in Ruby Ridge, ID (http://reason.com/archives/1993/10/01/ambush-at-ruby-ridge) and Waco, TX (http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/26/revisiting-the-waco-siege). He contends that the Gold Butte area has been used by his family since the late 1800’s and that he has preemptive rights to the land. Bundy claims that the Bureau of Land Management has clearly “overstepped its boundaries by not letting me access my rights, not recognizing state sovereignty, and having over 200 armed officers watching our every move and stealing our cattle.”

Mr. Bundy’s daughter Shiree Bundy Cox in a letter explains the feud from the family’s perspective:


“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management. They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes. In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now they’re desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my father’s property. His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

The government position is that Bundy owes them for grazing fees that he stopped paying in 1993, which he argued in court that he had no obligation to pay the agency, as his ancestors worked the land before the existence of the Bureau of Land Management. Subsequently, in 1998, the land was declared completely off limits to cattle as it was declared a designated habitat for the federally protected desert tortoise.

Although Clive Bundy attempted to pay the county, they refused his payment. BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon, says that “The estimated amount owed by him… totals $1.1 million.” Cost estimates for the cattles removal from the land are approximately $3 million dollars, which the taxpayer will be responsible for paying.
When Cannon was asked about the claim that snipers are on scene, she refused to confirm or deny the allegation saying, “There are law enforcement and other personnel in place as needed to ensure that the BLM and National Park Services employees and contractors are able to conduct the operation safely. Specific operations information regarding this impoundment will not be released.”

In addition to the heavily armed federal presence, the Bundy’s 37-year-old son Dave was arrested, “following failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands,” stated Cannon. Dave Bundy was held overnight after being arrested for refusing to disperse and resisting issuance of a citation or arrest. He claims he was arrested and r (http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Son-of-rancher-in-public-land-dispute-arrested-by/saisWvjFk0uuzq70psP4Zw.cspx)oughed up for filming (http://www.mynews3.com/content/news/story/Son-of-rancher-in-public-land-dispute-arrested-by/saisWvjFk0uuzq70psP4Zw.cspx) federal agents while outside an area designated for First Amendment activity on the disputed land. Cannon was unable to explain why he was held overnight and refused to comment on the allegations of brutality.

Through it all, Clive Bundy stands firm stating, “It’s a freedom issue. It’s not about cows. It’s a states rights issue. I really hope that we can learn to defend our liberties here and keep on fighting until the end. I don’t know when the end is going to be, but I believe that America is the greatest land in the world and it needs to be protected. Our rights and liberties need to be protected and we’re going to stand for that.”



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[Cebu_4_2]

http://youtu.be/wWhFm80Phqk

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[Ares]

URGENT! Nevada militia is mobilizing! Cliven Bundy ranch


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTjZAgy1_Mc

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTjZAgy1_Mc

[Ares]

Confirmed that Southern Nevada Militia is indeed mobilizing.

http://api.ning.com/files/at5DaH0Gs6kzND6UU-09ge4sMlMpiSoDEajN31n9--sHL3KtL67m410G9IxZWk9EZFbg5yAju28266Q6aBUaeYIkIXp5 245d/III.jpg


AS OF THIS DATE, I AM UPGRADING THE READINESS LEVEL OF THIS UNIT TO CONDITION RED. YOU ARE TO TRAVEL WITH 72 HR KITS IN YOUR VEHICLES AT ALL TIMES AND HAVE AT LEAST 6 DAYS OF WATER AND FOOD. CHECK YOUR FIRST AID KITS AND ENSURE THAT YOU HAVE NECESSARY MEDICATIONS STOCKED FOR LONG TERM NEEDS. ALSO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATE SELF DEFENSE SUPPLIES. TRAINING WILL GO ON AS SCHEDULED THIS SATURDAY, BUT THE TRAINING MAY CHANGE. THE SITUATION IN BUNKERVILLE, NV IS FLUID AND CAN CHANGE AT A MOMENT'S NOTICE. ALL UNIT NCO'S ARE TO CONTACT ME ASAP AND NOTIFY ME OF ANY NEEDS OR OBJECTIONS THAT THEY MAY HAVE. THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TRAINED FOR, FOR ALMOST 2 YEARS. TIME TO FISH OR CUT BAIT.
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Ares Commentary: I pray for peace, but I know it within my heart and soul that it will take a war to get what is rightfully ours returned (our rights, liberties and freedom). I sit back and wonder, have the feds overplayed their hand this time? Will something actually happen this time? Have we learned from Ruby Ridge, and Waco? Do we realize that there is more at risk than just this mans property and land?

Only time will tell. If I lived in Nevada, I would be there, armed, ready, and definitely scared shitless.

[Ares]

Ranch Riot


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

[Tumbleweed]

Sherriff Richard Mack is a friend of Cliven Bundy and he makes a statement about the Clark county sherriff and what's going on there at this link.

http://guerillamedianetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Sheriff-Mack-Statement-Regarding-Bundy-Ranch.mp3

[Serpo]

Or maybe its the trigger for..........................CIVIL WAR..................

[Glass]

Is Sherriff Mack retired? I thought I heard him sign off as retired.

[Serpo]

Feds charged with killing cattle in Nevada range war

'They have separated the newborn calves from their mothers'

Published: 5 hours ago http://www.wnd.com/files/2012/07/jackmino_avatar.jpg Jack Minor (http://www.wnd.com/author/jackmino/) About | Email (jackminor@comcast.net) | Archive (http://www.wnd.com/author/jackmino/?archive=true) Jack Minor is a journalist and researcher who served in the United States Marine Corps under President Reagan. Also a former pastor, he has written hundreds of articles and been interviewed about his work on many TV and radio outlets.




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Federal officials have now taken to killing the calves and cattle of a Nevada rancher as part of a standoff that his family says has the potential to become another Ruby Ridge, where, in 1992, federal agents shot an unarmed Idaho woman holding a newborn infant in her arms.
“We have seen cows with tight bags, but no calves on them, who are being moved by the BLM,” Ammon Bundy told WND. “This means they have separated the newborn calves from their mothers and they will eventually die.”
Ammon, 38, is the son of Cliven Bundy, a Nevada rancher whose ties to the area go back to the 1880s and who has been engaged in a land dispute since 1993 with the Bureau of Land Management over long-established cattle-grazing rights.
The elder Bundy is the last rancher operating in Clark County, where he’s been grazing his cattle on a 600,000 acre portion of land managed by the BLM called Gold Butte.
However, after years of wrangling back and forth in the courts, last week BLM secured a federal court order declaring Bundy’s herd to be “trespass cattle” and began removing them.
While media outlets have reported the cattle seizures, Ammon Bundy says the impression people have is that the cattle are just being re-located, but he says authorities are going far beyond that and are taking actions resulting in the death of many of Cliven’s cattle.
“They are flying helicopters over the herd to chase them,” Ammon said. “It was over 90 degrees here today, and the cattle can’t run very far in this heat before collapsing. This is especially true for the young calves. We have a lot of them being born because it is springtime, and they don’t have the strength to keep up with their mothers when they are running. The cattle then become overheated and die.”
Since 1998 the Gold Butte area has been off-limits to cattle grazing because it has been designated home of the protected desert tortoise. Despite that, ranchers have been continuously using the land. BLM officials say they are tired of local citizens ignoring their regulations, and they feel they have exhausted all other options — enough is enough.
“For more than two decades, cattle have been grazed illegally on public lands in northeast Clark County,” BLM said in a statement. “BLM and (the National Park Service) have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. Impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is an option of last resort.”
Following the actions taken by the federal government, the Center for Biological Diversity, an environmentalist group praised the federal government for taking action.
“Despite having no legal right to do so, cattle from Bundy’s ranch have continued to graze throughout the Gold Butte area, competing with tortoises for food, hindering the ability of plants to recover from extensive wildfires, trampling rare plants, damaging ancient American Indian cultural sites and threatening the safety of recreationists, ( they must have a script writer)” Rob Mrowka, a spokesman for the organization, said in a statement.
The government appears to taking steps to escalate the situation, causing concern the incident could develop into another Ruby Ridge or Waco episode where federal agents engage in assaults with mass civilian casualties.
Bundy told The Blaze over 200 armed federal officers currently are in the area, and his wife Carol said it appears snipers now surround the family’s 150 acre ranch.
Officials would neither confirm nor deny the sniper allegation to The Blaze.
Additionally, Cliven’s son, Dave Bundy was taken into custody after allegedly being roughed up for simply taking pictures along State Road 170, which has been closed. His camera was confiscated.
“They gave my nephew Dave a concussion, stomped him on the ground to where he has kidney problems,” Kay Sessions, Dave’s aunt told WND. “They hauled him to jail and interrogated him all night before letting him go. Before they took him to jail officials left him in a hot vehicle for three hours.”
“He was trying to get pictures of what government officials are doing and they confiscated his camera and tablet.”
Ammon said while what happened to his brother Dave was bad enough, federal officials have turned up the pressure yet again when they attacked him and members of a group peacefully protesting the removal of the cattle.
“We were protesting peacefully when, suddenly, 14 units with Rangers came off the mountain — 13 of them were armed ranger vehicles with two rangers per unit,” Ammon explained. “There was about 50 of us protesting when we went over to see what was in a dump truck that was with them, because we were afraid this might have been a rendering vehicle, and we wanted to know what was in the back of the truck.”
He said the rangers got out of their vehicles and the situation escalated.
“Things got pretty ugly for awhile. They threw a 65-year-old woman on the ground, they tased me twice and they had dogs out there.”
The situation had the potential to spiral out of control rapidly. The Nevada Militia issued an alert on the Bundy Ranch’s Facebook page calling for supporters to mobilize in the area.
“Nevada Militia is mobilizing and requesting mutual aid if any Winter Soldier wishes to go, no further permission is needed — you may do as you wish. We will be monitoring the situation at this time as a group,” the alert said.
The alert concluded, “If things escalate we will mobilize as a group.”
Nevada Gov. Brian Sandoval (R) spoke out in opposition to the BLM’s establishment of so-called “First Amendment areas,” which are the only areas the federal agency will allow Americans to protest the removal.
“Most disturbing to me is the BLM’s establishment of a ‘First Amendment area’ that tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution,” Sandoval said in a statement Tuesday.
Clark County’s sheriff has called for both sides to resolve the issue peacefully, telling the Las Vegas Review-Journal, “no drop of human blood is worth spilling over any cow.”
Ammon said while local officials are rattling the saber against the federal incursion, they are not willing to actually stand up to protect residents of their state and county from federal officials.
“The local sheriff has said they are not going to get involved in what is happening, saying this is a BLM issue. This means they are leaving us completely vulnerable, because the BLM are the only side with the weapons and if they decide to use violent force there is nothing we can do.”
Cliven said he sees the issue as one of long-established rights going back to the early days of America versus a federal government determined to regulate average citizens out of business to achieve their own ends.
“I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there, and why I can raise cattle there, is because I have preemptive rights,” he said, explaining that among them is the right to forage.
“Who is the trespasser here? Who is the trespasser on this land? Is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nevada, land? Or is it Cliven Bundy who is trespassing on Clark County, Nevada, land? Who’s the trespasser?”


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[Cebu_4_2]

This means they are leaving us completely vulnerable, because the BLM are the only side with the weapons and if they decide to use violent force there is nothing we can do.”

In accordance with Arizona gun laws, the registration of firearms is not necessary. In addition, there is no requirement of permits or application for license to purchase, posses, or carry firearms. The sole exception pertains to the carrying of firearms, where a permit is needed to carry a concealed handgun.

[Glass]

In accordance with Arizona gun laws, the registration of firearms is not necessary. In addition, there is no requirement of permits or application for license to purchase, posses, or carry firearms. The sole exception pertains to the carrying of firearms, where a permit is needed to carry a concealed handgun.

Does this mean you can carry open? I think open carry is the way to go in a free society. Then everyone is on the same page. Be in no doubt that you could pull a fast one on somebody and get away with it. It seems odd that you could open carry but need a permit to hide your gun upon your person.

Not sure what that has to do with Nevada though. They are not even contiguous states.? does Nevada need to succeed to Arizona?

[Cebu_4_2]

Not sure but today should be interesting. The Militia is organizing a 'get together' in the area, have not seen any recent updates yet.

[palani]

Not sure what that has to do with Nevada though. They are not even contiguous states.? does Nevada need to succeed to Arizona?

Both Arizona and Nevada are part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo.


In the said territories, property of every kind, now belonging to Mexicans not established there, shall be inviolably respected. The present owners, the heirs of these, and all Mexicans who may hereafter acquire said property by contract, shall enjoy with respect to it guarantees equally ample as if the same belonged to citizens of the United States.

Mexican is not a nationality in that Mexico is a federation much like the U.S. The treaty speaks to a species of federal citizenship and does not address the concept of other nationalities that might exist on the land.

I just bring this up because Arizona and Nevada do spring from the same source and even from others that predate the U.S. and Mexico.

[Glass]

man I love this place. I'm watching with something, anticipation or what ever. The people seem to be rousing. It is a portend that could be momentus. Its a bit of an inkling, a ripple. An awakening. it seems to be happening all over.

Let them cry Freedom!

[monty]

Does this mean you can carry open? I think open carry is the way to go in a free society. Then everyone is on the same page. Be in no doubt that you could pull a fast one on somebody and get away with it. It seems odd that you could open carry but need a permit to hide your gun upon your person. Not sure what that has to do with Nevada though. They are not even contiguous states.? does Nevada need to succeed to Arizona?

We can open carry here in Nevada. Nevada and Aizona are contiguous separated by the Colorado River

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[Cebu_4_2]

Wow made it to faux nooz, guess it's some kind of joke. Can't find anything new on this, wonder if it's being blocked.


http://youtu.be/1irjNsTQGTQ

http://youtu.be/1irjNsTQGTQ

[Cebu_4_2]

Update Cliven Bundy Town Board meeting Yesterday 04/09/14
http://youtu.be/5EqGe29wqqI

http://youtu.be/5EqGe29wqqI

[Cebu_4_2]

Release Date: 02/19/14





Contacts:


Jessica Kershaw (DOI)
, 202-208-6416






David Quick (BLM)
, 202-912-7413









Secretary Jewell Announces Two Solar Projects Approved in California, Nevada




Projects mark the 49th and 50th utility-scale renewable energy projects approved on public lands since 2009WASHINGTON, D.C. – As part of President Obama’s Climate Action Plan (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/president27sclimateactionplan.pdf) to reduce carbon pollution, create jobs and move our economy toward clean energy sources, Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell today announced the approval of two solar energy projects located near the Nevada-California border that are expected to supply 550 megawatts of renewable energy, enough to power about 170,000 homes, and support more than 700 jobs through construction and operations.

Today’s approvals bring to 50 the number of utility-scale renewable energy proposals and associated transmission that the Interior Department has approved since 2009, including 27 solar, 11 wind, and 12 geothermal projects. Together, the projects could support more than 20,000 construction and operations jobs and, when built, generate nearly 14,000 megawatts of electricity, or enough to power 4.8 million homes. Thirteen of the projects are already in operation, including the Ivanpah Solar Electric Generating System, a 377-megawatt solar thermal plant that started commercial operations and delivering power to California’s electric grid last week.

“When President Obama first took office in 2009, there were no solar projects approved on public lands, and no process in place to move forward the hundreds of applications pending from businesses that wanted to harness renewable energy to help power our nation,” said Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell. “With today’s milestone of 50 utility-scale renewable energy projects approved on public lands since our standing start in 2009, and with a number of those already producing energy for the nation’s electric grid, our clean energy future is bright.”

The first project is the 300-megawatt Stateline Solar Farm Project, a facility that will be built in San Bernardino County, California, on approximately 1,685 acres of public land located two miles south of the California-Nevada border. Using photovoltaic panels, the facility will generate enough electricity to power approximately 90,000 homes and create an estimated 400 jobs during construction and 12 permanent jobs during operations. The facility will connect to the grid via a 2.7-mile 220-kilovolt transmission line.

The second project is the 250-megawatt Silver State South Solar Project located near Primm, Nevada on approximately 2,400 acres of public land. The facility is expected to power approximately 80,000 homes and will be located adjacent to the 50-megawatt Silver State North Project (http://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/Salazar-Flips-the-Switch-on-First-Large-Scale-Solar-Energy-Project-on-Public-Lands-to-Provide-Power-to-the-Grid.cfm), the first solar plant on public lands to deliver power to the grid. Silver State South will also use photovoltaic panels and will generate an estimated 300 jobs during construction and 15 permanent operations jobs.

Both projects are proposed by the company First Solar and have commitments from Southern California Edison to purchase the projects’ output for 20 years.

“These solar projects reflect exemplary cooperation between the Bureau of Land Management and other federal, state and local agencies, enabling a thorough environmental review and robust mitigation provisions,” said BLM Principal Deputy Director Neil Kornze. “Secretary Jewell’s commitment to a landscape-level approach represents a responsible balance between the need for renewable energy and our mandate to protect the public’s natural resources.”

First Solar has agreed to undertake significant project design changes and mitigation measures to minimize impacts to wildlife, water, historical, cultural and other resources. For example, the BLM worked on the Stateline proposal to reduce the project’s footprint by more than 20 percent to avoid and minimize project impacts. In addition, as part of ongoing efforts to protect the threatened Desert Tortoise, the BLM is expanding the nearby Ivanpah Desert Wildlife Management Area by more than 20,000 acres and requiring that the developer protect three times the area that the project will disturb.

For the Silver State South project, the project design was modified to reduce the size of the facility by 100 megawatts. Mitigation measures include soil stabilization to prevent erosion and polluted runoff. In addition, the developer must fund over $3.6 million for Desert Tortoise mitigation and $3.5 million for studies intended to guide future efforts to protect the Desert Tortoise in the project area. The company must also assess the project’s potential adverse impact if archaeological properties at the site are found to be eligible for National Register of Historic Places listing.

“As we implement the President’s Climate Action Plan to generate jobs, cut carbon pollution and move our economy toward clean energy sources, we need to do so in a way that takes the long view and avoids or minimizes conflicts with important natural and cultural resources,” added Jewell.

Additional information on the projects is available here. (http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/energy/renewable_energy/active_renewable_projects.html)





The BLM manages more than 245 million acres of public land, the most of any Federal agency. This land, known as the National System of Public Lands, is primarily located in 12 Western states, including Alaska. The BLM also administers 700 million acres of sub-surface mineral estate throughout the nation. The BLM's mission is to manage and conserve the public lands for the use and enjoyment of present and future generations under our mandate of multiple-use and sustained yield. In Fiscal Year 2013, the BLM generated $4.7 billion in receipts from public lands.



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[Cebu_4_2]

None of these stories are putting the whole thing together...

Standoff at Nevada Ranch Drags On
‘The feelings run very high’
http://s2.freebeacon.com/up/2014/04/IMG_3144-e13969986603351-540x359.jpg (http://freebeacon.com/issues/standoff-at-nevada-ranch-drags-on/)Government helicopters circle the Bundy ranch / Cliven and Carol Bundy

BY: Elizabeth Harrington (http://freebeacon.com/author/elizabeth-harrington/) Follow @LizWFB (https://twitter.com/LizWFB)
April 10, 2014 10:30 am

A Nevada state senator is worried about the possibility of violence as the standoff between rancher Cliven Bundy’s family and heavily armed federal agents continued.

As previously reported (http://freebeacon.com/issues/last-man-standing/) by the Washington Free Beacon, an estimated 200 armed officials have surrounded the Bundy ranch, providing security for contractors to remove 908 cows designated by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) as “trespass cattle.”

Carol Bundy told the Free Beacon on Wednesday afternoon that there had been “no incidents, yet.”
Nevada state Sen. Peter Goicoechea (R.) expressed concern that the federal government was exacerbating the problem.

