California Drought

[EE_]

Is it really that bad?

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/California-Drought-2014.png

[milehi]

Today, the swim beach at Lake Castaic closed. Silverwood Lake down the road from me is full. Ground water around here is fine. So far.

[Dogman]

Today, the swim beach at Lake Castaic closed. Silverwood Lake down the road from me is full. Ground water around here is fine. So far.

Seeing silverwood is fed by the aqueduct system that some would call taking from peter to pay Paul, which is L.A.

Yes it would be full, until Peter is broke then the fun will begins for L.A.

Bet there is going to be a bigger push for desalination plants very soon.

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[Shami-Amourae]

Seeing silverwood is fed by the aqueduct system that some would call taking from peter to pay Paul, which is L.A.

Yes it would be full, until Peter is broke then the fun will begins for L.A.

Bet there is going to be a bigger push for desalination plants very soon.

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Those will be protested too by all the retarded Leftists. They will complain of Global Warming since of all the electricity usage.

More power plants would be needed to power desalinization plants, and those will get protested no matter what form they come in.

California is such a giant clusterfuck and it has so many cracks in it. It will implode completely and there's going to be a ton of rioting and killing. Get the fuck out while you can.

[Dogman]

Those will be protested too by all the retarded Leftists. They will complain of Global Warming since of all the electricity usage.

More power plants would be needed to power desalinization plants, and those will get protested no matter what form they come in.

California is such a giant clusterfuck and it has so many cracks in it. It will implode completely and there's going to be a ton of rioting and killing. Get the fuck out while you can.

Catch 22

;)

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[Hitch]

EE, this very surprising to me. I'm in the D4 area of exceptional drought. We've had some decent rains here, and everything is green. Based up what we see, you'd never know there was a drought at all. Still lot's of local produce and that produce is still very inexpensive. 79 cents a pound for tomatoes, strawberries, 4 nice large artichokes for $3. Onions 89 cents a pound. Two big heads of lettuce for $1.

I would think if things were really that bad, prices for produce would go up. Just a local report.

[Shami-Amourae]

Feinstein Blasts Environmentalists on Drought


California Sen. Dianne Feinstein blasted (http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Feinstein-Environmentalists-no-help-on-5481560.php?cmpid=hp-hc-bayarea) environmental groups standing in the way of legislation she wants passed that would help California farms deal with the severe drought in the state.

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-California/2014/05/16/Feinstein-Blasts-Environmentalists-on-Drought

[singular_me]

EE, I just ran across this...

18 February 2014 Last updated at 19:40 ET

California drought: Why farmers are 'exporting water' to China

The farmers are making hay while the year-round sun shines, and they are exporting cattle-feed to China.

The southern Imperial Valley, which borders Mexico, draws its water from the Colorado river along the blue liquid lifeline of the All American Canal.

It brings the desert alive with hundreds of hectares of lush green fields - much of it alfalfa hay, a water-hungry but nutritious animal feed which once propped up the dairy industry here, and is now doing a similar job in China.

"A hundred billion gallons of water per year is being exported in the form of alfalfa from California," argues Professor Robert Glennon from Arizona College of Law.

"It's a huge amount. It's enough for a year's supply for a million families - it's a lot of water, particularly when you're looking at the dreadful drought throughout the south-west."

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26124989

[Ponce]

Already told the guy across from me that if he wanted my water he would have to work one day a week cleaning my yard and doing repairs, I am to old to do all that crap, he said ok.

V

[Neuro]

Already told the guy across from me that if he wanted my water he would have to work one day a week cleaning my yard and doing repairs, I am to old to do all that crap, he said ok.

V
H2Oist pig!

[Kali]

In D3 here. Central Valley. Things are fine. Farmers getting their water.

[Dogman]

Already told the guy across from me that if he wanted my water he would have to work one day a week cleaning my yard and doing repairs, I am to old to do all that crap, he said ok.

V


H2Oist pig!

Wonder who beats the drum to set the pace?

Ponce the water lord, is in charge!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax7wcShvrus

At least until the creek runs dry! :o

;D

[singular_me]

man made drought for the sake of profits, mainly fracking combined with geoengineering, to have another consequence?

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Large-scale water consumption in California may trigger earthquakes
May 31, 2014 by: J. D. Heyes
Tags: groundwater, earthquakes, human activity

(NaturalNews) For many years, scientists and geologists have wondered about which forces are responsible for continually elevating California's mighty Sierra Nevada and central coastal ranges, which have caused an increase in the number of earthquakes in the central part of the state.

Recently, the Los Angeles Times reported, a group of scientists offered a new and intriguing theory: the quakes are being caused, at least in part, by pumping groundwater into the Central Valley.

If the weight is removed, then the earth moves upward, but it is a change in pressure that can trigger additional small earthquakes.

"It reduces the forces that are keeping the fault clamped together - leading to more small earthquakes during dry periods of time," Colin B. Amos, assistant professor of geology at Western Washington University, the lead author of the study, told the paper.

"During wet periods of time when the fault is loaded down, the forces that are keeping the fault clamped down are greater. It inhibits the sliding of the fault," he added.

"Over the long term, because we're losing more groundwater, it could give rise to more seismicity by reducing these overall forces," Amos said. "Our model of what the groundwater is doing might explain those two things: showing that humans may have a hand in changing the state of stress on the fault, and therefore, rates of small earthquakes over time."

The Central Valley region has slowly depleted its supply of groundwater since the mid-1800s, to feed crops grown by scores of farmers and to quench the thirst of millions in cities. In addition, irrigation has led to the loss of Tulare Lake, which was once the largest fresh-water body west of the Mississippi River. Since those times, reserve groundwater in the Central Valley has lost some 38 cubic miles of water, which is enough to drain Lake Tahoe, the world's 27th largest lake.

The U.S. Geological Survey says that some 20 percent of the nation's groundwater comes from aquifers in and around the Central Valley, making the region the second-most-pumped system in the country. Because of the abundance of water and favorable climate, the Central Valley produces about a quarter of the country's food, including 40 percent of the fruits and nuts consumed.


Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/045372_groundwater_earthquakes_human_activity.html #ixzz33OtVRa2k

[Ponce]

Hey Pluto?, I need another guard dog........need any water? HAHHAHAAHAHAHAH.

V

[Dogman]

Hey Pluto?, I need another guard dog........need any water? HAHHAHAAHAHAHAH.

V

Nope!

Gotta plenty here!

Over 15 lakes within 30 miles, not to mention the one I can walk to from my front door in maybe 3 min,s!

Good fishing!

:)

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[Shami-Amourae]

With NASA scientists warning about California only having one year of water left, (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-13/nasa-scientist-warns-california-has-one-year-water-left) it appears The Kardashians and March Madness continue to distract Americans from the ugly looming reality of water shortages. With summer around the corner, the US Drought Minitoring service reports today that a stunning 99.85% of California is "abnormally dry," and 98.11% of the state is in drought conditions leaving over 37 million people in harm's way.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/03-overflow/20150326_cali1.jpg (http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2015/03-overflow/20150326_cali1.jpg)

As we concluded previously, (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-13/nasa-scientist-warns-california-has-one-year-water-left)
Right now the state has only about one year of water supply left in its reservoirs, and our strategic backup supply, groundwater, is rapidly disappearing. California has no contingency plan for a persistent drought like this one (let alone a 20-plus-year mega-drought), except, apparently, staying in emergency mode and praying for rain.
In short, we have no paddle to navigate this crisis.
Several steps need be taken right now.
First, immediate mandatory water rationing should be authorized across all of the state's water sectors, from domestic and municipal through agricultural and industrial. The Metropolitan Water District of Southern California is already considering water rationing by the summer unless conditions improve. There is no need for the rest of the state to hesitate. The public is ready. A recent Field Poll showed that 94% of Californians surveyed believe that the drought is serious, and that one-third support mandatory rationing.

Second, the implementation of the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act of 2014 should be accelerated. The law requires the formation of numerous, regional groundwater sustainability agencies by 2017. Then each agency must adopt a plan by 2022 and “achieve sustainability” 20 years after that. At that pace, it will be nearly 30 years before we even know what is working. By then, there may be no groundwater left to sustain.

Third, the state needs a task force of thought leaders that starts, right now, brainstorming to lay the groundwork for long-term water management strategies. Although several state task forces have been formed in response to the drought, none is focused on solving the long-term needs of a drought-prone, perennially water-stressed California.


Our state's water management is complex, but the technology and expertise exist to handle this harrowing future. It will require major changes in policy and infrastructure that could take decades to identify and act upon. Today, not tomorrow, is the time to begin.

Finally, the public must take ownership of this issue. This crisis belongs to all of us — not just to a handful of decision-makers. Water is our most important, commonly owned resource, but the public remains detached from discussions and decisions.

This process works just fine when water is in abundance. In times of crisis, however, we must demand that planning for California's water security be an honest, transparent and forward-looking process. Most important, we must make sure that there is in fact a plan.


Call me old-fashioned, but I'd like to live in a state that has a paddle so that it might also still have a creek.

[madfranks]

Rationing is not the answer. Quit fucking around with the price of water and let the market bring the price up so it's too expensive to waste anymore. As long as the cost of water is subsidized and artificially suppressed, folks are still going to turn on their hoses and water their lawns, fill their pools, take long showers, etc. When water rises 10x, 20x or more, people will conserve and the higher prices will incentivize businesses to find ways to bring more water to CA to capture some profit. The article above says the only answers are rationing, or praying for rain. He's retarded.

Response to article above here: http://teapartyeconomist.com/2015/03/14/rationing-the-bureaucrats-solution/

[EE_]

Rationing is not the answer. Quit fucking around with the price of water and let the market bring the price up so it's too expensive to waste anymore. As long as the cost of water is subsidized and artificially suppressed, folks are still going to turn on their hoses and water their lawns, fill their pools, take long showers, etc. When water rises 10x, 20x or more, people will conserve and the higher prices will incentivize businesses to find ways to bring more water to CA to capture some profit. The article above says the only answers are rationing, or praying for rain. He's retarded.


Don't you mean "too expensive" the average person won't be able to afford it?

As far as using water, I've lived in cities during periods of drought, (Arizona being one of them) where water use was asked to be conserved, along with watering bans and policing of any water that runs into the street.

I consider my home to be a business/investment, just like a golf cource or luxury resort. I've never considered conserving water to be a good citizen and didn't.

I would have been glad to do my part equally if everyone else did the same. What I noticed during these bans, the golf cources were always lush, the resorts were spraying water everywhere, fountains etc.

It really came down to common people were the only ones conserving while the luxury industries used even more.

If you want me to conserve, show me everyone is willing to conserve.
Until then, it's nice long hot showers, lush gardens/lawns and clean cars for me!

We live in a country of "fuck em, I've got mine"

[madfranks]

Don't you mean "too expensive" the average person won't be able to afford it?

They'll be able to afford what they need, but they won't be able to afford to waste it, which is the whole point. Artificially cheap water causes people to not value it as much. When they don't value it, they have no problem wasting it.


As far as using water, I've lived in cities during periods of drought, (Arizona being one of them) where water use was asked to be conserved, along with watering bans and policing of any water that runs into the street.

Do you support bans on water use? A.K.A threats of force against those who won't stop using water? Why not let the price of water rise, and folks will naturally use less? Letting prices rise is the only PEACEFUL way to reduce water use. Rationing and bans are all backed up by threats of force from the state.


I consider my home to be a business/investment, just like a golf cource or luxury resort. I've never considered conserving water to be a good citizen and didn't.

I would have been glad to do my part equally if everyone else did the same. What I noticed during these bans, the golf cources were always lush, the resorts were spraying water everywhere, fountains etc.

It really came down to common people were the only ones conserving while the luxury industries used even more.

If you want me to conserve, show me everyone is willing to conserve.
Until then, it's nice long hot showers, lush gardens/lawns and clean cars for me!

