Cop kills entire family, then a bunch of kids at school, then.....

[Hitch]

Can we please stop all these Bad Cop threads?!?

Jesus Christ. We get it! Talk about beating a dead horse. This is a Gold/Silver forum. Maybe we should change the name. gold-silver-bashcops.us.

For fuck's sake...

[midnight rambler]

It's the reality/nightmare of the collectivist police state we find ourselves living in, and the truth is it's getting worse with each passing day. Get over it.

BTW, the title you put on this thread is really NOT that farfetched - such an occurrence wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[Hitch]

It's the reality/nightmare of the collectivist police state we find ourselves living in. Get over it.

BTW, the title you put on this thread is really NOT that farfetched - such an occurrence wouldn't surprise me in the least.

All I know, is that I never get hassled by the police. They always smile and wave. But then again, I live in a small town now.

My point, is that you seem to have an agenda that isn't based upon the truth. The fact is, most cops, are good people trying their best to navigate through a seemingly unjust system.

I'm getting tired of making posts on this forum trying to shed some light on that. I've posted many times about being sworn to uphold the constitution. Many times on search and seizure law. Many times on the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law. None of those posts get address at all. Yet every cop shoots dog thread gets massive stroking and re-enforcement.

Folks pushing their agenda. No truth is actively seeked any more. You just want to justify your views, that's it.

[Cebu_4_2]

Wham Pete, man you are on the rong side of the fence defending your PIG brothers. I can't post more in 1 post but if I was willing to it would envelope thing whole GSUS site:

I will start:


http://youtu.be/vs8a5bxfgfo


http://youtu.be/Hn6FnvOu6Q8
http://youtu.be/KTzGtPdyeFI

[Cebu_4_2]

This GSUS will limit to 3 per post, I dont want to make a scene but you are fucking retarded or nuts to not see it... I think Retarded tho. Here is what got deleted in my post Pete:

See for yourself you retched PIG: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=cops%20kill%20children

Everywhere you go you are the demon and hated, from parking lot police to the scum that you are, you are demons that need to be exterminated. Ban me for isolating you? I don't thing so. Anything and everything I have said about you has been public info by yourself bitch. Want the vidio to your name Peter Thompson? I hate PIGS and could never finish a cup of coffee with them. You guys and girls are a rare breed of FUCK.

Want to call me out? Want to come here and play thumb twisters? Never make it 250 feet from my house bitch. I have a ledge where the garbage goes, quite deep too. Swallowed up be the mountains you could say.

Bring it PIG MAN.

[Ponce]

OK Hitch, and we won't say anything about the Zionist or Obama or the killing of the Palestinians, not that anyone here cares a damn about this, or even about Ponce being such a nice guy.........uffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff

By the way, there are no longer any cops in my town, once in a while you see a state cop driving by and that's it.

V

[Hitch]

Wham Pete, man you are on the rong side of the fence defending your PIG brothers. I can't post more in 1 post but if I was willing to it would envelope thing whole GSUS site:

And I can post a ton of videos of cops helping folks as well...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1m7ceBmMoY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83r3-9vIQ-s

[midnight rambler]

My point, is that you seem to have an agenda that isn't based upon the truth. The fact is, most cops, are good people trying their best to navigate through a seemingly unjust system.


No, the truth is that virtually every cop out there is an enabler for thugs with badges 'cause if they don't go along to get along with a wink and a nod, or at the very least turning a blind eye whenever one of their associates fucks over a lowly 'civilian' (usually on a wholesale basis) they will be ostracized/shunned to the point of quitting (or come to their senses like my good friend did when he realized he could no longer be an enabler condoning bad behavior). My impression is that MOST cops are unable to work at an honest job and/or they're control freaks and/or bullies and/or sadists of some sort.

I really don't think you've been paying attention - or perhaps it's that 'blind eye' you're suffering from. lol

ETA: That shooting of the unarmed woman with the baby in her car in D.C. last year is the new, revised standard for thug with badge behavior, coming soon to your city or town.

[Hitch]

Want to call me out? Want to come here and play thumb twisters? Never make it 250 feet from my house bitch. I have a ledge where the garbage goes, quite deep too. Swallowed up be the mountains you could say.

Bring it PIG MAN.

No thanks. This forum is turning into a circle jerk. While you jerk off midnight rambler, he jerks off the next guy, and the whole time you thump your chest like a bad-ass who hates cops.

Hey, whatever floats YOUR boat. If you ever get interested in the truth, maybe we can have a civil conversation.

[Ponce]

Hitch is a FUCKING PIG? now our site has gone all to hell........shit, is bad enough to have them in real world without having then among us.......probably a fucking Zionist pig.......this really has made my day.

V

[Hitch]

Hitch is a FUCKING PIG? now our site has gone all to hell........shit, is bad enough to have them in real world without having then among us.......probably a fucking Zionist pig.......this really has made my day.

V

Ponce, relax. I'm not a cop. I just think we should be spreading some truths not painting an agenda, that's all.

[Ponce]

Hey Hitch? are you on paid leave right now for killing someone? or hitting the shit of an old man? you should not be here but doing community work. Be decent enough to take off and not coming back......what are your going to do WTSHTF? there will be many paybacks and nowhere for you to hide.

V

[Hatha Sunahara]

The cops are trained like the army. More like the Marines. And the marines don't fight for their country--they fight for their buddies. Loyal to the Corps. Semper Fi. And the enemy is us, the people who aren't cops, who aren't above them in the chain of obedience. They are protecting the people who issue the orders. The people who issue their orders are aware how much they are despised by the general population. The cops, whether they know it or not are on the front lines of a class war that is heating up daily. They really don't see it that way. They see it as a guaranteed paycheck as long as they obey orders and earn the praise of their bosses, their careers are safe. Their bosses allow them to break the law in order to protect them.

There is no question that the cops see themselves as good hard working people doing a shitty job. They aren't allowed to think outside the box. They will though once they sense that their lives are in danger.


Hatha

[Hitch]

The cops are trained like the army. More like the Marines. And the marines don't fight for their country--they fight for their buddies. Loyal to the Corps. Semper Fi. And the enemy is us, the people who aren't cops, who aren't above them in the chain of obedience. They are protecting the people who issue the orders. The people who issue their orders are aware how much they are despised by the general population. The cops, whether they know it or not are on the front lines of a class war that is heating up daily. They really don't see it that way. They see it as a guaranteed paycheck as long as they obey orders and earn the praise of their bosses, their careers are safe. Their bosses allow them to break the law in order to protect them.

There is no question that the cops see themselves as good hard working people doing a shitty job. They aren't allowed to think outside the box. They will though once they sense that their lives are in danger.


Hatha

Hatha, but the orders are written. The Constitution. That is what is sworn to be upheld. To my opinion, it mostly is. You can have the shittiest bosses, but when you have such concrete 'orders' that trumps all.

I would like to know your thoughts on that, honestly. Take your post above, and integrate how the Constitution, in your viewpoint, applies.

[osoab]

Hatha, but the orders are written. The Constitution. That is what is sworn to be upheld. To my opinion, it mostly is. You can have the shittiest bosses, but when you have such concrete 'orders' that trumps all.

I would like to know your thoughts on that, honestly. Take your post above, and integrate how the Constitution, in your viewpoint, applies.

They ain't following the constitution.

[Ares]

Hatha, but the orders are written. The Constitution. That is what is sworn to be upheld. To my opinion, it mostly is. You can have the shittiest bosses, but when you have such concrete 'orders' that trumps all.

I would like to know your thoughts on that, honestly. Take your post above, and integrate how the Constitution, in your viewpoint, applies.

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

No where in the Constitution is it authorized for Police. ANYWHERE. Police were ONLY created after counties, cities and states started incorporating. Why is that? TO SECURE REVENUE for bonds the counties / cities, states float for bullshit projects. That's IT. The only LAWFUL authority authorized by the Constitution is the Sheriff. He or She is also the only law enforcement officer who is only accountable to the people who elected him or her.

Police are not needed and do far more harm than good. FUCK THE POLICE, worthless parasite protecting bastards.. You can worship the boot that is on your throat. I'll choose to spit in their faces.

[Hitch]

BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!

