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Ares
15th April 2014, 09:53 PM
In keeping with the tradition of the FBI’s position on gun rights, it appears the Bureau is working overdrive to monitor and harass gun owners and the gun shops that sell to them.

While government surveillance of gun purchases and gun owners is nothing new, a recent visit by an FBI Counterterrorism agent to a Columbia, South Carolina gun shop has only reinforced the knowledge that the U.S. government is growing more and more concerned by the prospect of a well-armed populace – particularly one that prefers to live without constant government interference in their personal lives.

While the narrative surrounding “counterterrorism” operations used to eviscerate civil liberties after 9/11 was initially based upon the threat of Muslim fundamentalists, that narrative has clearly shifted to a focus on gun owning, law-abiding American citizens - both those who are politically active and those who are blissfully ignorant of current events.

For many, this shift of focus has been quite the surprise. Thus, when the Columbia, South Carolina gun shop in question was approached by an FBI counterterrorism agent on Monday, April 14, the individuals who spoke with him were somewhat alarmed to realize that the agent's concern was not fundamentalist Muslims but Americans who promote small government.

According to an individual who was present during the visit (this person will remain anonymous for obvious reasons), the agent pulled up in a regular vehicle in plain clothes and took a look around the shop as if he were considering a purchase before approaching the staff and announcing that he was with the FBI Counterterrorism unit.



“Never in a million years would I have thought this guy was a fed,” said the witness. “He was in a completely normal vehicle. Regular clothes. Everything. I would have thought this guy was just some downhome country boy.”

After showing proper identification, the agent told the shop owners that he was tasked with all the gun shops in the general area and that he was charged with investigating “suspicious purchases” in accordance with counterterrorism operations.

The suspicious purchases he mentioned, however, were completely normal transactions. This included, paying with cash, purchasing long guns, and other similarly innocuous behavior.

However, what surprised the owners the most was his statement regarding what he was most interested in tracking.

According to the witness, the agent stated, “If you see some Middle Eastern guy come in. You don’t have to be so worried about that. What we’re really looking for are people talking about being sovereign such as sovereign citizens or people talking about Big Government.”

The agent also mentioned that he had a spreadsheet of all the gun shops in the area.

After this brief chat, the agent left a flyer with the shop that listed some of the more generic and normal behaviors which they were expected to view as suspicious.

Some of these trigger behaviors are:

Payment in cash or someone else’s credit card.
Reluctant or unwilling to produce valid I.D.
Large purchases or unusual inquiries into buying in bulk
Lack of knowledge involved in firearms or product usage
Hints at illegal or misuse of explosives
New or unknown customers
Nervousness or evasiveness

In the end, while the visit to a local gun shop by an FBI Counterterrorism agent is no surprise, it should serve as a stark reminder that the U.S. government is vastly concerned about a well-armed populace. Gun rights have been gradually eroded in the United States for decades but the assault on gun rights has been ratcheted up to a new level by the Obama administration.

Still, those expecting a public declaration of total gun illegality and martial law confiscation will be wringing their hands in anticipation for a very long time. Of course, while they wring their hands and anticipate the declaration of outright war against gun owners, their guns are being slowly stripped from their hands in an incremental fashion. Slight rule changes and isolated confiscations will continue to take place over time until the public has been properly acclimated to them as a fact of life, at which point the public’s line in the sand will be moved slightly forward once more. Again, the line will be crossed, but only slightly. Eventually, Americans will wake up to find themselves completely disarmed and neutered in a land in which they once believed they were free. At that point, with a completely defenseless population, the thin veneer of freedom will be lifted.

It is time for gun owners and gun rights activists to go on the political offensive. In 2014, it is no longer a legitimate mode of activism to be content to defend your already attenuated freedoms. It is time to make demands. It is time to throw compromise out the window.


http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/fbi-visiting-gun-shops-to-investigate.html

midnight rambler
15th April 2014, 10:13 PM
Someone I know who formerly had a Class 3 license and a storefront would give this stock response if asked (as should every gun shop owner/manager), i.e. laugh and say, "It'd be so much easier to give you the handful of names of those who DON'T talk about 'big government' when they come in here hahahaha."

Twisted Titan
16th April 2014, 12:56 AM
It is time for gun owners and gun rights activists to go on the political offensive.


Its is time for gun owners and gun right activists to go on the TACTICAL offensive.

vacuum
16th April 2014, 12:58 AM
After showing proper identification, the agent told the shop owners that he was tasked with all the gun shops in the general area and that he was charged with investigating “suspicious purchases” in accordance with counterterrorism operations.