We live in a country of "fuck em, I've got mine"

There will always be people who are more rich than others. Let the price of water rise, and everyone, rich and poor, will pay more. The increase in cost will encourage more development into bringing water to the area, to capture that profit. Supply will increase, and prices then will drop. How is this such a hard concept to grasp?

[mick silver]

they are going to test this in California ... Farmers switch to drought-tolerant seeds http://www.ketv.com/news/farmers-switch-to-droughttolerant-seeds/25399696 ... PLATTSMOUTH, Neb. —Farmers call it revolutionary -- corn that can grow during a drought, and one local grower claims the genetically altered seeds save time and money.
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Every year, Nebraska growers plant more than nine million acres of corn. They know the demand is always going to be there, but they don’t know what the weather will do.
“I can't make it rain. No one really can,” said John Mcnamara, with Wiles Brothers in Plattsmouth.
But a new type of corn seed can handle the heat.
Drought-tolerant corn has been studied and tested for a few years but just recently got approval from the Environmental Protection Agency.
-- Video: Nebraska growers use drought-tolerant seeds (http://www.ketv.com/news/Nebraska-growers-use-drought-tolerant-seeds/25404432)
Mcnamara is planting 2,000 acres of the drought-tolerant corn, and he's selling a lot of it, too.
“I don't know one grower that’s been farming for any amount of time that doesn't want more moisture at some point in the growing season,” he said.
The drought-tolerant corn requires 20 percent less water to grow. It’s genetically altered with proteins found in decomposing soil organic matter.
“It can take off water reserves from other places within the plant in an effort to keep that process going,” Mcnamara said. “This minimizes a lot of risk, makes the corn plant more efficient and also maintains its productivity.”
The drought-tolerant corn comes at a time of need. It’s been dry since 2012, but this year, farmers will use the seed as a tool to produce a proven yield.
“If we can maintain production levels to meet that demand, that will help minimize any cost from a grocery standpoint,” Mcnamara said.
The drought-tolerant corn is sold all over the country. It comes at a slightly higher cost. Mcnamara said it runs about $10 more per acre.

[mick silver]

Seed Companies Set for Corn Hybrid War with Drought-Tolerance Traits? this shit n joke it here
http://cornandsoybeandigest.com/seed/seed-companies-set-corn-hybrid-war-drought-tolerance-traits DuPont (Pioneer Hi-Bred) and Syngenta developed the new varieties through traditional breeding techniques – with a little advanced technology thrown in to speed the process of picking which parent plants to try. The duo’s entry into the world market could start decades of fierce competition for rain-challenged growers’ business. Biotech (http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/biotechnology) varieties in the pipeline for future release may have an even bigger impact than today’s hybrids, says Kraig Roozeboom, agronomist with Kansas State University Research and Extension (http://www.ksre.ksu.edu/).
“Either way, drought-tolerant corn could expand seed companies’ markets,” he says. “Continued expansion of corn acreage at the expense of other crops, such as wheat and sorghum, will mean greater corn seed sales – which is the most profitable sector of the seed market.”
Roozeboom adds that technology isn’t the only reason new-generation corns are arriving so fast, compared to the new offerings for other standard crops. The seed industry for some time has been making larger investments in improving corn yields, largely because corn has been generating more dollars to invest. Herbicide- and insect-resistant corn hybrids, for example, were earlier money-makers.
Market factors have been pulling agriculture toward increased corn production (http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/corn-production), Roozeboom explains. If nothing else, corn remains the primary base for U.S. ethanol (http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/ethanol) manufacturing. World consumption of animal protein has been on the rise, too, increasing demand for feed grains.
The agronomist says that so far, the best ways to address those market forces are to:


Get more acres into corn production, including land that has been considered marginal, due to limited precipitation.
Reduce the risk of corn crop losses while also increasing average yields in water-limited production areas, such as central and western Kansas.

“Untimely rains or dry conditions can have a big impact in our state – sometimes causing substantial yield reductions or complete crop failures,” Roozeboom says. “Corn is more sensitive to the timing of rainfall than Kansas’ other major row crops.”
Annual rainfall in the state ranges from more than 40 in. in the southeast to an average 16 in. on the western border, he says.
Without timely rains, however, even southeast Kansas can have moisture problems, because during mid-summer, the shallow topsoils there can dry out in a couple of weeks. The area has dense clay subsoil that limits corn roots to a narrow band of topsoil. Other subsoils may have moisture, but crop roots can’t effectively reach them.
In contrast, much of western Kansas has deep silt loam soils with high water-holding capacity. So, despite the area’s sparse rainfall, successfully growing dryland corn is possible, so long as enough stored soil moisture is available to complement limited rainfall during the growing season.
Roozeboom says that as global temperatures continue to rise, on-going improvements in cropping systems may also be necessary to maintain and expand corn acreage and production. High-residue, no-till production (http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/no-till) systems have already been essential for the success of dryland corn in more arid environments. Cropping systems that conserve both water and soil will become ever more important for sustaining long-term production.
“Of course, moisture problems aren’t as big a worry for irrigated farms,” Roozeboom said. “However, irrigated farms with limited well capacity could also reduce their risks if the new-generation hybrids perform as advertised. Water is a scarce resource that is getting scarcer.”

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[Shami-Amourae]

This video is a bit long and drawn out but has a good message and information on where things are and where they are headed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpsMBioB1s

[EE_]

This video is a bit long and drawn out but has a good message and information on where things are and where they are headed:


Where things are headed...

This is my take. I'm hearing more and more, that the California drought/crisis is a problem for all of us in the US.

Many of the food products farmed in CA are being sold to the highest bidder in other parts of the world to enrich the farmers/corporations. Many of the products grown were purely for profit and not to support US needs.

So in the good times, when water was plentiful, everyone got to enjoy the prosperity and riches that came with it.

In fact, everyone in CA got to enjoy the good times, the lifestyle, business success, massive real estate appreciation. California got to keep the rewards and profits for themselves.

