100 years of dog breeding

[vacuum]

Crazy....


Source: http://dogbehaviorscience.wordpress.com/2012/09/29/100-years-of-breed-improvement/


Bull Terrier

https://i.imgur.com/j9rFJUP.jpg
It seems incredible that at one time the Bull Terrier was a handsome, athletic dog. Somewhere along its journey to a mutated skull and thick abdomen the bull terrier also picked up a number of other maladies like supernumerary teeth and compulsive tail-chasing.

Basset Hound

https://i.imgur.com/gJLfKhW.jpg
The Basset Hound has gotten lower, has suffered changes to its rear leg structure, has excessive skin, vertebra problems, droopy eyes prone to entropion and ectropion and excessively large ears.

Boxer

https://i.imgur.com/jUL7XeA.jpg
A shorter face means a host of problems. The modern Boxer not only has a shorter face but the muzzle is slightly upturned. The boxer – like all bracecyphalic dogs – has difficulty controlling its temperature in hot weather, the inability to shed heat places limits on physical performance. It also has one of the highest cancer rates.

English Bulldog

https://i.imgur.com/Zqi5Vqk.jpg
The English bulldog has come to symbolize all that is wrong with the dog fancy and not without good reason; they suffer from almost every possible disease. A 2004 survey by the Kennel Club found that they die at the median age of 6.25 years (n=180). There really is no such thing as a healthy bulldog. The bulldog’s monstrous proportions make them virtually incapable of mating or birthing without medical intervention.

Dachschund

https://i.imgur.com/bFeXI9d.jpg
The Dachshund used to have functional legs and necks that made sense for their size. Backs and necks have gotten longer, chest jutted forward and legs have shrunk to such proportions that there is barely any clearance between the chest and floor. The dachschund has the highest risk of any breed for intervertebral disc disease which can result in paralysis; they are also prone to achondroplastic related pathologies, PRA and problems with their legs.

German Shepard

https://i.imgur.com/J2vRP56.jpg
The German Shepherd Dog is also a breed that is routinely mentioned when people talk about ruined breeds; maybe because they used to be awesome. In Dogs of All Nations, the GSD is described as a medium-sized dog (25 kg /55 lb), this is a far cry from the angulated, barrel-chested, sloping back, ataxic, 85-pounders (38 kg) we are used to seeing in the conformation ring. There was a time when the GSD could clear a 2.5 meter (8.5 ft) wall; that time is long gone.

Pug

https://i.imgur.com/wQ4puqc.jpg
The Pug is another extreme brachycephalic breed and it has all the problems associated with that trait – high blood pressure, heart problems, low oxygenation, difficulty breathing, tendency to overheat, dentition problems, and skin fold dermatitis. The highly desirable double-curl tail is actually a genetic defect, in more serious forms it leads to paralysis.

St. Bernard

https://i.imgur.com/vrd85Hr.jpg (https://i.imgur.com/vrd85Hr.jpg)
Once a noble working dog, the modern St. Bernard has been oversized, had it’s faced squished in, and bred for abundant skin. You will not see this type of dog working, they can’t handle it as they quickly overheat. The diseases include entropion, ectropion, Stockard’s paralysis, hemophilia, osteosarcoma, aphakia, fibrinogen deficiency.

[Twisted Titan]

Absolute crime against nature.....


Im surprised they didnt mention Dalmatians

Those dogs are absolute mental cases.


Very very sad.

[brosil]

That's what happens when you breed for looks and not function. By the way, the dog labeled a German Shepherd is properly an Alsation. A real German Shepherd is rare now and is a light brown dog of very different looks. I'm 63 and have only seen one in my lifetime.

[Shami-Amourae]

So what dog breeds are healthy/natural?

[midnight rambler]

So what dog breeds are healthy/natural?

The ones which haven't been 'improved' by those who bred dogs strictly for beauty contests/what they think makes for the most aesthetic attributes (in THEIR opinion). The people who do such things are bona fide psychos. I've been fortunate enough to end up with an antique bloodline of dogs which were bred more for working ability (although they're not butt ugly like some American show lines which have no working ability whatsoever).

[Twisted Titan]

You know i remember a article about the football program for the Georgia Bulldogs.

The ORIGINAL Georgia Bulldog was all white and very healthy looking not the monstrosity they have nowadays.

I think they fazed that noble breed out and put the Frankenstein one now.

All the Georgia BD are buried at the school so you can see the timeline into depravity.

