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Ares
13th May 2014, 07:34 PM
Does the economy move in predictable waves, cycles or patterns? There are many economists that believe that it does, and if their projections are correct, the rest of this decade is going to be pure hell for the United States. Many mainstream economists want nothing to do with economic cycle theorists, but it should be noted that economic cycle theories have enabled some analysts to correctly predict the timing of recessions, stock market peaks and stock market crashes over the past couple of decades. Of course none of the theories discussed below is perfect, but it is very interesting to note that all of them seem to indicate that the U.S. economy is about to enter a major downturn. So will the period of 2015 to 2020 turn out to be pure hell for the United States? We will just have to wait and see.

One of the most prominent economic cycle theories is known as "the Kondratieff wave". It was developed by a Russian economist named Nikolai Kondratiev, and as Wikipedia has noted, his economic theories got him into so much trouble with the Russian government that he was eventually executed because of them...

The Soviet economist Nikolai Kondratiev (also written Kondratieff) was the first to bring these observations to international attention in his book The Major Economic Cycles (1925) alongside other works written in the same decade. Two Dutch economists, Jacob van Gelderen and Samuel de Wolff, had previously argued for the existence of 50 to 60 year cycles in 1913. However, the work of de Wolff and van Gelderen has only recently been translated from Dutch to reach a wider audience.



Kondratiev's ideas were not supported by the Soviet government. Subsequently he was sent to the gulag and was executed in 1938.



In 1939, Joseph Schumpeter suggested naming the cycles "Kondratieff waves" in his honor.

In recent years, there has been a resurgence of interest in the Kondratieff wave. The following is an excerpt from an article by Christopher Quigley that discussed how this theory works...

Kondratiev's analysis described how international capitalism had gone through many such "great depressions" and as such were a normal part of the international mercantile credit system. The long term business cycles that he identified through meticulous research are now called "Kondratieff" cycles or "K" waves.



The K wave is a 60 year cycle (+/- a year or so) with internal phases that are sometimes characterized as seasons: spring, summer, autumn and winter:

Spring phase: a new factor of production, good economic times, rising inflation
Summer: hubristic 'peak' war followed by societal doubts and double digit inflation
Autumn: the financial fix of inflation leads to a credit boom which creates a false plateau of prosperity that ends in a speculative bubble
Winter: excess capacity worked off by massive debt repudiation, commodity deflation & economic depression. A 'trough' war breaks psychology of doom.

Increasingly economic academia has come to realize the brilliant insight of Nikolai Kondratiev and accordingly there have been many reports, articles, theses and books written on the subject of this "cyclical" phenomenon. An influential essay, written by Professor W. Thompson of Indiana University, has indicated that K waves have influenced world technological development since the 900's. His thesis states that "modern" economic development commenced in 930AD in the Sung province of China and he propounds that since this date there have been 18 K waves lasting on average 60 years.

So what does the Kondratieff wave theory suggest is coming next for us?

Well, according to work done by Professor W. Thompson of Indiana University, we are heading into an economic depression that should last until about the year 2020...

Based on Professor Thompson's analysis long K cycles have nearly a thousand years of supporting evidence. If we accept the fact that most winters in K cycles last 20 years (as outlined in the chart above) this would indicate that we are about halfway through the Kondratieff winter that commenced in the year 2000. Thus in all probability we will be moving from a "recession" to a "depression" phase in the cycle about the year 2013 and it should last until approximately 2017-2020.

But of course the Kondratieff wave is far from the only economic cycle theory that indicates that we are heading for an economic depression.

The economic cycle theories of author Harry Dent also predict that we are on the verge of massive economic problems. He mainly focuses on demographics, and the fact that our population is rapidly getting older is a major issue for him. The following is an excerpt from a Business Insider article that summarizes the major points that Dent makes in his new book...