Now, with a historic drought baring on CA, hard times are coming, hard times no one in California has prepared for and still isn't preparing for. Once this becomes a major crisis, all of us in the US are going to be asked to pay for the problem California didn't prepare for.

Summary: Californian's reaped the profits of the good times and now the rest of the US will get taxed to pay California for the bad times.

Does this sound about right?
It's just like the banks getting to enjoy the good times, and the population is forced to bail them out in the bad.

[madfranks]

Where things are headed...

This is my take. I'm hearing more and more, that the California drought/crisis is a problem for all of us in the US.

Many of the food products farmed in CA are being sold to the highest bidder in other parts of the world to enrich the farmers/corporations. Many of the products grown were purely for profit and not to support US needs.

So in the good times, when water was plentiful, everyone got to enjoy the prosperity and riches that came with it.

In fact, everyone in CA got to enjoy the good times, the lifestyle, business success, massive real estate appreciation. California got to keep the rewards and profits for themselves.

Now, with a historic drought baring on CA, hard times are coming, hard times no one in California has prepared for and still isn't preparing for. Once this becomes a major crisis, all of us in the US are going to be asked to pay for the problem California didn't prepare for.

Summary: Californian's reaped the profits of the good times and now the rest of the US will get taxed to pay California for the bad times.

Does this sound about right?
It's just like the banks getting to enjoy the good times, and the population is forced to bail them out in the bad.

It used to be universal knowledge that during good harvest years, you store up to prepare for the inevitable bad harvest years that will surely come. Modern politicians and central banks have promised unending prosperity, and the masses believe them. With the promise of unending prosperity, why save for a rainy day, why prepare for the cold winter ahead?

[Jewboo]

Most of the frozen vegetables in the local Albertson's market say PRODUCT OF MEXICO.

:rolleyes:

[Horn]

http://www.citizen.org/view.image?Id=2732

Let them Eat Imports
http://www.citizen.org/food-under-nafta-wto

[Hitch]

Summary: Californian's reaped the profits of the good times and now the rest of the US will get taxed to pay California for the bad times.

EE, what taxes are you talking about to pay for CA's bad times? What CA needs now is water, no water, no crops. Taxes are not going to supply water. Drive through the central valley and you'll see signs to conserve, signs that say "no water, no jobs".

CA makes money supplying food to the rest of the US. Supply and demand, if the supply can't meet the demand, prices will go up. That has nothing to do with taxes. Expect prices for produce to go up. As of now, locally, prices have not gone up at the local farmer's market. I can walk out with a box of fresh stuff that lasts me for days, for $15. Tomatoes, onions, lettuce, strawberries, avocados, artichokes, etc...

[EE_]

EE, what taxes are you talking about to pay for CA's bad times? What CA needs now is water, no water, no crops. Taxes are not going to supply water. Drive through the central valley and you'll see signs to conserve, signs that say "no water, no jobs".

What happens if the drought gets so bad that cities are unable to supply people with water and it becomes an emergency? Do think Jerry Brown will go to the Federal government for emergency funding? Where does this federal money come from? That's right, from all of us, from taxes.
Do you think California could be better prepared for a disaster, or should California's government just sit back and keep paying their officials their fat pay checks and pensions until the Federal government comes to California's rescue?

CA makes money supplying food to the rest of the US. Supply and demand, if the supply can't meet the demand, prices will go up. That has nothing to do with taxes. Expect prices for produce to go up. As of now, locally, prices have not gone up at the local farmer's market. I can walk out with a box of fresh stuff that lasts me for days, for $15. Tomatoes, onions, lettuce, strawberries, avocados, artichokes, etc...

I'm all for supporting California farmers supplying the US with food, but not to the extent they are growing water intensive food only to be sold to other countries for pure profit. I personally would restrict farmers from growing these products that are sucking California's water dry. US needs should always come first!

And you say taxes won't bring water...I'm not sure about that. I bet I could bring you plenty of water if the Federal government gave me a couple billion in emergency funding. A couple billion would bring a lot of truckloads of water and I bet portable desalination plants could be set up fairly quickly.

I think California has been living high on the hog for a long time. It's a God damn free for all in California's government.
It's time to adjust priorities...or, just let the little guy pay when things go bad.



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[Hitch]

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The federal tax money will come from California, if needed. California is the state that pays the highest in federal taxes, by a longslide. Over 60 Billion dollars more than the next state on the list, Texas. Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

Maybe a couple of billion in assistance is a drop in the hat to what CA delivers for the rest of the country.

Furthermore, nobody complains about CA when we supply the rest of the country with food, yet a drought comes along....and nobody wants to help either. They just blame CA.

I'm just saying, it's a bit annoying to blame all the countries problems on California.

[Sparky]

The federal tax money will come from California, if needed. California is the state that pays the highest in federal taxes, by a longslide. Over 60 Billion dollars more than the next state on the list, Texas. Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_tax_revenue_by_state

Maybe a couple of billion in assistance is a drop in the hat to what CA delivers for the rest of the country.

Furthermore, nobody complains about CA when we supply the rest of the country with food, yet a drought comes along....and nobody wants to help either. They just blame CA.

I'm just saying, it's a bit annoying to blame all the countries problems on California.

Looking at taxes per capita (sorting your wiki list link), California ranks 20th, far below the leading tax payer states.

I don't think this is really a "blame" on California, rather than simply a summary of the current state of affairs. If California needs federal aid to continue to supply food, they'll get it, and I don't think anyone will be complaining.

[EE_]

The Utah Ant and the California Grasshopper

In a field one summer’s day a California Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing about the sun, beaches, swimming pools, golf, massive real estate appreciation and the abundance of water intensive food California grows for profit, to ship to other countries. Everyone is getting fat off the hog! Our politicians are getting rich and retiring with awesome pensions.

An Ant from Utah passed by, bearing along with great toil, a bucket of water he was taking to the nest. “Why not come and have fun like me...you can always save water another day” said the California Grasshopper, “instead of toiling and moiling in that way?”