No where in the Constitution is it authorized for Police. ANYWHERE. Police were ONLY created after counties, cities and states started incorporating. Why is that? TO SECURE REVENUE for bonds the counties / cities, states float for bullshit projects. That's IT. The only LAWFUL authority authorized by the Constitution is the Sheriff. He or She is also the only law enforcement officer who is only accountable to the people who elected him or her.

Police are not needed and do far more harm than good. FUCK THE POLICE, worthless parasite protecting bastards.. You can worship the boot that is on your throat. I'll choose to spit in their faces.

Cops swear an oath to ALWAYS UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. If they don't, there needs to be a checks and balances system on that.

I've posted this before, and I'll post it again. Internal affairs, which investigates cops behavior, should not be internal. Cops should not be investigating other cops. It should be external. External affairs, where a third party of regular folks can make a decision, like a jury.

[Ares]

Cops swear an oath to ALWAYS UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. If they don't, there needs to be a checks and balances system on that.

Which you cannot have with Police. The judges and legal system protect them. How can you charge a cop for a murder of a civilian if a Prosecutors husband works in the same police department and refuses to press charges? That oath doesn't mean shit to them. It's very apparent by the waste, corruption, and flagrant disregard to the people who they supposedly are there to protect. Supreme court has ruled Police can lie to you, yet if you lie to them you can be charged for it. The system is rigged in their favor, another check on their power won't make a bit of difference.


I've posted this before, and I'll post it again. Internal affairs, which investigates cops behavior, should not be internal. Cops should not be investigating other cops. It should be external. External affairs, where a third party of regular folks can make a decision, like a jury.

I say disband police departments all together and privatize it with private security. Make the barrier of entry extremely low to keep competition for clients and client satisfaction high. You can't have law enforcement supplied and supported by the state. You get what we have and the world over has. Police unaccountable to anyone, corruption swept under the rug and prosecutors failing to bring up charges.

And I'll say it again, Police are not needed, not wanted, and are just revenue enforcement agents for the parasite class. That's it. When the bullets start flying they'll be the first pussies to cry foul when they are out numbered and out gunned.

[Hitch]

Private security does not, and will not work. It has been tried before, and lead to even worse corruption than what we have now. What about folks who can not afford to "pay" their extortion fees?

The fire department. New York, use to be private many years ago. In fact, if you paid your dues, you would get a placard to hang on your front door. If there is a fire, and you have the placard, the fire dept put the fire out. If you did not have a placard, well, they would watch your house burn, then go in afterwards and loot it.

Private, corporate ideas are not solutions. Would you let a bunch of fat cat bankers in charge of your constitutional rights? I sure hope not.

[Hatha Sunahara]

How many cops think about the constitution? The constitution, in the Bill of Rights, prohibits the government from doing a whole lot of things that tyrants do to their people. And when the cops' bosses tell them to do these things that the constitution tells the government it is out if its reach, how many cops question their orders? When the politicians set up 'Free Speech Zones' the cops enforce them. When the constitution says they need a warrant to search, how many cops ignore that? If the government passes a law prohibiting people from owning firearms, how many cops will enforce that law? Like GW Bush said, the constitution is 'just a ****** piece of paper.' The real law is 'whatever you can get away with.' That is the law the cops enforce.

If you're a cop, and you think the orders you are given violate the constitution, how long do you think you'll be a cop if you speak up about it? Most of us are taught to conform and obey. And to keep our mouths shut if we disagree with people in power. Cops have advanced degrees in conformity and obedience--and it is not to the laws--but to their superiors. We truly have a government not of laws, but of men, and evil ones at that--and that evil touches us all because of the obedience of the cops to those men, and not to the laws. The reason they are called Police is because they enforce policies--which are the will of their bosses. As long as their bosses are not bound by the constitution the cops won't be either. Their bosses include all branches of government--executive, legislative, and judiciary. Don't the cops hold the judges up as gods? Even the corrupt judges? We are not a nation of laws. The rule of law is a joke because the laws protect only the privileged. This is what I meant by the cops being on the front lines of a class war that heats up daily. The only thing that preserves the status quo is, as the Protocols of Zion says, 'make believe and force'. The constitution is a relic from a less corrupt time in our past. We lost it when we allowed our institutions and ourselves to be corrupted.


Hatha

[Hitch]

Thanks Hatha. I'll probably read your post several times and still keep finding nuggets of truth, within. Posts like yours, make this forum great, imo. Thank you.

[Ares]

Private security does not, and will not work. It has been tried before, and lead to even worse corruption than what we have now. What about folks who can not afford to "pay" their extortion fees?

That's funny, calling a private business an extortion fee yet praise police... Fucking ridiculous. It's fucking EXTORTION when the state forces you to pay for a service you do not use, and then turns around and uses those jack booted thugs to abuse, extort, and rob you. But call it "law".. :rolleyes: You've got a pretty sick sense of what is and what is not extortion...


The fire department. New York, use to be private many years ago. In fact, if you paid your dues, you would get a placard to hang on your front door. If there is a fire, and you have the placard, the fire dept put the fire out. If you did not have a placard, well, they would watch your house burn, then go in afterwards and loot it.

It's called insurance, it's required to have while you have a mortgage anyway. The fire department, and private security could be rolled into the insurance.. You pick the fire department, and private security based on location and reviews from current subscribers and cost. None of this EXTORTION at the hands of the state to FORCE you to pay for people to abuse you. The example you gave was out dated. Where I'm from there are also VOLUNTEER fire fighters who also risk their life more so than a pig in a state actors costume with a tin badge and do it for FREE. But that's a different argument.


Private, corporate ideas are not solutions. Would you let a bunch of fat cat bankers in charge of your constitutional rights? I sure hope not.

Are you sure you're on the right forum hitch? You strike me as someone who would be happier at the huffingtonpost, or democraticunderground than a libertarian site like gsus.

"fat cat bankers" as you call them are currently in charge of our consitutional rights now, and you're worried about a PRIVATE institution violating them? :rolleyes:

Yeah only the state can protect my rights.. :rolleyes: I'll remember that the next time I'm pulled over for not wearing a seat belt, or parking in a spot longer than 2 hours. I'll keep that in mind that my constitutional rights are protected... :rolleyes:

While you're at it, tell Kelly Thomas that his rights were being protected by state fascist while his face was being beat in.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Kelly-Thomas-Police-Beating.jpg

Oh wait.. He didn't survive his Bill of Rights protection....

[Hitch]

Look Jerk, I used to be one of those volunteer firefighters who donated my time.

Maybe you should just go back to counting bitcoins, instead of entering a discussion where people might actually seek knowledge and solutions.

I stand by my point, a private security solution will leave innocent folks either damaged from criminals, or extorted by your cheerleaders.

[Ares]

Look Jerk, I used to be one of those volunteer firefighters who donated my time.

Back to losing an argument and resorting to name calling again? :rolleyes:


Maybe you should just go back to counting bitcoins, instead of entering a discussion where people might actually seek knowledge and solutions.

I offered a solution, you just didn't like it. Your solution is the same tired old let the state handle it that's been tried for thousands of years and is a time tested failure. If the fire and private security are rolled into a homeowners or auto policy how exactly is that not a solution? At least with a private security firm they would be ACCOUNTABLE to the people they serve. With state actors, they are accountable to no one. The only other solution would be disband police departments all together and let the Sheriff handle it like he was ELECTED to do.

Not to mention that if a private security firm was taking advantage of it's customers, people are free to cancel their agreements and leave. Like you're able to do with your Insurance provider. If the government removed red tape and insurance regulations you could have even far more options available.


I stand by my point, a private security solution will leave innocent folks either damaged from criminals, or extorted by your cheerleaders.

At least with the private solution the people will have a choice. With your solution people have no choice and subject state sponsored force with absolutely no accountability.

May not be a perfect solution, but we live in an imperfect world. Using the state to handle your responsibility isn't a solution either.

[Uncle Salty]

This thread is awesome entertainment.

IBTL.

:)

[Cebu_4_2]

No luck dude, Pete has stolen handcuffs and is now afraid to use them. He preaches PIGS words but is defenseless to common sence and the constitution. He is a lost soul in a pigs uniform. I don't look at him or his stupidity as a lost cause, I mean he is still here rather than leave and join his pig buddies on some 'melt the citizen' forum. Then again he might be trying to convince us otherwise?

