The Organic Economy

[Johnzo]

Like many I am sick and tired of our political, economic and financial systems, the systems we are brainwashed to believe are the only way and that we actually have democracy and freedom etc.

Being a person who stopped watching tv and getting 'news' from the MSM I follow a few websites and forums that I trust for news and articles and like to read the comments to gauge people's feelings.
I noted how no-one ever has any idea as to how we can implement a new system. Yes, ideas to change some elements but nothing comprehensive.

I put my mind to this and received some wonderful insights and put them into a short ebook which is free and downloadable at a blog I have recently put up.

I have a crystal clear vision of a new society that is truly democratic, fair, inclusive, compassionate and prosperous. A system I call The Organic Economy.

We need a new vision, a new way. It is great protesting and occupying but what are we going to replace it all with? You cannot change anything from within the same systems that create all of our problems!

My aim is to spread this far and wide, to open as many people's eyes and minds as possible so please if you have time, read the short pdf and if it resonates with you, help to spread the information.

The ebook is short and should only take about an hour or so to read, it is available as a free downloadable pdf at www.theorganiceconomy.blogspot.ca.

Cheers,
Johnzo

[Shami-Amourae]

Please don't spam.

[Hitch]

Please don't spam.

Anyone want to take one for the team and read this ebook? Give us a review, that would be helpful before we invest our own time.

[woodman]

Fuck democracy.

[Ares]

I have a crystal clear vision of a new society that is truly democratic

You lost all interest there. There is NOTHING democratic about a system of commerce or government. Democracy is for idiots and morons.

[Neuro]

Please don't spam.
He isn't selling anything!

[osoab]

He isn't selling anything!

First post and he is shilling for his ebook? Spamming in my dictionary.

[Johnzo]

He isn't selling anything!

Thanks Neuro, no I am not selling anything at all.

I will be completely honest with you all. I have seen time and time again how people have no idea with regards to replacing the corrupt, rotten to the core systems we live within. Until a few weeks ago I also had no idea but then ideas came thick and fast and I wrote them down.
I put together a short ebook the best way I could to relay what I sincerely believe is potentially a game changer.

For example, the occupy movement, although they did actually scare governments, mainly consisted of people with different beefs and it lacked cohesion.
The ideas I propose are an answer to virtually ALL of their beefs as the people would be in control. Therefore this would be a unifying element which no-one could infiltrate and dissolve.

Yes, I joined this forum specifically to spread this message but only because I care deeply about the ways we are controlled and what is happening to mother Earth.
If you had such ideas which you know many people that are ticked with the status quo would like to hear, what would you do?

I do understand it is somewhat rude to join a forum and then to immediately post in this way without contributing first but I only did so in the belief that the kind of people here would appreciate the ideas.

Please read and comment, if it doesn't resonate then I apologise for wasting people's time. If forum members disagree with me and what I have posted then I will leave the forum.

Thankyou.

[Horn]

I noted how no-one ever has any idea as to how we can implement a new system. Yes, ideas to change some elements but nothing comprehensive.

Where were you for the anarcho-voluntariasts threads?

[Horn]

I have no problem with internet congress, Putin is already working on plans for one.

How you have a secure but open administration to administer is another challenge.

Your Constitution removes capitalism, what you may really want to do is stipulate that speculation or marketeering not be permitted on such consumable commodity items only. The notion of Caping prices all together will not make it float for many.

Security for the many would be required as more powerful than the individual, but enforcement of domestic laws should not be permitted to carry more power than the individual is allowed.

[Johnzo]

Horn, thanks for the feedback.

I did not intend to remove capitalism, nothing changes in that regard except usury is abolished, unless that is to what you are referring. The intent behind this all is for life to continue as is except for government and control systems, usury and holding prices to curtail greed.
Of course, there are all kinds of challenges but life is full of them. It is more a case of bringing the control to the people and for the nations prosperity to stay within the nation.

[osoab]

I don't want your system.

[Hitch]

I don't want your system.

Can you describe Johnzo's system? Can anyone give a cliff notes version of this discussion?