Young people cause inflation because they "cost everything and produce nothing." But young people eventually "begin to pay off when they enter the workforce and become productive new workers (supply) and higher-spending consumers (demand)."
Unfortunately, the U.S. reached its demographic "peak spending" from 2003-2007 and is headed for the "demographic cliff." Germany, England, Switzerland are all headed there too. Then China will be the first emerging market to fall off the cliff, albeit in a few decades. The world is getting older.
The U.S. stock market will crash. "Our best long-term and intermediate cycles suggest another slowdown and stock crash accelerating between very early 2014 and early 2015, and possibly lasting well into 2015 or even 2016. The worst economic trends due to demographics will hit between 2014 and 2019. The U.S. economy is likely to suffer a minor or major crash by early 2015 and another between late 2017 and late 2019 or early 2020 at the latest."
"The everyday consumer never came out of the last recession." The rich are the ones feeling great and spending money, as asset prices (not wages) are aided by monetary stimulus.
The U.S. and Europe are headed in the same direction as Japan, a country still in a "coma economy precisely because it never let its debt bubble deleverage," Dent argues. "The only way we will not follow in Japan's footsteps is if the Federal Reserve stops printing new money."
"The reality is stark, when dyers start to outweigh buyers, the market changes." It all comes down to an aging population, Dent writes. "Fewer spenders, borrowers, and investors will be around to participate in the next boom."
The U.S. has a crazy amount of debt and "economists and politicians have acted like we can just wave a magic wand of endless monetary injections and bailouts and get over what they see as a short-term crisis." But the problem, Dent says, is long-term and structural — demographics.
Businesses can "dominate the years to come" by focusing on cash and cash flow, being "lean and mean," deferring major capital expenditures, selling nonstrategic real estate, and firing weak employees now.
The big four challenges in the years ahead will be 1) private and public debt 2) health care and retirement entitlements 3) authoritarian governance around the globe and 4) environmental pollution that threatens the global economy.

According to Dent, "You need to prepare for that crisis, which will occur between 2014 and 2023, with the worst likely starting in 2014 and continuing off and on into late 2019."

So just like the Kondratieff wave, Dent's work indicates that we are going to experience a major economic crisis by the end of this decade.

Another economic cycle theory that people are paying more attention to these days is the relationship between sun spot cycles and the stock market. It turns out that market peaks often line up very closely with peaks in sun spot activity. This is a theory that was first popularized by an English economist named William Stanley Jevons.

Sun spot activity appears to have peaked in early 2014 and is projected to decline for the rest of the decade. If historical trends hold up, that is a very troubling sign for the stock market.

And of course there are many, many other economic cycle theories that seem to indicate that trouble is ahead for the United States as well. The following is a summary of some of them from an article by GE Christenson and Taki Tsaklanos...

Charles Nenner Research (source)
Stocks should peak in mid-2013 and fall until about 2020. Similarly, bonds should peak in the summer of 2013 and fall thereafter for 20 years. He bases his conclusions entirely on cycle research. He expects the Dow to fall to around 5,000 by 2018 – 2020.



Kress Cycles (Clif Droke) (source)
The major 120 year cycle plus all minor cycles trend down into late 2014. The stock market should decline hard into late 2014.



Elliott Wave (Robert Prechter) (source)
He believes that the stock market has peaked and has entered a generational bear-market. He anticipates a crash low in the market around 2016 – 2017.



Market Energy Waves (source)
He sees a 36 year cycle in stock markets that is peaking in mid-2013 and will cycle down for 2013 – 2016. “… the controlling energy wave is scheduled to flip back to negative on July 19 of this year.” Equity markets should drop 25 – 50%.



Armstrong Economics (source)
His economic confidence model projects a peak in confidence in August 2013, a bottom in September 2014, and another peak in October 2015. The decline into January 2020 should be severe. He expects a world-wide crash and contraction in economies from 2015 – 2020.



Cycles per Charles Hugh Smith (source)
He discusses four long-term cycles that bottom in the 2010 – 2020 period. They are: Credit expansion/contraction cycle, Price inflation/wage cycle, Generational cycle, and Peak oil extraction cycle.

So does history repeat itself?

Well, it should be disconcerting to a lot of people that 2014 is turning out to be eerily similar to 2007. But we never learned the lessons that we should have learned from the last major economic crisis, and most Americans are way too apathetic to notice that we are making many of the very same mistakes all over again.