I like Pete, for all he does is still a douche worker but I like him. He can never do me harm yet tries like a bullied schoolboy. The more we (or I) push the stupider he gets at grabbing those straws. Well Pete for this mothers day I mailed you a whole package of 12 inch straws man. If you want I can post the address and tracking number right here so you cant say I didn't.

[Hitch]

No luck dude, Pete has stolen handcuffs and is now afraid to use them. He preaches PIGS words but is defenseless to common sence and the constitution. He is a lost soul in a pigs uniform. I don't look at him or his stupidity as a lost cause, I mean he is still here rather than leave and join his pig buddies on some 'melt the citizen' forum. Then again he might be trying to convince us otherwise?

I like Pete, for all he does is still a douche worker but I like him. He can never do me harm yet tries like a bullied schoolboy. The more we (or I) push the stupider he gets at grabbing those straws. Well Pete for this mothers day I mailed you a whole package of 12 inch straws man. If you want I can post the address and tracking number right here so you cant say I didn't.

Hehe...You seem to have that package of straws already stuffed up your ass, and it's causing you to not think properly.

The whole point of this thread, is that for every bad cop thread, I could post threads where a cop does something good too. The hamsters in your head must not be running fast enough for you to grasp this simple logic.

Folks on this forum don't seem to want to hear about when a cop does something good. For a truth loving forum, how can ignoring the other side of an argument lead to truth?

[EE_]

Hehe...You seem to have that package of straws already stuffed up your ass, and it's causing you to not think properly.

The whole point of this thread, is that for every bad cop thread, I could post threads where a cop does something good too. The hamsters in your head must not be running fast enough for you to grasp this simple logic.

Folks on this forum don't seem to want to hear about when a cop does something good. For a truth loving forum, how can ignoring the other side of an argument lead to truth?

I think everyone knows there are still a few good cops out there that keep their noses clean, but I wonder how many good cops see other gang members commit crimes and don't say anything?

I also wonder the reason most guys become cops? It it solely for the reason to do good making society a better and safer place for it's citizens, or is it more for the action, comradery, freedom from society's rules and power...pretty much the same reason guys join the Hell's Angels?

So many cops have abused their power that they've tainted the whole group.

[Hitch]

I think everyone knows there are still a few good cops out there that keep their noses clean, but I wonder how many good cops see other gang members commit crimes and don't say anything?

I also wonder the reason most guys become cops? It it solely for the reason to do good making society a better and safer place for it's citizens, or is it more for the action, comradery, freedom from society's rules and power...pretty much the same reason guys join the Hell's Angels?

So many cops have abused their power that they tainted the whole group.

Good questions. I wasn't in long enough to answer your first question, but I think most people become cops to actually make a difference in society. Do something they think will be a rewarding career, full of action, excitement, etc. Then there's the good pay and great benefits as well. After becoming a cop, and seeing the reality of it, the good, the bad, the ugly, so to speak, it has a way of changing the idealist into a realist.

[Santa]

Like a rotten apple in a batch of apples, one rotten cop systemically legitimizes criminality and corruption.
Not only does it corrupt from the rot within, it increases it on the outside as well because it requires criminality in order to keep its legitimacy in the public's eye.
Until cops quit their support of the institution en mass, the rot and corruption will continue to spread. They have to quit there jobs. Otherwise, they are mercenaries.
Enemies of the people.

Hitch, you aren't doing anyone in the "blue brotherhood" any favors by pointing out that they save puppies.

I think what you're doing is confusing a man with a uniform. A cop is no longer a man when he puts on the uniform.
He becomes a corporate product of the already corrupt institution that pays him to enforce its own self perpetuating policies.
Any cop that isn't found to be exemplary, MUST BE ELIMINATED from the ranks. NO EXCEPTIONS.

[midnight rambler]

Cops swear an oath to ALWAYS UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION.

Strictly a formality. And window dressing - you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a fucking pig. (no pun intended)

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

And their 'fruits' these days are death, destruction of private property, and a general universal disrespect (manifesting as abuse) for us lowly 'civilians'.

[Horn]

Cops swear an oath to ALWAYS UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. If they don't, there needs to be a checks and balances system on that.

I've posted this before, and I'll post it again. Internal affairs, which investigates cops behavior, should not be internal. Cops should not be investigating other cops. It should be external. External affairs, where a third party of regular folks can make a decision, like a jury.

If their existence is not provided for as an enforcenment arm of government per the Constitution, swearing to uphold it means nothing, as they have already violated it.

[midnight rambler]

And I'll say it again, Police are not needed, not wanted, and are just revenue enforcement agents for the parasite class.

You left out "security guards there to protect the assets and interests of the corporations first and foremost*".

*this applies to ALL armed corporate state actors

[Ares]

You left out "security guards there to protect the assets and interests of the corporations first and foremost*".

*this applies to ALL armed corporate state actors

Thanks, left that part out. But you're correct they are an offensive and defensive state sponsored protection racket. What's funny is that Hitch thinks they are "public servants" when Rod Class has proven in a court of law that Police are PRIVATE for PROFIT ENTITIES. It's also the reason why North Carolina has told it's police enforcers to sign over their property to someone they trust. Knowing you DO NOT HAVE public immunity kind of puts a damper on your ability to brutalize someone not knowing they might take everything you own.

[midnight rambler]

What's funny is that Hitch thinks they are "public servants"

Well they ARE 'public servants' when you realize that the definition of 'public' means 'the corporate state'/'the de facto government' and 'public servants' strictly serve the interests of the corporate state/the de facto government first and foremost*, the rest of what they do is only there to support the illusion that they work for the people. lol

Example: 'public safety' = regarding the 'safety' of the corporate state/de facto government

*I assert there is no real evidence (meaning something other than fantasy/grasping at straws) that proves otherwise

[Horn]

Hitch makes the mistake that since man has been set free from kings, we need to create kingly men, Superheros.

Police fulfill societys lie to itself. Nothing good comes from a lie.

[palani]

I haven't respected cops much since I attempted to bail out a friend. Paid cash. Three grand. Took paperwork from the clerks office to the sheriff. Waited 15 minutes until they came out and told me he would not be released (despite having bonded him out). Then on the walk back to the car three cop cars were playing tag with me. One stopped right in the street and the cop driver just stared at me. I kept walking. I had parked the car 1 block away from the Mississippi river bridge and was thankful to get into another jurisdiction less than one minute after I started the engine.

[Hitch]

Hitch makes the mistake that since man has been set free from kings, we need to create kingly men, Superheros.

Police fulfill societys lie to itself. Nothing good comes from a lie.

All I know is that I think this forum is full of keyboard jockeys, folks who have a lot of knowledge and are quite brilliant. But lack practical experience.

In short, you haven't lived it. I have. And, I have no regrets. I'm going surfing tomorrow morning with a beautiful Hawaiian gal. All the best to you folks. If if makes you feel better using me as a punching bag, so be it.

[Ares]

All I know is that I think this forum is full of keyboard jockeys, folks who have a lot of knowledge and are quite brilliant. But lack practical experience.

In short, you haven't lived it. I have. And, I have no regrets. I'm going surfing tomorrow morning with a beautiful Hawaiian gal. All the best to you folks. If if makes you feel better using me as a punching bag, so be it.

Enjoy the surfing.

No hard feelings here Hitch. I don't see you as a punching bag. But experience usually dictates perception. It's safe to say hardly anyone here has had a positive experience with those who call themselves police. The increase in abuse and violation of rights just adds fuel to the already resentful fire.

Regardless, enjoy the surfing and the beautiful Hawaiian girl.

[Horn]

Stay away from the sharks as you might a cop bashing thread, Hitch.

[7th trump]

All I know is that I think this forum is full of keyboard jockeys, folks who have a lot of knowledge and are quite brilliant. But lack practical experience.

In short, you haven't lived it. I have. And, I have no regrets. I'm going surfing tomorrow morning with a beautiful Hawaiian gal. All the best to you folks. If if makes you feel better using me as a punching bag, so be it.

