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Ares
3rd May 2014, 08:40 AM
The attempt to lever Kiev into the western camp by ousting an elected leader made conflict certain. It could be a threat to us all

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'The reality is that after two decades of Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit … ' Illustration: Matt Kenyon

The threat of war in Ukraine is growing. As the unelected government in Kiev declares itself unable to control the rebellion in the country's east, John Kerry brands Russia a rogue state. The US and the European Union step up sanctions against the Kremlin, accusing it of destabilising Ukraine. The White House is reported to be set on a new cold war policy with the aim of turning Russia into a "pariah state".

That might be more explicable if what is going on in eastern Ukraine now were not the mirror image of what took place in Kiev a couple of months ago. Then, it was armed protesters in Maidan Square seizing government buildings and demanding a change of government and constitution. US and European leaders championed the "masked militants" and denounced the elected government for its crackdown, just as they now back the unelected government's use of force against rebels occupying police stations and town halls in cities such as Slavyansk and Donetsk.

"America is with you," Senator John McCain told demonstrators then, standing shoulder to shoulder with the leader of the far-right Svoboda party as the US ambassador haggled with the state department over who would make up the new Ukrainian government.

When the Ukrainian president was replaced by a US-selected administration, in an entirely unconstitutional takeover, politicians such as William Hague brazenly misled parliament about the legality of what had taken place: the imposition of a pro-western government on Russia's most neuralgic and politically divided neighbour.

Putin bit back, taking a leaf out of the US street-protest playbook – even though, as in Kiev, the protests that spread from Crimea to eastern Ukraine evidently have mass support. But what had been a glorious cry for freedom in Kiev became infiltration and insatiable aggression in Sevastopol and Luhansk.

After Crimeans voted overwhelmingly to join Russia, the bulk of the western media abandoned any hint of even-handed coverage. So Putin is now routinely compared to Hitler, while the role of the fascistic right on the streets and in the new Ukrainian regime has been airbrushed out of most reporting as Putinist propaganda.

So you don't hear much about the Ukrainian government's veneration of wartime Nazi collaborators and pogromists, or the arson attacks on the homes and offices of elected communist leaders, or the integration of the extreme Right Sector into the national guard, while the anti-semitism and white supremacism of the government's ultra-nationalists is assiduously played down, and false identifications of Russian special forces are relayed as fact.

The reality is that, after two decades of eastward Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit and defence structure, via an explicitly anti-Moscow EU association agreement. Its rejection led to the Maidan protests and the installation of an anti-Russian administration – rejected by half the country – that went on to sign the EU and International Monetary Fund agreements regardless.

No Russian government could have acquiesced in such a threat from territory that was at the heart of both Russia and the Soviet Union. Putin's absorption of Crimea and support for the rebellion in eastern Ukraine is clearly defensive, and the red line now drawn: the east of Ukraine, at least, is not going to be swallowed up by Nato or the EU.

But the dangers are also multiplying. Ukraine has shown itself to be barely a functioning state: the former government was unable to clear Maidan, and the western-backed regime is "helpless" against the protests in the Soviet-nostalgic industrial east. For all the talk about the paramilitary "green men" (who turn out to be overwhelmingly Ukrainian), the rebellion also has strong social and democratic demands: who would argue against a referendum on autonomy and elected governors?

Meanwhile, the US and its European allies impose sanctions and dictate terms to Russia and its proteges in Kiev, encouraging the military crackdown on protesters after visits from Joe Biden and the CIA director, John Brennan. But by what right is the US involved at all, incorporating under its strategic umbrella a state that has never been a member of Nato, and whose last elected government came to power on a platform of explicit neutrality? It has none, of course – which is why the Ukraine crisis is seen in such a different light across most of the world. There may be few global takers for Putin's oligarchic conservatism and nationalism, but Russia's counterweight to US imperial expansion is welcomed, from China to Brazil.

In fact, one outcome of the crisis is likely to be a closer alliance between China and Russia, as the US continues its anti-Chinese "pivot" to Asia. And despite growing violence, the cost in lives of Russia's arms-length involvement in Ukraine has so far been minimal compared with any significant western intervention you care to think of for decades.

The risk of civil war is nevertheless growing, and with it the chances of outside powers being drawn into the conflict. Barack Obama has already sent token forces to eastern Europe and is under pressure, both from Republicans and Nato hawks such as Poland, to send many more. Both US and British troops are due to take part in Nato military exercises in Ukraine this summer.

