I din't want to open any new post....but.........V

[Ponce]

Get a freaking LAND PATENT........ I read a lot but think more than read and everything tells me that a land patent will be very valuable in the future.......that's all that I wanted to say......I will lead but I wont push.

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[monty]

Get a freaking LAND PATENT........ I read a lot but think more than read and everything tells me that a land patent will be very valuable in the future.......that's all that I wanted to say......I will lead but I wont push. V

I couldn't agree with you more!

I have done a lot of research on Land Patents. My property sits on a patented mining claim. The mining company granted surface rights to 50 feet deep to the town who sold the lots to the residents. I suppose it is possible to patent my 50 feet? Would the procedure be the same?

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[palani]

Donna Lee posted this on Adask's website just today. I expect she wouldn't mind my cross posting it here.

Boris's method is posted elsewhere on Adasks site. I don't claim to know much about it so you will have to read for yourself.

http://adask.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/repudiate-the-national-debt/#comments


This entire mirage is just that, a mirage.

I wanted to give an update on Boris (who I recommended very highly to Alfred) and Boris’ method which I completed back in February, 2014:

One month to the day that the final UCC 3′s were filed, I received a call from a Landsman/Curative company called Veritas 321 who was working on behalf of Apache Corporation, informing me that my father had been dead for 13 years…but wait they said, there’s more: They informed me I was heir to interests in oil, gas, minerals and land in Reagan County, Texas which happens to be in the Permian Basin in the Spraberry Term (Field) which happens to be sitting on part of a proven and accessible 2.2 Trillion cubic meters? of natural gas. There’s 2 active vertical wells and they are doing a horizontal drill right now.

Turns out, my great great grandfather had purchased 640 acres of land from one who had a land patent back in 1914. 100 years ago. And I’m just now hearing about this? Why?

I believe it was because I checked the box for as extracted, but moreso that the box was checked that these filings were to be in the REAL ESTATE records.

I had heard that there were supposed to be search parties sent for us, but I believe the extent of their ‘search’ only involves checking the UCC REAL ESTATE records to see if any heir comes forth and makes their own self known. So this isn’t about them finding us, it’s about us finding ourselves and making ourself known on the record. Trust me, if you’d heard the lame stories they tried to give when asked why are they just now contacting me when my father (the heir) had been deceased for 13 years and finding he never got a penny that was rightfully his, you would know it was the UCC filings as well, without a doubt.

Veritas 321 kept telling me they were going to send me out an Affidavit of Heirship but when their mailing arrived, it contained a Form W-9 they wanted me to fill out along with a Ratification of oil, gas and mineral lease (wherein it stated in ten (10) places that I was the Owner. I queried Veritas 321 as to how one could be an heir AND an Owner at the same time. (I realized this was an attempt at major repudiation to get the heir to pay for their ‘debts’/costs. After much stuttering with no answer, Veritas 321 said they would send me an Affidavit of Heirship.

But it’s ok, I made my own, minus the Ownership terms. Along with a Notice of and Superior Claim sent registered mail to the US attorney general, United States Treasury, Texas General Land office and Reagan County Deeds and Records.

Bottom line: We all need to make ourselves known because all of us have many interests that have been concealed from us!

[Ponce]

Monty, the mining company "HAD" a patent to the mineral on the land AND NOT to the land itself.....a case like that one already went to the supreme court in Oregon........the procedure is the same.......is kind of confusing because "From the four corners of your property all the way up to heaven and all the way down to hell is all yours......but, with what you told me could be different for different reasons, again, they have a patent only to the mineral.

Should get a patent SPECIALLY if you have water.....you will be taxed for it or make you share with everyone else.
V

[monty]

Thanks Ponce! Unfortunately there is no water, but I will persue the patent anyway.

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[Ponce]

In 1930 President Hoover started the "Property Tax" that had nothing to do with the "Private Property" and that's what a Land Patent is, however, the power to be took advantage of this by telling no one about this and placing the tax on everyone....the new tax was supposed (or is) going to the Federal Reserve for the IOU's that the US would have with them from then on, a tax that was supposed to be for ever.......by the way, this property tax was repelled in 1971 or 1981 (I forgot the year) but the government didn't tell anyone about it...........the more that I read about it the more amazed that I am about the general public being so ignorant about any of this.