Yep...most here haven't lived it...just keyboard jockey's having huge egos carrying an agenda.
You can spot them quite easily.

[palani]

Yep...most here haven't lived it...just keyboard jockey's having huge egos carrying an agenda.
You can spot them quite easily.

And you are now going to tell us that you have been everywhere and seen everything ..... when the truth is you stick your head in the sand and raise your tail so your linen show up as a white flag.

[7th trump]

And you are now going to tell us that you have been everywhere and seen everything ..... when the truth is you stick your head in the sand and raise your tail so your linen show up as a white flag.

You ever going to show us the proof that a debt still exists even after paying it off with FRN's?
Funny.....the electric company, water company doesn't continue to want paid after I pay them the bill in FRN's!
What gives?
I have proof a debt is paid in full when using FRN's. Every month the electric company sends a bill showing the previous months amount paid in full....but you cant procure one shred of evidence the debt still exists....hmmm!

Why do you lie, convolute and inject conspiracy when explaining your theories?....better yet why do you cling to pet theories?
How come you never give a straight up answer?

[monty]

All I know is that I think this forum is full of keyboard jockeys, folks who have a lot of knowledge and are quite brilliant. But lack practical experience. In short, you haven't lived it. I have. And, I have no regrets. I'm going surfing tomorrow morning with a beautiful Hawaiian gal. All the best to you folks. If if makes you feel better using me as a punching bag, so be it.

I have a son and son in law who are deputy sheriffs. My grandson wants to follow in their follow in their footsteps. Still I have no use for cops. I have looked down the barrel of one of their guns.

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[Dogman]

I like you , but sometimes I wonder, knowing where the majority of this forums group think is, Hell I state my true feelings knowing all it will do is outrage, they that hold dear the crap they want to call truth!


Going counter here to the group think is like being a mouse thrown into a rattlesnake den.


U will not win, tho kudos to you , you are a fighter for what you hold true.

One can not argue against they that have agendas, it does no good, they resort to personal attacks/name calling just to piss off who they are replying to. I have already posted part of my life being raised by a cop.


Walk away, you are not scoring any points on this thread, you by now should know that.

At one time I had a trigger temper, but age dulled the edges.

Just saying from a friend.

Tho I know you will not listen,

I do admire a hard head!

[midnight rambler]

You ever going to show us the proof that a debt still exists even after paying it off with FRN's?

To 'pay' a debt means an exchange of value for value/substance for substance and in doing so the debt is EXTINGUISHED. This is what the Constitution for the US of A clearly mandates - the PAYMENT of debt shall be in gold or silver coin AND NOTHING ELSE. There is NO ambiguity there, it could not possibly be more explicit (or succinct). As a result of the bankruptcy in March of 1933 the American people are no longer able to 'pay' their debts AT LAW, and subsequently the Uniform Commercial Code was drawn up to address this problem. The UCC provides the basis for discharging debt (with limited liability - a privilege of the corporate collectivist state) - when one discharges a debt the debt still exists it is NOT extinguished. On its face a Federal Reserve Note is evidence of debt. (This is absolutely irrefutable...since a note is a debt instrument.) It is impossible to 'pay' a debt with more debt. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is either:

a) the world's biggest moron incapable of objective, critical thinking despite being exposed to the FACTS of the matter

OR

b) attempting to con others into accepting/believing in/embracing/not questioning the banksters' beast (Death Cult) system.

Considering Donald Trump's persistence in defending the Death Cult at every opportunity I'm venturing a guess that he's not the world's biggest moron but rather the latter - a useful unwavering tool for the collectivist Death Cult attempting to con others into accepting the Mother of All Frauds.

[7th trump]

To 'pay' a debt means an exchange of value for value/substance for substance and in doing so the debt is EXTINGUISHED. This is what the Constitution for the US of A clearly mandates - the PAYMENT of debt shall be in gold or silver coin AND NOTHING ELSE. There is NO ambiguity there, it could not possibly be more explicit (or succinct). As a result of the bankruptcy in March of 1933 the American people are no longer able to 'pay' their debts AT LAW, and subsequently the Uniform Commercial Code was drawn up to address this problem. The UCC is the basis for discharging debt (with limited liability - a privilege of the corporate collectivist state) - when one discharges a debt the debt still exists it is NOT extinguished. On its face a Federal Reserve Note is evidence of debt. (This is absolutely irrefutable...since a note is a debt instrument.) It is impossible to 'pay' a debt with more debt. Anyone who tries to tell you otherwise is either:

a) the world's biggest moron incapable of objective, critical thinking despite being exposed to the FACTS of the matter

OR

b) attempting to con others into accepting/believing in/embracing/not questioning the beast (Death Cult) system.

Considering Donald Trump's persistence in defending the Death Cult at every opportunity I'm venturing a guess that he's not the world's biggest moron but rather the latter - a useful unwavering tool for the collectivist Death Cult attempting to con others into accepting the Mother of All Frauds.

Ok...I'll bite and then show you your errors of listening to internet idiot theories.

Ok....since palani failed to show any evidence that a debt still exists after being paid in full with FRN's....you, Midnight Rambler, show me the debt still exists somewhere.
I highly doubt you are going to show me anything....but good luck grasshopper!

Now to show you your errors.
FRN's are just a medium of exchange no different than gold or silver coins or treasure notes.
If I work 40 hours a week and get paid 1000.00 for 40hrs in the form of FRN's....how is that a debt?

Lets say I'm paid 1000.00 and turn around and give ten 100.00 bills for a pickup truck.....how is that debt?
I just got a pickup truck for ten pieces of paper!
FRN's......are just mediums of exchange.
Lets say I was paid a 1000.00 and gave ten 100.00 bills for an ounce of gold...and then turned around and gave the ounce of gold in exchange for two calves?
Where's the debt...and what's the debt?

See midnight....this is what you get for listening to idiots on the internet.....more idiots who cant think for themselves.
Yet these idiots don't beleive they are idiots until someone like me comes along and questions them.

So please, as palani failed to procure any evidence...please please show us all where this mysterious debt that continually exists.... is located.

[Dogman]

Amen!

FRN'S are that exactly, their value depends on the world market, just as gold and sliver is.

Inflation , holds true across the board, for flat and metals.

Value is what is perceived, at the moment, all is in flux.

The crap abut debt, when using frn's is pure loonytunes
Other than the country issuing them, and the buying power floats, the ones using them , incur no debt to any man.

Tho the bang for the buck, maybe in flux.

It amazes me of how so many , but in reality considering that by probably general population They that hold thoughts expressed here are in the very small minority, and here can come off the wall. There used to be rubber rooms for them kind of people. In dreams, they may work, in reality not so much, if at all.

They are a promace, just like metals, when it comes to value.

[midnight rambler]

You DO (directly or indirectly) work for the Satan worshiping banksters, don't you Donald Trump? Obviously you're on a mission to con folks into accepting the illusion/Mother of All Frauds.

A Federal Reserve NOTE is a note* on its face - who is unable to see the word 'note' at the top of it??

*commercial paper - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Commercial+Paper


Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States (as clear as it gets regarding the FACT that Federal Reserve NOTES are indeed evidence of debt) and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand (this established the FACT that FRNs are NOT 'lawful money' nor even 'money' but rather fraud since FRNs are not really redeemable) at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank. 12 USC 411

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/12/411

[7th trump]

You DO (directly or indirectly) work for the Satan worshiping banksters, don't you Donald Trump? Obviously you're on a mission to con folks into accepting the illusion/Mother of All Frauds.

A Federal Reserve NOTE is a note* on its face - who is unable to see the word 'note' at the top of it??

*commercial paper - http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Commercial+Paper
I could careless about what is and what is not a note or your precious lawful money....who gives a rats ass...the gold standard has been suspended and so has the silver...so whats your point grasshopper about notes and lawful money?
Heck....palani admitted that the US government hasn't even defined what "lawful money" is....which you, like palani failed, are attempting to do.
Are you or are you not going to step up where palani failed and point to the direction where this mysterious "debt" still exists?

[midnight rambler]

FRN'S are that exactly, their value depends on the world market, just as gold and sliver is.