What is his name? Where does he live? The public has a right to know. The guy is there collecting names, why don't we know his?

gunny highway
16th April 2014, 07:16 AM
this hits a little too close to home. i wish they'd mentioned the name of the gun shop, i've probably been there. and i can attest that it would be easier to give them a list of those people who don't talk about big government, as opposed to those who do.

Buddha
16th April 2014, 01:56 PM
Ehh I sold my guns, to a friend when on hard times, now it seems as though I might not get a chance to get another again. Everytime I'm at Wallyworld (I know I know) I check the ammo case, and there is NOTHING, hasn't been for awhile, no 9mm no .40 or .45. hunting rounds and that's about it. Last time I was at the local gun shop there WAS a guy there looked normal... too normal just walking around/looking around. Well I was really considering making a purchase and I was with an employee handling the pistols I was interested in, this guy never took his eyes off of me, I'm holding Glocks, Sprinfields, S&W's. Beretta's, etc, guy is trying to act like he's not watching, but everytime I looked at him, he would be looking at me and would divert his eyes quickly.

Before I left,(without buying anything) I picked up a Mosin Nagent that they had out on racks in the store, racked the slide thing and pointed it right at him, LOL. He just looked at me, like "This fucking guy, what is he doing?" lol


What is his name? Where does he live? The public has a right to know. The guy is there collecting names, why don't we know his?

I've always felt strongly this way, even at job interview/applications. They want 3 refernces, addresses, phone numbers, place of employment (I never give them an address) They want an emergency contact, address, phone #.

What's your fucking phone number and address, list me 3 people you know and there address and phone number. Also for an emergency contact give me your mother/wifes fucking home address and #, it's only fair.

mick silver
16th April 2014, 02:00 PM
i also know a shop they come in , been there seen the show you know who the fuck he is just be the way he talks and carry his self ...
this hits a little too close to home. i wish they'd mentioned the name of the gun shop, i've probably been there. and i can attest that it would be easier to give them a list of those people who don't talk about big government, as opposed to those who do.

Hitch
16th April 2014, 06:59 PM
I talked to a few FBI agents a couple months back. One was ex military, all of them pro gun rights actually. One even said he'd never turn over his AR-15 he had. These guys were bank robbery guys though, there's lot's of agents assigned to different areas.

Dachsie
17th April 2014, 09:42 AM
Speaking of the Feds going to gun shops and intimidation tactics, I remember Col. Craig Roberts on Alex Jones show in 2011 did a great in-depth description of what was really going on about Fast and Furious but other issues in general. Roberts has written many wonderful books including the Medusa File. I was ablsolutely astounded at the rotten criminal behavior of the BATF people.

I took some notes on that show and did a partial transcript. You may be able to find the audio somewhere since I have the show date.

Here they are...



Col. Craig Roberts

Partial transcript
Tuesday, June 28, 2011
Hour 2, midpoint in hour

America is under siege

Turn us into globalist socialist society

We are ripe for the picking

All our troops in countries all over the world but not at home

Debt is power Rothschilds

Pit one country against another and then finance both sides for their war with each other. Control the world’s assets food water air oil, the weather,

Redistribute the wealth of first world countries assets and resources
Open the borders

Take from rich

Give to poor all that communist stuff

Everybody on same plane – except the rulers, the mega rich

Must disarm the entire population especially the peasants

1968 Gun Control Act

Brady Bill

Regulate us through emergencies guns to Mexico

Good atf guys went public

ATF lied to congress

Buying hundreds of guns

You’ve got people going in to U.S. gun dealer buying hundreds of guns and the gun dealer is screaming “hey, this is not right. I shouldn’t do this and the ATF person is there saying “no, this is OK. Go ahead and do this. We’re in charge. Everything is OK.”

So the ATF is telling a private business to violate the law and become criminals themselves and be felons by violating federal law. They’re not on the federal payroll. They’re not law enforcement officers. They’re not obligated to do this and when they do it they are putting themselves in jeopardy so if they say “no” the ATF turns around and says to them “We’ll file charges on you for what you already did in the past.

It’s a Whitey Bolger tactic

The government is becoming MAFIA

54:25


AJ
The fed gov started beating the drum and said it is our guns are causing the Mexican crises.
They lie and say it is our guns.

The criminal ATF set this whole scheme up.

To frame the Second Amendment

Now the ATF has been caught doing this.

Roberts

Absolutely this is seditious behavior againsT the public.

When you go out and purposely violate the law, violate your own laws, where does it stop? You can’t do that. You can’t have

There was no way to track these guns. What they were doing was they were making sure that hundreds if not thousands of guns were ending up south of the border that could be traced back here so that when they did end up in crimes on our side of the border, we could say “Look, these came from American gun shops, because they knew that if they didn’t supply the guns that got down there, that the guns they did find would have come from, you know, Columbia, Panama, Costa Rica, Guatamala, El Salvadore, Germany…

Just one Mexican drug cartel has several planes that can trade their drugs in Russia for Kolochnakovs, M16s, fully automatics They can get all they want of guns and munitions from those foreign countries.