“This morning was the first I actually heard that there were military personnel there,” said Goicoechea, who is also a public land rancher. “If, in fact, we actually have military personnel down in that area because that equates to martial law.”

Goicoechea brought up the questionable handling of a previous case by armed BLM officers in the state two months ago.

“We have always challenged that BLM Rangers have no jurisdiction or police powers in the state of Nevada,” Goicoechea said. “They typically are an unsworn officer. And we had the case where a young man was shot a couple months ago at Red Rock by two BLM Rangers.”

The BLM officers shot and killed (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/red-rock-shooting-officers-killed-man-after-he-grabbed-trooper-s-rifle) an unarmed young man in February near the Red Rock National Conservation Area, just outside of Las Vegas.

A graphic video (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/grieving-father-fatal-red-rock-police-shooting-i-won-t-accept-it) documented the encounter. BLM officers fought with the suspect, ultimately shooting him seven times when he attempted to get into a Nevada Highway Patrol vehicle and remove an AR-15 rifle from a locked compartment, according to the Las Vegas Review Journal.

“He was definitely disoriented, he was unarmed, and they were questioning him, along the state highway,” Goicoechea said. “And if you press for this they’ll tell you it’s still under investigation.”

“They shot him seven times, killed him dead,” he said. “They said, well, they thought he was trying to get—there was a highway patrolman there, and they said it looked like he was trying to get into the highway patrolman vehicle, and we were afraid he’d get the shotgun out of there. So they shot him. They killed him.”

BLM officials arrested Dave Bundy, Cliven’s son, on Sunday, for taking pictures along a blocked of area on state highway 170. Carol Bundy said the officials “bruised him up pretty good,” and held him for 24 hours.

Goicoechea said this is not the first impoundment of cattle in the state, but typically county governments have handled public safety. A former county commissioner, Goicoechea said he never allowed for any roads to be closed.

“Don’t get me wrong, [impoundments] aren’t without incident,” he said. “The feelings run very high.”
Like the Bundys, Goicoechea’s family has ranched in Nevada for more than a century.

“Those of us that have spent generations here, my granddaughters are still pounding cows down the same trails my grandfather did,” he said. “We’ve been here well over 100 years, and livestock is our living, and by hook or crook we’ve ended up in some kind of politics.”

The dispute between the Bundys and the BLM revolves around unpaid “grazing fees” and public land that has been closed off to protect the “desert tortoise.”

The BLM designated (http://www.friendsofgoldbutte.org/about/designations/)186,909 acres of the Gold Butte off limits for the “critical desert tortoise” population in 1998. Bundy had already lost his grazing permit five years earlier for refusing to pay fees for the land, which his family has ranched since the 1870s.

Since the 1800s ranchers have taken up homesteads and used land for their cattle herds. Ranchers abided by the “Three-mile Water Law,” which entitled them to grazing rights for land three miles around water the rancher owned or maintained. Disputes were settled amongst the ranchers themselves.

“There have been people shot through the last century over grazing disputes,” Goicoechea said. “There’s no doubt about it.”

Until 1934, disagreements over the land were not adjudicated. The “Taylor Grazing Act (http://www.blm.gov/wy/st/en/field_offices/Casper/range/taylor.1.html),” signed by President Franklin Roosevelt, set up districts for grazing on public land, and issued permits to ranchers for a more orderly process.

However, those permits for the majority of Clark County—including the permit for the Bundy Ranch—were transferred in 1998 to the Habitat Conservation Plan to protect the desert tortoise.

The tortoise is protected under the Endangered Species Act. However, Goicoechea says they don’t need any protecting, citing a recently passed Nevada regulation (http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Interim/77th2013/Exhibits/LC/E102213C.pdf) that imposed a one tortoise limit per person to “reduce the overbreeding and proliferation of unwanted pet desert tortoises.”

“People will get two or three of ‘em and all of a sudden they come home one night and you’ve got 15 of ‘em,” Goicoechea said. “I guess they’re diggy little boogers, they go under sidewalks and patios. So tortoises were causing damage in their neighbors’ yards.”

“We’re talking about an endangered species that in fact went out there and removed all these people off the public lands under the intent of protecting that desert tortoise,” he said.
“They have adapted, and they’re doing very well.”

The Fish and Wildlife Service lists (http://ecos.fws.gov/speciesProfile/profile/speciesProfile.action?spcode=C04L) the species as “threatened.”
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[Ares]

Breaking: BLM to enter Bundy Ranch Proper!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgIYNGzSDg

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPgIYNGzSDg

[Shami-Amourae]

I don't even want to watch this story. I just know the Feds will win and the American people will lose in the end. Americans always lose and the Feds always win. It's so disgusting. Everything feels hopeless.

[Serpo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI#t=20https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI#t=20

[Ares]

BREAKING: Ryan Bundy Calls From Cliven Ranch with Urgent Message: No Backing Down (4/10/14)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS8XItlAOr4

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS8XItlAOr4

[midnight rambler]

I just don't see the beast doing anything other than totally crushing anyone or anything it its way. However I'd love to be wrong.

[Ponce]

As many people as there can be should just go into the ranch, by what ever means, to support this guy.....another open killing and there WILL BE A REVOLUTION.

V

[Ares]

BLM fracking racket exposed! Armed siege and cattle theft from Bundy ranch really about fracking leases

(NaturalNews) The Bureau of Land Management says its 200-man armed siege of the Cliven Bundy ranch in Nevada is all about protecting an "endangered tortoise." But a Natural News investigation has found that BLM is actually in the business of raking in millions of dollars by leasing Nevada lands to energy companies that engage in fracking operations.

This document from the Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology(1) shows significant exploratory drilling being conducted in precisely the same area where the Bundy family has been running cattle since the 1870's. The "Gold Butte" area is indicated on the lower right corner of the document (see below), and it clearly shows numerous exploratory drilling operations have been conducted there.

What's also clear is that oil has been found in nearby areas and possibly even within the Gold Butte area itself.

It is, of course, customary for the U.S. government to bring armed soldiers to an oil dispute. (Operation "Iraqi Freedom" for starters...) Heavily armed snipers, helicopters and militarized soldiers have never been invoked over tortoises. (Anyone who thinks this siege is about reptiles is kidding themselves.)

Here's the map showing the oil exploration conducted on the land where Bundy runs his cattle (all the red crosshairs are oil and gas exploration drilling operations):

http://www.naturalnews.com/images/Bundy-Nevada-Bureau-of-Mines-Petroleum-589.jpg

BLM collects $1.27 million in shale fracking leases
The Bureau of Land Management has just cashed in with $1.27 million in oil and gas leases in Nevada. This was just reported two weeks ago in ShaleReporter.com, which states:

U.S. Bureau of Land Management geologist Lorenzo Trimble tells the Las Vegas Review-Journal the Elko County oil and gas leases sold Tuesday for $1.27 million to six different companies. The auction took place in Reno. The leases are near where Houston-based Noble Energy Inc. wants to drill for oil and natural gas on 40,000 acres of public and private land near the town of Wells. The Review-Journal reports the project would be the first in Nevada to use hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, to extract oil and gas from shale deposits.

The way this works, of course, is that BLM runs land theft operations by claiming they are "managing" the land and thereby kicking everyone else off it. They then invoke a reptile, an owl, a bird, a snake or some other animal which they claim to be "saving," even while they are stealing and destroying hundreds of cattle belonging to a private rancher trying to make an honest living in a nation where productive Americans are increasingly branded "enemies of the state."

Once control of the land is established via court order or by bringing armed men with automatic weapons, BLM then turns around and leases the land to fracking companies who proceed to exploit the land using hydraulic fracturing techniques that inject toxic chemicals into groundwater supplies (and have been linked to earthquakes). The money collected by the BLM is then used to increase BLM salaries and bonuses.

In essence, the BLM is a criminal mafia racket, and Cliven Bundy just happened to be in the way of their next target, the Gold Butte area of Nevada. That is why they brought hundreds of heavily armed men to a "save the tortoise" operation.

"Endangered tortoises" is merely the government cover story for confiscating land to turn it over to fracking companies for millions of dollars in energy leases. In truth, the BLM was rapidly euthanizing these very same reptiles en masse last year. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/25/desert-tortoise_n_3813133.html)

As part of its police state intimidation to control the land, BLM unleashed attack dogs on a pregnant woman.

See the brutality invoked by the BLM against peaceful protesters in this video of a near-riot just outside the Bundy ranch:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=LhJ6H9vlEDA

Does anyone really believe this is still about a tortoise?

More details from a man on location:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pMqGlZEUDus
link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pMqGlZEUDus

http://www.naturalnews.com/044670_blm_lies_fracking_leases_bundy_ranch.html#i xzz2yWmkCxn7

[Serpo]

fracken frackers................

[Ares]

fracken frackers................

Makes perfect sense now. I knew the BLM cover story of preserving a tortoise was bullshit. They could care less since they euthanized a bunch of them last year.

At first I thought it was about the land, nope it's about the money they can make from selling off the land to leasing rights....But first got to get rid of those pesky ranchers....

[midnight rambler]

One view of the 90 acres in New London Connecticut which SCOTUS awarded to a private developer under 'eminent domain' which was wiped clean of the homes of dozens of families and is now an eyesore (it was for the greater good) -

http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/kelo.jpg

[Serpo]

This is WAR, ****** it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


these little stars replaced my word god and dam automatically....

[palani]

I wouldn't think fracking and cattle ranching are mutually exclusive activities.

[Shami-Amourae]

.....another open killing and there WILL BE A REVOLUTION.

V
No there won't. No one will really care.

[Serpo]

One view of the 90 acres in New London Connecticut which SCOTUS awarded to a private developer under 'eminent domain' which was wiped clean of the homes of dozens of families and is now an eyesore (it was for the greater good) -

http://therealrevo.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/kelo.jpg


maybe the grass hopper protection act..................

[Serpo]

No there won't. No one will really care.


fluoride took care of that...........

[Shami-Amourae]

fluoride took care of that...........

And "education".

[monty]

Fracking may play a small part in this, but the real reason is Agenda 21 http://www.harryreid.com/index.php/news/article/review_journal_reid_introduces_bill_to_create_gold _butte_national_conservat/ Review Journal: Reid introduces bill to create Gold Butte National Conservation Area 1 tweets An effort was launched in Congress on Thursday to designate 350,000 acres of government-protected conservation land and wilderness northeast of Las Vegas. Sen. Harry Reid, D-Nev., proposed to create a National Conservation Area at Gold Butte, a region of rugged mountains, sandstone ridges, native American petroglyphs and abandoned mine sites in Clark County between the Overton arm of Lake Mead and Nevada’s border with Arizona. “Gold Butte is Nevada’s piece of the Grand Canyon,” Reid said in a statement that accompanied the legislation he introduced. “As more and more people discover this remarkable place, we must protect these resources for future generations while continuing to allow recreational opportunities we enjoy today.”

Read the full article >>http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/reid-introduces-bill-create-gold-butte-national-conservation-area

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[mick silver]

this goverment keeps hitting new lows

[Serpo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfOVg5R4ngA

[Tumbleweed]

Range Magazine has been a pretty good source of information on what the Feds have been up to over the years. Anyone wanting to get up to speed on the Feds war on the people in the west can find some pretty good articles at this link. http://www.rangemagazine.com/specialreports/index.htm

[Ares]

UPDATE: Up to 5,000 Armed Militia Members Will Be Arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada Today

Update: Word on the street from sources close to the militia movement is that up to 5,000 armed militia members will be arriving in Bunkerville, Nevada sometime today. (See full report below)

SHTFplan.com Editor’s Note: It is apparent that the Federal government was under the impression that they could simply move into the ranch land surrounding Bunkerville, NV and have their way with the property and livelihood of the Bundy family. What they didn’t count on was the outcry from Americans across the country. And now things may be headed to the next level. As Kim Paxton of The Daily Sheeple notes, citizen militias in several states have been called up. Many members of those organizations are taking up arms and are making their way to Nevada.

And it’s not just the citizen militias that are preparing to take action. The governor of Nevada has officially condemned the federal government’s actions, though he has yet to take any steps afforded to him under State law. Sheriff Richard Mack of Gilbert, Arizona has weighed in and calls the actions “terrorism.”

At last count there were some 200 federal agents from various agencies on the ground in Nevada and it appears that hundreds, perhaps thousands, of armed militia members will soon arrive to confront them.

The Federal government will no doubt step up their efforts, as they are facing the possibility of a widespread rebellion resulting from their actions against a private citizen whose only “crime” was to graze his cattle on the land his family has used for this purpose for over a century. It would not be at all surprising to see the President of the United States call up National Guard troops and more militarized law enforcement officials for fear of having this spiral out of control. A declaration of martial law to go along with already established First Amendment Areas is not out of the question.

We may well be on the cusp of a serious stand-off involving thousands of people. Keep in mind that most of them will be armed.

Given the circumstances, things could turn very bloody very quickly.

http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/American-Standoff-2014.jpg

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/video-militias-are-on-route-is-the-2nd-american-revolution-starting-in-bunkerville-nevada_04102014

[PatColo]

jim stone: http://jimstonefreelance.com/


Bundy Ranch is REAL UPDATE: The Nevada Militia has shown up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_165489855&feature=iv&src_vid=wWhFm80Phqk&v=tfOVg5R4ngA) at the Bundy ranch to kick the BLM out. The governor of Nevada celebrated the arrival of the militia and spoke in support of the Bundys, issuing the statement "No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans".

As I suspected, the Bundy's ranch is on land that the Fed wants to mine for minerals and they need the water that is reserved for the cattle to conduct mining operations. The land has been assesed to have high grade deposits of minerals that are good for military applications and the Fed wants the Bundys out of the way. Adding to the problem is that much of the land is prime real estate, and the Fed wants it to sell it off. EVEN MORE DAMNING is that the best and most prime real estate is actually owned by the Bundy's which means the BLM is trespassing on much of it anyway. It is neither state nor federal land. There have been numerous attempts to kick the Bundy's off their property so a tycoon can come in and put a residential development in. So as is the norm, a turtle or fly or slug or whatever has been used as an excuse for an eviction, when multibillion dollar corporations wanting the land for mining operations and real estate tycoons wanting the most prime areas are the real reason, and the muscle of the government most likely bought by campain contributions is being used to get the Bundy's off the land after the Bundy's refused really good offers for it from potential buyers.



The BLM is getting so anxious to get the cows off the land that they are running many of them to death, and that is why the backhoes are there to bury them. The BLM has hired blackwater mercenaries to snipe anyone who "does not belong" there.



Bundy Ranch comments: "Feds say it will cost 3 million dollars to round up the cattle and dispose of them" My response:



I have the solution to the problem. Hire a bunch of cattle rustlers to go in there and steal all the cattle. They will GLADLY do it for FREE. Then just give the Bundy's the "three million" for their grief.



"Feds say this is being done to save the desert tortoise" My response: I don't think cows eat turtles. If the cows were devastating competition for them, they would have been gone in the 1800's



About the "free speech" zone: Has tyranny gone so far that it even has to control where people shout to the desert wind? Obviously so, which is why that same tyranny thinks cows threaten turtles now. Or is it that the land those cows graze on is in fact being sold to China? Maybe Warren Buffet wants it. Who knows. But turtles rule. And they will taste good in China.



UPDATE: The cattle are not being killed and buried, they are in fact being taken by BLM supported cattle rustlers, as I said would be common sense. These rustlers have been given brand new trucks and trailers to do it, and they are selling the cattle at auction FOR PROFIT. THEY ARE SELLING THEM AT AUCTION, THE SAME WAY THE BUNDY FAMILY WOULD HAVE TO MAKE A LIVING. So HOW DO YOU GET A $3 MILLION LOSS OUT OF STEALING A FORTUNE IN CATTLE AND SELLING IT? GOOD QUESTION, THE ONLY ANSWER TO WHICH IS OBVIOUS OUT OF CONTROL CORRUPTION.


The area is 600,000 acres. That is HUGE. And if you get out of your car on any of the roads you are immediately arrested and taken to federal prison, for committing a federal crime. Infrared sensors are in place all throughout the desert now, and there are numerous private corporate "blackwater" snipers on the hills. No one has been shot yet, but the state is certainly set for that.


Rising up peacefully is NOT the answer. You cannot peacefully remove any tyranny, tyranny laughs at people who think "peace" can bring about change in a system enforced by state sponsored violence. They brought the guns to the party FIRST.


-Original post- After looking over some of the videos and seeing what is going on out in Nevada, I firmly believe this is no hoax.


Citing illegal land usage, the BLM moved in on a ranch which has been in place since the wild west days, and had paid cattle rustlers go in and steal the cattle. Some of the cattle were also killed and buried with backhoes. The only difference between this and Waco is that at Waco people were actually targeted and killed, and with the Bundy ranch, a family legacy was destroyed. Both were grave rights violations.


I believe that what happened with the Bundy ranch was the result of continuous encroaching regulations and arrogance of the government, and that the Bundy family actually still had a truthful right to continue using the land under the law. Most likely the BLM was given unlawful orders to destroy the ranch and it's cattle and they followed through on them. I am still looking into this story and will post updates. I have been to many protests, and know the CIA ones from the real ones. (http://jimstonefreelance.com/psyop.html) The video Farganne posted was of a real one, I have no idea why he doubts it.



This is a mirror image of the destruction of the hog farmers in Michigan, (http://www.libertariannews.org/2012/04/16/michigan-unleashes-armed-raids-on-small-pig-farmers-forces-farmer-to-shoot-all-his-pigs/) where a totally out of control government rolls around in arrogance like the pigs they killed will roll in _____

[monty]

THis is page one of an 8 page report from Range Magazine. Maybe it deserves its own thread but I am putting it in here because of the relevance to the current situation.

http://www.rangemagazine.com/features/winter-14/range-wi14-sr-agenda_21-stealth.pdf
Special Report Part I

AGENDA 21: SWALLOWING AMERICA

If you remember, “We have to pass the bill [Obamacare] in order to know what’s in it,” you will know that America’s weak leaders are using federal bribes to do the same thing with the United Nations’ Agenda 21.

Since the ’90s, the United Nations’ Agenda 21 has been implemented nationwide at the federal, state and local levels, with very few people even being aware of it. It is dangerous because it destroys the most important civil liberty we have— private property rights.
Most Americans have read or heard of one or more federally funded programs pro- moting “sustainability.” Few citizens, howev- er, know these programs are based on a major U.N. program called Agenda 21, which is buried in smoke and disinforma- tion generated by the government and its partners in the media. This U.N. program is very dangerous to our personal liberties and the stealth with which Agenda 21 has been implemented should concern everyone.
The Miracle of a Great Nation
Wealth creation and liberty are impossible without legally protected private property rights—which are the cornerstone of all other liberties. This is why Agenda 21 takes direct aim at eliminating them. This critically important principle is no longer being taught in public schools, but was well-known to our Founders. James Madison wrote: “Government is instituted to protect property of every sort; as well as that which lies in the various rights of individuals...this being the end of government, that alone is a just govern- ment, which impartially secures, to every man, whatever is his own.”
This may sound crazy if you are less than 50 years old and educated in the public school system. For more than 60 years, the education change artists have successfully removed any hint of this all-important prin- ciple. Yet it was widely known and under- stood by all colonists as the primary principle of “whoever owns the property owns the people depending on it to live.” Wayne Hage, a Nevada rancher who success- fully fought a major property rights case in the U.S. Court of Claims during the 1990s 2000s, made the concept even simpler:

For the complete report and part II: http://www.rangemagazine.com/features/winter-14/range-wi14-sr-agenda_21-stealth.pdf
By Michael S. Coffman, Ph.D.