We assume the worst, as we should, as we need to, but sometimes it's good to be objective.

[Cebu_4_2]

@ Johnzo... Tough crowd here, get a backbone. I read partially through the PDF but skimmed, I just don't have time. Again get a backbone, newcommers are beat to shit here, if you are not a spammer put on your diapers and join in. What you brought up so far is worthy here.

[Santa]

I enjoyed the read. It's nice that you're thinking about a possibility of an upbeat, dare I say Utopian vision for the future. My cynical nature gets the better of me.

I'm wondering who gets to count all the online votes and who gets to be on the new non-governmental non-authoritative administrative committees? Oops! Sorry about using the words "governmental and authoritative."

[Horn]

I don't want your system.

Don't forget free trips to Guantanamo for any jewish osoab who will not comply, Johnzo...:)

[Horn]

usury and holding prices to curtail greed.

Would stall the drive for innovative investment and thinking.

Technology needs to have a free market to drive it, you will lose on all fronts without a way of allowing an incentive for technology. Commodity consumables is a place that you could save alot of the usury aspects and also keep the prices of that innovative investment low or not greatly rising. Usury is eliminated by law easily anyway.

Most of our usury in fiat money and inflation issues today come from speculation in commodities, and the monopolized insurance game. Insurance was a racket started by the mafia, and you can see the results of it. What and how you are able to insure is a great issue anymore.

[Johnzo]

Cebu_4_2,

appreciate you think it's worthy!

As for backbone, yes I came to this forum of my own volition, no-one asked me here, however, I am not a salesman or politician it's just ideas for a new system that I am sharing.
I am not here to argue, debate or even defend it, it either resonates with people or it doesn't.
I don't think of it as 'mine' rather it is for everyone.

All I ask is that people read it (completely) before questioning me because it is written in such a manner as to answer most questions. This is a new way of thinking so to question me in the same mindset we have currently is pointless.

This is a framework for a new system and there are certainly challenges but this is where the people can step up and be counted, to propose new ideas that work for everyone. But as I said, if you don't read it fully then we will still be arguing back and forth this time next year.

If I said to you I could save or make you at least $5,000 per year you would likely take an hour and read it. If you are content with the way the world is heading (and I'm sure you know where that is) then don't bother reading it. The irony is this system with it's abolition of usury and eventual lower taxes will likely save or leave you with more money too, but again I am not trying to sell this, it just is what it is.

If people here or anywhere can offer a better solution or add to what I propose for constructive purposes then please do, I am just tired of the systems we have and I bothered to put together something I believe is a good start.
Rather than be cynical for cynical sake can we not try and be constructive and look for a better way ahead for us all, that is all I am saying.
(These comments are not directed at you Cebu, just a generalisation).

[Johnzo]

Horn,
good point, I did not address new technologies or any new products that come to market yet. My initial thoughts are not to interfere with anything new as it needs time to find it's place in the market. Demand will drive the price. This is not about holding back innovation rather we should encourage it in every way, same as rewarding enterprise, effort and ideas, these are paramount to our success and survival.

As for my saying that we hold prices it is only to 'train' us away from the accepted idea of inflation. Without having to pay interest inflation should be zero or minimal, but greed would likely be a factor. This is a different way of thinking entirely but when we have stable prices there should not be pressure to 'inflate'.

The Organic Economy is about getting back to who we are, sharing and caring as opposed to the dog eat dog world of greed and materialism which, as we can plainly see is a train wreck waiting to happen.

[Carl]

Johnzo, how do you plan to get everyone on board with your plan and how will you handle the ones who don't want to follow your plan?

Also, can you think of any others throughout history that had grand plans for a new society that didn't turn out so well?

[Johnzo]

Carl,

as I stated in my initial post, this is mainly as a result of reading many posts from people over time on various websites that ask what can we do, voting changes nothing, a new political party will unlikely garner enough votes and if they did attain power nothing of real significance will change because of the global power of the mega corporations and central bankers.
If you read the ebook I explain how I think things may unfold. I also feel that when the 'perfect storm' happens much will be revealed about the true nature of our governments and what has been going on, how we have been deceived and ripped off. Maybe then the majority of people will demand a new way forward as opposed to rebuilding the same systems we have now.