These Mexican durg cartels don’t need some piddly gun shop in Tucson Arizona to sell them guns.

Our government has people in it who say “Oh, wait a minute. We can’t have that. We gotta have our guns end up in the hands of the narco-terrorists

Create the problem so we can have a solution.

Here is Hour 3 beginning transcription

Project Gun Runner

The ATF had cameras installed in the gun shops.

Every one of these people in this chain of command not only thought this up, but implemented it, and I’m not just talkin about the field agents that were told to do it. I’m talkin about the brass NEEDS TO GO TO PRISON. It’s as simple as that. They broke the law intentionally and they did it for some very terrible evil purposes and that was to subjugate the Constitution, pure and simple. I mean, let’s just get to the point here. And every one of them needs to go to trial and they need to go to federal penitentiary because if they don’t, no one in the world can be guilty of a crime again, period, in this country. That’s just the way it is. If they skate, everybody skates. They might as well just open up all the prisons and let everybody out. There is no such thing as someone who is immune from the law just because of their position or who they work for/ We got police officers that go to jail all the time, we got politicians that sometimes go to jail.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jul/6/atf-chief-says-higher-ups-blocked-replies-congress/#disqus_thread
I posted a comment on this 7-7-11 and also posted story on GovernAmerica.con

Fast and Furious was such a scheme to make it look like the majority of the guns in the drug wars in Mexico came from the U.S. Therefore to build public support to disarm the country and dismantle the second amendment in transition to global governance.


• What is needed is sworn testimony being given by those involved in this felony stupidity of giving guns to the Narcotic Criminals of Mexico and the United States which have already been used in homicides and other crimes.


o coffee4closers
Rep Issa has the stones...GUARANTEED. Regarding the Coward Holder, this is a bonafide gun-hater; dating back to the Slickster's 1993 Constitution-bending assault on innocent men, women, and CHILDREN at Waco, Tx. Do not, for one minute, believe that this Orwellian Regime sought to "track weapons into Mexico"; it was an attack on the Second Amendment...It's in their tyrannical DNA...


o
WastingtonDC:
The abamination will take any back door to gun control, to eliminate the largest armed force in the world, US citizen gun owners. England learned about attempting the destruction of a store of our privately held arms and ammunition, at a bridge near Concord. At least the English tried to come in the front door. Any competent Congressional investigation will point out the abamination's dirty hands deep in this scam. The abaminauts manufactured this incident to get gun control leverage, without paying a far higher price in 2012, than the whipping we gave them in the last election. Now, caught red handed, with their old European socialist hands jammed deeply in the gun control "cookie jar" their victims among the BATF, FBI, and other agencies involved, are being savaged, reassigned, hammered into silence, to avoid the 2012 land slide defeat that will automatically follow any plain revelation of their deliberate effort to abolish American gun rights, using a manufactured border crisis. Remember, Rotten Rham is gone, but his approach, "Never let a crisis go to waste", even if you have to create it first, will not end until November, 2012. It was not about a BATF sting, it was about getting leverage to end all US taxpayers' rights to keep and bear arms, using Mexican and UN arms limitation demands. It is all about the old European socialist approaches that the present mis-administration is committed to force us to accept. Wake up America!


o soccerphotographer
When has "Is that even legal?" been a concern of this Administration?
- Investigate voter intimidation by minorities? Nope.
- File suit against a state for enforcing immigration laws? Why not.
- Sell guns to gun-runners, drug runners and known straw purchasers? Sure thing.
- Ignore a Congressionally imposed debt ceiling? You bet!
- Pass mandatory healthcare, with your mouthpiece stating "You have to pass the legislation to know what's in it.". Wouldn't have it any other way.
- Nominate a Supreme Court Judge who helped craft a legal defense for the healthcare plan (and who denied having had any direct involvement in it during her hearings)...Of course!
- Support a close friend as he ran for mayor of your hometown -- despite not having fulfilled the required 'residential homestead'. Anything for a friend!
- Engage our military in a conflict without Congressional Approval? Why not!?!

old steel
17th April 2014, 11:35 AM
The many headed Hydra.

horseshoe3
17th April 2014, 11:56 AM
The suspicious purchases he mentioned, however, were completely normal transactions. This included, paying with cash, purchasing long guns, and other similarly innocuous behavior.

Remember 15-20 years ago when handguns were their big target? Seems they've figured out that free men defending their homes prefer long guns. For the last 4 years or so, they have been attacking rifles non-stop.