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[Tumbleweed]

There is said to be an ocean of water underneath eastern Nevada if you go deep enough and Las Vegas needs water. The Bundys ranch is sitting on top of a lot of it. There is a good article with a map and the effort to get control of it in the archives of Range Magazine. The desert tortoise is also discussed in the article and how they come into play and are used on this issue. The article is at this link http://www.rangemagazine.com/specialreports/05-fall-move-an-ocean.pdf

[Cebu_4_2]

I used to own stock in that water, it never went anywhere so I sold it and broke even... PICO ticker

http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/pico/interactive-chart

[Ares]

"Them Son of a Bitches will fire the next shot heard around the world. And WE will fire the rest".


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v0_SXrs4SkQ

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=v0_SXrs4SkQ

[midnight rambler]

Here's some hardcore irony for ya: we just have to protect that little helpless desert tortoise but fuck all those marine mammals we're killing with our sonar testing.

http://www.salon.com/2013/12/16/u_s_navy_to_expand_its_whale_and_dolphin_killing_t raining_exercises/

[PatColo]

Cliven speaks next, I needed headphones, laptop sound just doesn't deliver sometimes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkWljeiAhYI

[EE_]

The Fed goons can't afford to let the little guy win this battle...it would set a presidence to other little guys.

So, let's get this shooting war underway!...show the world what we've become.

[Tumbleweed]

Don Edwards has a pretty good song he does here that expresses the proper sentiment for the occasion. There's a lot of disgust all across this nation for the people in power but when it comes down to it looks like we're all on our own against them. The Clark county sheriff could gather up his deputies and a swat team and tell the Feds to leave but he's not going to do it. He should lose his job and his pension and so should the governor if he does nothing.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qX5Xh6s5EU

[monty]

Don Edwards has a pretty good song he does here that expresses the proper sentiment for the occasion. There's a lot of disgust all across this nation for the people in power but when it comes down to it looks like we're all on our own against them. The Clark county sheriff could gather up his deputies and a swat team and tell the Feds to leave but he's not going to do it. He should lose his job and his pension and so should the governor if he does nothing. YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qX5Xh6s5EU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qX5Xh6s5EU)




Chances are the Clark County Sheriff takes his marching orders from the same people who pull Harry Reid's strings.

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[PatColo]

DThe Clark county sheriff could gather up his deputies and a swat team and tell the Feds to leave but he's not going to do it. He should lose his job and his pension and so should the governor if he does nothing.



Clark County supporters should be making a big noisy show of gathering siggys for a recall election-- kick his arse out in disgrace, the way they did in CO for those 2 gun grabbers.

[midnight rambler]

Clark County supporters should be making a big noisy show of gathering siggys for a recall election-- kick his arse out in disgrace, the way they did in CO for those 2 gun grabbers.

In the county where Sin City aka Sodomite Central is located? You're such a dreamer.

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch Update1 Militia begin to arrive!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U228JA42_MA

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U228JA42_MA

[Ares]

Collins manages to insult, offend Utahns with comments on Bundy roundup

Clark County Commissioner Tom Collins fears the dispute at Cliven Bundy’s ranch that has drawn protesters from across state lines might turn violent.

So when Collins talked this week with a county commissioner in Utah who said others are coming so Southern Nevada to support the Bundys, he did what he usually does: He spoke his opinion without mincing words or worrying if he offended someone.

Those comments are now making the rounds on social media and have attracted criticism from people ranging from Utah ranchers to his colleagues on the County Commission.

It started when Darin Bushman, a Piute County, Utah, commissioner, called Collins about the Bureau of Land Management roundup of Bundy’s cattle in the Gold Butte area, about 80 miles east of Las Vegas. The cattle are being seized after Bundy failed to pay grazing fees over 20 years. When the conversation ended, Bushman posted on Facebook that Collins said Utahns are “inbred bastards” and if they come to Clark County to support Bundy they “better have funeral plans.”

Collins also told Bushman that they should mind their “own (expletive) business.”

“Now that’s some classy leadership for you,” Bushman wrote in his post.

On Tuesday, Clark County commissioners will discuss decorum of commissioners, which was sparked in part by concerns about Collins’ recent statements, said commission Chairman Steve Sisolak. Sisolak said Collins won’t be the sole focus of that discussion, which will examine the broader issue of decorum.

He said he’s uncertain of what the outcome might be or whether it would require anything formal such as a policy change.

Commissioner Mary Beth Scow welcomes the decorum discussion, too.

“I think commissioners can agree to disagree and make better decisions when they get a diversity of thoughts but I don’t believe it can ever be personal,” she said. “I think the phrase ‘agree to disagree’ works very well.”

In an interview, Collins downplayed Bushman’s elected office, noting his county has only about 1,500 people. Census data shows the tiny rural county has just 1,556 people.

“I’m trying to do everything I can to discourage anybody who tells me they’re coming here with loaded guns,” Collins said. “I’m going to tell them not to come.”

The issues at hand are complex and a protester who doesn’t understand rural Nevada fails to grasp the whole picture of the situation, Collins said.

In an email to the Review-Journal, he added: “This isn’t about Cliven’s cows nearly as much as it is about Public Lands access. We don’t need anyone toting guns to fix that.”

Collins said he’s been in touch with BLM officials about the issue and is closely following the situation.

“The Bundys want peace,” Collins said. “They don’t want any violence going on so all these gun-packing folks just need to go home.”

Bushman said he contacted Collins to discuss his views on jurisdictions of lands. He said the conversation for the most part was “civil and professional,” as he shared his understanding of how federal jurisdictions work.

Bushman said he told Collins he was heading to the protest and expected some people from his county to be there, as the issue has attracted the concerns of Utah ranchers.

“This guy was just off-the-hook weird,” Bushman said. “I’ve never ran into a fellow commissioner who treated me like that.”

At the Bundy ranch with protesters Monday, Bushman mentioned the exchange with someone who called Collins on a speakerphone and inquired about the conversation.

Again, Collins insulted Utahns, Bushman said, angering the Beehive State residents who were supporting the Bundys.

When asked if he had any regrets about what he told the county commissioner from Utah, Collins said: “I’ve got no regrets about what I said to that son of a bitch.”

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/water-environment/collins-manages-insult-offend-utahns-comments-bundy-roundup

[Ares]

Armed militia groups defend rancher in Nevada.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfZj6f_luSE&feature=youtu.be

link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfZj6f_luSE&feature=youtu.be

[mick silver]

One has to wonder how many of theys Armed militia that are showing up are EX Military . The goverment knows that they MEN know how to fight and i would hope they may fear them

[Cebu_4_2]

Just in time for the weekend. This is a non event.

[Libertytree]

Just in time for the weekend. This is a non event.

That's real easy to say, sitting on the sidelines far, far away.

[Cebu_4_2]

That's real easy to say, sitting on the sidelines far, far away.

BLM works weekends with a bunch of armed people waiting? I think BLM will return next week.

[Tumbleweed]

I think I read at the Oath Keepers site that Sheriff Richard Mack and others with him will be showing up monday.

[midnight rambler]

The District of Criminals gang has ALL the time and resources in the world (thanks to all those enablers out there who dutifully enable them), no need for them to get in any hurry. They'll just wait out those who lack time and resources - that's my take on it.

[Ares]

Harry Reid's Connection to Bundy Ranch Siege

By Daxton Brown
Twitter @daxtonbrown

As some may be aware, the Bundy Ranch in Nevada is having 500 plus head of free range cattle that have been fed on desert BLM land seized by the government. This is a long standing decades old dispute that pits the Bundy family, who have ranched this land since the 1870s, against a literal army of BLM SWAT forces supposedly there to protect desert tortoises.

Our purpose here is to show how this siege must all eventually be linked to Senator Harry Reid, who literally controls everything that happens in Nevada. I wrote the only biography of Harry Reid (more below) which goes into his history of shady land dealings and use of the BLM. The best leverage the Bundys have is not against the BLM, but by making corrupt Harry Reid the focus of media attention. Because this is breaking, I will be updating this page continuously as I put information together, lots more to come.

Descriptions of what is going on at Bundy Ranch can be found here
Constitutional Sheriff Mack Speaks on Bundy Ranch Standoff
Bundy Ranch Blog
BUNDY DAUGHTER SPEAKS OUT ON GOVERNMENT TERRORISM

In bullet point, tying my research on Reid in with the situation, here are some reasons why Reid is vulnerable and complicit in this issue:

Neil Kornze, former Reid aid, is now a BLM Director and is well involved in the Bundy seige. Kornze was responsible for planning the allottment of 285,000 acres to dedicated Solar farm development (a pet Reid boondoggle). These Solar development zones are Tortoise and Bird kill zones - see BrightSource. So Reid knows damn well what is going on at the Bundy Ranch and could stop the BLM Gestapo cold.
It turns out Brightsource is also a big Reid contributor. See how this works? Hundreds of thousands of acres set aside to kill Tortoises for Friends of Reid, nothing for the Bundys who have worked and preserved the land since 1870.
Harry Reid killed more Tortoises in cahoots with Brightsource solar and jailed buddy Harvey Whittemore than Bundyranch.
Reid helped good friend and bigtime lawyer/lobbyist Harvey Whittemore procure environmental waivers for the Coyote Springs golf and residential development, a short distance from the Bundy Ranch. L.A. Times did a big expose on Reid and Coyote Springs special deals for Whittemore. Reid was happy to let Brightsource propose to cover 8,300 acres of tortoise land of the 42,000-acre Coyote Springs. These included powerline changes and most importantly, a land swap with BLM for Desert Tortoise land. Whittemore claims Harry had nothing to do with the dubious Tortoise landswap, like anything in Nevada happens at Reid's displeasure.
Harvey Whittemore was convicted of giving Reid illegal campaign contributions and is due to start a two year sentence. Only the big boys who pay under the table get Reid's favors. Whittemore's lawyer is Dominic Gentile, good buddy of Reid and sometime mob lawyer. Dominic owns the Palomino strip club, what a guy.
Here's what the BLM really thinks of Desert Tortoises. Let them Burn! Not thirty miles from the Bundy Ranch. Dry Lakes

Harry Reid 'owns' 200 acres in Searchlight, all old BLM mining deeds inherited from his miner dad, all filled with desert Tortoise. His claim to that land is likely dependent on BLM favouritism. Maybe he should be evicted. In 2007 Vegas land was $700k/acre. People thought Searchlight would be bedroom community. During Real Estate boom, Reid thought his land was worth $20 million. That's why the new four lane highway into Searchlight directly benefited Reid, for land he has no more right to than the Bundys.

http://www.futurnamics.com/images/ReidSearchlightLand.jpg

http://www.futurnamics.com/images/ReidHouse.jpg

Reid's house was built by developer Jim Rhodes (they all thought they'd make a killing in Seachlight), right smack dab in Tortoise land. Coincidentally, Rhodes was also fined for illegal contributions to Reid. Rhodes later hired disgraced Erin Kenny for $16,000 a month, a Reid protege for Lieutenant Governor, who was caught taking bribes from Tittybar owner Mike Galardi of Cheetahs and did jail time. Reid's other protege, Dario Herrera, also did jail for Tittybar bribes. What a nice crew, friends of Harry.
Someone should ask how many Tortoises were killed building a four lane superhighway to Harry Reid's land in Searchlight. Reid has positioned himself to be a beneficiary of owning the land entering Searchlight as a future bedroom community. Maybe he should be asked about his Desert Tortoise land in Arizona too.
If Harry Reid truly believes in the environment and not making his family pig rich off of BLM favouritism, he should be asked to put his Searchlight 200 acres into a BLM Desert Tortoise Trust in perpetuity. He could call it the Desert Institute for Reid Tortoises (DIRT)
Fifty acres of the Reid Searchlight DIRT is co owned with acknowleged Reid best buddy Jay Brown, also conveniently a mob and tittybar lawyer. Reid also did a deal on land "he didn't own" and collected $1.1 million in cahoots with Brown (see also in above article). Who says Harry Reid doesn't know how to play land deals for a quick skim? Not like he'd ever play the BLM for his own benefit.
Reid also promoted the Desert Express High Speed Rail boondoggle from Victorville to Las Vegas (so bad it can't make it over the grade to get to LA, now Express West). This was a payoff to Reid good buddy lobbyist Sig Rogich, who amazingly turned around immediately after the Reid endorsement and ran Republicans For Reid (which is big reason Sharron Angle lost). Maybe someone should ask Reid how many Desert Tortoises that taxpayer funded railway payoff would have killed.

No one does anything in Nevada without Harry approval. That's why the Bundys needs to expand protest to the top slimeball in the land, Harry Reid, and make this a national issue. Reid could stop the Bundy Ranch Seige with just a phone call, to his BLM buddy Kornze or to Obama. But he won't because there is no bribe money in it for him. Make him a pinata.

http://www.futurnamics.com/reid_bundyranch.php

[Serpo]

BLM Action in Nevada is Unconstitutional, Here’s Why (http://www.infowars.com/blm-action-in-nevada-is-unconstitutional-heres-why/)











A direct violation of Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
April 11, 2014
http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/jmadison.jpg (http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/jmadison.jpg)James Madison: “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined.”

The establishment media is now paying attention to Cliven Bundy and his struggle with the Bureau of Land Management. Most of this coverage assumes Bundy is engaged in illegal cattle grazing on federal land.
“The U.S. government is rounding up Bundy’s cattle that it says have been grazing illegally on public lands in Clark County for more than 20 years, according to the land-management bureau and the National Park Service,” CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/) reports today.
The BLM insists “Mr. Bundy has… failed to comply with multiple court orders to remove his cattle from the federal lands and to end the illegal trespass.”
It is the BLM, not Cliven Bundy, who is in violation of the law and the Constitution, specifically Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 (http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/a1_8_17.html) of the Constitution.
The clause, known as the Enclave Clause, authorizes Congress to purchase, own and control land in a state under specific and limited conditions, namely “for the erection of forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other needful buildings,” and not, as the feds now insist, to protect an endangered tortoise.
The Founders were opposed to providing a centralized federal government with unlimited authority to purchase and, as is routinely the case today, seize state and private land.
During the federal convention debates in September, 1787, Elbridge Gerry (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/debates_905.asp), who later went on to serve as vice president under James Madison, contended federal purchase of land “might be made use of to enslave any particular State by buying up its territory, and that the strongholds proposed would be a means of awing the State into an undue obedience.”
In order to make certain the federal government did not abuse the Enclave Clause, the words “Consent of the Legislature of the State” were added.
Madison, Jefferson and the Founders were primarily interested in limited government and the diffusion of federal authority over the states for the protection of individual liberty. In 1992, the Supreme Court issued an opinion on the framers’ reasoning behind the state consent requirement (New York v. U.S):
“The Constitution does not protect the sovereignty of States for the benefit of the States or state governments as abstract political entities, or even for the benefit of the public officials governing the States. To the contrary, the Constitution divides authority between federal and state governments for the protection of individuals. State sovereignty is not just an end in itself: rather, federalism secures to citizens the liberties that derive from the diffusion of sovereign power.” (Emphasis added.)
Madison knew unlimited federal power inevitably results in unbridled tyranny. “I venture to declare it as my opinion that, were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America,” he wrote.
Despite the desire of the founders and the originating principles of the nation, conceived as a constitutional republic, the federal government has repeatedly and habitually exacted dictatorial authority in Nevada and throughout much of the West.
“The United States government owns and has broad authority to regulate federal lands in Nevada,” the BLM arrogantly insists (http://www.kcsg.com/view/full_story/24908037/article-Heated-Cattle-Debates-Spikes-The-Question--Who-Really-Owns-The-Land-?instance=eeo_report1). “In response to challenges of federal ownership of the lands in Nevada, the 9th circuit held that the federal government owned all federal lands in Nevada, and that those lands did not pass to the state upon statehood.”
This is in direct conflict with Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17 of the Constitution.
Cliven Bundy’s struggle with the BLM in Nevada is exactly the situation Madison and the founders tried to prevent. The federal government does not have the constitutional authority to own land, beyond what is stipulated in the Enclave Clause, and its seizure of land, under the obviously fallacious pretense of protecting a tortoise, is a serious violation of the Constitution.
Madison made if perfectly clear in Federalist Paper 45:
“The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined… The [federal powers] will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce… the powers reserved to the several States will extend to all the objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, improvement, and prosperity of the State.”
“It’s really about our constitutional rights and statehood,” Bundy has said. “And whether this area known as the state of Nevada is owned by the United States government or is owned by the sovereign state of Nevada.”
Mr. Bundy, despite a propaganda campaign to the contrary launched by the federal government and its subservient media, is absolutely correct – the war shaping up between the Nevada rancher and the federal government is about states’ rights and, ultimately, the rights of sovereign individuals.
This article was posted: Friday, April 11, 2014 at 10:31 am


http://www.infowars.com/blm-action-in-nevada-is-unconstitutional-heres-why/

[madfranks]

“I’m trying to do everything I can to discourage anybody who tells me they’re coming here with loaded guns,” Collins said. “I’m going to tell them not to come.”

Does that include the Feds? No? I thought not.

[Ares]

Does that include the Feds? No? I thought not.

Of course not, you can't win an argument with an idiot who thinks you should lick the boot of your attackers. Violence while not ideal in all situations is absolutely needed in some. You know, namely freedom and restoration of rights. Government only recognizes force, that is all it knows. There are many, many, many examples of them not giving a shit if you are unarmed and protesting "peacefully". They'll taser you, beat you, arrest you, and sometimes kill you. But yeah, let's keep to the "peaceful protest" thing, because it's worked so well in the past... :rolleyes:

[Tumbleweed]

Maybe if all the protesters that got roughed up the other day had been armed no one would have been tasered, tackled or had a dog go after them. The BLM guys might have acted more polite and considerate of the people gathered there to protest and question their actions.

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch Midday Update:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GcOrJDSQ_eM

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GcOrJDSQ_eM

Militias head to Nevada rancher’s standoff with feds: We’re not ‘afraid to shoot’

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy’s decades-long battle against the federal government over grazing rights has heated to the point where militia groups have joined in and taken up spots against the feds who’ve circled his land — and talk is, they’re not afraid to open fire.

A spokesman for the one of the militia groups said as much to local 8 News Now: I’m not “afraid to shoot,” he said.

Margaret Houston, Mr. Bundy’s sister and a cancer survivor, said at a town hall gathering this week that the situation “was like a war zone” and that she felt “like I was not in the United States,” The Daily Mail reported.

The Las Vegas Review-Journal described it this way: “Serious bloodshed was narrowly avoided,” in a story about how dogs were unleashed on a woman who was pregnant while the rancher’s son was hit with a taser.

On Tuesday, armed Bureau of Land Management agents stormed Mr. Bundy’s property, escalating a court dispute that’s wound for two decades over the rancher’s refusal to pay for grazing fees.

Mr. Bundy’s view is that he owns his property — that it’s been in his family’s hands for centuries — and he doesn’t have to pay for his own 900-head of cattle to graze on the 600,000 acre Gold Butte property.

The government, meanwhile, says the land belongs to it, and agents have swooped and circled, closing off roadway access to the property and flying helicopters overhead the family’s home.

Following the agent occupation, one of Mr. Bundy’s sons, Ammon Bundy, was tasered by a federal official to the point that blood seeped through his shirt, video showed. Ms. Houston, meanwhile, said she was roughed up and manhandled by authorities, telling town hall attendees that she was “hit from the back; it was like a football tackle” and that “they just took me and threw me down to the ground,” The Daily Mail reported.

BLM, for its part, says the situation only turned violent when protesters who rallied to the family’s defense kicked a K-9 unit officer.

Now militia groups are on the scene, promising to help the Bundys keep up the fight.

“This is what we do, we provide armed response,” Jim Lordy, with Operation Mutual Aid, told the local broadcast station. “They have guns. We need guns to protect ourselves from the tyrannical government.”

Mr. Lordy also said “many more” militia groups are coming to the site to join in the Bundy family defense.