[osoab]

I enjoyed the read. It's nice that you're thinking about a possibility of an upbeat, dare I say Utopian vision for the future. My cynical nature gets the better of me.

I'm wondering who gets to count all the online votes and who gets to be on the new non-governmental non-authoritative administrative committees? Oops! Sorry about using the words "governmental and authoritative."

Diebold

[Horn]

Diebold

The actual computing and tally of an internet congress could probably be done with better security and openess than what we have currently.

But you would still need some sort of open and elected administration to implement and direct it.

[osoab]

Credit cards will not be required as interest is abolished but the people will be issued debit/advance
cards from the nations bank.

Credit will be called Advanced money, as that is what it is, an advance from future earnings.
The nations bank will take care of all loans including mortgages and car loans and also offer lines of
credit or overdraught protection. The rationale being that the bank will do whatever it can to help the
people as the bank is of the people.

Evictions because of non-payments of mortgages and rents will be kept to zero or the barest minimum.
The bank will do everything within fairness to keep people in their homes as this is by far the better way
in the bigger picture.

Desperation and poverty can lead to crime and crime is far more expensive to society and in more ways
than helping a person in hard times keep their home plus they will eventually pay back anyway, just that
the people’s bank will be more flexible and caring.

Specially trained councillors will be on hand to help those in financial difficulty. They will help find work
and other ways to keep them from losing everything should a situation become that dire.

The days of the cold, hard nosed banking business model will be a distant memory as everyone who is
employed by the bank or any other administrative department for the country will be mandated to be of
service to the people and her country at all times first and foremost.

To see a person be made homeless will be akin to seeing a family member or friend being made
homeless, we will all do everything we can to end the cycles of poverty, homelessness and desperation
which affects us all in one way or another, often with drug and alcohol abuse and the associated crime
to pay for it.

A society rife with crime and substance abuse is a sick society but this is not the fault of those who have
made themselves wealthy by hard work, art or enterprise.

The problem is the systems we have now which do not work for the people.

The organic economy will address these issues as outlined here.

The term ‘government’ will no longer be used as will any other term such as ‘authority’, insinuating
power and control over the people. Control over the people will not be real, implied or imagined.

This also pertains to the Police who are paid to serve and protect, the term ‘force’ is not necessary and
will no longer be used.

The country and regions will be taken care of by administrators who will be highly trained and
knowledgeable regarding their duties to the people and country.

All employees of the nation will be well versed that their main obligation is always to the people who
pay their salaries and to the country.

This is from the end of page 21 and the beginning of page 22.

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[Horn]

This is from the end of page 21 and the beginning of page 22.

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All those things are already present, are you calling him a radical?

[osoab]

All those things are already present, are you calling him a radical?

Nope, a communist/socialist/collectivist in disguise.

edit to add: read the first quote in my sig line.

[Horn]

Nope, a communist/socialist/collectivist in disguise.

edit to add: read the first quote in my sig line.

That collective much is obvious,

the mistake you are making is the Representative form of Democracy, where two wolves decide over a lamb for lunch.

His is a direct democracy and not subject to such, as the individual is his own representative.

Carl (your thanker) has a predetermined notion that representatives are slave to him, yet he doesn't expect a revolt.

A republic form of constitutional right would protect the individual in such a case as direct democracy, as the representative is the individual.

It is no worse and only could be better than the representative form we have.

Thusly, henceforth, so let it be written, you have been juxtaposed and lost into abyss.

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmLEpwlXdFs

[Carl]

Yes, 51% rule the 49%, democracy, the institutionalization of a two party system, get on board least your vote don't count. Next is civil war because the 49% get tired of eating the scraps from the 51%'s table.

[Horn]

Yes, 51% rule the 49%, democracy, the institutionalization of a two party system, get on board least your vote don't count. Next is civil war because the 49% get tired of eating the scraps from the 51%'s table.

66.6%

deal with it, Satan. :)


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