[hoarder]

The ones which haven't been 'improved' by those who bred dogs strictly for beauty contests/what they think makes for the most aesthetic attributes (in THEIR opinion). The people who do such things are bona fide psychos. I've been fortunate enough to end up with an antique bloodline of dogs which were bred more for working ability (although they're not butt ugly like some American show lines which have no working ability whatsoever).Like working herding dogs, i.e. Australian Shepards, Heelers, Border Collies. These breeds might also have been bred for "beauty" reasons in recent years, but haven't been subverted much.

[Cebu_4_2]

WTF were they thinking with this? I would probably shoot it instead of waiting for the Pigs.

https://i.imgur.com/j9rFJUP.jpg

[horseshoe3]

That bull terrier looks like he had a botox injection go horribly wrong.

[Cebu_4_2]

It looks deformed... look at it's head! I would feel embarrassed to walk it in public, guess it's cool at dog shows tho.

[7th trump]

That's what happens when you breed for looks and not function. By the way, the dog labeled a German Shepherd is properly an Alsation. A real German Shepherd is rare now and is a light brown dog of very different looks. I'm 63 and have only seen one in my lifetime.

I was under the impression the German shepherd dog was originally a black dog.
I know someone who breeds black Germans for the local police debt...these arent breed for looks but for performance and taking orders...in the german language.
Her original black german (Rommel of all names) was a breed straight from Germany and she doesnt breed this female with any other shepherds.
She made high dollars with this breed.

[7th trump]

WTF were they thinking with this? I would probably shoot it instead of waiting for the Pigs.

https://i.imgur.com/j9rFJUP.jpg

Looks like a cross breed of dog and rabbit.

That first pic is the little racsals dog without the black eye.

[midnight rambler]

these arent breed for looks but for performance and taking orders...in the german language.

What a moronic statement. Dogs don't 'take orders' and working dogs aren't circus animals. lol As for dogs having commands they RESPOND to even grunts or hand signals/body movements or gestures will suffice, it's not necessary for an obedience trained dog to have a verbal command for anything it's required to do (e.g. drug detection dogs can be trained to fake alert on all sorts of stimuli, or in the case of my dogs certain whistles means certain things and snapping my fingers means "Get your ass over here now!"). Dogs can even be trained to respond to verbal commands which sound like absolute gibberish if consistent yet the dog would know exactly what was expected of it upon hearing that gibberish.

"These dogs are bred to understand the German language!" lolololololol

Or in your case Odie, hearing a bell gets you to respond.

ding ding

[7th trump]

What a moronic statement. Dogs don't 'take orders' and working dogs aren't circus animals. lol As for dogs having commands they RESPOND to even grunts or hand signals/body movements or gestures will suffice, it's not necessary for an obedience trained dog to have a verbal command for anything it's required to do (e.g. drug detection dogs can be trained to fake alert on all sorts of stimuli).

"These dogs are bred to understand the German language!" lolololololol

Seems your an expert in everything these days.....however a master of none!

And yes, the cop dogs are purposely kept from hearing the english language for a very good reason.
They are taught commands in german because most criminals cant speak german. Thats deters a criminal from commanding the dog. The dog doesnt understand english to know its being told something.
Sure most dogs will respond to grunts and hand gestures...if thats what their surroundings consist of and thats whats they learned to respond to.........but not these well trained (specifically trained) cop dogs......thats why they go for tens of thousands of dollars. They dont respond to noises tey dont recognize....that why this lady trains them in the German language.
Also, as a pup these dog are trained with the officer.

Keep yapping your mouth Midnight....its enjoyable drop kicking your intellect...or lack of intellect and reasoning that is.
Ego's are fun to squash.....especially yours!

[midnight rambler]

Seems your an expert in everything these days

The irony here is that YOU are being the pretend expert. I have nearly 20 years experience with hard core working dogs - hard, very high drive dogs that will come up the leash and eat you if you're unfair with them. You remind me of many of the K-9 cops out there, they think 'cause they acquired a dog from someone who CLAIMS (the perception of reality is more important than reality itself) to have 'high end working dogs' when more often than not they have unstable, non-clear-thinking dogs that bite out of fear and will NOT* out on command. (Hmmm, unstable, not clear-thinking, acting out of fear, and out of control...a perfect fit for most cops these days!)

*ANY competent trainer will tell you that obedience is first and foremost BEFORE training in bite-work (manwork), and if your dog won't out on command you have a really big problem with the dog (either with genetics, training, or both) - the thing is that cops get away with this sort of shit all the time as a matter of course because...they ARE the 'authorities' (while working at the very lowest possible denominator due to their utter incompetence...much like you)

[7th trump]

The irony here is that YOU are being the pretend expert. I have nearly 20 years experience with hard core working dogs - hard, very high drive dogs that will come up the leash and eat you if you're not fair with them. You remind me of many of the K-9 cops out there, they think 'cause they acquired a dog from someone who CLAIMS to have 'high end working dogs' when more often than not they have unstable, non-clear-thinking dogs that bite out of fear and will NOT* out on command.