The day that my "Property Tax" becomes a burden for me I will stop paying it......remember that only the Supreme Court can take your private property away from you and that's something that they have NEVER done........I never sign anything that anyone sends me in regard to my property because by doing that it would mean that I acknowledge some kind of right that they might have over me.

With a land patent you own anything above and below the ground, including the air, sun, water, snow, oil, gold, worms, grass, wood, drones (oh yeah) and a lot more.........simply ignore any and all, if they take you to court all that you have to show is your original registered land patent or a notarize copy of the same,

By the way, only a federal judge has the right to preside over a land patent case but.....he cannot rule over it since this is a federal case that is in place by the highest law of the land (congress) and signed by a US president.........only ones that can make real laws is congress, any other law is only a law by the gun.

PS: If anyone here KNOWS that I am wrong then please let me know with the true facts......maybe what I have been reading is wrong.

V

[ShortJohnSilver]

Is a land patent possible in all 50 states? What about Colorado and Wyoming?

[monty]

Is a land patent possible in all 50 states? What about Colorado and Wyoming?

Yes. The original colonies owned the land so the Patents are/were issued by the States. Texas was an independent republic and owned its land so Texas issues its land patents. The rest of the States having been formed from territories held by the federal government the land patents are issued by the United States and were signed by the President. The most recent land patents issued by the United States have been signed by the Secretary of the Interior.

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[Ponce]

Every property (but for Texas) already have a land patent......all that you have to do is to bring it up to date by naming all owners of the land, from the original one up to your name...........up till now only six people have gotten their land patent thanks to me :), that out of 39 who have gotten the info that I sent to them.

V

[palani]

Is a land patent possible in all 50 states? What about Colorado and Wyoming?

Land patents are based upon an act of congress and at this point in time (to my knowledge) there is none.

The original 13 colonies/states used a system of land grant. These land grants are still good if you can locate the records to trace your land back to the original grant. Even the Indians used to grant land and minerals although these grants might be interpreted for the life of the individual named rather than being capable of hereditary rights or assignment.

[monty]

Land patents are based upon an act of congress and at this point in time (to my knowledge) there is none. The original 13 colonies/states used a system of land grant. These land grants are still good if you can locate the records to trace your land back to the original grant. Even the Indians used to grant land and minerals although these grants might be interpreted for the life of the individual named rather than being capable of hereditary rights or assignment.



My father applied for and received a Land Patent on some BLM land adjacent to his property in the mid 1970's. He understood the importance of a Land Patent like Ponce does. I don't know the act of Congress the used to file. This parcel was small, less than 5 acres. I believe the act has since been repealed. The BLM denied his original application stating their reasons on the denial. My father searched the BLM's regulations and discovered their denial was in violation of their own rules and refiled on the land. This Land Patent was signed by the Secretary of the Interior, not by the President.



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[Ponce]

The land patent follows anyone that owns the property as it was for the original owner...and it is as good as when given to the original owner.......all that you have to do is to re-file it.

V

[monty]

The land patent follows anyone that owns the property as it was for the original owner...and it is as good as when given to the original owner.......all that you have to do is to re-file it. V

And your quote, if you don't hold It . . . . . . . . . applies to your land also! With a Land Patent you hold It.

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[palani]

The land patent follows anyone that owns the property as it was for the original owner...and it is as good as when given to the original owner.......all that you have to do is to re-file it.

You make a claim under the original land patent. This is after you search all records and have a clear chain of title. Should you do a search of all the records on your property and discover a tax lien sale and subsequent deed then you don't have a clear chain of title. You have color of title instead and cannot claim any connection to the land patent. Where the chain of title is broken the heirs or assigns might come in and replevy the property from the one who claims to hold it under the tax lien deed.

[Ponce]

If they held a clean land patent then there would be no lien because the next buyer would have to right to the land, only to what is on the land and in order to take what's on the land he would need the permission of the land owner to come into the land, otherwise the land owner could arrest him for trespassing.......

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