While I think Donald Trump is in league with the Satan worshiping banksters, imo you're just a complete moron who's killed off most of his brain cells with alcohol and is therefore unable to think coherently. There is no 'value' in debt/FRNs while there IS value in gold and silver. Only the rubes are unable to grasp the concept that FRNs = counterfeit currency (once exposed to the FACTS of the matter) since Federal Reserve NOTES are NOT redeemable except for more FRNs. I'd think that after hanging out on a gold and silver forum for an extended period of time you'd be able to grasp this VERY SIMPLE concept...but noooo.

[Dogman]

While I think Donald Trump is in league with the Satan worshiping banksters, imo you're just a complete moron who's killed off most of his brain cells with alcohol and is therefore unable to think coherently. There is no 'value' in debt/FRNs while there IS value in gold and silver. Only the rubes are unable to grasp the concept that FRNs = counterfeit currency (once exposed to the FACTS of the matter) since Federal Reserve NOTES are NOT redeemable except for more FRNs. I'd think that after hanging out on a gold and silver forum for an extended period of time you'd be able to grasp this VERY SIMPLE concept...but noooo.

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You wish, komrad!


Suka, you probably live in the wrong country!

Just for a grin, ever been in the military.

And I hold to what I said, you hate the system and like so many come off the wall trying to tear it down. If confronted with fact, then the dodging and weaving and personal attacks begain..

Carry on Comrade.

[midnight rambler]

BY LAW*, 'lawful money' = gold and silver coin. Only the Satan worshipers attempt to con others into thinking otherwise.


*No State shall...make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts --Art. 1 Section 10 of the Constitution for the US of A THAT is the organic law on the matter, which has NEVER been amended

[midnight rambler]

Just for a grin, ever been in the military.

TRANSLATION: I take it you were never thoroughly brainwashed by the Death Cult while *I* was and I'm damn proud of my brainwashing! Do not confuse me with the facts! I can't hear you! lalalalalalalalalalalalalala....


you hate the system

You're right! I hate having the Mother of All Frauds being foisted upon me and everyone else.


like so many come off the wall trying to tear it down.

When the Mother of All Frauds collapses...and it WILL...the world will be a much better place.

Remember: ALL wars are bankers' wars, which is why as long as their Death Cult/usury system/Mother of All Frauds remains in place we'll never have peace and genuine prosperity.

[Dogman]

But there are 10,000 laws on the books that are not enforced, you can still be hung with wire cutters in your possession in Texas.


There is law and reality, the two will never meet, tho it is a sad thing I just said.

Nice try, but please try again, comrade.

[Santa]

I'm just an old work horse who loves cops. :)

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/jackconrad/junk/horse2.jpg (http://s915.photobucket.com/user/jackconrad/media/junk/horse2.jpg.html)

[Dogman]

I'm just an old work horse who loves cops. :)

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac358/jackconrad/junk/horse2.jpg (http://s915.photobucket.com/user/jackconrad/media/junk/horse2.jpg.html)

Lmao!

Priceless Pict.

As I have written in the last few, I have no love for cops serving now.

[Cebu_4_2]

Should have pulled his pants down and let it kill him.

[Awoke]

Is Hitch Liquid/Solid?
Fuck the police.

[palani]

.the gold standard has been suspended and so has the silver
Only if you believe the constitution has been suspended. If this is the case then why do politicians take oaths of office to protect and defend this system of government?


Are you or are you not going to step up where palani failed and point to the direction where this mysterious "debt" still exists? palani pointed out precisely where this ACCUMULATED debt is accounted for. The blind it seems have no eyes to see or brain cells to think.

Do you really believe if gold were still the standard for money that an account would be kept after the agreed to amount of gold has been paid?

Why is there a debt of $346,681,016 still on the books that has not changed since 1878? I hold $5 of this debt. As a creditor do you believe I should just light a match to this note and forget about it? Is this how the national debt is intended to be retired?

[7th trump]

Only if you believe the constitution has been suspended. If this is the case then why do politicians take oaths of office to protect and defend this system of government?

palani pointed out precisely where this ACCUMULATED debt is accounted for. The blind it seems have no eyes to see or brain cells to think.

Do you really believe if gold were still the standard for money that an account would be kept after the agreed to amount of gold has been paid?

Why is there a debt of $346,681,016 still on the books that has not changed since 1878? I hold $5 of this debt. As a creditor do you believe I should just light a match to this note and forget about it? Is this how the national debt is intended to be retired?
Where did I say the Constitution was suspended?

Your link to "a" debt clock wasn't and isn't verifiable......for all we know its a private debt clock and we have no way of understanding what equation they are using to determine that debt....or if some debt is even suppose to be tallied.
Besides you cant even see straight as the credit card debt was going down which you insisted that it was going up...when it wasn't.

What significance is 346,681,016?
Nobody knows what it is and neither do you...otherwise we would have heard all about this number in just about every post you made.
What verifiable point are you getting at?

[palani]

Where did I say the Constitution was suspended? Doesn't it follow that the gold standard can only be suspended if the constitution is not longer in effect?


Your link to "a" debt clock wasn't and isn't verifiable. I verify that link.


as the credit card debt was going down which you insisted that it was going up...when it wasn't. Where have I ever mentioned credit card debt? Is this another phantom that traversed your brain?


What significance is 346,681,016? A key number that has remained unchanged for 136 years.


What verifiable point are you getting at?
Is this verifiable?
http://books.google.com/books?id=1ocfAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=346681016&source=bl&ots=Huuy0f20rj&sig=K1O8rYv_3wGsAJ6lMoamKdHr8vA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TbBwU4CBJY2fyATwrYKgDA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=346681016&f=false

[7th trump]

Doesn't it follow that the gold standard can only be suspended if the constitution is not longer in effect?

I verify that link.

Where have I ever mentioned credit card debt? Is this another phantom that traversed your brain?

A key number that has remained unchanged for 136 years.


Is this verifiable?
http://books.google.com/books?id=1ocfAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA209&lpg=PA209&dq=346681016&source=bl&ots=Huuy0f20rj&sig=K1O8rYv_3wGsAJ6lMoamKdHr8vA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TbBwU4CBJY2fyATwrYKgDA&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=346681016&f=false

No, it doesnt follow. The issue of credit and paying bills is seperate from other aspects and parts of the Constitution....such as the Bill of Rights. So no, the Constitution isnt suspended just because they suspended the gold standard...thats just your personal interpretation...and we all know your interpretation doesnt coinside with actuality. You've proven you cant comprehend many times.
The mountain you are going to have to overcome is providing undeniable facts and proof the suspension of the gold standaard actually suspended the Constitution.....good luck with that grasshopper!

You verified it huh?
Knowing your past mistakes at law, undocumented conspircy drivel and not to mention not ever answering questions.....just what creditability do you suppose you have?
Nobody is beleiving you palani.

136 years huh?
Well before you go and attach some sort of conspiray theory behind that date...you should probably do some research before reporting back with your thesis or someone elses conspiracy.
Chances of you taking on the conspiracy about that number and taching on more lies is...........100%.

All your link does is show a date and a number....doesnt prove or varify anything.
Your mental behavior reminds me of one of your "lawful money" coconspirators. This goon says redeeming "lawful money" works and provided a copy of a check he supposedly redeemed.....as bonifide proof!
The copy of this check was stamped with a homemade stamp stating "redeemed for lawful money" on its back.
To everyone else it was just a picture of the back side of a check with writing on it............didnt prove a damn thing!
And for the best part.........he was asked what kind of currency the bank teller gave him for redeeming lawful money......and get this...he said FRN's...Hahahahahahahahaha!

He redeemed his check for FRN,s....thats hilarious!
What a toad!

[palani]

No, it doesnt follow. The issue of credit and paying bills is seperate from other aspects and parts of the Constitution....such as the Bill of Rights. So no, the Constitution isnt suspended just because they suspended the gold standard...thats just your personal interpretation...and we all know your interpretation doesnt coinside with actuality. You've proven you cant comprehend many times.
The mountain you are going to have to overcome is providing undeniable facts and proof the suspension of the gold standaard actually suspended the Constitution.....good luck with that grasshopper!

You verified it huh?
Knowing your past mistakes at law, undocumented conspircy drivel and not to mention not ever answering questions.....just what creditability do you suppose you have?
Nobody is beleiving you palani.