“I am helping to lay up water for one day we might have a drought,” said the Ant, “and recommend you to do the same.”

“Why bother about water?” said the Grasshopper; “we have got plenty of water at present.”
The Ant just shook his head, went on it's way and continued its toil.

Then the drought came, the Grasshopper had no water and found itself dying of thirst, while it saw the ants distributing water every day from the stores they had collected in the rainy years.

Then the Grasshopper realized: “It would have been good to prepare, but now we can force the ants to give us their's, or just let the government bail us out.”

[Dogman]

If that grasshopper goes to Utah it would be doomed!

The Utah seagulls would have a feast they and would have a real meal deal!

Now where did that thought come from?

;)

[madfranks]

The Utah Ant and the California Grasshopper

In a field one summer’s day a California Grasshopper was hopping about, chirping and singing about the sun, beaches, swimming pools, golf, massive real estate appreciation and the abundance of water intensive food California grows for profit, to ship to other countries. Everyone is getting fat off the hog! Our politicians are getting rich and retiring with awesome pensions.

An Ant from Utah passed by, bearing along with great toil, a bucket of water he was taking to the nest. “Why not come and have fun like me...you can always save water another day” said the California Grasshopper, “instead of toiling and moiling in that way?”

“I am helping to lay up water for one day we might have a drought,” said the Ant, “and recommend you to do the same.”

“Why bother about water?” said the Grasshopper; “we have got plenty of water at present.”
But the Ant shook his head and went on its way and continued its toil.

Then the drought came, the Grasshopper had no water and found itself dying of thirst, while it saw the ants distributing water every day from the stores they had collected in the rainy years.

Then the Grasshopper realized: “It would have been good to prepare, but now we can force the ants to give us their's, or just let the government bail us out.”

And so, the government bailed them out, by forcing the ant to give their water to the grasshopper.

[Hitch]

And so, the government bailed them out, by forcing the ant to give their water to the grasshopper.

Or, the ant asks the grasshopper..."where is the food you've been providing me?"

Grasshopper, "sorry, we only have enough water now to grow enough food to feed the locals who live in California."

Maybe the solution is to not ask for any assistance from other states. Cali should just keep what little we can grow here and take care of the locals. Seems that would make everyone happy? :(??

[Hitch]

Here's an article for a California free diet. You can do your part by first, stop buying fruits and veggies from California. Don't be a part of California's drought problem.

From article:

"California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on)."

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2013/07/california_grows_all_of_our_fruits_and_vegetables_ what_would_we_eat_without.html

[EE_]

Here's an article for a California free diet. You can do your part by first, stop buying fruits and veggies from California. Don't be a part of California's drought problem. Done and done

From article:

"California produces a sizable majority of many American fruits, vegetables, and nuts: 99 percent of artichokes, 99 percent of walnuts, 97 percent of kiwis, 97 percent of plums, 95 percent of celery, 95 percent of garlic, 89 percent of cauliflower, 71 percent of spinach, and 69 percent of carrots (and the list goes on and on)."

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/explainer/2013/07/california_grows_all_of_our_fruits_and_vegetables_ what_would_we_eat_without.html

I'm doing my part! I eat very little that comes from CA.
It just happens that the eastern half of the country is agricultural rich too...and it rains often! Granted, some of it's seasonal, but that's what canned and frozen food is for.

Add: Love east coast plums, pears, peaches, blueberries, blackberries, strawberries, melons, tomatoes, carrots, pecans...the list is endless. About the only thing we don't get is kiwis and avacados. Citrus comes from Florida
So, ya'll go head and eat hardy...we'll be fine!

[Horn]

Who were those Buddhists that used to say,

the weather in any given region has as much to owe to its inhabitants as it does to its geography?

California just needs something other than dry people.

[Hitch]

So, ya'll go head and eat hardy...we'll be fine!

EE, I learned something today. Before accusing CA of being reckless with her consumption of water and relying on others to save them. 80% of CA's water consumption is from agriculture. 80%! That means 80% is used to grow food, to feed other states, being productive. Of the last 20%, 10% is for business and the last 10% for residential.

This is good news, and very bad news, imo. The good news is not much water seems to be wasted on worthless consumption, being 80% is used to grow food. The bad news is we might be fucked. No amount of taking short showers, or not watering the lawns, etc is going to make any difference when 80% is needed to grow food.

[EE_]

EE, I learned something today. Before accusing CA of being reckless with her consumption of water and relying on others to save them. 80% of CA's water consumption is from agriculture. 80%! That means 80% is used to grow food, to feed other states, being productive. Of the last 20%, 10% is for business and the last 10% for residential.

This is good news, and very bad news, imo. The good news is not much water seems to be wasted on worthless consumption, being 80% is used to grow food. The bad news is we might be fucked. No amount of taking short showers, or not watering the lawns, etc is going to make any difference when 80% is needed to grow food.

I wonder how much of that food, that takes 80% of the states water, gets sold in the US and how much is exported?

Sounds like that's where the adjustment needs to be made. Instead of growing water intensive crops for export. Instead of sucking up everyones water just to make a profit while screwing Californian's out of their water...California should be growing more essential less water intensive foods that are only consumed in the US.

I could still say California is reckless, when you talk about a state government that runs a massive economy like California and relies solely on the weather to keep it running?
A drought that has only lasted three or four years is threatening to shut down a huge amount of farming and see a lot of cities run out of water.
One could say that is reckless.

[Shami-Amourae]

This is a very bad thing for the United States period. There's another thing people don't consider. A lot of Californians will probably want to leave the state in droves once this drought really kicks into gear. You'll have tons of narcissistic Californians moving into your neck of the woods telling you have to live and speak. Also many of the illegals will follow.

It's best to keep California fat and happy ...and walled off.

[Neuro]

This is a very bad thing for the United States period. There's another thing people don't consider. A lot of Californians will probably want to leave the state in droves once this drought really kicks into gear. You'll have tons of narcissistic Californians moving into your neck of the woods telling you have to live and speak. Also many of the illegals will follow.