“They all tell me they are in the process of mobilizing as we speak,” another member told the Review-Journal.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/11/militias-head-nevada-ranchers-standoff-feds-were-n/

[midnight rambler]

Maybe if all the protesters that got roughed up the other day had been armed no one would have been tasered, tackled or had a dog go after them. The BLM guys might have acted more polite and considerate of the people gathered there to protest and question their actions.

Nevada is an open carry state.

[Ares]

Cell communication has been cut at Bundy Ranch.

Cell towers have been shut down around #BundyRanch Call going out for ham operators

http://inagist.com/all/454688319301890048/

[midnight rambler]

Cell communication has been cut at Bundy Ranch.

Cell towers have been shut down around #BundyRanch Call going out for ham operators

http://inagist.com/all/454688319301890048/

Well there ya go, clear evidence of a Fascist state when corporations work so closely with an out of control 'government'*. Gotta protect those 'endangered desert tortoises' (wink, wink) but fuck all the marine mammals being systemically killed by the Pentagram.

*I use the term 'government' very loosely, 'cause it's corporate government for corporations and the Republic is the house no one lives in

[Cebu_4_2]

They can kill the towers, not many people need them in that area. This kills video feeds which I noticed about 8 hours ago when searching for latest videos (last hour).

[Ares]

Someone at GLP has access to BLM frequency list: Spread it far.


Frequency License Type Tone Alpha Tag Description Mode Tag
166.30000 RM 107.2 PL LM Wilson Wilson FMN Federal
166.30000 RM 114.8 PL LM GrandWash Grand Wash FMN Federal
166.30000 RM 123.0 PL LM Perkins Perkins Admin FMN Federal
166.30000 RM 131.8 PL LM Virgin Virgin FMN Federal
167.12500 RM 123.0 PL LM Perk Law Perkins Law FMN Federal

Also, look for "Enforcement" operations in the 406-420Mhz government allocation, most typically in pairs around 409Mhz/414Mhz. These may be trunked (P25) and/or encrypted. They will be local operations frequencies, and should be easy to pinpoint with readily available RDF tech.

In addition, they may use iTACS frequencies in the new 700Mhz allocation, for which the spec's are pretty tightly guarded, and INTEROP frequencies in the 809-820Mhz spectrum.

Additionally, there are NV state HF nets on
3975 kHz LSB
7.204 MHz LSB (alt 3.987 MHz)
28.435 MHz USB

And VHF/UHF activities will be on the following:

Western Reflector 9258
NV-GATE 152566
147.000 (+) PL 123 (Las Vegas, Henderson, Logandale, Mesquite)
447.000 (-) PL 100 (Las Vegas)
146.460 Simplex PL 100 (Pahrump)
444.950 (+) PL 100 (Elko)
147.300 (+) PL 123 (Reno)
444.825 (-) PL 123 (Reno)
444.9750 (+) PL 146.2 (Sparks)

146.64 PL 100 (Winnemucca)
146.91 PL 100 (Battle Mountain)
146.85 PL 100 (Battle Mountain to Carlin)
147.21 PL 100 (Elko)
147.30 PL 100 (Elko north to Wildhorse)
147.96 PL 100 (Wells to Jackpot)
147.27 PL 100 (Wells to Twin Falls Idaho)
147.29 PL 100 (Wells east)
53.25 PL 100 (Elko to Eureka)

[Ares]

BREAKING — Reports police confiscating weapons illegally, when pulled over near Bundy Ranch

http://earththreats.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/psp.png?w=750

http://earththreats.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/breaking-reports-police-confiscating-weapons-illegally-when-pulled-over-near-bundy-ranch/

[Ares]

BLOCKBUSTER: Straight from a rancher's mouth

Immediate family friend of the Bundy's tells it all in a mail sent to Jimstonefreelance.com
This is the jackpot of details you have never seen anywhere else, and if you did, they originated here, spread it around, ARCHIVE AND POST! (please link back to here when posting elsewhere)

A Rancher TELLS ALL:

B Hunt wrote:

I live in SW Utah. I grew up on a ranch less than 100 miles from the Bundy's ranch. My father knows Cliven Bundy. I know Cliven's son Ryan. This is not a hoax, it is an action of force by the BLM.

The BLM was going to sell the cattle at one of the smallest cattle markets in Utah. No cattle markets in Nevada would take the cattle without a properly signed brand inspection (which the BLM cannot obtain without Cliven Bundy's signature). The BLM paid the owner of the Utah cattle market $300,000 to do the sale ('R' Livestock Connection in Monroe, Utah, owned by one Scott G. Robbins, according to the Utah Business Entity Search). Utah Governor Herbert stepped in and forbid them from bringing the cattle into Utah without the legally required health and brand inspections (which again, require Bundy's signature) and that no feral cattle are allowed to be imported at all (per Utah statute). Because Bundy claims ownership over maybe 350-500 head of branded cattle, the other 500-700 estimated head of cattle would all be considered feral. BLM officially backed off, but we suspect they are still secretly shipping them through Utah without any permission to do so, to "private" buyers in Colorado. The contract cowboys that the BLM hired to do the roundup are from Sampson Livestock in Meadow, Utah (traitors one and all).

From what I understand, Cliven Bundy owns both the Water Rights and Grazing Rights to all of the land where his cattle run. If Bundy failed to use them, the Grazing Rights would revert to the BLM and would be retired, while the Water Rights would revert to the State of Nevada, likely to be sold to the highest bidder (which would probably be a bidding war between mineral companies that are behind this action with the BLM and the City of Las Vegas which is thirsty for water and has had multiple attempts to buy water--through eminent domain from Utah farmers and ranchers--from Utah, which were all blocked by the Utah Legislature and Utah Governor Herbert). Chances are, the BLM has already filed a claim on the water rights so that they can sell to the highest bidder (instead of the state) and are trying to get the cattle off to show that Bundy cannot use the water beneficially (much like what the US Forest Service and BLM both tried to do to Wayne Hage).

Now, for Cliven Bundy, he's not fighting this for his cattle or his own livelihood. He recognizes that he will probably die before this fight is over. He has said multiple times that he is fighting this to wake people up about the tyranny of the Federal Government and also to help wake up the western states about getting the rights to their own land back from the federal government, which has repeatedly shut down ranchers and closed off land. (MO = 1st, get all the ranchers, farmers, Native Americans, and foresters that use the land for positive, sustainable production off of the land; 2nd, grab up all the resources; 3rd, close off the lands to public access including camping, hiking, horseback riding, hunting, fishing, boating, shooting, etc; 4th, sell off the resources to the highest bidder regardless of what that will do to the land, the local environment, or the economy; 5th, collect royalties on the resources in perpetuity; 6th, reduce and eliminate all SLS and PILT payments to the states, impoverishing them beyond belief.)

Anyway, thanks for posting about this. It is important for us to be able to raise the appropriate resistance.

My Response:
Thank you for sending your valuable insight. This contained the details we were all missing.

From this we can now firmly conclude:

1. The BLM's actions are not only flatly illegal, they are unlawful, and not only unlawful, they are so unlawful that it took bribing someone with a $300,000 payoff to get them to accept stolen cattle from a Government agency. I do not think that could be topped ANYWHERE else in the world, other than with something like a Mexican drug cartel.

So we have a clear cut case of unlawful and prosecutable actions by the BLM in this case.

2. The real goal is to shut down public access to these lands. Obviously Cliven Bundy was not a jerk, and he let people go back there to explore. I myself have done a LOT of back country exploring, and noticed in the early 2000's that they closed down all the back roads about a half mile before the destination they used to go to to discourage people from exploring the wilderness. Rather than drive the whole way, you had to get out and walk a considerable distance to scenes such as Swazy's leap, Paul Bunyans Wood Pile, and practically anywhere else you would want to go while out 4 Wheeling. And in the desert sun, that long of a walk was usually tough to do. This resulted in these types of locations no longer being visited, which effectively equaled a shut down.

3. The motives are for profit. Rather than manage the lands responsibly, the BLM is stealing it from it's rightful holders via corrupt actions and legal loop holes, and selling it off to corporate interests. This is cold hard proof that America is not a democracy, or more importantly a Republic, it is in fact a facist dictatorship where corruption rules and rights, freedom and honor are irrelevant.

The BLM killed hundreds of desert tortoises on purpose
They say they had to kill them (http://www.kingsnake.com/blog/archives/1561-BLM-to-kill-hundreds-of-desert-tortoises-as-its-conservation-center-runs-out-of-money.html) because they did not have the funds to care for them. Here are two really good solutions to that "problem." 1. Just take them out in the desert and turn them loose. -OR- 2. They could have taken the three million dollars they said the Bundy raid will cost them, CALLED OFF THE RAID, and SAVED THE TURTLES with that three million. If they had three million to destroy Bundy, they had it for the turtles as well but did not use it for that because tyranny comes first.

Steeped in arrogance and incompetence, once again a Federal agency fails to see the obvious. Or perhaps they do see it but they could care less about nature and instead operate as the enforcement arm of a band of high ranking thugs.

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/fromaranchersmouth.html

[mick silver]

time is nearing . harry reid needs to be recalled

[Ares]

OATHKEEPER SAYS: AT BUNDY'S RANCH FEDS ARE RUSSIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOQ3zjJJ4YQ

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOQ3zjJJ4YQ

[madfranks]

http://earththreats.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/psp.png?w=750



"I am on your side, but I am just doing my job." Fuck that guy, he is not on their side, actions speak louder than words asshole.

[midnight rambler]

Phone # of cattle rustler/traitor Shayne Sampson - 435-201-4805 in case you like talking to varmints.

[midnight rambler]

Phone # of cattle rustler/traitor Shayne Sampson - 435-201-4805 in case you like talking to varmints.

It appears ol' Shayne turned his phone off since it's now going straight to VM. Maybe you like leaving friendly reminder VMs for snakes. It sure would be a drag if ol' Shayne's VM box filled up repeatedly SO DON'T DO IT! lol

[Cebu_4_2]

"I am on your side, but I am just doing my job." Fuck that guy, he is not on their side, actions speak louder than words asshole.

Perhaps it's illegal to transport firearms across state lines?

[Cebu_4_2]

OATHKEEPER SAYS: AT BUNDY'S RANCH FEDS ARE RUSSIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Quick call to Putan! If they are infact Russian they are Russian defectors or this is being played against us.

Who the fuck knows, is this in joozmedia? I don't have teevee.

[midnight rambler]

Feds refuse to say if they've euthanized Bundy's cattle -

http://freebeacon.com/issues/blm-wont-say-if-theyve-euthanized-cows-in-ranch-standoff/

[midnight rambler]

The Rustlers are:
Cattoor Livestock Roundup Inc
475 S 200 W
Nephi, UT 84648 -
Phone: (435) 623-2415
email: clr@wildhorseroundups.com
Includes both Cameron Warner and Shayne Sampson (These names provided by Ryan Bundy)

[midnight rambler]

The Rustlers are:
Cattoor Livestock Roundup Inc
475 S 200 W
Nephi, UT 84648 -
Phone: (435) 623-2415
email: clr@wildhorseroundups.com
Includes both Cameron Warner and Shayne Sampson (These names provided by Ryan Bundy)

It appears the cattle rustlers had their business phone # shown above disconnected, however I found the following on whitepages.com:

Dave and Sue Cattoor, Nephi, Utah - 435-623-7012 (tel:4356237012)

Apparently above # has been re-directed/changed to the # below -

Troy and Sandy Cattoor, Nephi, Utah - 435-628-4912 (tel:4356284912)

[Cebu_4_2]

LOL these guys are fukt.

Things getting heavy now. I have not found anything new in regards to videos on joogle last hour. Wonder how far they have to travel to upload now?

[Horn]

OATHKEEPER SAYS: AT BUNDY'S RANCH FEDS ARE RUSSIAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Right Sector strikes again...

[General of Darkness]

Anyone listening to the conference call right now.

[milehi]

I'm following here.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=917128&page=21

[Cebu_4_2]

I'm following here.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=917128&page=21

Fuk that, I can't register due to invalid birthday which I can't access to reset.

[Ares]

Airspace above Bundy Ranch is closed


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyjZG6I2Wbg

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyjZG6I2Wbg

[Cebu_4_2]

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_4_1687.html

[Tumbleweed]

I don't trust Alex Jones but he is bringing out something that is pretty damned interesting. Harry Reid has had a deal in the works to build a solar farm with the Chinese communists for two years and it's planned for the Bundy ranch. They needed to get the Bundys out of the way by 2014 to move ahead with their plans.

Thought I'd add to this that documents have been found exposing what the BLM, Harry Reid and the Chinese are working on together. The Bundys cattle will damage the solar panels if they are left out there grazing so they need to be removed.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWok0IGI2Jo#t=692

[monty]

I don't trust Alex Jones but he is bringing out something that is pretty damned interesting. Harry Reid has had a deal in the works to build a solar farm with the Chinese communists for two years and it's planned for the Bundy ranch. They needed to get the Bundys out of the way by 2014 to move ahead with their plans. YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWok0IGI2Jo#t=692 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWok0IGI2Jo)


That is not in the least bit surprizing and fits right in with Harry Reid's past land deals. I often wonder how that man sleep a at night. Obviously he is not concerened about the future that he is preparing for his own grand children.

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[Tumbleweed]

I thought i'd post another video of AJ and his cohost talking about the BLM, Harry Reid and the Chinese because he's calmed down in this one and easier to watch. they get to the point on the information being exposed without so much of AJ going nuts.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nX1PDFc9Ug

[Tumbleweed]

Another good video here of one of the 53 ranchers that were forced out of business by the BLM in the area.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z6u8Tt5lV8

[monty]

Harry Reid's connection to BLM Director Niel Kornze should be be front page news along with the Chinese Solar deal.

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkImbHI28U

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tVq7ymI_4s

[Shami-Amourae]

For "some reason" Pete Santilli has a Live Stream up:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thepetesantillishow

Nice when you work for the Feds...

[Serpo]

Feds Back Down From Bundy Siege After Infowars Exposé of Chinese Land Grab (http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-from-bundy-siege-after-infowars-expose-of-chinese-land-grab/)



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Huge victory for property rights as establishment handed crushing defeat
Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones
Infowars.com
April 12, 2014
The federal government backed down and ended their siege against Nevada cattle rancher Cliven Bundy less than 24 hours after an Infowars exposé connecting the land grab to Harry Reid and a Chinese-backed solar farm went viral, becoming the biggest news story on the Internet.

Last night, we revealed how (http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/) the feds were using the Bureau of Land Management to bully and intimidate ranchers like Bundy, pushing them off public land in order to pave the way for lucrative “green energy” projects backed by the Communist Chinese government and linked to Nevada Senator Harry Reid.
The story went viral, taking the number one spot on the Viral News Chart (http://static.infowars.com/bindnfocom/2014/04/041214vnc.jpg) website and becoming the most trafficked story on the web thanks to syndication by news powerhouse the Drudge Report (http://drudgereport.com/).
This morning, the Sheriff of Clark County, Nevada, Douglas Gillespie, announced to thousands of Bundy supporters gathered in Bunkerville that a deal had been brokered with Cliven Bundy that would see the BLM cease its roundup of the rancher’s cattle.
A press release has already been put forth that the BLM is going to cease this operation,” stated Gillespie, to a huge roar from the crowd of Bundy supporters.
Further reports (http://www.8newsnow.com/story/25230368/major-development-in-bunkerville-cattle-battle-between-cliven-bundy-and-blm) established that, “the BLM wants to proceed with the sale of the cattle already gathered during the roundup but is reportedly willing to share the revenue from the sale with Bundy.”
This represents a huge victory in the fight against big government and the federal agenda to seize public land in the name of pursuing notoriously corrupt and wasteful “green energy” projects.
It serves to remind us of the power of media spotlight and grass roots activism in affecting real change.
The victory also illustrates the increasing irrelevance and declining influence of mainstream media. The national corporate media was forced to reluctantly carry this story only in the last couple of days, before which it had already generated a firestorm of interest solely as a result of grass roots media like Infowars.com, Drudge and other burgeoning independent news outlets.
If this operation was a test on behalf of the feds of where Americans draw their line in the sand, then the outcome spells disaster for big government, which has been handed a huge defeat in the battle to restore constitutional freedoms and property rights in the face of out of control tyranny.

http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-from-bundy-siege-after-infowars-expose-of-chinese-land-grab/

[Shami-Amourae]

They DID NOT back down. Feds are flooding into the area right now. Things are more and more tense. This is false media reporting to get people to go home or turn back if they are heading to Nevada.

[Serpo]

FEDS RETREAT FROM NEVADA RANGE WAR (http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)

[Shami-Amourae]

FEDS RETREAT FROM NEVADA RANGE WAR (http://abcnews.go.com/US/nevada-cattle-rancher-wins-range-war-federal-government/story?id=23302610)
http://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.drudgereport.com/)
Stop that!

[Cebu_4_2]

Feeds are cut again. Reports of shots fired, BLM on horses and the Sheriff isn't coming there... Getting spooky now.

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y2_-yey1Xk

[Shami-Amourae]

Santilli has another feed it seems that is working:
http://gmn.is/radioshows/

[milehi]

The line in the sand.

[Horn]

It would be interesting to see who gave the order to cut the feed.

I doubt we may ever know, or it will be a circle of 3 or 4 who only did what they were told to do.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://www.ustream.tv/AlexJonesLive

[Serpo]

Despite threats such as “one more step and you’re dead,” the protesters continued their slow march towards BLM agents as bullhorns blared.
Refusing to back down, the protesters marched straight past the armed men and towards the cattle pen.
Sheriff Gillespie eventually appeared to inform Bundy supporters that the BLM had finally caved and agreed to release the 100 cattle they had seized that were inside the pen.
After around 30 minutes, Bundy supporters saw the cattle being released about a mile away in the distance.
It cannot be overstated how much of a gargantuan victory this represents for the American people in their battle against big government tyranny.
“The people have the power when they unite,” Ammon Bundy told the Las Vegas Review Journal. (http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada/blm-release-cattle-caught-bunkerville-roundup) “The war has just begun.”
http://www.infowars.com/feds-back-down-in-new-bundy-standoff-agree-to-release-cattle/

[midnight rambler]

The line in the sand.


They're playing cowboys and communists. lol

[Cebu_4_2]

Doubt the BLM will be back real soon. They most likely send scouts and come back on Monday after everyone goes home. I wonder how the Militia is going to handle this.

[Ares]

Footage of BLM surrending


https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&v=bD61YFxUga4&feature=player_embedded

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUvsye7V9psc-APX6wV1twLg&v=bD61YFxUga4&feature=player_embedded

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch: Fed Retreat was Psyop Next Wave Soon


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k&feature=youtu.be

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k&feature=youtu.be

[midnight rambler]

This is what I've been thinking all along. This is far from resolved.
Bundy Ranch: Fed Retreat was Psyop Next Wave Soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k&feature=youtu.be Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw9GAh658_k&feature=youtu.be

[Ares]

To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public.

Date: Saturday, 12 April 2014
Time: 1840 ET
To: Steve Quayle
From Doug Hagmann

At 1750 hours ET, I was contacted by my source within the Department of Homeland Security regarding the current situation at the Bundy Ranch. To put it bluntly, the people are being hoodwinked into believing that the situation is being resolved. It is not. It is a strategic de-escalation to fool the public. This source stated that the retreat of the BLM agents and the release of the cattle was actually crafted as a potential plan yesterday (Friday, 11 April 2014) based on the following:

1. A military assessment of satellite and drone surveillance imagery of the “patriot resistance. Drones under the control of the U.S. military were in use, taking real-time photographic images of not just the activity at the ranch, but "identifying the protesters, any arms and any supplies they might have or be carrying. “Mission accomplished.”
2. Real-time communication intercepts between patriots on-site and their off-site support;
3. Active monitoring of internet traffic regarding the coverage of events at ranch;
4. The monitoring of real-time video from the scene.