*ANY competent trainer will tell you that obedience is first and foremost BEFORE training in bite-work (manwork), and if your dog won't out on command you have a really big problem with the dog (either with genetics, training, or both) - the thing is that cops get away with this sort of shit all the time as a matter of course because...they ARE the 'authorities' (while working at the very lowest possible denominator)

I never said I was an expert and I dont have a dog.
All I'm telling you is what I was told from the lady doing the training and from the two leo's I know who have her dogs.
She only breeds dogs for the local police debt...nobody else.

Will eat you if you're not fair with them huh?
Sounds like the dog is not as good as you think they are and you wasted 20 years of your life.....like I say....expert, maybe, but you're not a master.

Sounds to me you dont know what your doing or the dog around you are throw backs......however, this lady sure does. Smart enough to train a dog to the german language and smart enough to train the pup with the leo from the start.
And Rommel didnt take any command from anyone except her....and it was in German.

Thats all I can tell you as thats all I know and witnessed.

[midnight rambler]

All I'm telling you is what I was told from the lady doing the training and from the two leo's I know who have her dogs.

Well there ya go - THAT is the totality of your experience which has created your own perception of "dogs that perform and take orders in the German language". lol Yep, that's a shitload of experience to draw from - one breeder promoting her own dogs and two donut munchers (those who are unable to find honest jobs). According to your own account you yourself have zero experience with these dogs, or any dogs for that matter. That is indeed objective. Thanks for the comic relief.

[7th trump]

http://www.seriousblackgermanshepherds.com/index.html

[7th trump]

Well there ya go - THAT is the totality of your experience which has created your own perception of "dogs that perform and take orders in the German language". lol Yep, that's a shitload of experience to draw from - one breeder promoting her own dogs and two donut munchers (those who are unable to find honest jobs). According to your own account you yourself have zero experience with these dogs, or any dogs for that matter. That is indeed objective. Thanks for the comic relief.

Dont need experience with dogs on a personal level to see what I witnessed....those dogs only responded to german language commands....nothing else!
She would tell Rommel to sit in english and Rommel didnt respond until she said sit in the german language and then Rommel would sit.

Quite ingenious to teach her dogs commands in german...to bad you're not that smart t ofigure tyhat one out.
Maybe if you did your dogs wouldnt be so confused and out of control....to just bite someone!

Loved the injection of donut muncher at every oportunity....it speaks volumes of your socialist agenda driven personality.

[midnight rambler]

Anyone who resorts to naming the website for their dogs 'seriousdogs.com' or some such isn't serious. lol

[7th trump]

Anyone who resorts to naming the website for their dogs 'seriousdogs.com' or some such isn't serious. lol

So you're one of those who judges a book by its cover.........doesnt really surprise me.

[midnight rambler]

Anyone who trains dogs for sport such as ring sport, SchH, etc. as a rule don't train them with English commands. lol Anyone who makes a big deal out of training their dogs in a foreign language obviously hasn't much exposure to working dogs (I'm guessing this woman you speak of lacks much experience at training/working dogs, 'cause IF she did have extensive experience with genuine working dogs she wouldn't be screwing around simply selling dogs to the local PD, she OR her dogs WOULD be (a) *serious* competitor(s) in dog trial sports).

Last year I was fortunate enough to persuade arguably the top breeder in Europe of the bred of working dogs that I have to place one of his female puppies with me. Wow. She is an awesome dog. Her pedigree is as good as it gets, and from the most esteemed breeder of these working dogs in Europe (going back over 45 years) - mention his kennel name and everyone who knows this breed of working dogs (and even those who only know other breeds of working dogs) will say, "Oh yeah, I know who you're talking about, he's produced some exemplary dogs over the years". Does that alone make ME or my dogs 'special'? No. Results make the dogs special*. And there's NOTHING 'special' about convincing the local PD to buy your dogs, but go right on ahead and keep clinging to your cherished delusions.

*anyone who knows anything about dog training will agree that the dog one ends up with is some variation of this:

35-50% genetics
50-65% training, management, and nutrition

ETA: and fwiw anyone who's breeding program puts a physical attribute as the #1 criteria they're breeding for is as clueless as they get when it comes to the breeding of dogs

[7th trump]

Anyone who trains dogs for sport such as ring sport, SchH, etc. as a rule don't train them with English commands. lol Anyone who makes a big deal out of training their dogs in a foreign language obviously hasn't much exposure to working dogs (I'm guessing this woman you speak of lacks much experience at training/working dogs, 'cause IF she did have extensive experience with genuine working dogs she wouldn't be screwing around simply selling dogs to the local PD, she OR her dogs WOULD be (a) *serious* competitor(s) in dog trial sports).