It's best to keep California fat and happy ...and walled off.
Can't it just be walled off?

[Neuro]

EE, I learned something today. Before accusing CA of being reckless with her consumption of water and relying on others to save them. 80% of CA's water consumption is from agriculture. 80%! That means 80% is used to grow food, to feed other states, being productive. Of the last 20%, 10% is for business and the last 10% for residential.

This is good news, and very bad news, imo. The good news is not much water seems to be wasted on worthless consumption, being 80% is used to grow food. The bad news is we might be fucked. No amount of taking short showers, or not watering the lawns, etc is going to make any difference when 80% is needed to grow food.
I understand where the term filthy rich is coming from now... ;D

[Horn]

I understand where the term filthy rich is coming from now... ;D

California has enough pull to place their own emission standards on cars.

They'll probably work out some mandatory inspection standard, like where the sower outlets to the toilet. Or vice versa.

[Cebu_4_2]

It's best to keep California fat and happy ...and walled off.

As long as they stay west of the Mississppi River were good on this side.

[Cebu_4_2]

California has enough pull to place their own emission standards on cars.


Reason being the smog just hangs out not flowing out over the mountains... Or so they claimed at the time.

[Cebu_4_2]

Nestle Continues Stealing World’s Water During Drought

Nestlé is draining California aquifers, from Sacramento alone taking 80 million gallons annually. Nestlé then sells the people's water back to them at great profit under many dozen brand names.

By Dan Bacher for IndyMedia | March 20, 2015

ARROWHEAD MORONGO NESTLEThe Arrowhead Mountain Water Company bottling plant, owned by Swiss conglomerate Nestle, on the Morongo Indian Reservation near Cabazon, Calif. Photo credit: Damian Dovarganes/AP.

The city of Sacramento is in the fourth year of a record drought – yet the Nestlé Corporation continues to bottle city water to sell back to the public at a big profit, local activists charge.

The Nestlé Water Bottling Plant in Sacramento is the target of a major press conference on Tuesday, March 17, by a water coalition that claims the company is draining up to 80 million gallons of water a year from Sacramento aquifers during the drought.

The coalition, the crunchnestle alliance, says that City Hall has made this use of the water supply possible through a “corporate welfare giveaway,” according to a press advisory.

A coalition of environmentalists, Native Americans and other concerned people announced the press conference will take place at March 17 at 5 p.m. at new Sacramento City Hall, 915 I Street, Sacramento.

The coalition will release details of a protest on Friday, March 20, at the South Sacramento Nestlé plant designed to “shut down” the facility. The coalition is calling on Nestlé to pay rates commensurate with their enormous profit, or voluntarily close down.

“The coalition is protesting Nestlé’s virtually unlimited use of water – up to 80 million gallons a year drawn from local aquifers – while Sacramentans (like other Californians) who use a mere 7 to 10 percent of total water used in the State of California, have had severe restrictions and limitations forced upon them,” according to the coalition.

“Nestlé pays only 65 cents for each 470 gallons it pumps out of the ground – the same rate as an average residential water user. But the company can turn the area’s water around, and sell it back to Sacramento at mammoth profits,” the coalition said.

Activists say that Sacramento officials have refused attempts to obtain details of Nestlé’s water used. Coalition members have addressed the Sacramento City Council and requested that Nestle’ either pay a commercial rate under a two tier level, or pay a tax on their profit.
Warming DroughtCracks in the dry bed of the Stevens Creek Reservoir in Cupertino, Calif. Photo credit: Marcio Jose Sanchez/AP

In October, the coalition released a “White Paper” highlighting predatory water profiteering actions taken by Nestle’ Water Bottling Company in various cities, counties, states and countries. Most of those great “deals” yielded mega profits for Nestle’ at the expense of citizens and taxpayers. Additionally, the environmental impact on many of those areas yielded disastrous results.

Coalition spokesperson Andy Conn said, “This corporate welfare giveaway is an outrage and warrants a major investigation. For more than five months we have requested data on Nestlé water use. City Hall has not complied with our request, or given any indication that it will. Sacramentans deserve to know how their money is being spent and what they’re getting for it. In this case, they’re getting ripped off.”

For more information about the crunchnestle alliance, contact Andy Conn (530) 906-8077 camphgr55 (at) gmail.com or Bob Saunders (916) 370-8251

Nestlé is currently the leading supplier of the world’s bottled water, including such brands as Perrier and San Pellegrino, and has been criticized by activists for human rights violations throughout the world. For example, Food and Water Watch and other organizations blasted Nestlé’s “Human Rights Impact Assessment” in December 2013 as a “public relations stunt.”

“The failure to examine Nestlé’s track record on the human right to water is not surprising given recent statements by its chair Peter Brabeck challenging the human right to water,” said Wenonah Hauter, Executive Director of Food & Water Watch. She noted that the company famously declared at the 2000 World Water Forum in the Netherlands that water should be defined as a need—not as a human right.

“In November 2013, Colombian trade unionist Oscar Lopez Trivino became the fifteenth Nestlé worker to be assassinated by a paramilitary organization while many of his fellow workers were in the midst of a hunger strike protesting the corporation’s refusal to hear their grievances,” according to the groups.

The press conference and protest will take place just days after Jay Famiglietti, the senior water scientist at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory/Caltech and a professor of Earth system science at UC Irvine, revealed in an op-ed in the LA Times on March 12 that California has only one year of water supply left in its reservoirs.

“As difficult as it may be to face, the simple fact is that California is running out of water — and the problem started before our current drought. NASA data reveal that total water storage in California has been in steady decline since at least 2002, when satellite-based monitoring began, although groundwater depletion has been going on since the early 20th century.

Right now the state has only about one year of water supply left in its reservoirs, and our strategic backup supply, groundwater, is rapidly disappearing. California has no contingency plan for a persistent drought like this one (let alone a 20-plus-year mega-drought), except, apparently, staying in emergency mode and praying for rain.”