This source stated that a response by the patriot movement was anticipated, although exceeded their expectations. Although this was a real operation, they also ran this as a test case for future government operations once they saw the response. They were also actively managing the media, in some cases threatening to cut off White House access to anyone covering the event.

Despite this, the coverage by the alternative media began to create a public relations problem that was not easily managed. Note the lack of acknowledgment by the White House regarding this event. They are intentionally framing it as a state issue, despite the fact that all federal response has been and continues to be from the White House. There is a reason for this – a reason that has not been identified in any of the public reports to date. I will explain in further detail in a follow-up report on Sunday, after this source attends [redacted] to obtain more specific information about future federal operations. Regardless, according to this source, the government will take back ‘their land’ as they must to fulfill international obligations. It was never about grazing rights or anything other than (1) “securing clear title” to the land, and (2) further demonizing any patriotic resistance. It is my understanding, based on the information from this source, that it is a critical task to create a situation that will also advance their agenda of gun control and confiscation.

A more detailed report will follow on Sunday, 13 April 2014, with additional and much more specific information about their inside plans and future operations.PLEASE MAKE THIS VIRAL!

http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=877

Ares:

Makes perfect sense for why they closed the airspace above the ranch, yet allow their own aircraft to do surveillance, and intelligence gathering. Also makes sense why they cut off cell towers, so they forced them(the patriots) to use backup CB radios that are usually open(unencrypted) and able to get intel in real time without having to go through the NSA data gathering of cell data.

[Tumbleweed]

Our government may well have been gathering information on the resistance to their criminal operations but patriotic americans were studying those sons of bitches too.

[Libertytree]

our government may well have been gathering information on the resistance to their criminal operations but patriotic americans were studying those sons of bitches too.

qft!

[mick silver]

like you said tumbleweed the whole country watching and learning there alot of vets there they know all to well how to fight ... watch and learn ... thanks guys an gals for keeping me updated on this i knew i could count on this forum for that
Our government may well have been gathering information on the resistance to their criminal operations but patriotic americans were studying those sons of bitches too.

[Ares]

like you said tumbleweed the whole country watching and learning there alot of vets there they know all to well how to fight ... watch and learn ... thanks guys an gals for keeping me updated on this i knew i could count on this forum for that

No problem Mick, I'll keep updating this thread with more updates as they roll in. I don't think this is the end, far from it.

[Ares]

BUNDY RANCH: Western States Rising Against Feds


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLg-Om1Agw

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLg-Om1Agw

[Cebu_4_2]

BUNDY RANCH: Western States Rising Against Feds

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwLg-Om1Agw

I subscribed but hope you post updates as I dont stay logged into this stuff.

[Ares]

I subscribed but hope you post updates as I dont stay logged into this stuff.

No worries, I'll post whatever updates I happen to come across.

[Ares]

BLM Flip Flops: “No Deal” on Dropping Actions Against Bundy

Despite standoff defeat, feds assert case will continue

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
April 14, 2014

Despite being forced to release hundreds of seized cattle after an astounding standoff on Saturday, the Bureau of Land Management has vowed to continue its pursuit of Cliven Bundy, asserting that no deal has been made to cease its case against the Nevada cattle rancher.

Amazing scenes unfolded on Saturday as Bundy supporters and cowboys on horseback faced off against armed BLM agents and police, demanding that hundreds of cattle seized by the BLM over a grazing rights dispute be released from a nearby corral.

With feds and law enforcement at one point threatening to shoot protesters dead, Bundy supporters fearlessly held their ground and then began advancing on the corral.

Around 380 cattle were eventually released and BLM agents left the scene, a remarkable victory for property rights activists against big government. However, the ‘battle of Bunkerville’ as it is now being called is unlikely to mark the end of the saga.

Despite Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie announcing on Saturday that the BLM had agreed to cease its operation against Bundy, the BLM now asserts that it played no part in the deal and will continue to pursue Bundy “administratively and judicially” for the $1 million in grazing fees it claims Bundy owes the feds.

Since Bundy has steadfastly refused to pay the fee, offering instead to pay it to Clark County, the feds will have no option other than to send armed men to arrest Bundy or restart the operation to confiscate his cattle. Such action will then prompt thousands of Americans to rally to Bundy’s defense just as they did last week, threatening another standoff.

“The door isn’t closed. We’ll figure out how to move forward with this,” BLM spokesman Craig Leff told the Associated Press, adding, “The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal and negotiate anything, there was no deal we made.”

This completely contradicts reports on Saturday which stated that, “A deal has been reached between the Bundy family and the Bureau of Land Management.”

In another twist, private investigator Doug Hagmann claims a Department of Homeland Security source told him that the federal stand down on Saturday was merely a temporary measure designed to “hoodwink” Bundy supporters into “believing that the situation is being resolved”.

Hagmann says his source told him the plan to release the cattle had been devised the day before and that Saturday’s activities were focused around a military assessment of the strength of the “resistance” shown by Bundy supporters.

Whatever the truth, the ‘battle of Bunkerville’ represents a seminal moment in the modern American liberty movement.

However, the notion that it represents the end of the federal government’s pursuit of Cliven Bundy is a naive conclusion to draw.

http://www.infowars.com/blm-flip-flops-no-deal-on-dropping-actions-against-bundy/

[Ares]

Published on Apr 13, 2014

Founder of Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes, is in Bunkerville, Nevada at the Bundy Ranch. I spoke with Stewart late Sunday afternoon and recorded the interview below.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMAEcjIBxw

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMAEcjIBxw

[monty]

BLM Flip Flops: “No Deal” on Dropping Actions Against Bundy Despite standoff defeat, feds assert case will continue Paul Joseph Watson Infowars.com April 14, 2014 Despite being forced to release hundreds of seized cattle after an astounding standoff on Saturday, the Bureau of Land Management has vowed to continue its pursuit of Cliven Bundy, asserting that no deal has been made to cease its case against the Nevada cattle rancher. Amazing scenes unfolded on Saturday as Bundy supporters and cowboys on horseback faced off against armed BLM agents and police, demanding that hundreds of cattle seized by the BLM over a grazing rights dispute be released from a nearby corral. With feds and law enforcement at one point threatening to shoot protesters dead, Bundy supporters fearlessly held their ground and then began advancing on the corral. Around 380 cattle were eventually released and BLM agents left the scene, a remarkable victory for property rights activists against big government. However, the ‘battle of Bunkerville’ as it is now being called is unlikely to mark the end of the saga. Despite Clark County Sheriff Douglas Gillespie announcing on Saturday that the BLM had agreed to cease its operation against Bundy, the BLM now asserts that it played no part in the deal and will continue to pursue Bundy “administratively and judicially” for the $1 million in grazing fees it claims Bundy owes the feds. Since Bundy has steadfastly refused to pay the fee, offering instead to pay it to Clark County, the feds will have no option other than to send armed men to arrest Bundy or restart the operation to confiscate his cattle. Such action will then prompt thousands of Americans to rally to Bundy’s defense just as they did last week, threatening another standoff. “The door isn’t closed. We’ll figure out how to move forward with this,” BLM spokesman Craig Leff told the Associated Press, adding, “The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal and negotiate anything, there was no deal we made.” This completely contradicts reports on Saturday which stated that, “A deal has been reached between the Bundy family and the Bureau of Land Management.” In another twist, private investigator Doug Hagmann claims a Department of Homeland Security source told him that the federal stand down on Saturday was merely a temporary measure designed to “hoodwink” Bundy supporters into “believing that the situation is being resolved”. Hagmann says his source told him the plan to release the cattle had been devised the day before and that Saturday’s activities were focused around a military assessment of the strength of the “resistance” shown by Bundy supporters. Whatever the truth, the ‘battle of Bunkerville’ represents a seminal moment in the modern American liberty movement. However, the notion that it represents the end of the federal government’s pursuit of Cliven Bundy is a naive conclusion to draw. http://www.infowars.com/blm-flip-flops-no-deal-on-dropping-actions-against-bundy/


They have demostrated this in their past actions. They will not stop until they have bankrupted every rancher on public land.

United States vs Gardner No. 95-17042 The 9th circuit court ruled against Gardner's arguments on PollardsLessee, also against the Equal Footing Doctrine, so this blows my previous arguments out of the water, unless of course somehow this same argument makes it into the Supreme Court and is over turned.

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[palani]

unless of course somehow this same argument makes it into the Supreme Court and is over turned.


Supreme court will not rule on issues of a constitutional nature while the (un)civil war remains unsettled. In fact any issue may be filed as an article III case in the supreme court and process will immediately stop. They cannot proceed and no other court has jurisdiction. I was told that there were several brothers in Colorado who used to stop federal process all the time this way. That file cabinet they have of case backlogs must be huge.

[Cebu_4_2]

http://gold-silver.us/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=6243&d=1397491994

[midnight rambler]

I think this incident highlights the effectiveness of (armed) cowboys on horseback. I don't think the BLM would have capitulated had everyone been on foot.

[Ares]

I think this incident highlights the effectiveness of (armed) cowboys on horseback. I don't think the BLM would have capitulated had everyone been on foot.

Or everyone had been unarmed. The protestors being armed and willing to use them was the biggest determining factor in that stand off.

Why I never saw the point of an unarmed protest. People got beaten, tased or arrested. You didn't see that happen at the ranch when people who were armed showed up.

[Cebu_4_2]

Please link the meeting at 1:00pm


Published on Apr 13, 2014

Founder of Oath Keepers, Stewart Rhodes, is in Bunkerville, Nevada at the Bundy Ranch. I spoke with Stewart late Sunday afternoon and recorded the interview below.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLMAEcjIBxw

[midnight rambler]

Or everyone had been unarmed. The protestors being armed and willing to use them was the biggest determining factor in that stand off.

Why I never saw the point of an unarmed protest. People got beaten, tased or arrested. You didn't see that happen at the ranch when people who were armed showed up.

I'm thinking you don't have much experience riding horses and therefore lack that perspective. Someone on horseback is very intimidating to someone on foot for several reasons, e.g. very quick mobility, agility, bearing down on them with a 1,200# beast, superior perspective due to height, etc. Horses are fucking awesome, the several horseback riders is what gave the group an advantage.

[EE_]

I'm thinking you don't have much experience riding horses and therefore lack that perspective. Someone on horseback is very intimidating to someone on foot for several reasons, e.g. very quick mobility, agility, bearing down on them with a 1,200# beast, superior perspective due to height, etc. Horses are fucking awesome, the several horseback riders is what gave the group an advantage.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDfnQD0ws

[midnight rambler]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDfnQD0ws

You don't really believe the nonsense in a Mel Brooks movie do you?

Try that and find out how easy it is to get one's ass kicked by a cowboy.

[Ares]

I'm thinking you don't have much experience riding horses and therefore lack that perspective. Someone on horseback is very intimidating to someone on foot for several reasons, e.g. very quick mobility, agility, bearing down on them with a 1,200# beast, superior perspective due to height, etc. Horses are fucking awesome, the several horseback riders is what gave the group an advantage.

Sure I do, My parents had 5 horses on their farm. I've ridden a horse, and know how to ride a horse. But at the same time, they (BLM) are in APC's and other much heavier vehicles. (Chevy Suburbans from what I can tell) If they saw horses coming, all they would have to do is get in the vehicle, roll down the windows and just shoot. They also have better cover while inside a vehicle while a cowboy is exposed. Bullet to the chest of a horse will drop him in a second, his 1,200lbs beast is now 1,200lbs of meat for coyotes..

[midnight rambler]

I grew up literally on the back of a horse. (not to mention spending several years hanging out with people who's job it was to deal with very tense situations) I'm thinking you don't get where I'm coming from.

[Ares]

Press Conference Update


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmw4Kaape-Q&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pmw4Kaape-Q&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

[Ares]

I grew up literally on the back of a horse. (not to mention spending several years hanging out with people who's job it was to deal with very tense situations) I'm thinking you don't get where I'm coming from.

I do and if I was without a vehicle, yeah it would be extremely intimidating. But if I was driving an APC, or a Tahoe / Suburban a cowboy on horseback wouldn't intimidate me in the least. Not to mention knowing how vulnerable horses are. Yeah you can shoot the radiator out of a vehicle and it'll keep going until it overheats and dies. Hopefully enough to get you out of the danger zone. You shoot a horse in the leg, or in the chest and the horse isn't going anywhere. I know because I've had to help moving horses that were shot, or had broken a leg. As strong and powerful of an animal that they are. They still aren't a match for high powered rifles, armor, or heavy vehicles.

No I wouldn't take on a horse if I was in a Honda Civic, but I'd have little fear in the vehicles that the BLM was on scene with.

[Ares]

Why The Feds Chickened Out On A Nevada Ranch

Let me obliterate a bit of confusion here: the Obama administration attempted to go to war with a rancher in Nevada. Let me amplify a little bit of truth: They tucked tail and have returned home. And let me add a bit of clarity: they had no choice!

As the nation began to become familiar with the plight of the family of Cliven Bundy, many of us harkened back to another standoff in which the Federal government attempted to bully it's outcome: Waco, Texas and the Branch Davidian massacre.

It is telling that in the Nevada case the feds pulled out so quickly, given all they had indicated they were willing to do to resolve the matter to their satisfaction. They had set up a perimeter around the Bundy's family land, ranch, and home. They had brought in extra artillery, dogs, and snipers. They were beginning the process of stealing more than 300 head of cattle that did not belong to them.

They did so--or so we were told--for the reason of protecting the desert tortoise. But then it was revealed that the Bureau of Land Management had shot far more desert tortoises than the Bundy cattle had even possibly destroyed. We were told they did it because the Bundys had broken federal laws by not paying what amounted to retroactive grazing fees to the federal government. But the Governor of the state of Nevada told us that Bundy had paid every ounce of state tax, met the state requirements, and their family had been improving the property more than 100 years previous.

Finally we were allowed to know the connection between a communist Chinese wind/solar power plant and its connection to that senator named Harry Reid. Evidently a plan had been hatched to use the Bundy property for a solar farm and instead of paying the Bundys, someone, somewhere in the administration believed it was easier to just take what they wanted.

That approach is at least consistent with the readily documented abuse of eminent domain where the government for any number of reasons--few of them valid--have taken to taking what doesn't belong to them. Americans then watch as it gets handed over to some multi-national corporation for the "cause" of the "greater good."

There were a few specific reasons why the feds chickened out in the Nevada desert though.

1. Technology - As the Bundy family members were abused, cameras captured it. Not television network cameras, but dozens of cell phone video devices that gave witness to a Bundy aunt being shoved to the ground, and a Bundy son being tazed. All of this while threatening protestors with dogs, brandished weapons and vehicles was captured, uploaded and made viral to the watching world.

2. States' Rights - As the drama unfolded it became clear that the Governor of Nevada, and the Sheriff of Clark County knew that Cliven Bundy's family had not only not broken any state law regarding the land, but that they had gone to the enth degree to insure compliance with Nevada laws on the property. The Governor and the Sheriff, to their credit, did not favor the feds as a more powerful party in the conflict. Though there must have been pressure from Senator Reid's office, the administration via the Bureau of Land Management, and local officials who were bought and sold like the Clark County Commissioner who told those coming to support the Bundys to have "funeral plans in place."

3. Grassroots Response - As other incidents have transpired in the past, the amount of time it took honest information to reach the grassroots and thus the response to the action came to slow. In the massacre in Waco, most of the nation had been sold a single narrative from the limited media outlets covering the events. Similarly the events surrounding the abduction of Elian Gonzales from his family in Florida and deportation to Cuba took place in such a response vacuum that by the time Americans knew the real story, the damage was done. With the Bundy ranch, internet outlets by the dozen had competing information with the limited "official news" being released by the networks, and in most cases the alternative sources had it correct and usually a full day or so ahead of the news cycle. By the time afternoon drive hit, when the network news rooms in New York were preparing their first stories, talk radio audiences had already been dialing their elected officials in Washington demanding action.

The majority of Americans saw through the efforts to spin the story in Nevada. Couple that with the leadership failures that the American people view the administration responsible for, from Benghazi to the Affordable Care Act, all it took was the unedited video of federal agents tazing Bundy's son, followed by his pulling the wires from his chest and continuing to stand his ground for there to be comparisons made to the American revolution.

It's also important to note that merely pulling back from the Bundy property hasn't settled the matter for the American people either.

The feds have stolen 352 head of cattle, and will not confirm or deny if they euthanized some or all of them. Recompense must be made. And to be candid, I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see if a few ambitious law firms don't try to convince the Bundy family of the validity of litigation.

Fortunately for the American people, the feds were not able to ultimately bully a simple rancher, not for a tortoise, a solar power plant, or a dirty Senator and his administration.

We owe the Bundy family a great deal of thanks for standing tall.

For if the federal government is allowed to do it with one, then there will be nothing stopping them from doing it again.

http://townhall.com/columnists/kevinmccullough/2014/04/13/why-the-feds-chickened-out-on-a-nevada-ranch-n1823838

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch: The Meeting in Mesquite

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ubr22LBZc&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_ubr22LBZc&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

[mick silver]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U61nDx9sU5c ... here a real good comment ...

These are the kind of people that laugh at the poor and middle class people of America, her time is coming in the not so distant future. Pay backs are a bitch.

[mick silver]

i have not see this vid yet ... John McAfee Speaks Out on BLM Tyranny at Bundy Ranch ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qB7yzrpu0I

[Cebu_4_2]

Live feed:

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/thepetesantillishow

[Ares]

i have not see this vid yet ... John McAfee Speaks Out on BLM Tyranny at Bundy Ranch ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qB7yzrpu0I

Here, I'll embed it for the thread. Thanks for posting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qB7yzrpu0I

[mick silver]

Bundy Boots the BLM – Is This a Significant Moment?http://www.thedailybell.com/images/library/boots1.jpgNevada Rancher: 'The Citizens Of America' Got My Cattle Back ... After a tense standoff with the Bureau of Land Management, the Nevada Rancher at the center of the disagreement proclaimed that "the citizens of America" got his cattle back. Rancher Cliven Bundy reached a deal with the BLM Saturday allowing the cattle that had been removed from the BLM land to be released back onto the federal lands. But Bundy is still on the hook for the fees he owes for having the animals on the land in the first place. "There is no deal here. The citizens of America and Clark County went and took their cattle. There was no negotiations. They took these cattle. They are in possession of these cattle and I expect them to come home soon," Bundy told KLAS-TV. – CBSDominant Social Theme: The revolution has begun.
Free-Market Analysis: Some in the alternative media have been celebrating the defeat of the Bureau of Land Management, which unsuccessfully attacked rancher Cliven Bundy for not paying grazing fees. This analysis attempts to ascertain the importance of the Bundy "victory."
After national coverage and the convergence of numerous US citizens on the Bundy ranch to show their support, BLM backed down. They removed the armed enforcers, their trucks and even, reportedly, gave back the cattle that were confiscated.