And in recent months there have been a whole host of indications that the next major economic downturn is just around the corner. For example, just this week we learned that manufacturing job openings have declined for four months in a row. For many more indicators like this, please see my previous article entitled "17 Facts To Show To Anyone That Believes That The U.S. Economy Is Just Fine".

Let's hope that all of the economic cycle theories discussed above are wrong this time, but we would be quite foolish to ignore their warnings.

Everything indicates that a great economic storm is rapidly approaching, and we should use this time of relative calm to get prepared while we still can.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-13/if-economic-cycle-theorists-are-correct-2015-2020-will-be-devastating-us

singular_me
13th May 2014, 08:29 PM
just remove the "if"

Economic Cycle Theorists Are Correct, 2015 To 2020 Will Be Devastating For The US

Hitch
13th May 2014, 09:23 PM
2020 sounds good to me. That means another 6 years to keep prepping.

2015, sounds a little too close, we have been saying doom is 6 months away for the past 6 years.

Relax....doom is 6 years away now, 2020. Take the vacation you've been wanting to take.

Serpo
14th May 2014, 04:08 AM
Between six minutes and six years exactly........

Silver Rocket Bitches!
14th May 2014, 07:16 AM
This time table also falls in line with the Fourth Turning prediction of 2015 as a time of major upheaval. We're looking at 7 year waves. Fall of 2001 - attack on wtc/pentagon, fall of 2008 - collapse of debt based economy, fall of 2015 - ???

Spectrism
14th May 2014, 07:28 AM
This time table also falls in line with the Fourth Turning prediction of 2015 as a time of major upheaval. We're looking at 7 year waves. Fall of 2001 - attack on wtc/pentagon, fall of 2008 - collapse of debt based economy, fall of 2015 - ???

Yes- there are a few thing lining up as different cycles converge. I have been watching for 15 years certain laser beam convergences coming. It is a little like trying to find the end of a rainbow- the location depends upon the perception of the viewer. But now we have multiple rainbows that point to a mega-convergence.

I still stand by 2018 as being the absolute latest that this era will survive to. It is more likely that we will see such calamities in 2015 and 2016 that we won't see 2018. All we need to do is chart the increases of odd things....

animal deaths
strange weather
earthquakes
volcanoes
solar and lunar events
fireballs from the sky
deadly disease pandemics
famine & pestilences
increase of corruption everywhere
demonic activity
major wars and posturing for wars

and a few more. But anyone who wants the truth will be able to discern it.

Santa
14th May 2014, 08:28 AM
If Economic Cycle Theorists Are Correct, it stands to reason that if all systems are cyclic in nature, which indeed they are... including man made systems, then
this leads to the fatalistic supposition that since Man's nature is cyclic, then Man himself lives under a sort of "cherished delusion" that he actually has individual free will.

Spectrism
14th May 2014, 08:32 AM
If Economic Cycle Theorists Are Correct, it stands to reason that if all systems are cyclic in nature, which indeed they are... including man made systems, then
this leads to the fatalistic supposition that since Man's nature is cyclic, then Man himself lives under a sort of "cherished delusion" that he actually has individual free will.

That is like saying a child on a merry-go-round does not have a choice to scratch his nose while he rides the plastic pony.

Carl
14th May 2014, 09:40 AM
Always "next year" collapse.... I've been waiting on "next year" collapse since 1986...

Spectrism
14th May 2014, 03:08 PM
Always "next year" collapse.... I've been waiting on "next year" collapse since 1986...

OK... this time I really, really, really mean it. Collapse is coming in 6 months. At least that big bridge collapse and oh.... that tunnel under the bay.... and that city block that nobody expected to have a sinkhole swallow up.

Santa
14th May 2014, 06:00 PM
That is like saying a child on a merry-go-round does not have a choice to scratch his nose while he rides the plastic pony.