Meanwhile, Governor Jerry Brown continues to fast-track his Bay Delta Conservation Plan (BDCP) to build the peripheral tunnels to ship Sacramento River water to corporate agribusiness, Southern California water agencies, and oil companies conducting fracking operations. The $67 billion plan won’t create one single drop of new water, but it will take vast tracts of Delta farm land out of production under the guise of “habitat restoration” in order to irrigate drainage-impaired soil owned by corporate mega-growers on the west side of the San Joaquin Valley.

The tunnel plan will also hasten the extinction of Sacramento River Chinook salmon, Central Valley steelhead, Delta and longfin smelt, green sturgeon and other fish species, as well as imperil the salmon and steelhead populations on the Klamath and Trinity rivers. The peripheral tunnels will be good for agribusiness, water privateers, oil companies and the 1 percent, but will be bad for the fish, wildlife, people and environment of California and the public trust.

The Delta smelt may already be extinct in the wild!

In fact, the endangered Delta smelt, once the most abundant fish in the entire Bay Delta Estuary, may already be extinct, according to UC Davis fish biologist and author Peter Moyle, as quoted on Capital Public Radio.

“Prepare for the extinction of the Delta Smelt in the wild,” Moyle told a group of scientists with the Delta Stewardship Council.

According to Capital Public Radio:

“He says the latest state trawl survey found very few fish in areas of the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta where smelt normally gather.

‘That trawl survey came up with just six smelt, four females and two males,’ says Moyle. “Normally because they can target smelt, they would have gotten several hundred.’

Moyle says the population of Delta smelt has been declining for the last 30 years but the drought may have pushed the species to the point of no return. If the smelt is officially declared extinct, which could take several years, the declaration could change how water is managed in California.

‘All these biological opinions on Delta smelt that have restricted some of the pumping will have to be changed,’ says Moyle.

But Moyle says pumping water from the Delta to Central and Southern California could still be restricted at certain times because of all the other threatened fish populations.”

The Delta smelt, an indicator species that demonstrates the health of the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, reached a new record low population level in 2014, according to the California Department of Fish and Wildlife’s fall midwater trawl survey that was released in January.

Department staff found a total of only eight smelt at a total of 100 sites sampled each month from September through December

The smelt is considered an indicator species because the 2.0 to 2.8 inch long fish is endemic to the estuary and spends all of its life in the Delta.

The California Department of Fish and Wildlife (CDFW) has conducted the Fall Midwater Trawl Survey (FMWT) to index the fall abundance of pelagic (open water) fish, including Delta smelt, striped bass, longfin smelt, threadfin shad and American shad, nearly annually since 1967. The index of each species is a number that indicates a relative population abundance.

[milehi]

The Forest Service continues to collect the $524 yearly permit fee from Nestle even though the permit expired nearly thirty years ago.

[BrewTech]

The Forest Service continues to collect the $524 yearly permit fee from Nestle even though the permit expired nearly thirty years ago.

I'm so outta here...

Don't worry, you of other "political overlays"... you won't notice I'm from CA at all, I promise.

[singular_me]

it would be interesting to know of there are primary water aquifers in CA (think Libya's desert and gaddafi's rivers project)

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Gov. Brown orders California to become a water police state as region begins reverting to uninhabitable desert
new Thursday 2nd April 2015

For the first time in history, the California government has declared mandatory water restrictions designed to save the state from a water collapse. (But it still won’t work, see below…)

An order went out yesterday from Governor Brown’s office, requiring water agencies to “…implement new pricing models that discourage excessive water use,” reports the LA Times. In other words, your water consumption costs are about to get even higher if you live in California.

The directive aims to reduce water consumption by 25% across the state — an aggressive restriction that clearly qualifies as an emergency reduction goal.’

http://www.naturalnews.com/049220_California_water_police_state_uninhabitable _desert.html

[Glass]

I commented somewhere on this forum on how companies in my city had been "stealing" tens of millions of litres of water. They have an annual allowance but some take from double upto 4 times the amount they are allocated. And what happens to them? Nothing at all.

Well seem California is following the same script. Corporations are exempt from the water restrictions.

Californians Outraged As Oil Producers & Frackers Excluded From Emergency Water Restrictions

California's oil and gas industry is estimated (with official data due to be released in coming days) to use more than 2 million gallons of fresh water per day; so it is hardly surprising that, as Reuters (http://rt.com/usa/246429-california-water-mandate-oil-companies/)reports, Californians are outraged after discovering that these firms are excluded from Governor Jerry Brown's mandatory water restrictions, "forcing ordinary Californians to shoulder the burden of the drought."


From Reuters, (http://rt.com/usa/246429-california-water-mandate-oil-companies/)

California should require oil producers to cut their water usage as part of the administration’s efforts to conserve water in the drought-ravaged state, environmentalists said on Wednesday.

Governor Jerry Brown ordered the first statewide mandatory water restrictions on Wednesday, directing cities and communities to cut their consumption by 25 percent. But the order does not require oil producers to cut their usage nor does it place a temporary halt on the water intensive practice of hydraulic fracturing.

California’s oil and gas industry uses more than 2 million gallons of fresh water a day to produce oil through well stimulation practices including fracking, acidizing and steam injection, according to estimates by environmentalists. The state is expected to release official numbers on the industry’s water consumption in the coming days.

“Governor Brown is forcing ordinary Californians to shoulder the burden of the drought by cutting their personal water use while giving the oil industry a continuing license to break the law and poison our water,” said Zack Malitz of environmental group Credo.

“Fracking and toxic injection wells may not be the largest uses of water in California, but they are undoubtedly some of the stupidest,” he said.

The industry has received scrutiny for how it disposes of undrinkable water produced during oil drilling. Last month the state ordered the operators of 12 wells to halt injections of the water out of fear that it could contaminate fresh drinking water supplies.
...

In an interview with the PBS Newshour on Wednesday, Brown indicated that curbing oil industry water use would not help a state so dependent on petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel.

“If we don’t take it out of our ground, we’ll take it out of someone else’s,” Brown said.



Not nearly enough outrage then.