Alex Jones celebrated at Infowars, and Drudge posted numerous headlines on the affair. The controversy expanded when it was reported that BLM was moving on Bundy in part to open up land for an expanding Chinese solar farm.
Here's more:
The standoff Saturday brought hundreds of protesters who attempted to storm the BLM's cattle gate, but weren't successful. Some protesters were even armed with weapons. I-15 was closed in both directions at one point because protesters were blocking the freeway.
Roughly two dozen police officers and a SWAT unit were at the scene in Mesquite to help keep the peace. "We had a lot of fears. Individuals being shot, trampled. Individuals being run over on the highway. So it took a lot of resources, a lot of resources to associate with this," Assistant Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said to KLAS-TV.
The fight between Bundy and the Bureau of Land Management widened into a debate about states' rights and federal land-use policy. The dispute that ultimately triggered the roundup dates to 1993, when the bureau cited concern for the federally protected tortoise in the region. The bureau revoked Bundy's grazing rights after he stopped paying grazing fees and disregarded federal court orders to remove his animals.
... The 400 cows gathered during the roundup were short of the BLM's goal of 900 cows that it says have been trespassing on U.S. land without required grazing permits for over 20 years. Bundy, 67, doesn't recognize federal authority on land he insists belongs to Nevada.
His Mormon family has operated a ranch since the 1870s near the small town of Bunkerville and the Utah and Arizona lines. "Good morning America, good morning world, isn't it a beautiful day in Bunkerville?" Bundy told a cheering crowd after his cattle were released, according to the Las Vegas Review-Journal.
The crowd protesting Saturday recited the pledge of allegiance, and many offered prayers. Others waved placards reading, "This land is your land," and "We teach our children not to bully. How do we teach our government not to be big bullies?" according to the newspaper.
It's the latest skirmish since the 1980s when the Sagebrush Rebellion challenged federal ownership of Nevada rangeland ranchers said was rightfully theirs. A federal judge in Las Vegas first ordered Bundy to remove his trespassing cattle in 1998.
Despite the current state of affairs, BLM's decision to disengage may not be as final and decisive as it first appears. Its press release said as much. There are numerous other ranchers who interact regularly with the BLM, and if the Bundy capitulation is seen as precedent-setting then the US federal government might lose control of lands that fedgov has been acquiring for decades.
The US federal government's power is vastly enhanced by land management and the federal government is said to control up to one-third of US lands in the "lower 48." There are at least three reasons why land control is so important.
Such control ...


Increases fedgov's ability to support scarcity memes (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/654/) such as the lack of energy, commodities and even water. The petrodollar, for instance, was based in part on restricting the availability of oil to the Middle East, even though there was plenty of oil in the US, especially if drilled via fracking, a technology available since the 1920s.
Allows fedgov to more easily implement various UN agendas that include reducing the human "footprint" in large parts of the US.
Creates and furthers the precedent that nothing in the US is permanently owned by citizens. Bundy claimed he owned his land because his family had farmed it since the late 1880s. The BLM's perspective was that the land only belonged to Bundy so long as he complied with the federal revenue demands.

Every part of the US governmental apparatus is at risk if the Bundys can claim a continued victory. Any single setback of this magnitude threatens to unravel the entire laboriously constructed system of federal legislative, judicial and executive command.
The entire globalist edifice depends on ever-expanding government control of the private sector. If the power elite (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/610/) running Western governments behind the scenes cannot count on expanding and untrammeled government authority then the whole internationalist agenda is put at risk.
So while it was inspiring to see people on horseback facing down BLM enforcers, the chances that significant change will be engendered via these kinds of confrontations is certainly questionable.
One can even argue that top elites are actively hoping for the kind of chaos and civil destruction that such dramatic clashes will inevitably give rise to. One could even ask if the Bundy confrontation itself was manufactured.
We are sure that real change will come as people take individual human action to opt out of the system – psychologically as well as professionally. This, in fact, IS happening as a natural occurrence of the current information revolution. Elite memes are crumbling; dominant social themes (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/652/) such as global warming are increasingly rejected. Even the war on terror has not proven convincing.
Societies usually do not crumble via internal, physical revolution that only provides a justification for a bigger and more invasive police state (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/3444/). Societies DO collapse when people lose their belief that the sociopolitical and economic structure is beneficial to them.
What has been set into motion by the Internet Reformation (http://www.thedailybell.com/definitions/params/id/2195/) has decades to go yet. Government authorities have every reason to fight the physical confrontations manifested by the Internet – and no doubt they will. But it is the larger and likely unstoppable shift in citizen sentiment regarding basic building blocks of society that shall create real change.
This change will not happen so dramatically as recent events, and will evolve out of the dissemination of knowledge about the Way the World Really works. One need only consider the sociopolitical and economic conversation today in the West – especially in the US – versus a decade ago. The differences are startling. They will continue even if more visible evidences of resistance are defused.


- See more at: http://www.thedailybell.com/news-analysis/35207/Bundy-Boots-the-BLM--Is-This-a-Significant-Moment/#sthash.65ZJoCZe.dpuf

[mick silver]

The revolution has begun.

[old steel]

Fuck the revolution bring on the apocalypse! >:D

[Tumbleweed]

I think this incident highlights the effectiveness of (armed) cowboys on horseback. I don't think the BLM would have capitulated had everyone been on foot.

I don't think most people realize how far and how fast someone can travel in all kinds of terrain horseback day or night. The Bundys were horse back to take control of the cattle and move them out and there's no better way to do that than with well trained horses and riders experienced in handling cattle.

If all those riders were armed with handguns, the portable corrals were thrown open and had wanted to they could have been on top of the BLM guys in a couple of seconds and shot the hell out of them. If they'd have had some molotov coctails their vehicles could have been destroyed too.



Thought I'd post a movie clip of one guy in action instead of twenty or thirty


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZX56rbqZhto

[Cebu_4_2]

You know I don't think I ever watched that movie... Coming to a monitor near me soon.

[midnight rambler]

I do and if I was without a vehicle, yeah it would be extremely intimidating. But if I was driving an APC, or a Tahoe / Suburban a cowboy on horseback wouldn't intimidate me in the least. Not to mention knowing how vulnerable horses are. Yeah you can shoot the radiator out of a vehicle and it'll keep going until it overheats and dies. Hopefully enough to get you out of the danger zone. You shoot a horse in the leg, or in the chest and the horse isn't going anywhere. I know because I've had to help moving horses that were shot, or had broken a leg. As strong and powerful of an animal that they are. They still aren't a match for high powered rifles, armor, or heavy vehicles.

No I wouldn't take on a horse if I was in a Honda Civic, but I'd have little fear in the vehicles that the BLM was on scene with.

On a good horse a seasoned horseman/horsewoman can very quickly traverse terrain which would be a impassable for an ATV or even a dirt bike.

There's a very good reason why militarys had the cavalry and why Native Americans adopted the use of the horse. And there's not a conventional wheeled or tracked vehicle in the world which can move as efficiently as a horse. On very rough and rugged terrain there's no way in the world that any motorized land vehicle can keep up with a horse (that has been used for that use before).

[midnight rambler]

I don't think most people realize how far and how fast someone can travel in all kinds of terrain horseback day or night. The Bundys were horse back to take control of the cattle and move them out and there's no better way to do that than with well trained horses and riders experienced in handling cattle.

If all those riders were armed with handguns, the portable corrals were thrown open and had wanted to they could have been on top of the BLM guys in a couple of seconds and shot the hell out of them. If they'd have had some molotov coctails their vehicles could have been destroyed too.



Thought I'd post a movie clip of one guy in action instead of twenty or thirty





I knew you'd get it Tumbleweed. A seasoned horseman/horsewoman on a good horse could not be more unpredictable - and they can fly like the wind.

FWIW, I was good enough that I could ride my favorite pet horse 'injun style', i.e. running him while riding bareback with only a piece of hay twine wrapped around the lower part of his head just above his mouth and nostrils (as in no bridle).

[Ares]

Sen. Harry Reid: Bundy Dispute ‘Not Over’

“We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over”

Mikael Thalen
Infowars.com
April 14, 2014

After remaining silent for days, Nevada Sen. Harry Reid made comments regarding the ongoing dispute between the Bureau of Land Management and rancher Cliven Bundy today, accusing the Bundy family of violating the law.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F6b2y9jVkAo

link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F6b2y9jVkAo

“Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid told News 4.

Despite telling the Bundy family that a deal had been reached Saturday after federal agents were forced to retreat, the BLM reversed its promise Monday and told reporters that they planned to go after Bundy “administratively and judicially.”

“The door isn’t closed. We’ll figure out how to move forward with this,” BLM spokesman Craig Leff said. “The BLM and National Park Service did not cut any deal and negotiate anything, there was no deal we made.”

Unsurprisingly, reporters made no attempt to question Reid regarding his involvement after an Infowars report linked Reid to the attempted Bundy land grab.

The most read news story in the world Friday, Infowars reporter Kit Daniels revealed documents linking Reid and the BLM’s director, Reid’s former senior adviser, to a Chinese energy firm that has been working to remove Bundy from his home in order to install solar panel power stations.

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” one document states about Bundy’s cattle.

Harry Reid’s son, Rory Reid, has been the chief representative to the Chinese firm, which announced its plan to build a $5 billion solar plant on public Nevada land in 2012.

Despite multiple attempts by the BLM to regulate Bundy off the land his family has worked on for more than 140 years, in one instance claiming Bundy was harming an endangered tortoise that the agency itself was killing in mass, Bundy has continued to remain the last rancher in his area.

Although corporate media outlets are attempting to sway public opinion, Bundy supporters continue to arrive at the ranch to provide support. Regardless of the federal government’s next move, the BLM’s heavy handed response to the situation, which included snipers, assaults, a no-fly zone, a First Amendment Area and threats of death, has shattered their public image.

Fresh off the historic victory, which saw federal agents back down to Americans and return nearly 100 cattle, Bundy supporters remain on scene, awaiting the federal government’s next move.

http://www.infowars.com/sen-harry-reid-bundy-dispute-not-over/

[midnight rambler]

“We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it." --Harry Reid

Gawd how I love irony!

What an arrogant POS. I'd call him swine if it weren't such an insult to hogs.

[mick silver]

hey hey dont call my pig Harry Reid . thats just ficking mean

[Ares]

Judge Napolitano on Bundy Ranch standoff


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iayVoKJbRNo

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=iayVoKJbRNo

[Ares]

Exclusive: Sources Inside The BLM and Las Vegas Metro Say Feds Are Planning A Raid On Bundy Home

Bunkerville, NEVADA, April 14, 2014– As reported yesterday, hundreds of federal agents are still at the Bundy Ranch and the area continues its status as a no-fly zone. Despite major media reports that the Nevada Bureau of Land Management is retreating, the remaining activity that still surrounds the ranch illustrates a different scenario.

Not only is the BLM not actually backing off of Cliven Bundy, Sheriff Richard Mack of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association has revealed stunning information: on Ben Swann’s radio program, Mack said that he has received intelligence from multiple, credible sources inside the BLM and the Las Vegas Metro that there is “no question” that the federal government is planning a raid on the Bundy home and the homes of their children who live on the property.

According to Mack, the so-called retreat was nothing more than theatrics. “It was a ploy to get people to back off, to get people out of the way. They weren’t expecting us to get this amount of people here. They were surprised by the numbers and so they wanted a way to get us out of here. This was a ploy to get us out of here and then they’re going after the Bundys.” Mack said that when he was at the Bundy ranch on Saturday there were an estimated 600 to 800 protesters present when federal agents were releasing the cattle.

“If they do that kind of raid, I don’t believe there’s any way that could happen without bloodshed,” Mack told Swann.

Mack spoke about the tactic that protesters used by putting women at the front of the line facing the federal agents to make them think carefully before opening fire.

“I would’ve gone next. I would’ve been the next one to be killed. I’m not afraid to die here. I’m willing to die here,” said Mack.

Mack said that he had been told by Bundy that the federal government is actively shutting down the ranching industry, specifically in Clark County. He also revealed that there used to be 53 ranches in Clark County. All of those ranchers have been put out of business, except for Bundy who is still trying to hold on. “Every American should be outraged by it,” said Mack. The ranch has been in Bundy’s family since 1877.

Mack decried Nevada governor Brian Sandoval for declaring this situation unconstutional while doing nothing to stop it. “He could have called in the state’s national guard, could have called in the sheriff’s office, could have called in highway patrol, and he’s done nothing except assail what’s going on. That’s easy, that’s cowardly.”

Sheriff Mack also called out media including radio host Glenn Beck who he says is siding with the BLM on this issue.

“I can’t believe that there are some Americans, and some media like Glenn Beck, that are supporting the BLM in this and it’s absolutely disgraceful.”

You can listen to the full interview, including Sheriff Mack’s stunning statement, above.

Video of phone call at the link:
http://benswann.com/exclusive-sources-inside-the-blm-and-las-vegas-metro-say-feds-are-planning-a-raid-on-bundy-home/#ixzz2yuO6CION
Follow us: @BenSwann_ on Twitter

[mick silver]

fuck Glenn Beck he needs to go back to his homeland . people like him in time will pay for there shit they put out

[midnight rambler]

I'm seeing where having one's own fleet of surveillance drones would provide a tactical advantage.


Sun Tzu said: He who occupies the battlefield first and awaits the enemy will be at ease; he who arrives later and makes war in haste will be weary. Thus, he who is skilled in war always leads the enemy by the nose, and will not be manipulated by the enemy. Give the enemy inducement and you can make him come into your trap. Threaten him with danger and you can stop him from approaching you. Therefore, the general should tire the enemy while he is at ease, starve the enemy while he is well fed, and make the enemy move while he is stationary.

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch: Harry Reid, Chinese Solar and US Debt


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP_rfKVFgAY&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP_rfKVFgAY&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Bundy Ranch: Jerome Corsi Exposes the Chinese Debt Exchange


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0kQe271tcU&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0kQe271tcU&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

[Libertytree]

I don't like Harry worth a damn and deserves anything from the people that comes his way, that being said, what about the "rest of the story" or rather it's pre-story?

What about all the other 50+ ranchers that the BLM/.gov fucked out of their properties?

What about folks all across the country that that have been fucked by similar BULLSHIT? If it's going on in NV then you can bet your ass that senators and the critters are getting or have gotten their paydays too! From sea to shining fucking sea.

[Cebu_4_2]

Right with you LT, I think this can of worms is going to turn into a can of whoop ass for a lot of these dirty politicians.

[Shami-Amourae]

Ammon Bundy was interviewed. Awesome info:
Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/tbh2g5wpxj/Rense.20140414.2of3.mp3) Hour 2 - Deborah Tavares (http://stopthecrime.net/) - LIVE From The Bundy Ranch

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch - What You're Not Being Told


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HFiosLqjoQQ

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HFiosLqjoQQ

In this we're going to present you with evidence of blatant corruption and criminal activities that anyone, including law enforcement, can easily verify.

But before we go into the details, it's important to acknowledge here, that the political left and the political right are watching this crisis through very different eyes. You on the left saw this old rancher defying the Federal government over cattle grazing fees, with right wing pundits pleading his case, and armed militia moving in to intervene... it probably gave you the impression of Tea Party temper tantrum... with guns. Given some of the personalities who were involved in the media circus surrounding this, that impression is perfectly understandable, but underneath the appearances there is something here that all Americans need to see, whether they consider themselves conservative, liberal or none of the above.

All I ask is that you suspend your preconceived notions of what this crisis was about, for five minutes.

First let's eliminate some of the disinformation, speculation and conspiracy theories.

Here's a story that a lot of people were spreading around without fact checking. It got 47,000 shares on Facebook alone. The author claims that the siege of the Bundy ranch was about was really about fracking leases. That's a provocative narrative, one that I actually found very interesting. But just because something is plausible doesn't mean it's true. For evidence, the article links out to this page on the shalereporter.com, which does indeed talk about Bureau of Land Management (aka BLM) leasing out land in Nevada for Fracking. Trouble is, the author and 47,000 other people overlooked the blatantly obvious fact that the land in question is in north eastern Nevada. Clark county isn't in North Eastern Nevada. That's not a minor detail. Please, pretty please with a cherry on top, fact check before you spread information people. Always fact check.

Then there was this other line that kept getting spread around (and this is a direct quote):
"There are developers working for military contractors that want that land and water for mining weapons grade minerals for industry... they want to sell the land by the highway for real estate development because it's close to I-15". This claim wasn't backed up by even so much as a link. It was pure hearsay. Furthermore it doesn't even make sense. Military contractors (like Blackwater) want land for mining? And weapons grade minerals? To be perfectly honest I get the impression that this story was fabricated by some stoned college kid who thought it would be hilarious to send it to an alternative media outlet as a prank. You got to admit as prank that's pretty epic, especially since it worked. A media figure with a fairly decent sized audience, and I'm not going to name names, blasted it out to the public as is without asking for evidence or even critically examining the claim. A lot of people took that report and started spreading it around, and pretty soon there were people just repeating the narrative not even knowing where it came from. That's bad. Providing an echo chamber unfounded rumors and wild speculation is not journalism. The alternative media really needs to tighten their standards of evidence.

Alright, moving along, here we have this story that the showdown in Nevada was really about an underhanded business deal involving Senator Harry Reid, his son, the BLM and a 5 billion dollar solar energy plant. You probably saw a few people sharing links making these claims. Let's fact check.

Claim number one: Senator Harry Reid's son, Rory Reid (try saying that name ten times as fast as you can), is the primary representative for ENN energy group, a Chinese energy company involved in a $5 billion solar project planned for Clark County Nevada, on the on land where the Bundy ranch is located. First source: Reuters: Aug 31, 2012. Well this is interesting. It turns out that the conflicts of interest in this project were well documented, but Harry pushed it through anyway. He pushed it through in spite of the controversy that was stirred up when the land was sold to ENN for $4.5 million dollars even though separate appraisals valued the land at between $29.6 million and $38.6 million.

Claim number two: Reid put one of his former employees in charge of the Bureau of land management and thereby used his leverage in the agency to clear the Bundy's off the land. What do they claim as their source: CBS Las Vegas. Hmmm... That's interesting. Neil Kornze, the current BLM Chief is a former adviser for Harry Reid, and Harry Reid is the Senate Majority leader, and therefore was directly involved in his confirmation. That's another serious conflict of interest there considering that the BLM is claiming jurisdiction over the land where Rory Reid's company wants to build.

But do we have any evidence that Reid actually exercised that influence in the agency to get what he wanted? Well that brings us to claim number three: Supposedly the BLM had posted on their website that they needed to get the Bundy family off of the land to make room for the energy project, but the BLM has since removed the page. The website that made this claim posted a screen shot split into two files and a link to a text version of the page that someone had copied. This is pretty weak. Though it does seem to match the overall narrative here, this would never be admissible in court. But let's dig a little deeper shall we. What if there is a version of the site cached somewhere on the web? Let's try the way back machine on archive.org. Nope, no dice, the page was never cached on way back machine. Let's try google's cache... BINGO! Here it is folks. This is google's record of what used to be on the site.

To download the full screenshot, right click on the image below and select "Save Image As".

http://d56amtpp2y9sx.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/imagecache/full_page_image/inline_image_uploads/CACHED-PAGE-!!!-Cattle_Trespass_Impacts_-_2014-04-12_18.56.45.png

"Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle"

They specifically referred to the solar project as a justification to seize Cliven Bundy's cattle.

Funny thing, we found the mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy zone, and guess who wrote it? That would be the BLM. Pretty convenient, for Harry Reid isn't it?

Now I took a screen shot of the Google cache right away. As I'm compiling this information I go back and I look at it again an hour later and what do you know, somebody came and took the cached version down. Somebody is trying to cover this thing up and fast. But you know what, they missed one. I found this cached version of the page on archive.is. If you follow the link in the description to our website SCG News.com you'll find a direct link to this page. I highly recommend that each and every one of you go and verify its contents for yourself before someone has it taken down.

Click here (http://archive.is/www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/more/trespass_cattle/cattle_trespass_impacts.html) to view the cached version of the page that the BLM was desperately trying to hide.

Or click here (http://archive.today/nvlzr) to get to that link from another path.

But even if they take this last link down they left trail. Google's server logs will still have a record of the exact date their cached snap shot was taken, chances are they still have that snap shot, and you know what? Even if someone tried to erase it completely, with modern technology It is very easy for forensic technicians to recover data like this even if it seems to be deleted from the system. The digital trace is still there. The BLM's servers and every computer involved also have a trail, and trying to remove that trail would leave an even bigger trail.

All we need is somebody in law enforcement with a spine, but that's another story isn't it.