Yes, exactly, but having the choice to scratch one's nose doesn't really change the destination or outcome while on a plastic pony ride.
Of course, every living thing has the free will to react to stimuli such as scratching an itch, if you think of that as free will,
but believing that you actually alter the course of the plastic pony by scratching your nose is what I mean by "cherished delusion".

mick silver
14th May 2014, 06:28 PM
all of this has already taken place ..............animal deaths
strange weather
earthquakes
volcanoes
solar and lunar events
fireballs from the sky
deadly disease pandemics
famine & pestilences
increase of corruption everywhere
demonic activity
major wars and posturing for wars

Spectrism
14th May 2014, 06:54 PM
all of this has already taken place ..............animal deaths
strange weather
earthquakes
volcanoes
solar and lunar events
fireballs from the sky
deadly disease pandemics
famine & pestilences
increase of corruption everywhere
demonic activity
major wars and posturing for wars

You ain't seen nothing yet. Stuff will get surreal. When you begin to say "ain't never seen nuthin like that before", then you will know it is time.



Yes, exactly, but having the choice to scratch one's nose doesn't really change the destination or outcome while on a plastic pony ride.
Of course, every living thing has the free will to react to stimuli such as scratching an itch, if you think of that as free will,
but believing that you actually alter the course of the plastic pony by scratching your nose is what I mean by "cherished delusion".

You are on a spinning globe flying through space. Just because you can't stop the globe from spinning or flying through space does not mean you have no choices. The grand delusion was sold to mankind in the beginning when he was told that he could be like God. Those who think they need to have God's powers before they have any choice are under that delusion.

Exercising free choice is over-rated.

Spectrism
24th August 2015, 07:14 AM
2020 sounds good to me. That means another 6 years to keep prepping.

2015, sounds a little too close, we have been saying doom is 6 months away for the past 6 years.

Relax....doom is 6 years away now, 2020. Take the vacation you've been wanting to take.

Sorry, but time is almost out. We are entering the beginning of the end and doom is less than 6 months away. It will start like a cancer that will hit certain places and spread rapidly. Soon it will seem that nothing is normal and somebody let hell out of its cave. And that will be true. The devil and millions of his minions are given authority to afflict mankind and I see that well under way.



Yes- there are a few thing lining up as different cycles converge. I have been watching for 15 years certain laser beam convergences coming. It is a little like trying to find the end of a rainbow- the location depends upon the perception of the viewer. But now we have multiple rainbows that point to a mega-convergence.

I still stand by 2018 as being the absolute latest that this era will survive to. It is more likely that we will see such calamities in 2015 and 2016 that we won't see 2018. All we need to do is chart the increases of odd things....

animal deaths
strange weather
earthquakes
volcanoes
solar and lunar events
fireballs from the sky
deadly disease pandemics
famine & pestilences
increase of corruption everywhere
demonic activity
major wars and posturing for wars

and a few more. But anyone who wants the truth will be able to discern it.

As the tower of Babel was stopped by confusion on the people, so will the worst technologies be undermined. But the cure will be deadly to most. From now on, the only good day was yesterday and the gods of this world will be shown as cruel masters.

expat4ever
24th August 2015, 01:03 PM
Shemitah. The 7 year jewish cycle. 2015,2008,2001,1994,1987 ect..

Serpo
24th August 2015, 01:18 PM
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Sparky
24th August 2015, 09:39 PM
This time table also falls in line with the Fourth Turning prediction of 2015 as a time of major upheaval. We're looking at 7 year waves. Fall of 2001 - attack on wtc/pentagon, fall of 2008 - collapse of debt based economy, fall of 2015 - ???

The surviving Fourth Turning Author has indicated that the Fourth Turning most likely began in 2008, and will probably last 20-25 years. That means it will end 2028-2033. 2015 ain't Jack. 2015-2020 won't be devastating. 2020-2030 might be.

We're always too fast on doom.

vacuum
24th August 2015, 11:17 PM
The surviving Fourth Turning Author has indicated that the Fourth Turning most likely began in 2008, and will probably last 20-25 years. That means it will end 2028-2033. 2015 ain't Jack. 2015-2020 won't be devastating. 2020-2030 might be.

We're always too fast on doom.

Interesting dates here.

It would be extremely unfortunate if this happens as well:
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-irregular-heartbeat-sun-driven-dynamo.html

In short, the sun could hit historically low output levels in the 2030s. Which would of course cause famines, etc. This is predicted by a scientific model which matches 97% of historical solar activity.