The US and EU have already overplayed their hand in Ukraine. Neither Russia nor the western powers may want to intervene directly, and the Ukrainian prime minister's conjuring up of a third world war presumably isn't authorised by his Washington sponsors. But a century after 1914, the risk of unintended consequences should be obvious enough – as the threat of a return of big-power conflict grows. Pressure for a negotiated end to the crisis is essential.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/apr/30/russia-ukraine-war-kiev-conflict

Hatha Sunahara
3rd May 2014, 08:58 AM
The people who own all the money and control politics (TPTB). Obama calls Russia a 'regional power' to distinguish it from the US which he believes is the only 'global power'. So, the US allows itself to destabilize any country not in its sphere of influence, and install its own puppet regime to put that country in the US sphere of influence and undermine the regional power's sphere of influence. They did that to Libya, and to numerous other countries with 'color revolutions'. They tried to do it to Iran unsuccessfully. They are doing it to Syria. They keep trying to destabilize Russia itself by funding opposition to Putin. The US does not respect any sphere of influence other than its own. My guess is it will continue on this path until either a war breaks out, or the dollar becomes worthless. We are getting closer to both events every day.


Hatha

old steel
3rd May 2014, 12:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWTBxVwrT8


Su-25 Frogfoots, Su-27 Flankers, MiG-29 Fulcrums and Tu-95 Bears and if i'm not mistaken a Tu 22, midnight rambler would know and if so they are activating aircraft they have not used in awhile.

Way to go asshole Zionist bitches you just woke up the Russian bear.

Oh and fuck you!

Ponce
3rd May 2014, 12:39 PM
I don't get it.........NATO.......means North Atlantic Treaty Organization ............ so, what the hell are they doing in the other side of the world?........acting as the strong arm for the US?

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gunDriller
3rd May 2014, 12:59 PM
We are getting closer to both events every day.Hatha


Reminds me of the Star Wars movie, when Qui Gon Jin tries to buy the jet engine from the flying junkman.

the junkman says, "Republic credits are no good out here. We need something more real."


at this point, the US gov. is doing a fairly realistic impression of the Empire and Darth Sidious, except all actors are human (sort of).

old steel
3rd May 2014, 01:06 PM
All wars are Jewish banker wars, Gutle Schnaper Rothschild said so.

The IMF wants to suck the blood out of the Ukraine. Putin says no.

When the war begins it will start with the destruction of Command and Control with cruise missiles right in the heart of Kiev. By Summer the Ukraine will be split right down the middle at the Dnieper river. Gas and Oil will be cut off to Europe and Russia/China will dump the US dollar and bonds and you will be lucky to buy beans and rice.

Or of course Putin could be the humanitarian, deliver a nuke to Tel Aviv and spare the rest of us WW3.

old steel
3rd May 2014, 08:19 PM
"We Are Essentially At War" Ukraine Admits, After Dozens Killed



While there may be some confusion about why massive bond buying greeted yesterday's "better than expected" loss of 209 jobs in the 25-54 age group (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-02/workers-aged-25-54-lost-209k-jobs-april), dragging stocks down, the answer is actually very simple: there is a war in the Ukraine.
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A war which just took a turn for the worst after at least 42 people were killed according to Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/03/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA400LI20140503)in street battles between supporters and opponents of Russia in southern Ukraine that ended with dozens of pro-Russian protesters incinerated in a burning building. The riot in the Black Sea port of Odessa, ending in a deadly blaze in a besieged trade union building, was by far the worst incident in Ukraine since a February uprising that ended with a pro-Russian president fleeing the country.
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The clip below, not for the faint of heart, shows anti-government protesters jumping from the burning Odessa trade unions house: it appears when Yanukovich was "killing" protesters in February, the west couldn't get up in arms fast enough screaming for the former president's overthrow. But now that the acting post-CIA funded coup government is doing the same thing to its own protesters, the radio silence is stunning.

But while yesterday's tragic events in Odessa were the first time the Ukraine conflict manifested itself in pro and anti-Russian clashes in the Black Sea town, it will hardly be the last: not only does the port city have economic and military significance, it also sits between Crimea and pro-Russian areas in eastern Ukraine and the breakaway Transnistria region of neighboring Moldova.
The admission of the true state of affairs finally came from Kiev itself (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-02/dozens-killed-in-ukraine-fire-as-clashes-erupt-in-odessa.html) which said that Ukrainian forces pressed their assault on separatists today, freeing up a regional airport as the head of the country’s anti-terrorist center warned eastern regions are “essentially” at war.
The campaign in the Donetsk region left five dead from the Ukrainian anti-terrorist operation and 12 wounded, said the center’s chief, Vasyl Krutov, at a Kiev briefing, even as military observers were freed by anti-Kiev militants. Government forces have secured the town of Slovyansk as operations in Kramatorsk continue.
“What is happening in the east is not a short-term action, this is essentially a war,” Krutov said today.
War it is:



Open clashes are sweeping Ukraine’s east, from Donetsk near the Russian border to Odessa, about 100 miles from the European Union’s southeastern frontier in Romania, amid signs the industrial and coastal regions are slipping out of the Kiev government’s control. The U.S. and the European Union accuse Russia of being behind the unrest, while Russian President Vladimir Putin is “extremely concerned” and is studying the situation, his spokesman Dmitry Peskov, said today.
There was some good news: military observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe who were taken hostage a week ago were freed and will be delivered to the Council of Europe in Slovyansk near Donetsk, the council said today in a statement.
Bloomberg reports further that the U.S. and EU accuse Russia of stirring unrest to undermine Ukraine’s May 25 presidential election. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said at a briefing today in Jezioro, Poland, that officials are “losing hope” about a diplomatic solution to end the crisis.
“This is a war of maybe a different kind, it is a war that’s undeclared,” Tusk was quoted as saying by PAP newswire at a media briefing. “But what we’re really dealing with is de-facto a war. You can clearly see that actions taken by the international community haven’t brought results.”
To be sure, Ukraine and NATO is putting all the blame on Russia - not only for instigating the conflict but arming the separatists, seemingly oblivious of factual evidence that it was the US that was doing precisely the same (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-06/fuck-eu-us-state-department-blasts-europe-revealed-alleged-mastermind-behind-ukraine)just over three months ago when it was orchestarting the overthrow of the then government.



Ukraine’s Defense Ministry said the use of advanced weapons showed the separatists were “professional saboteur groups” rather than peaceful protesters. In a statement, it called their tactics “characteristic of foreign military or mercenaries.”

Turmoil erupted yesterday in Odessa, where more than 130 people had been detained by police, with 10 criminal cases already started, according to Petro Lutsyuk, the head of the Interior Ministry’s directorate in the city, said on the agency’s website. The Interior Ministry later said on its website that Lutsyuk was fired.

The nearby city of Nikolaev hosts much of the country’s defense and shipbuilding industry, as well as Zorya-Mashproekt, a state enterprise that manufactures gas turbines for OAO Gazprom (GAZP), the Russian natural gas producer and exporter.
Meanwhile, the theater by western leaders hit a new peak yesterday when Obama and Merkel did all they could: threaten more sanctions. At their news conference in Washington, Obama and Merkel said Russia must pull back support for the separatists so Ukraine’s May 25 presidential election can go ahead unimpeded. If the vote can’t be held, “we will not have a choice but to move forward” with more sanctions, Obama said. Merkel called the election “crucial” and said she’s ready to support economic sanctions if needed.
Ironically, it is German commercial interests which as we said back in March, are doing all they can to prevent sanctions of Russia as they know well they would be the biggest losers. Germany is Europe’s largest economy and had $127 billion in trade with Russia in 2013, according to the International Monetary Fund, making Germany is Russia’s second-biggest trading partner. Putin has threatened to escalate economic warfare if further sanctions are imposed.
“When we will reach a particular tipping point is very hard to say in advance,” Merkel said. “But all I can say is that the elections on May 25 are a decisive juncture for me and if there is further destabilization, things will get more and more difficult.”
Expect more furious bluster out of Germany and Obama, hoping that verbal escalation will finally cause Putin to pull back. It won't. Meanwhile Putin is keeping quiet. Which is the second good news because as we showed yesterday, all Putin has to do is give the command.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-03/we-are-essentially-war-ukraine-admits-after-dozens-killed

midnight rambler
3rd May 2014, 09:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhWTBxVwrT8


Su-25 Frogfoots, Su-27 Flankers, MiG-29 Fulcrums and Tu-95 Bears and if i'm not mistaken a Tu 22, midnight rambler would know and if so they are activating aircraft they have not used in awhile.

Way to go asshole Zionist bitches you just woke up the Russian bear.

Oh and fuck you!

The bomber at 2:42 appears to be a Tu-160. The Tu-22 was retired in '98.

old steel
3rd May 2014, 09:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQYIhwFtsUE

PatColo
8th May 2014, 08:15 AM
3 hrs of Russia/Ukraine guests on Rense last night. I'll listen to the last 2 anyways; Tarpley's never done much for me.

Mike King of tomatobubble.com is pimping a new for sale article, you can click his name below for the tease. I haven't listened yet but safe bet Putin is the main topic. About 42 mins ea:

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Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/85k3o04zoa/Rense.20140507.2of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/85k3o04zoa/Rense.20140507.2of3.mp3) Hour 2 - Mike King (http://tomatobubble.com/putin_book.html) - The Talented Mr Putin

Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/aco9dibicw/Rense.20140507.3of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/aco9dibicw/Rense.20140507.3of3.mp3) Hour 3 - (http://www.jimmarrs.com/)Preston James (http://www.veteranstoday.com/) - Zionist West Ukraine Coup