This isn't about turtles folks. It's not even about cattle. This is about money and power.

Turns out our little friend Harry Reid has a nice little empire rigged for himself in Nevada. Let's take a look at this article from the LA Times. This is from 2003. Apparently it's no secret that Harry's way of profiting off his position is by using his influence to push through deals that help his family members. He's got family representing virtually every major industry and they are doing quite well thank you very much. Thing is, this is technically not illegal. In fact it has become the standard way to bribe politicians in the United States. You can't line their pockets directly, but you can line their son's pockets, and their cousin's pockets and their uncle's pockets all you want.

However using a federal agency to seize cattle, and physically intimidate and brutalize a family to facilitate that dirty deal. That's all kinds of illegal. Then they to attempt to cover up the evidence... and that's also a crime.

Again, all we need is a law enforcement officer with a spine.

I'll be perfectly honest. When I saw some of the media personalities that were capitalizing on this this drama, I was very skeptical, but once I saw what was really going on I understood right away why people's blood is boiling.

Take another look at what happened on that ranch, the military style crack down, the violence. Imagine Clive Bundy was your father or grandfather. Imagine if his wife was your mother or grandmother. Imagine it was your family who's livelihood was being destroyed by some filthy rich politician who just can't get enough.

What happened in Clark County Nevada struck a nerve with the American people, but the response we saw had very little to do with this particular crisis. There is something much deeper brewing under the surface in the United States. This showdown was just a catalyst.

It wasn't the greatest atrocity of the decade or even of the year. I wish people had felt this moved by the NSA's domestic spying program, or the secret kill list, or the drone program, or the Libyan war, or the Iraq war or the Afghan war. I wish people had been activated by something bigger than the plight of a cattle rancher. But you know what? We don't get to pick the breaking point.

Rosa Parks sparked a civil rights movement with her refusal to sit in the back of the bus. Clive Bundy almost started the 2nd American revolution by refusing to let the feds run him over.

What we saw in Nevada clearly demonstrated just how easily that breaking point can be reached.

Now even knowing the real story, hearing about militia mobilizing all over the country to come physically defend the Bundy family is probably still very disconcerting for many progressives, this was a very dangerous situation. A lot of people could have ended up dead. But consider this: remember back in 2011 when riot police swooped in to brutally crush the occupy movement? Remember how you felt? No one stood up for them. No one fought back. And what was the result? The thugs won.The media quickly switched to a new distraction, and the public forgot.

Imagine if it had been different. Imagine if people swarmed in from all over the country; not to wave signs in the air, but to stand up for your rights; even if they disagreed with you politically. That didn't happen, but it should have.

It's been said that the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Trouble is, the people of the United States have been a bit confused about who the enemy really is. You've been allowing a thuggish, out of control, corporate owned government to persecute your ideological rivals, not realizing that the same boot will someday be grinding your face into the dirt. And all the while your common enemy, your real enemy gets stronger, and more aggressive, more lawless, and more blatantly corrupt as we dance the left right left right two step to tyranny. They've been playing you like a fiddle.

But the sleeping giant is starting to wake up.

And they are scared to death of you.

Now as for Harry Reid. He may just be one rotten apple in a barrel full of rotten apples, but he needs to be brought to justice.

To all of you out there who call yourself law enforcement, the American people are putting down a line the sand. If you don't stand up for justice, if you do not hold these scum bags accountable for their crimes, if you do not at least raise your voice and take a public stand then you are an accomplice. You are discrediting the entire framework of law and order, and you are giving the people a clear mandate to remove you from your office.

If you agree, then send this video to every person that you know especially to police, military, and veterans. Send it to your congressman, send it to your local news station, to your local news paper, to your local radio station. You have permission to download this video and distribute and present it in any venue commercial or non-commercial under the condition that the content is not altered in any way.

http://scgnews.com/bundy-ranch-what-youre-not-being-told

[Ares]

Bundy Ranch Press Conference from yesterday.

Sheriff Mack at 1 hour mark.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/46159523

[Libertytree]

Meanwhile the media, both left and right, are silent in the facts here. Reid is untouchable or so it seems and continues to run his traitorous mouth, threatening more action. Fucking scumbag! How is it no one is asking questions about what's going on? NO ONE, except alt media. This more than anything shows me just how fucked we are and how much of a stranglehold the corpratracracy (sp?) has on us.

[monty]

Meanwhile the media, both left and right, are silent in the facts here. Reid is untouchable or so it seems and continues to run his traitorous mouth, threatening more action. Fucking scumbag! How is it no one is asking questions about what's going on? NO ONE, except alt media. This more than anything shows me just how fucked we are and how much of a stranglehold the corpratracracy (sp?) has on us.


Maybe not, He has left a trail going back many years, now there is evidence that will stand up in court. My gut feeling is there is someone honest in law enforcemnt who will file charges against this scumbag. Even though maybe only 1% of our population is aware that may be enough to get the ball rolling

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[Ares]

Feds Desperate to Hide Harry Reid Link to Bundy Land Grab

BLM deletes Google cache of explosive document

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
April 15, 2014


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uqQRhJjS0ww

link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uqQRhJjS0ww

The feds are so desperate to hide Harry Reid’s connection to a Communist Chinese energy company linked to the Cliven Bundy land grab, they are now even deleting Google’s cached version of an explosive document originally deleted from the BLM website.

http://www.infowars.com/feds-desperate-to-hide-harry-reid-link-to-bundy-land-grab/

[mick silver]

Take another look at what happened on that ranch, the military style crack down, the violence. Imagine Clive Bundy was your father or grandfather. Imagine if his wife was your mother or grandmother. Imagine it was your family who's livelihood was being destroyed by some filthy rich politician who just can't get enough. .... tell it all

[Ares]

Nevada: Early Lessons of Bunkerville

The rush and rapidity of events in Bunkerville, Nevada surprised and cheered many, and there is a lot to learn from this case.

It’s too soon to know the long-term impact of people standing up against armed federales last week, but here are some early takeaways.

Location matters. This insurrection, brought on by federal government arrogance and greed, happened in part because people could get there, physically and intellectually. Wide open rangeland (for hardy cattle and 100 year old turtles) physically and visually juxtaposed with the artificial stupidity of “free speech zones,” domesticated citizens penned in by red government tape, tell a story without words, history lessons, or politics. The imagery brings to mind the words of one of my favorite heroes, “[T]he truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn’t there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission.”

Sifters like Drudge and Alex Jones are of enormous value in the struggle for human liberty. I use Jeff Deist’s phraseology here because it is so perfect. These market-driven and individualist information selectors, empowered by the low cost of the Internet and its associated technology, shared information in real time, live-streaming government actions and reactions, while providing the needed context of history, politics, economics, religion and culture, directly to people, not through their unions, their political parties, or their employers or their churches. The search for the “truth” can be activated and shared across state lines and political party prejudice. With timely information and honest context, government missteps and abuse can captivate and compel and even organize instant armies.

Sparks cause fires, and fires can radically change landscapes. But the humble spark that invites sympathy may be more powerful than other even more deserving sparks. Who doesn’t love family farmers, dogies on the range, and even a poor mistreated turtle? The lockdown of Boston a year ago was highly offensive, illegal in any constitutional sense, and chock-full of federalized law enforcement excess and abuse. Actual truth about every aspect of the backpack bombers has proven hard to get, to this day. Yet, because the government abuse was presented as justified, and was delivered with shock and awe, it succeeded as a practice run for Any City, USA. The thousands of innocent citizens in Boston who had their rights abused were also faceless and unsympathetic. Apparently, no puppies or kittens were harmed during the collective violation of their owners. Contrast this to what the feds did and intended to do to the Bundy family and their cows and calves. Property lines mattered, the victims had faces, children and traditions, and innocent mothers, children and cattle were caught in the threatened crossfire. The turtle situation also mattered, as news about how the government really treats endangered species boiled and bubbled across the Internet. The favor-trading and rent-seeking of state and federal politicians and their financiers were also exposed. The facts conspired to reveal the face of evil in the bland spineless government officials, in steely-eyed government snipers targeting unarmed Americans should they step out of line, in jackbooted government thugs and their machines itching for total dominance.

Simplicity is not 100% necessary in a spontaneous revolution, or any other kind. The Bundy case is not legally simple, and it has been over twenty years in the making. One could easily make the case, as the feds clearly rationalized, that the Bundys’ knew this was coming, they had to pay the demanded fines, and that public land is for public, re: “governmental” uses, as defined by whatever appropriate bureaucrat is in charge this decade, often as directed by bought-and-paid-for Senators and Congressmen. Given how much of Nevada is already considered federal property, it wouldn’t have been unreasonable to expect that average Americans would agree with the government position. Perhaps they did – but the tireless and fed up minority not only did not agree, because of the location, information and empathy, they showed up, like mushrooms after a spring rain, it must have seemed. Mechanistic calculations failed the bureaucrats, and a certain spirit of shared spontaneous sacrifice of brothers and sisters prevailed. Putting aside their own lives for the moment, and standing together, without violence but with an unusual and praiseworthy commitment to justice – this little army accomplished a great thing. Was it just property rights defense, or a simple reaction to an ugly power grab by a bristling state security apparatus? Or was this fight many things to many people, all arriving at the same place and frame of mind from various religious, constitutional, political, economic and cultural perspectives and interpretations?

Location, broad access to real-time information, a humble sympathetic spark illuminating a multifaceted and even complex problem of justice – these four ingredients seemed present in Bunkerville. Like the similar sounding Battle of Bunker Hill, the first battle of Bunkerville also illustrates that a weaker and inexperienced group opposed to tyranny can prevail against (or deliver a Pyrrhic victory to) the well-armed existent power structure. The BLM drawback will be publicly presented as a “good government” victory. In fact the federales and the politicians are already busy with their post-game analysis.

In their analysis, I believe they will determine that, 1) location matters (and hence must be carefully selected and controlled); 2) information is a domestic battleground and if messages cannot be managed, then technology and access should be; 3) empathy must be created and controlled (either for the government position, or for some government-controlled and friendly vector) and; 4) a more effective surveillance state, with better “mood” research, citizen tracking and list-keeping must be created, in order to prevent future “losses” such as at Bunkerville last week. Until we can shut down the printing presses at the Fed, the incessant borrowing, and the outrageous taxation in this troubled country, we cannot stop the state from more carefully choosing and hiding their mistreatment of citizens and their property. We will be unable to reverse the pre-emptive criminalization of every person in the country that is the fundamental driving purpose of the surveillance state.

As with the British Army in 1775, the state’s institutions sow the seeds of their own destruction. Inflation, crushing debt, and rats leaving the sinking ship will conspire towards ultimate collapse. As Bunkerville publicly demonstrated, we the people can peaceably help this process along. The state will call it reform, transformation, or even rehabilitation, even as politicians begin to scramble to “lead” the leaders of this liberty and justice movement. The state will shrink, in influence at first, as we have seen, then in physical presence, cohesiveness, and consumption. We will call it victory, and tell our children instructive fables of evil statist monsters. God bless the Bundys and their friends, and all of us. It has started!

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2014/april/14/nevada-early-lessons-of-bunkerville.aspx

[madfranks]

Take another look at what happened on that ranch, the military style crack down, the violence. Imagine Clive Bundy was your father or grandfather. Imagine if his wife was your mother or grandmother. Imagine it was your family who's livelihood was being destroyed by some filthy rich politician who just can't get enough. .... tell it all

Yeah but didn't you read how one of the cattle stepped on someone's "community garden"? This cannot be allowed and must be stopped at all costs, even if it means killing the whole family and destroying the cattle! /SARC

[mick silver]

i know how much you like glen beck madfrank so here you go .;D.. Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson warn conservatives about Bundy ranch disputehttp://media.theweek.com/img/speedreads/259997?203

George Frey/Getty Images



Glenn Beck is warning conservatives not to get too caught up in the controversy over Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who has been illegally grazing his cattle on federal land for more than 15 years. (Read more about the case here (http://theweek.com/article/index/259918/the-contentious-policy-at-the-heart-of-cliven-bundys-armed-standoff-with-the-government).) Yes, the federal government controls too much land out west — and yes, federal rangers went too far (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/federal-rangers-clash-protesters-fight-nevada-rancher-claim-public-land-article-1.1753370) with their heavy-handed tactics — but Beck cautions that extremists are using this incident as an excuse to fan the flames of violence.
"We did some research online with PsyID today," Beck said on his (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/)show (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/14/glenn-beck-warns-americans-against-falling-in-with-the-rights-version-of-occupy-wall-street/), "and found that there's about 10 or 15 percent of the people who are talking about this online that are truly frightening."
There are many "decent, small-government proponents from groups like the Tea Party" supporting Bundy, Beck continued, and they should be aware this controversy has drawn "violent, anti-government groups" who constitute "the right's version of Occupy Wall Street."
Tucker Carlson (my boss at the Daily Caller) made a related point (http://theweek.com/article/index/259997/Beck%20said%20on%20his%20show.) on Fox News' Special Report Monday night:
I have a lot of sympathy for the Bundys. I think they were completely mistreated by the federal government. But I still think it's important to point out that this land does not belong to them and that's not a minor distinction, it's the essence of private property.
It's good to see conservatives are finally learning to eschew the knee-jerk impulse that assumes the enemy of my enemy is always my friend (http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/21/the-enemy-of-my-enemy-is-my-friend-why-conservatives-are-always-defending-the-indefensible/).
- - Matt K. Lewis (http://theweek.com/author/matt-k-lewis)

[midnight rambler]

Least anyone fail to pick up on this - driving cattle and newborn calves to exhaustion leading to death with helicopters is animal cruelty and any of us lowly 'civilians' caught doing such a thing would get criminally charged for cruelty to animals, but there are no criminal charges forthcoming for the wicked (Satan's little helpers).

[madfranks]

Least anyone fail to pick up on this - driving cattle and newborn calves to exhaustion leading to death with helicopters is animal cruelty and any of us lowly 'civilians' caught doing such a thing would get criminally charged cruelty to animals, but there are no criminal charges forthcoming for the wicked (Satan's little helpers).

I didn't even think of that, but you're totally right.

[midnight rambler]

I didn't even think of that, but you're totally right.

One of my fave quotes: There's no limit to the wickedness of the wicked; just as soon as you think you've got your head wrapped around how wicked they are they will surprise you with still more extreme wickedness.

Their wickedness needs to be exposed by every caring soul witnessing to others every day.

[Ares]

Cattle Gather Operation Concluded

***All closure areas are now accessible and open with the exception of the Incident Command Post outside of Mesquite.*** (04/15/14)

Statement from Director of the Bureau of Land Management Neil Kornze on the Cattle Gather in Nevada (04/12/14)

Today we announced the decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our grave concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.

This afternoon, demonstrators gathered at the area where personnel and cattle were located. Due to escalating tensions, the cattle have been released from the enclosures in order to avoid violence and help restore order.

Safety has always been our number one priority, and the Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service appreciate the support of those who called for a peaceful conclusion to the operation.

As we have said from the beginning of the gather to remove illegal cattle from federal land consistent with court orders, a safe and peaceful operation is our number one priority. After one week, we have made progress in enforcing two recent court orders to remove the trespass cattle from public lands that belong to all Americans.

Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.

We ask that all parties in the area remain peaceful and law-abiding as the Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service work to end the operation in an orderly manner.

Ranching has always been an important part of our nation’s heritage and continues throughout the West on public lands that belong to all Americans. This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially.

http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/more/trespass_cattle.html

[midnight rambler]

Today we announced the decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our grave concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.


TRANSLATION: We will continue to inflict cruelty upon these 'illegal cattle' without guilt, remorse, shame, or regret at our soonest possible opportunity; so fuck all you proles, WE ARE Satan's little helpers and as such we are UNTOUCHABLE and UNACCOUNTABLE.

[Libertytree]

This has struck me since the 1st time I saw it and it continues to piss me off.

“We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over”

Let me fix that for ya.....

“We can’t have American SENATORS that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over, you can bet your happy ass it ain't over”

[monty]

This has struck me since the 1st time I saw it and it continues to piss me off. “We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over” Let me fix that for ya..... “We can’t have American SENATORS that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over, you can bet your happy ass it ain't over”

He has a lot of balls being the most corrupt of the corrupt. I am sure a lot of other folks feel the same as you, I know I do. Harry Reid may be immune from prosecution as long as Obama and Eric Holder are in office. After that he better be looking over his shoulders. We in Nevada have been aware of many of Reid's land deals for many years, but this incident has brought it to light in the other 49 States. Keep pouring gasoline on the fire.

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[Ares]

Judge Andrew Napolitano told Fox News today that he was “fearful” of what might happen next in the Cliven Bundy dispute, noting that Senator Harry Reid’s assertion that the situation is “not over” could be an ominous sign.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsVM6rfbvco

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsVM6rfbvco

“I’m actually a little fearful because although the government appears to have backed down now, their local mouthpiece Senator Harry Reid said it’s not over,” said Napolitano, referring to comments Reid made yesterday.

Napolitano again criticized the federal government’s heavy handed methods in the dispute, choosing to steal Bundy’s property rather than file a lien against him in order to claim the grazing fees they claim he owes.

The judge sees Reid inserting himself into the saga as a troubling indication, suggesting it’s a sign that the feds will “probably will move back in,” with a new “show of force,” but that they will be met by ” a lot of resistance from a lot of patriotic Americans who don’t like the federal government using guns to do what they should be doing with paper and pencil.”

Napolitano also pointed out that Reid’s former advisor Neil Kornze is now director of the Bureau of Land Management and that Reid “obviously has a personal and political relationship” with the dispute.

As we documented in a story that went viral, Reid’s son Rory Reid was the chief representative for a Chinese energy firm planning to build a $5 billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada, a deal that was pushed through with the aid of Senator Reid. When a document was discovered on the Bureau of Land Management website confirming that the seizure of Bundy’s cattle was about kicking the cattle rancher off the land to make way for solar energy projects, the BLM deleted the web page.

Rory Reid today launched what the Daily Caller described as “a small-scale PR campaign against the ranchers” when he called for Bundy to be prosecuted.

In a separate interview, Judge Napolitano expressed his shock at seeing BLM agents armed with M16′s, stating, “It really looked like they were fighting a war against a foreign invader rather than enforcing a judgment against an American.”

Napolitano’s sentiments echo those of former Congressman Ron Paul, who told Fox News’ Neil Cavuto that he fears a Waco-style assault may be launched against Bundy’s ranch.

http://www.infowars.com/judge-napolitano-fearful-of-whats-coming-next-in-bundy-dispute/

[mick silver]

we the people need to set up a court for harry reid not the one in dc one run by the people for the people . dam a guy can dream huh

[monty]

A common law grand jury and a common law court as long as we are dreaming . . . .

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[Ares]

Bundy Ranch: We Came Risking Never Coming Home


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS7EoIFZcs8&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS7EoIFZcs8&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Bundy Ranch: Stewart Rhodes and the Statesman Vigil


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfcpRlSNbuE&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfcpRlSNbuE&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

[Cebu_4_2]

Questions Raised About Senator Reid’s Connection to Bundy Ranch Dispute

Written by Warren Mass (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/itemlist/user/45-warrenmass)
http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/b3521ed3c2b17341b7c9bb65ee47505c_M.jpg (http://www.thenewamerican.com/media/k2/items/cache/b3521ed3c2b17341b7c9bb65ee47505c_XL.jpg)

The standoff between Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal Bureau of Land Management (BLM) deescalated on April 12, when the bureau announced that it will stop its operation to confiscate Bundy’s cattle.

But another aspect to this ongoing story is jumping: The blogosphere is alive with allegations that Senator Harry Reid (pictured), and his son, Rory, have motivations of their own for wanting Bundy’s cattle off the disputed lands.