Last year I was fortunate enough to persuade arguably the top breeder in Europe of the bred of working dogs that I have to place one of his female puppies with me. Wow. She is an awesome dog. Her pedigree is as good as it gets, and from the most esteemed breeder of these working dogs in Europe (going back over 45 years) - mention his kennel name and everyone who knows this breed of working dogs (and even those who only know other breeds of working dogs) will say, "Oh yeah, I know who you're talking about, he's produced some exemplary dogs over the years". Does that alone make ME or my dogs 'special'? No. Results make the dogs special*. And there's NOTHING 'special' about convincing the local PD to buy your dogs, but go right on ahead and keep clinging to your cherished delusions.

*anyone who knows anything about dog training will agree that the dog one ends up with is some variation of this:

35-50% genetics
50-65% training, management, and nutrition

ETA: and fwiw anyone who's breeding program puts a physical attribute as the #1 criteria they're breeding for is as clueless as they get when it comes to the breeding of dogs

Wow a lot of projection about someone who you've never met.
Always a charactor assassination with you isnt it....most socialist are that way.
Maybe this gal doesnt want to compete and could careless about ring sport, but only trains dogs one on one?
Hers dogs only see her and the leo the dog is going to be partnered up with.....what a bond between the leo and the dog...true loyalty.
You need to wake up from this stupor you're in and realize you arent shit!

[midnight rambler]

What the German Shepherd Dog (GSD) looked like before the morons of the world began 'improving the looks' which resulted in SERIOUSly fucked up unsound structure (the squatting in the rear end) -

http://www.difossombrone.it/images/storiacane/Horand_disegno.jpg
http://www.webabout.com/gsd/grumpas/images/Horand.bmp

Today's 'preferred' appearance of the GSD -

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQuGZEtbpkUBsU_6-uTj3TpX2PuQG5cp-reBiU0-A_jGW07IpQ7eA

http://www.top10stuffs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Top-10-dangerous-dogs-German-Shepherd.jpg

And guess what - if a GSD breeder made an attempt to breed his dogs and bitches back to the original appearance NO ONE would buy them 'cause "that's not what a GSD is supposed to look like!"

[7th trump]

What the German Shepherd Dog (GSD) looked like before the morons of the world began 'improving the looks' which resulted in SERIOUSly fucked up unsound structure (the squatting in the rear end) -

http://www.difossombrone.it/images/storiacane/Horand_disegno.jpg
http://www.webabout.com/gsd/grumpas/images/Horand.bmp

Today's 'preferred' appearance of the GSD -

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQuGZEtbpkUBsU_6-uTj3TpX2PuQG5cp-reBiU0-A_jGW07IpQ7eA

http://www.top10stuffs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Top-10-dangerous-dogs-German-Shepherd.jpg

And guess what - if a GSD breeder made an attempt to breed his dogs and bitches back to the original appearance NO ONE would buy them 'cause "that's not what a GSD is supposed to look like!"

Seriously?
You think thats a bred in trait now huh?
Hahahahahahaha.....!

Its just a stance they are trained to do.

[midnight rambler]

You are so clueless. This pose is called 'stacked'. It's done to all breeds when taking photos of them - NO other breed is stacked (intentionally posed) like this, it is unique to the GSD. The GSDs bred today cannot stand like those in the B&W images, it's just not possible because of the structure/'standard' they've been bred towards.

[7th trump]

You are so clueless. This pose is called 'stacked'. It's done to all breeds when taking photos of them - NO other breed is stacked (posed) like this, it is unique to the GSD. The GSDs bred today cannot stand like those in the B&W images, it's just not possible because of the structure/'standard' they've been bred towards.

Bullshit....stacking is natural for the GS....and you know this so why are you convoluting?

All dogs at some time will stack...I've seen my brother labs stack when locked on a bird.
Who the fuck are you kidding?

[midnight rambler]

Breeds similar in appearance to the GSD:

Stacked Dutch Shepherds -

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Hollandse_herder_ruwhaar.jpg/220px-Hollandse_herder_ruwhaar.jpg


http://www.dogsportstrainer.com/images/285_SnapPremier2009-2web.jpg

The above photo is of a bona fide stacked Dutchie since it was for a dog show result.