All your link does is show a date and a number....doesnt prove or varify anything.
Your mental behavior reminds me of one of your "lawful money" coconspirators. This goon says redeeming "lawful money" works and provided a copy of a check he supposedly redeemed.....as bonifide proof!
The copy of this check was stamped with a homemade stamp stating "redeemed for lawful money" on its back.
To everyone else it was just a picture of the back side of a check with writing on it............didnt prove a damn thing!
And for the best part.........he was asked what kind of currency the bank teller gave him for redeeming lawful money......and get this...he said FRN's...Hahahahahahahahaha!

He redeemed his check for FRN,s....thats hilarious!
What a toad!
I see a lot of rhetoric here that proves three things
1) you are a statute person
2) you have no imagination
3) you are not capable of acting on your own authority

Congress decrees that you may receive lawful money by asking for it .... they say this in 12 USC 411. When you ask for lawful money and cite this statute then what do you expect to receive? When you accept what they hand you then do you expect this to be lawful money? Do you see the paradox if they (Treasury ... IRS ... others) come back and try to tax you on money that they are bound to call 'lawful'?

You have no imagination and you have no logic. Why are you trying to convince anyone otherwise?


136 years huh?
Well before you go and attach some sort of conspiray theory behind that date...you should probably do some research before reporting back with your thesis or someone elses conspiracy.
Chances of you taking on the conspiracy about that number and taching on more lies is...........100%.

I'll cite my authority here. I hold a physical note that is part and parcel of that $346,681,016. Unless you hold a similar note you aren't a creditor and your comments are by way of tortuous interference with a contract. Get yourself a part of this debt and THEN maybe you may have a say.

[7th trump]

I see a lot of rhetoric here that proves three things
1) you are a statute person
2) you have no imagination
3) you are not capable of acting on your own authority

Congress decrees that you may receive lawful money by asking for it .... they say this in 12 USC 411. When you ask for lawful money and cite this statute then what do you expect to receive? When you accept what they hand you then do you expect this to be lawful money? Do you see the paradox if they (Treasury ... IRS ... others) come back and try to tax you on money that they are bound to call 'lawful'?

You have no imagination and you have no logic. Why are you trying to convince anyone otherwise?



I'll cite my authority here. I hold a physical note that is part and parcel of that $346,681,016. Unless you hold a similar note you aren't a creditor and your comments are by way of tortuous interference with a contract. Get yourself a part of this debt and THEN maybe you may have a say.

So whats rhetorical about asking you in providing the facts and evidence to a theory of your to see if it holds water?
Did you even look up rhetorical t osee what it means?
I ask because I beleive its you whos rhetorical....after all you're trying to persuade the discussion without any evidence or facts...which is-


rhet·o·ric
1.persuasive speech or writing: speech or writing that communicates its point persuasively
2.pretentious words: complex or elaborate language that only succeeds in sounding pretentious
3.empty talk: fine-sounding but insincere or empty language

Are you dumb enough to use "logic" and "imagination" in the same sentence?
Imagination is ........imaginary!
Logical.....is common sense!

I see you persuade imaginary to sound like common sense.
Maybe some on this forum are stupid enough to fall for your theories, but I'm not.

Got a note ....huh?
Is it a sticky note, musical note...or a notation of some sort?
Are we supposed to imagine what kind of note this is and when we say something you like......you then agree to?
Please enlighten me on what this note is so I can research it to varify what you say has any merit!

[palani]

So whats rhetorical about asking you in providing the facts and evidence to a theory of your to see if it holds water? In your case rhetorical means stringing words together to form incoherent sentences.



Please enlighten me on what this note is so I can research it to varify what you say has any merit! You have no standing to dispute what I say one way or the other. I hold my portion of this debt. You own NONE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note

[7th trump]

In your case rhetorical means stringing words together to form incoherent sentences.


You have no standing to dispute what I say one way or the other. I hold my portion of this debt. You own NONE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note

No, rhetorical means what the definition says it is............why do you think I posted the definition...whats wrong with you palani?

Why would I want to own debt.
And what makes you think having this note you own debt?
That note is not debt as you beleive it is...that note is nothing but a medium of exchange and nothing else....you own no stock of the USofA because you have that note.....Bahahahaha!

[palani]

rhetorical means what the definition says it is.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

why do you think I posted the definition.
Why do you believe I responded as I did?

Why would I want to own debt.
Why do you own debt? The only debt I own is that 1862 $5 note. I own no others.

what makes you think having this note you own debt?
It is debt and I hold it.


That note is not debt as you beleive it is...that note is nothing but a medium of exchange and nothing else....you own no stock of the USofA because you have that note.....Bahahahaha!
I would have to be some simpleton to listen to the rhetorical rantings of a tortuous individual.

[Santa]

Is Hitch Liquid/Solid?
Fuck the police.

Yes.

Now can we please resume our discussion of despicable cops?

[Hitch]

Enjoy the surfing.

No hard feelings here Hitch..

No hard feeling here either, Ares. With anyone on this forum.

The surfing turned out to be quite an amazing experience. The waves were just OK, but while out there a bunch of young sea lions payed us a visit, jumping and playing in the surf all around us. Then dolphins actually showed up. So all around us we had these animals just having fun and being playful. It was really something to see and a reminder on how wildlife can just take time to have fun, and enjoy things. Sea life, these animals just have it figured out, and by paddling out and joining them, it's just good for the soul.

Afterwards, while relaxing and watching the waves from shore. We saw a couple of whales even cruise by, only about 100 feet from shore. They were playing around as well, slapping their tails and such, right where we had been surfing. I wish I had been out there for that. It was just one of those days to be remembered.

[Cebu_4_2]

I thought everything was dead from Fuckushima.

[Hitch]

I thought everything was dead from Fuckushima.

I'm taking the skiff out in the ocean tomorrow morning to fish for rock fish and sand dabs. If I catch some, I'll eat them and let everyone know if my hair turns green. :)

[Cebu_4_2]

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs43/i/2009/077/3/3/Green_Hair_Man_by_Jessiely.jpg

[Hitch]

http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs43/i/2009/077/3/3/Green_Hair_Man_by_Jessiely.jpg

You ever see a cop dressed like that? I thought you folks think we are all roid rage goons.

I think I caught you being a hypocrite, Cebu. :)

[7th trump]

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

Why do you believe I responded as I did?

Why do you own debt? The only debt I own is that 1862 $5 note. I own no others.

It is debt and I hold it.


I would have to be some simpleton to listen to the rhetorical rantings of a tortuous individual.

Wow ...A-typical delusional response.,...just keep your head in the sand palani.
That bill doesn't make you own any stock in the USofA nor does it say you own some of its debt.
That bill at the level of peasant is nothing more than a medium of exchange....antiquated medium of exchange at that.
Hypocrisy flows plentiful in the gene pool you come from.
You yourself profess the usofA went bankrupt and "dissolved" and now you think you own some of this bankrupt and dissolved" debt.

No wonder you are completely lost in the law, mumble rantings and contradict yourself which make absolutely no sense at all.

[palani]

antiquated medium of exchange at that

Do IOUs come with an expiration date?

I have a claim.

Where is yours?

[7th trump]

Do IOUs come with an expiration date?

I have a claim.

Where is yours?
That bill is no "claim".
And what do you think you're getting out of this supposed "claim" anyway?

[palani]

That bill is no "claim".
Is it an IOU?


what do you think you're getting out of this supposed "claim" anyway?
At the time this note was issued it was valued at a 1/4 oz of gold. Pending delivery of this 1/4 oz of gold the note is a chose in action for whoever holds it.

[7th trump]

Is it an IOU?


At the time this note was issued it was valued at a 1/4 oz of gold. Pending delivery of this 1/4 oz of gold the note is a chose in action for whoever holds it.

No, its not an IOU...its a medium of exchange.
You did not except that note to be paid in coin for a debt owed to you. You bought the note in hopes of getting something for nothing......you're lazy and a cheat (untrustworthy)!
Bank notes were at one time considered promissory notes, but no longer, and have taken the place of coin as money (medium of exchange).