Though the major media announced that a “deal” had been reached between Bundy and the BLM, Bundy explained what transpired differently in an interview with KLAS TV in Las Vegas: “There is no deal here. The citizens of America and Clark County went and took their cattle. There was no negotiations. They took these cattle. They are in possession of these cattle and I expect them to come home soon.”

The BLM stated in its statement released on April 12: “Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public.”

The BLM’s language made apparent that the bureau still regarded its actions “to remove illegal cattle from federal land consistent with court orders” as being legally justified:

This is a matter of fairness and equity, and we remain disappointed that Cliven Bundy continues to not comply with the same laws that 16,000 public lands ranchers do every year. After 20 years and multiple court orders to remove the trespass cattle, Mr. Bundy owes the American taxpayers in excess of $1 million. The BLM will continue to work to resolve the matter administratively and judicially.

As William F. Jasper noted in his April 11 article about the standoff, however, there was more to the federal action to remove Bundy’s cattle from “public lands” (where they are, allegedly, damaging the “fragile” habitat of the protected desert tortoise) than has been widely reported:

According to Bundy, whose family has been ranching in the area since the 1800s, the BLM’s armed invasion and occupation of Nevada has nothing to do with protecting the tortoise and everything to do with running him off the land, as it has already done to all of the other ranchers in Clark County.

As for the BLM’s assertion that its actions “to remove illegal cattle” are legally justified, among the many points that Joe Wolverton II made in his April 12 article charging that the seizure of Bundy’s cattle was unconstitutional was this citation from Section 1 of the Nevada constitution, titled “Inalienable Rights”:

All men are by Nature free and equal and have certain inalienable rights among which are those of enjoying and defending life and liberty; Acquiring, Possessing and Protecting property and pursuing and obtaining safety and happiness.

Wolverton observed: “Despite the Nevada constitution’s capitulation to supreme federal authority (authority, remember, that does not exist in the Constitution) … it could be argued [that the above-quoted language from Section 1] supersedes the other article’s cession of state and popular sovereignty.”
That which is unconstitutional, therefore, cannot properly be called legal.

As the tension between Bundy and the BLM ratchets down, a number of conservative bloggers and pundits have raised questions about another angle in this case: Does the BLM want Bundy’s cattle off the land his family has worked for over 140 years in order to free up the land for the construction of solar panel power stations?
That question was prompted, in part, by since-deleted information previously posted on the BLM website, information retrieved from Google’s cache.

The text of a BLM document retrieved from Google’s cache and posted by Liberty News Online contains the following chronology of events:
• “In 1993, some of the terms of Mr. Bundy’s grazing permit for the Bunkerville allotment were modified to protect the desert tortoise.”
• “In 1998, the United States filed a civil complaint against Mr. Bundy for his continued trespass grazing in the Bunkerville Allotment.”
• “In 1999, the Las Vegas Field Office Resource Management Plan designated the Bunkerville allotment as ‘Closed to Grazing’ to protect desert tortoise habitat.”
• “In March 2011, BLM counted 903 cattle from a helicopter spread out over approximately 90 miles in northeast Clark County within the Gold Butte area … 41 percent had either brands or earmarks registered to Cliven Bundy.”
• “In May 2012, the United States filed a Complaint seeking declaratory and injunctive relief for Cliven Bundy’s trespass grazing within the Gold Butte area outside the Bunkerville Allotment.”

A PDF of the BLM’s document, “Regional Mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar energy Zone: Technical Note 444,” (http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medialib/blm/wo/blm_library/tech_notes.Par.29872.File.dat/TN_444.pdf) produced by the BLM in March, can be found online.

Technical Note 444 states that the “’Regional Mitigation Strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone’ recommends a strategy for compensating for certain unavoidable impacts that are expected from the development of the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone (SEZ) in southern Nevada.”

Technical Note 444 states: “The resource values found in the Gold Butte ACEC are threatened by: unauthorized activities, including off-road vehicle use, illegal dumping, and trespass livestock grazing; wildfire; and weed infestation.” (Emphasis added.)

The above-referenced BLM “Technical Note 444” specifically mentions the Gold Butte Area of Critical Environmental Concern (ACEC) 76 times. While the document expresses many environmental concerns, including “trespass livestock grazing,” it is important to keep in mind that the title of the document reveals the BLM’s ultimate objective, which is to create a “solar energy zone.”

One of the references listed in Technical Note 444 is “Final Programmatic Environmental Impact Statement (PEIS) for Solar Energy Development in Six Southwestern States. FES 12- 24, DOE/EIS-0403,” published jointly by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE). The PEIS, notes TN 444, “assessed the impact of utility-scale solar energy development on public lands in the six southwestern states of Arizona, California, Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and Utah.”

The BLM and the DOE’s joint venture is — stated concerns about tortoises aside — about the generation of solar energy.

An article published by The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/energy/item/12730-harry-reid-bolsters-son%E2%80%99s-interests-in-chinese-solar-plant-deal%20%20) in September 2012 noted that Rory Reid, the eldest son of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), is the chief representative for ENN Energy Group, a Chinese firm planning to build a $5-billion solar plant on public land in Laughlin, Nevada.

The plan generated a great deal of controversy because Clark County officials voted to sell ENN the public land for $4.5 million, a figure far below its $38.6-million appraised value.

It is important to recognize that the land on which Bundy grazes his cattle is not the same land that ENN sought near Laughlin, which is over 200 miles away. However, the Bundy grazing land is within the BLM's Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone, an area the BLM and DOW also want to use for “utility-scale solar energy development,” whether constructed by ENN or someone else. As blogger and candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from California’s 8th District Rodney Lee Conover recently wrote:

As part of the plan for the Dry Lake solar zone, any solar developers are expected to pay into a fund to “mitigate” the Gold Butte area. However, the “mitigation” activities can’t take place with cattle grazing in the area. If the mitigation doesn’t take place, no money for the BLM.

Conover’s assertions are supported by the BLM’s document entitled “Cattle Trespass Impacts,” which states that grazing by Bundy’s cattle “impacts” solar development, more specifically the construction of “utility-scale solar power generation facilities” on “public lands.”

“Non-Governmental Organizations have expressed concern that the regional mitigation strategy for the Dry Lake Solar Energy Zone utilizes Gold Butte as the location for offsite mitigation for impacts from solar development, and that those restoration activities are not durable with the presence of trespass cattle,” an article by Kit Daniels posted by Infowars quoted the document as saying.

Motivations are not always easy to prove, but in this case, Senator Reid’s hand has shown up more than once. The BLM’s principal deputy director, Neil Kornze, previously served as Senator Reid’s senior policy advisor. And we have noted Rory Reid’s role as the chief representative for China’s ENN Energy Group, which has sought to develop solar energy in Nevada. Whether these suspicions are proof of wrongful or illegal acts remains to be seen.

However, one thing is evident from what has transpired in Nevada: The federal government has reneged on a long-standing arrangement made by a rancher in good faith by which he and his family have earned a living for generations. In so doing, they have run roughshod over the rights of a U.S. citizen and have employed constitutionally dubious means to do so. If justice prevails, some judge with respect for the Constitution may follow the example of Chief Judge Robert C. Jones of the Federal District Court of Nevada. Last year — in the case of U.S. v. Hage — Jones issued an impassioned preliminary bench ruling in which he charged federal officials of the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) and the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) with an ongoing series of illegal actions against Nevada rancher E. Wayne Hage. Jones described the bureaucrats’ actions as “abhorrent” and a literal, criminal conspiracy.
Which is a pretty apt description of the BLM’s recent actions against Cliven Bundy.

[Cebu_4_2]

Bundy Ranch: We Came Risking Never Coming Home


Bundy Ranch: Stewart Rhodes and the Statesman Vigil

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfcpRlSNbuE&list=UULoNQH9RCndfUGOb2f7E1Ew

Man I didn't want to say anything but how does she hold them watermelons under her shirt and not simply topple over?

[Libertytree]

People, if you want to call them that, like Harry, should be very cautious now. There's a lot of good folks who have nothing left to lose.

[Cebu_4_2]

Cant post the video:

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A family affair: Now Harry Reid’s son says Cliven Bundy ‘should be prosecuted’ [VIDEO]

Rory Reid, the son of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, echoed his father’s comments on the battle between the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, saying the latter “should be prosecuted.”

The younger Reid, a lawyer and Democratic politician who failed to win the Nevada governorship in 2010, made the remarks during a Monday interview on an NBC political talk show aired in Las Vegas.

Reid claimed Bundy “is not a victim and he’s not a hero. He’s been using that he doesn’t own for over 20 years and he didn’t pay. He broke the law. There are hundreds of ranchers throughout Nevada that conduct their profession honorably. There’s thousands of them throughout the country and when they have a dispute with the BLM they try to work it out.”

“We believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and you can’t just ignore the laws we don’t like,” he later continued. “I think clearly if state and local prosecutors look at this more closely, they’re going to find that he broke the law and he should be prosecuted.”
(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/15/rory_reid_rancher_cliven_bundy_should_be_prosecute d.html#)
Reid’s remarks buttress those made by his father the same day in Reno, when the Democratic senator told reporters the standoff between the federal government over the legal ownership of Bundy’s ranch is “not over.” (RELATED: Reid warns Nevada cattle rancher who faced down feds: ‘It’s not over’ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/14/reid-warns-nevada-cattle-rancher-who-faced-down-feds-its-not-over/))
(http://dailycaller.com/2014/04/14/reid-warns-nevada-cattle-rancher-who-faced-down-feds-its-not-over/#ixzz2yzDktKNS)
Despite being a political powerhouse in Nevada, the Reid family remained silent on the controversy after BLM officers unexpectedly surrounded Bundy’s ranch last week. But now that the BLM has retreated, Harry and Rory Reid appear to be staging a small-scale PR campaign against the ranchers.
[h/t RCP (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/15/rory_reid_rancher_cliven_bundy_should_be_prosecute d.html)]

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[Ares]

“We believe in a country in which we are subject to laws and you can’t just ignore the laws we don’t like,” he later continued. “I think clearly if state and local prosecutors look at this more closely, they’re going to find that he broke the law and he should be prosecuted.”

Shut the fuck up Rory. Don't you have your daddy's friends cocks who need some polishing?

[mick silver]

i am with you ares i would bet his ass hole looks like the end of a five gallon bucket

[Libertytree]

This is in the hands of the Nevada people, they CAN force this issue if they really want to. The Reids should be marked men, politically and otherwise.

[mick silver]

the people of Nevada should want someone thats works for them not there family

[Ares]

the people of Nevada should want someone thats works for them not there family

Looking like there is more than just the Reids involved in this story.

Obama Administration Approved BLM Cattle Impounding According to Documents on BLM Website

Go here: http://www.blm.gov/nv/st/en/fo/lvfo/blm_programs/more/trespass_cattle/public_notices_and.html
Click on the link that says, Federal Register Notice for Temporary Closure on BLM Managed Public Lands (http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2014-03-27/pdf/2014-06826.pdf)

The Department of the Interior is headed by the Secretary of the Interior, Sally Jewel.

This scandal appears to be connected to one of President Obama's cabinet members!

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At least they're looking out for our right to free speech!

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Daily Paul member "Rob Hino" is the author of the above work.

http://www.dailypaul.com/316954/obama-administration-approved-blm-cattle-impounding-according-to-documents-on-blm-website

[monty]

This is in the hands of the Nevada people, they CAN force this issue if they really want to. The Reids should be marked men, politically and otherwise.

The problem here is the people in Las Vegas out number the people from Nevada!

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[monty]

the people of Nevada should want someone thats works for them not there family

Last election every house in Northern Nevada had a vote for anyone but Harry Reid sign in the yard. Or Will Rogers never met Harry
Reid. Stil the ahole got re-electr

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[monty]

My daughter's sentiments:






http://jnpranch.com/2014/04/15/history-in-the-making-nevada-standoff/

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[monty]

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[Tumbleweed]

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Harry Asshole Reid ^

[palani]

Mr Bundy would probably be better off if he wasn't going around proclaiming others to be the owner of the land he is grazing on. If true that makes him and his cattle a trespasser. Why wouldn't he claim enough land to be satisfied with, legal notice, notices at courthouse, claim markers etc? That would make his land PRIVATE and not PUBLIC. The Federal Register notice affects only PUBLIC land. Then there could be a proper difference of opinion instead of a foregone conclusion and a predetermined outcome.

[Ares]

Mr Bundy would probably be better off if he wasn't going around proclaiming others to be the owner of the land he is grazing on. If true that makes him and his cattle a trespasser. Why wouldn't he claim enough land to be satisfied with, legal notice, notices at courthouse, claim markers etc? That would make his land PRIVATE and not PUBLIC. The Federal Register notice affects only PUBLIC land. Then there could be a proper difference of opinion instead of a foregone conclusion and a predetermined outcome.

You're still of the opinion that said governments would recognizes Bundy's claim. Somehow I don't think they give a shit. Considering the BLM documents, as well as other sources connected to the Canamex highway system which is rumored to be connected to this land grab. They do not recognize private property. Making a claim as such doesn't stop sociopaths who make up the law as they go along.

[Ares]

Updating With Stewart Rhodes

NOTE: First, at the moment things are quiet here. 99% of the rumors on the internet are either blatantly false or wildly inaccurate. No strong presence of federal agents has been seen. Remnants of BLM’s recent sojourn here are still present, such as the lights they had put up at their “field-headquarters” and no doubt we are under surveillance of all kinds, but there is no overt, visible massing of federal law enforcement.

We are, however concerned that the domestic enemies of the Constitution that infest the federal government might try to take advantage of folks going home, and attempt to make a move on the Bundy family. We feel certain that they will want to try again at some point, perhaps in a different way, even perhaps by executing a dynamic entry raid to attempt to arrest the Bundys. And we have heard that this is being discussed, though I have not been able to directly confirm it. But it is a real risk.

Therefore, to prevent such a raid, or to at least throw a monkey wrench into any such plans and make it more difficult for them, we’re doing the following:

1: We are calling on all Oath Keepers who can possibly get here to come to the Bundy Ranch to serve as volunteers on an ongoing, rotating watch. That is not because there is any great emergency, but is a preventative measure – sort of like doing a rotation on the DMZ.

I am urging each and every Oath Keepers member who can, to get here and spend a bit of time to ensure that the Bundys are not alone. We need boots on the ground. We want you here, standing watch, which is appropriate for us Oath Keepers since our motto is “Not on Our Watch.”

We have six Oath Keepers here from New Hampshire (one of whom – Jerry DeLemus – is now the head of security for the ranch). We have one woman, Lori Storm, who drove down by herself from Nebraska, and one of our Board members from Nebraska, Steve Homan, is also here. We’ve got people here from Montana, Utah, Arizona, California, and Washington State. People are here from all over the country.

But people, however dedicated, will get burnt out and we need others to rotate in. We need you to step up and serve your turn on watch.

We are raising money to help with gasoline – just be sure to save all receipts for reimbursement.

(EA here: That may only be available on first-come first-served basis. Of the money we’ve raised thus far, we’ve given $12,000.00 dollars to the Bundy family, and we purchased a $1,000.00 generator, but we are now raising more money to help some folks traveling from afar.)

I will not ask you to do anything I am not willing to do myself. So, even though I have been away from my home and family since April 10, I am still here, and I will remain here through April 19, standing watch with the others. I was supposed to be speaking at a rally in Idaho on that day, but I canceled that because I need to be here to lead by example by also pulling a watch stint.

And I can think of no better place to be on April 19 than on ground where modern patriots followed the example of the Founders and stood firm in defense of liberty. Like their forefathers before them who stood at Lexington and Concord, they refused to bend the knee to tyranny, and they stood their ground. And that spot of ground may go down in history as the birthplace of the next American Revolution, where the tide was turned, and the people stood up.

OATH RENEWAL CEREMONY, SATURDAY, APRIL 19

On Saturday, April 19, we w ill have speakers (such as Mike Vanderboegh of the Three Percenters) and then we will follow in the foosteps of the Founding generation by renewing our oaths at approximately 6pm. What better place to do that than where brave Americans just kept their oaths and continue to keep their oaths in such a profound and moving way.

I invite you to join us there, both to do your duty, and to honor our forefathers and every American who has fought for this nation, from Lexington Green to today, as we celebrate our liberty that has been won for us and preserved for us, at such great cost.

NOTE: There is also a cowboy barbeque being thrown Friday night, April 18, by the Bundy family down by the river near their ranch. The Bundy’s will provide the food and live music, with the first band going on at 6pm. All you need to do is show up. Ammon Bundy told me that you are welcome to bring your families, and are welcome to camp there. So, this is not just about standing watch. This is also about fellowship, family, and enjoying the land the Bundy family has been caring for for generations.

All of us who are here consider it a great honor to stand with this patriot family, and I can tell you that we Oath Keepers also consider it a great honor to be in the company of this fine bunch of Americans who have traveled from all over our country to support and stand with the Bundy family.

The Bundys are open and very grateful for people coming to be there for them, and thus far the caliber and quality of the people who’ve been here has been outstanding. From all over America people of good character and brave spirit have come to help and have done honor to our American traditions. We want those types of people. We do not want hot-heads who are looking for a fight. We want “cool, calm, and collected” – the “quiet professional.” Thank you for understanding. Yes, by all means, bring your rifles, handguns, and whatever other gear you think you will need to stand watch, and yes, that includes any cammo you think will work best.

2: A rotating vigil of state legislators and current serving sheriffs at the ranch. This second part of our plan is a continuation of what we’ve already been doing. Oath Keepers helped facilitate a number of legislators from several Western States traveling to the Bundy Ranch this past week. Sheriff Mack’s Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association (CSPOA.org) helped ensure that some real-deal constitutional Sheriffs were also present on the side of the Bundy family.

We will be continuing this effort and we need proactive Oath Keepers to help arrange a steady stream of State and County officials to rotate presence there so that the idiot government will have to admit it’s ready to kill sitting elected public servants to assert its authority, or leave the Bundy family – and their cows – alone. Nevada Assemblywoman Michele Fiore, on Monday night, served the first vigil in the Bundy Ranch House (if only the Nevada Governor, Brian Sandoval, had a fraction of her integrity and courage. We wouldn’t need to be here).

And to support that “official” stream of State and County officials, as well as others with names of gravity, Oath Keepers’ general membership will also rotate into service there.

There is also some serious perimeter security and Oath Keepers CPTers who volunteer to help with the out-lying security in the desert will find this to be a great training exercise. Bring your gear. Consider this your Minute Man FTX. But however you come, do come. Oath Keepers will not be alone in this. Many other Americans are mobilizing now, millions of Americans are learning about it and are wanting to be helpful. Be part of it.

For the Republic!

Stewart Rhodes

Founder and President of Oath Keepers

PS – I want to personally thank Nebraska Oath Keepers President and member of our national BOD, Steve Homan, a Marine’s Marine, who fought in Vietnam, who is here with me. Though Steve has five stints in his heart, and still carries around a bullet in his stomach courtesy of the NVA, he is here, and he will be standing watch with me till Saturday evening. I also want to thank four fine patriots and Oath Keepers – Rick, Ben, George, and John – who also attend Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s Liberty Fellowship church in Montana. They drove down here together last week and though George had to fly home, Rick, Ben, and John have agreed to stay here with me until Saturday night, and then drive all night to get us home for Easter Service at Liberty Fellowship in Kalispell (I promised my wife and kids I would be home for Easter and that is a promise I need to keep if at all possible).

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2014/04/15/calling-all-oath-keepers-to-stand-watch-at-bundy-ranch/

[Ares]

Judge Nap Talks Bundy Ranch on Hannity: "The Most Dangerous Part Of This Is Yet To Come"


http://youtu.be/4BAzdy2sOl8

Link to video: http://youtu.be/4BAzdy2sOl8

[midnight rambler]

There's probably a drone or two or three at 10,000 ft. surveilling them.