Stacked Belgian Malinois -

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7erZFtP_NDhobysZGfGw2PPQ60PnwE mC8euzqAOJEv92Xiz2EuQ

http://www.skirmantas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/Krash-Stack-2.jpg

http://www.chercarkennels.net/images/385_Dooley-web,DSC_8508.jpg

http://content.sitezoogle.com/u/22156/eed7f43baedabc8217d41970c6240e1e36492a16/photo/685488.jpg?1361623467

The Mal in the above photo is a bona fide example of an intentionally stacked Mal.

For reference, these dogs are NOT stacked -

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-kR6r4pH2nI8/SeesFG9S7vI/AAAAAAABWec/4RKrDheG5VA/s800/h111007-1.jpg

http://static.gotpetsonline.com/pictures-gallery/dog-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/dutch-shepherd-pictures-breeders-puppies-rescue/pictures/dutch-shepherd-0015.jpg

You're not going to find any photos of the Mal or Dutchie stacked (intentionally posed) in the same position as a stacked GSD. Modern GSDs are intentionally bred to all be able to strike that same lameass squatting in the rear pose - if they don't have that 'look' they just don't get bred.

What IS it that motivates you to persist in looking so foolish ALL THE TIME?? ???

[gunDriller]

this is not meant to be sexist ... but i couldn't resist ! :)

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/04/03/t1larg.nancy-pelosi-clinton.t1larg.jpg

Hillary's 60+ and Pelosi's 70+ so i guess between the 2 of them there's 130+ years.

[midnight rambler]

this is not meant to be sexist ... but i couldn't resist ! :)


Hillary's 60+ and Pelosi's 70+ so i guess between the 2 of them there's 130+ years.

Calling those two dogs is an insult to dogs everywhere, no matter how homely or ugly.

[gunDriller]

Calling those two dogs is an insult to dogs everywhere, no matter how homely or ugly.

i agree. i was going to add - i like dogs.


i can only hope that the Canine Gods will forgive me.


i'd rather be slobbered on than have a Pelosi who is too lazy to do her job.


now here is a guaranteed buzz-kill ... imagine a pResident Hillary.


we will now return to more noble programming with a picture of a prize-winning dachshund

http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2013/January/130124/1C5708530-tdy_roker_dog_120912.blocks_desktop_large.jpg

an obese dachshund. it doesn't win an award you would want your dog to win.

[midnight rambler]

For Donald Trump, these are bona fide stacked GSD show dogs - compare these to the bona fide stacked Mal and Dutchie show dogs posted earlier. No wonder the GSD breed is plagued by bad hips these days, this is so unnatural -

http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/509439.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsnytauKeFa8AYEEGtIMKWzjuRNItuf ftCPK8ByS-CrYxHScBy

Although Donald Trump is so full of himself and so full of shit* I doubt that he's able to keep from further demonstrating what a gigantic fool he is.

*as if there's a distinction lol

[Serpo]

The elite are meant to be pedigree but that of course brings many inbreeding problems .......

[7th trump]

For Donald Trump, these are bona fide stacked GSD show dogs - compare these to the bona fide stacked Mal and Dutchie show dogs posted earlier. No wonder the GSD breed is plagued by bad hips these days, this is so unnatural -

http://cdn.pedigreedatabase.com/pictures/509439.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSsnytauKeFa8AYEEGtIMKWzjuRNItuf ftCPK8ByS-CrYxHScBy

Although Donald Trump is so full of himself and so full of shit* I doubt that he's able to keep from further demonstrating what a gigantic fool he is.

*as if there's a distinction lol

So what you're saying is these pictured dogs walk in that stance all the time?
Because they are bred that way?
Bahahahahahaha.........

Let me tell you those black GS cop dogs I seen didn't look like that...and I doubt you could get them in that stance if you tried. They were alert and obedient and with one german word would take a stance of what looked like a wolf about ready to pounce....head down and the legs in position to leap into a sprint.....defensive position.

But anyway you must be the all knowing eye knowing everything there is to know even when not there....hahahahahaha...!

[midnight rambler]

Donald, you really are drawn to making yourself look like a fool much like a moth is attracted to a flame, aren't you?


So what you're saying is these pictured dogs walk in that stance all the time?

I never said that nor even remotely implied that. I said the modern GSD has been bred in a way so as to facilitate them being 'stacked' (intentionally posed) the way they appear in the photos. I said absolutely nothing about the way the GSD walks, I was only commenting on the very abnormal structure they are being bred for and that very abnormal structure is just plain unsound (leading to very common hip problems in the GSD).

I have to wonder what sort of brain damage you've suffered and/or what meds you take when I see you post the batshit crazy shit you do. Or is it as simple as you're just retarded?