A fool and his money are departed because the government suspended the gold standard and replaced its treasury notes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promissory_note#Difference_from_IOU

Difference from IOU
Promissory notes differ from IOUs in that they contain a specific promise to pay, rather than simply acknowledging that a debt exists. In common speech, other terms, such as "loan", "loan agreement", and "loan contract" may be used interchangeably with "promissory note" but these terms do not have the same legal meaning

[Hitch]

I thought everything was dead from Fuckushima.

I had one of the best fishing trips I have ever had. I have more sand dabs than I could possibly eat. I'll be giving some to my neighbors. Every time I dropped my rig it was like a feeding frenzy. Since I was fishing in 100 feet of water, got a good arm work out as well. I also caught some small rock fish, but they were too small to keep. I also, surprising, caught a couple of small barracuda, and a jelly fish. I wasn't going to try and get the hook out though, those teeth look effing sharp.

Yes, there is tons of life still in the Pacific Ocean. It's a great feeling to know I can be out in the ocean within 30 minutes catching fish. I may use fish as a bartering item. :)

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[JohnQPublic]

http://youtu.be/KTzGtPdyeFI

I do not get into the all cops are bad thing, but these guys are f-ing morons. Who is the f-tard to agree with the cops? F you a-hole. They WERE FLEEING FOR THEIR SAFETY MORON. Cenk Uygur F you. "Where were you going"? I would drive to a police station maybe where I would not feel threatened by these morons who are obviously incompetent.

I question whether any cop should routinely pull over any vehicle except in the most extreme case (i.e., a bank robbery maybe), then approach it with a weapon. This is American idiocy. I have never seen this in Europe (not saying it never happens, I just have never seen it). In Central America and Asia, I see people just ignore any cop that tries to stop them (whether in a car or on foot).

[/end rant]

[EE_]

I had one of the best fishing trips I have ever had. I have more sand dabs than I could possibly eat. I'll be giving some to my neighbors. Every time I dropped my rig it was like a feeding frenzy. Since I was fishing in 100 feet of water, got a good arm work out as well. I also caught some small rock fish, but they were too small to keep. I also, surprising, caught a couple of small barracuda, and a jelly fish. I wasn't going to try and get the hook out though, those teeth look effing sharp.

Yes, there is tons of life still in the Pacific Ocean. It's a great feeling to know I can be out in the ocean within 30 minutes catching fish. I may use fish as a bartering item. :)

6350

Nice! How are you going to prepare them...pan dress, or fillet?
I've not eaten those tasty fish, but I've eaten a lot of flounder I used to catch in the gulf. Similar I guess?

[palani]

You did not except that note to be paid in coin for a debt owed to you.

And what did the first guy who accepted this U.S. note from Treasury expect? I received his rights when I gained possession of the note.

[Hitch]

Nice! How are you going to prepare them...pan dress, or fillet?
I've not eaten those tasty fish, but I've eaten a lot of flounder I used to catch in the gulf. Similar I guess?

Come on over, EE, we'll cook them up. :) I'm going to pan dress them in flour and bread crumbs and fry them in oil and butter. I've been reading sand dabs are quite a delicacy actually, and I'm excited to try them. They are small though, so you've got to cook up a few of them per person. I just gave a bunch to my neighbor. I kept 22 of them, but actually caught a lot more. I took note of the spot on my gps so I can return there. I don't know if I just had beginners luck, or if it will be that good each time I go out.

It was a total blast out there floating in the ocean in a small boat. The boat is only 12 feet long. It's a great feeling catching your own dinner.

[palani]

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[Serpo]

http://img.izifunny.com/pics/20120313/640/life-of-cops-around-the-world-59-pics_3.jpg

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

I could buy into the whole "not all cops are bad" argument if not for the fact that the cops that commit these crimes are rarely punished for their corruption due to core corruption of the overall department. If the corruption is that high up, which it is, they aren't recruiting the good guys to join their ranks. They're bringing in more corrupt psychopaths that they can count on to continue to the corruption. This is the state of power today. It's a crimocracy. Even if a cop joins for all the right reasons he/she will be either sidelined and cast out or forced to go to the dark side. Even if a cop is good and virtuous on the job that cop is still guilty by association because they're silent about the crimes of their colleagues they witness. The problem is not good cop vs bad cop, it's systemic corruption at all levels. They have taken away the deterrent by allowing these cops to abuse their power and now they feel invincible. Most of them joined for the power trip and now they're taking steroids and shooting dogs without a thought of consequence.

[Cebu_4_2]

I also, surprising, caught a couple of small barracuda, and a jelly fish. I wasn't going to try and get the hook out though, those teeth look effing sharp.

So you just left the hook in their throat to live on with or did you rip the thing out for then to enjoy?

[Hitch]

So you just left the hook in their throat to live on with or did you rip the thing out for then to enjoy?

If it was your finger, I would have shoved it in. Your the closest thing to a barracuda I have encountered, aside from a hook and line.

[Cebu_4_2]

I could buy into the whole "not all cops are bad" argument if not for the fact that the cops that commit these crimes are rarely punished for their corruption due to core corruption of the overall department. If the corruption is that high up, which it is, they aren't recruiting the good guys to join their ranks. They're bringing in more corrupt psychopaths that they can count on to continue to the corruption. This is the state of power today. It's a crimocracy. Even if a cop joins for all the right reasons he/she will be either sidelined and cast out or forced to go to the dark side. Even if a cop is good and virtuous on the job that cop is still guilty by association because they're silent about the crimes of their colleagues they witness. The problem is not good cop vs bad cop, it's systemic corruption at all levels. They have taken away the deterrent by allowing these cops to abuse their power and now they feel invincible. Most of them joined for the power trip and now they're taking steroids and shooting dogs without a thought of consequence.

You have a point but from being in a really strange description of a small town I have met the local Pigs. 1st was before i even unpacked my CZ. Come back from getting gas, 12 minutes. some big backwards ass country fuck is in my house. I let him go, no need to kill him for not fast enough to take my stuff.

2nd was blowing through a stop sign late at night.. fishing expedition. I got nothing.
3rd was 51 in 35, cop says did you know.. I said I realized that just after I saw you. Free to go.

Sometimes it's cool to play the 50s game here.

[Cebu_4_2]

If it was your finger, I would have shoved it in. Your the closest thing to a barracuda I have encountered, aside from a hook and line.

Perhaps you come back as one of those species, you would like it.

[Neuro]

You have a point but from being in a really strange description of a small town I have met the local Pigs. 1st was before i even unpacked my CZ. Come back from getting gas, 12 minutes. some big backwards ass country fuck is in my house. I let him go, no need to kill him for not fast enough to take my stuff.

2nd was blowing through a stop sign late at night.. fishing expedition. I got nothing.
3rd was 51 in 35, cop says did you know.. I said I realized that just after I saw you. Free to go.

Sometimes it's cool to play the 50s game here.
The thing is if I would get caught doing those traffic violations in Sweden, I would get a ticket, no doubt, but on the other hand I have never felt that there was a risk a police would shoot or taze me here. In Turkey I have been able to talk or bribe myself out of fines, but the police force has become the private guard of PM Recep Tayip Erdogan lately. Last summer they used 125,000 tear gas grenades quelling the demonstrations against him in 2 weeks time... Must be some type of world record...

[Serpo]

Citizen Pulls Over Drunken Cop, Locks Him In his Own Cruiser (http://wearechange.org/citizen-pulls-drunken-cop-locks-cruiser/) http://1.gravatar.com/avatar/b4302c4784acbfbfa10ba2a02da1d155?s=50&d=&r=GPosted by Eric Barlow (http://wearechange.org/author/ebarlow/) on May 10, 2014
www.thefreethoughtproject.com (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/citizen-pulls-drunken-cop-locks-cruiser/)
(http://thefreethoughtproject.com/citizen-pulls-drunken-cop-locks-cruiser/)http://wearechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/drunkcoparrest.jpg (http://wearechange.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/drunkcoparrest.jpg)
(http://thefreethoughtproject.com/citizen-pulls-drunken-cop-locks-cruiser/)
Meet Russell George. Russell was driving Stott Street one Sunday night last year, when he noticed a police van driving fast and recklessly.

The van was swerving and turned into oncoming traffic.

“At this point I was concerned about the safety of other road users,” self-employed George told The Witness. (http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Man-locks-up-drunk-cop-20130116)

“He suddenly jammed on his brakes and came to a complete stop.”

“I got out of my car and went towards him and I asked him if he knew what he was doing. He started his car and carried on driving,” he said.

Continuing to drive recklessly, the policeman turned into Logan Road and came to a stop at the Howard Road intersection.

George decided it would be best to call the police. He was told the police would be there shortly.

“After five minutes, no one had arrived. So I jumped out of my car and I approached the driver’s side and asked him to come out. He looked at me and I could smell that he had been drinking.

“I asked him again, and he refused.

“I then grabbed his keys, pulled him out and locked him in the back of his own van,” George said.

He added that the police van was badly damaged, as if it had been involved in an accident.

Witnesses said that the officer who’d been locked in the back of the van began crying.

Russell George, we salute you sir! This took some serious guts and you are very lucky that the responding officers did not beat you down.
http://wearechange.org/citizen-pulls-drunken-cop-locks-cruiser/

[Serpo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZ8t3LFwYghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOZ8t3LFwYg

[Camp Bassfish]

If it was your finger, I would have shoved it in. Your the closest thing to a Blow Fish I have encountered, aside from a hook and line.

...

[Hatha Sunahara]

I could buy into the whole "not all cops are bad" argument if not for the fact that the cops that commit these crimes are rarely punished for their corruption due to core corruption of the overall department. If the corruption is that high up, which it is, they aren't recruiting the good guys to join their ranks. They're bringing in more corrupt psychopaths that they can count on to continue to the corruption. This is the state of power today. It's a crimocracy. Even if a cop joins for all the right reasons he/she will be either sidelined and cast out or forced to go to the dark side. Even if a cop is good and virtuous on the job that cop is still guilty by association because they're silent about the crimes of their colleagues they witness. The problem is not good cop vs bad cop, it's systemic corruption at all levels. They have taken away the deterrent by allowing these cops to abuse their power and now they feel invincible. Most of them joined for the power trip and now they're taking steroids and shooting dogs without a thought of consequence.


Systemic corruption. Not just one bad apple. A whole barrel full of them.

When something is rotten, what do you do? Do you try to fix it? Do you cut out the rotten part? What if the whole thing is rotten?

Well, I don't know about you, but I throw out what is rotten. Off to the compost heap. I'm watching what happens in Albuquerque NM to the police department and city council. This is a bellweather. Are the people gonna throw out the whole rotten system and replace it with something better, or is it going to poison them?

Coming to a conclusion that the whole thing is rotten to the core is a big step for most people. It means the status quo cannot be 'quo' any more--that it has to change. And we all know how painful change can be. So do the rotten cops and politicians. We all know that if you don't change it, it will only get worse until it kills us all.



Hatha

[osoab]

http://i.imgur.com/xmbkpBd.jpg

[Dogman]

Nice "T" , if true? Or photo shopped?

A t like that here would go down like here like a "screen door in a submarine" !

Tho I have no illusions of what they do if they know they can get away with something, call it street justice or something like that.

They are the "Law" you know, -----------insert scarsam icon!

Android Forum Runner

[osoab]

Nice "T" , if true? Or photo shopped?

A t like that here would go down like here like a "screen door in a submarine" !

Tho I have no illusions of what they do if they know they can get away with something, call it street justice or something like that.

They are the "Law" you know, -----------insert scarsam icon!

Android Forum Runner


could be photoshopped.




Welcome to Police Week (http://informationliberation.com/?id=47492)




By Radley Balko
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It’s police week in Washington, D.C., a time when cops from all over the country gather to discuss and celebrate all things law enforcement. A friend sends the photo below, snapped at a bar. She adds in an e-mail, “Couldn’t figure out what department he’s from, but the front of the shirt had the official logo of the National Law Enforcement Memorial Fund on it.”

More on t-shirts and police culture here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/21/what-cop-tshirts-tell-us-_n_3479017.html).

[Dogman]

could be photoshopped.



Welcome to Police Week (http://informationliberation.com/?id=47492)




From my study of cop culture, can see that t as a I want one, for many a donut muncher! But not to be worn in public.

Android Forum Runner

[PatColo]

haven't read the whole thread, but coppers on big-pharma psychotropic prescriptions, esp SSRI/anti-depressions, surely exceed the gen pop, if .mil rate of 'scripts is any indication... many, esp in this economy, go straight from .mil to police. A few podcasts from the
Thread: Gwen Olsen | Confessions of an Rx Drug Pusher (http://gold-silver.us/forum/showthread.php?55074-Gwen-Olsen-Confessions-of-an-Rx-Drug-Pusher)


stunning stats about .mil psych drug 'scrips at the opening of this show. Like mil rate 30x greater than general pop. New recruits given scripts fresh out of basic training, "preventatively". Mil suicides exceeded combat deaths since 2012. more...

280,000 infants < 12 mos old now being prescribed anti-depressant/phychotic drugs by their GPs.
1 MM children < 5 yrs old on psych drugs
83 mins comm free:

Spingola Speaks 2014.02.11 (http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2014/02/spingola-speaks-20140211.html)





Guest: Dr. Linda Lagemann (http://www.drlagemann.com/), a Licensed Clinical Psychologist who closed her practice in August 2013 to devote herself full-time to efforts to reform the mental health field joins Deanna today to talk about the drugging of America’s children and the psychiatric drugging of the military. Please visit The DSM Controversy (http://www.dsmcontroversy.com/) which she will update with educational information about the state of the field and the impact on the public.

News Page (http://mynewspage.wordpress.com/websites/deanna-spingola/)
Deanna's site (http://www.spingola.com/radio_schedule.html)
Official chat room (http://spingola.chatango.com/)
Spingola Speaks .Info (http://spingolaspeaks.info/)

Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/4q8k4pvskt/Spingola.Speaks.Dr.Linda.Lagemann.2014.02.11.mp3)


Couple recent podcasts. Descriptions mention Ft. Hood shooting (which Dr. K/nodisinfo.com calls another hoax (http://nodisinfo.com/)...), but the shows are mostly about psychotropics, just passing quickly over the Ft. Hood 'event'.

Rense:
Listen (http://www.talkshoe.com/resources/talkshoe/images/swf/lastEpisodePlayer.swf?fileUrl=http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/12l6kpzlcj/Rense.20140407.2of3.mp3) Download (http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/12l6kpzlcj/Rense.20140407.2of3.mp3) Hour 2 - Ann Blake-Tracy (http://www.drugawareness.org/) - Ft Hood...Yet Another SSRI Mass Shooting

Spingola:
Deanna's guest is Dr. Linda Lagemann (http://www.drlagemann.com) who will be discussing the Fort Hood shooting, the film, The Hidden Enemy (http://www.cchr.org/documentaries/the-hidden-enemy.html), and the psychiatric drugging (http://www.cchrint.org) of the military. Download (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/americanfreepress/2014/04/08/the-spingola-zone.mp3?localembed=download)

[vacuum]

I haven't watched this, but here's a video of 5 cops beating a guy do death during a traffic stop.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrzoWqAkSM


Footage of Imperial Cops Murdering a Veteran Over Traffic Stop. Tommy Yancy, 32, father of two, was savagely beaten to death by five law enforcement officers during a routine traffic stop near the city of Imperial on Mother's Day. Yancy, served in Afghanistan and Iraq following the 9/11 attacks.

[midnight rambler]

I haven't watched this, but here's a video of 5 cops beating a guy do death during a traffic stop.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrzoWqAkSM


Footage of Imperial Cops Murdering a Veteran Over Traffic Stop. Tommy Yancy, 32, father of two, was savagely beaten to death by five law enforcement officers during a routine traffic stop near the city of Imperial on Mother's Day. Yancy, served in Afghanistan and Iraq following the 9/11 attacks.

Survived the sandbox yet was unable to survive an encounter with America's finest. Further proof that one is far more likely to be killed by a cop than by some scary mooslem terra-ist.

[Cebu_4_2]

Survived the sandbox yet was unable to survive an encounter with America's finest. Further proof that one is far more likely to be killed by a cop than by some scary mooslem terra-ist.

Now that brings it home, unbelievable.