ZH story (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-03/californians-outraged-oil-producers-frackers-excluded-emergency-water-restrictions)

[Cebu_4_2]

I used to hold shares in 'pico' promoted heavily by some asshat that helped me lose money. The shares are about the same today as they were in the early 90's. Have not looked in a year or two so they could be higher or lower. If the fracking is pumping chemies into the ground then the shares are most likely a bit lower.

[Horn]

Next topic?


In addition to an increase chance of precipitation in California, the change in the jet stream will also bring cooler temperatures to the West. High temperatures for locations west of Colorado and New Mexico will be near to below-average beginning Monday and lasting through the end of the week.


or until July

http://www.weather.com/forecast/national/news/rain-snow-returns-california-april-pattern-change (http://www.weather.com/forecast/national/news/rain-snow-returns-california-april-pattern-change)

[Cebu_4_2]

I'm pretty sure we all know the geoengineering crap has about 100% to do with controlling the rain water over there...

For years I am seeing the same pattern: http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GSSLOOPS/wcwv.html

I also figured out how they hide the trails, simply blurring them. I know, genius.

[Horn]

I think they were able to control things easier back in the day when they had a high solar cycle on their side.

If they were able to control a nice slip smooth jet stream they could divert in someways... now wiithout the high solar cycle the atmosphere has become compressed and the trough in jet stream huge..

http://www.principia-scientific.org/low-solar-activity-correlated-to-jet-stream-blocking-say-scientists.html

[PatColo]

Couple recent podcasts, diverse topics but heavy on the CT-view of water

Listen Download Hour 3 - Deborah Tavares - Total Control Of Your
Life
Http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/04/jeff-rense-radio-show-20150403.html


Monday, April 6, 2015
Spingola and Friends 4/6/2015

Marti Oakley talks about the CDC's adult vaccine program and other issues including the devised drought in California, the nation's biggest producer of produce. Please visit Marti's site to learn more about why this drought is happening and who is behind it!
http://grizzom.blogspot.com/2015/04/spingola-and-friends-462015.html

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18O5Q2GnLV4

[EE_]

The drought is not a problem for a lot of Californian's...other's are even profitting from it.
The American attitude of "fuck em, I've got mine" is alive and well.

Drought-Stricken California’s Wealthy Pay Up to Keep Lawns Lush
Apr 15, 2015 5:00 AM EDT

Rationing in the Montecito water district shows how the ability to stop one’s property from baking brown depends on a steady flow of green.

Mandatory water rationing struck California’s celebrity-filled enclave of Montecito last year and, within weeks, residents created a market based on avoidance.

Gardens stayed lush and lawns verdant as citizens paid tanker trucks to deliver thousands of gallons to homes in the seaside suburb of Santa Barbara. They drilled in back yards, driving the county’s tally of new wells to a record. Some simply paid fines for exceeding allocations, padding the water district’s budget by more than $2 million.

“People feel strongly about their landscaping and want to keep their homes beautiful,” said Patrick Nesbitt, who drilled a well to hydrate parts of his 70-acre estate but let his polo field go dry. “Why should anybody object?”

“People feel strongly about their landscaping and want to keep their homes beautiful.”

Patrick Nesbitt
As drought drags into a fourth year, Californians statewide will confront similar choices thanks to unprecedented consumption cuts mandated by Governor Jerry Brown. Rationing in the Montecito water district, where the typical house sells for more than $2 million and where Oprah Winfrey, Google Inc. Chairman Eric Schmidt and Berkshire Hathaway Inc. vice chairman Charlie Munger live, shows how the ability to stop one’s property from baking brown depends on a steady flow of green.

The state’s Water Resources Control Board last week outlined its plan for mandatory cuts, which range from 10 percent to 35 percent. Communities with above-average consumption, which are often wealthier, must conserve most.

Economic Divide

The correlation between income and water use makes an emerald lawn symbolize an economic divide, said Peter Gleick, president of the Pacific Institute, a research and policy group in Oakland. Water is unevenly distributed; poor communities in the Central Valley also receive water by tanker, but to drink, not moisten greenery, he said.

“How would we feel if you could pay extra to smoke on airplanes?” Gleick said. “When we decide something is a bad idea in general for society, we don’t want the rich to be able to buy their way out of it.”

As much as 80 percent of urban water nourishes outdoor landscaping, a feature in ample supply on the sprawling estates of Montecito, an unincorporated hamlet of 9,000 people located 90 miles (145 kilometers) up the coast from Los Angeles.

Country clubs and homes capped with Mediterranean red-tile roofs are nestled between the Santa Ynez Mountains and white-sand beaches of the Pacific Ocean. Residents say the preservation of landscapes and property values are intertwined, and dead and dying foliage increase vulnerability to fire.

Overuse Penalties

Yet virtually no groundwater lies below Montecito, making it reliant on outside sources. In February 2014, as reservoirs ran low and promised water from the state failed to materialize, the Water District declared a shortage emergency. Rationing followed.

In September 2014, each Montecitan used about 241 gallons per day. That compared with residents in Cambria, the least profligate, who used 40 gallons, and to residents in Rancho Santa Fe who topped the list at 585.

Customers cut consumption by about 40 percent in 2014 compared with the year before, said Water District General Manager Tom Mosby. About 95 percent stay within monthly allocations set by property size. Penalties for overuse total $2.2 million so far this fiscal year.

“The majority of our customers are willing to work with us,” he said. “If certain customers are doing whatever it is to augment the water supplied to their properties outside of the district water supply, we can’t stop that.”

Discontent festers. In a recent letter to the editor of the Montecito Journal, resident Bill Reyner accused the district of mismanagement and called the cuts harmful.

Polo Field

“How many of you have lost significant investments in landscaping, seen mature trees die, counted the seconds in your showers, tirelessly checked your water meters and even put up with the built-up urine in your toilets?” he wrote.

Nesbitt, the founder of Windsor Capital Group Inc. and the largest U.S. private owner-operator of Embassy Suites hotels, says he’s conserved by replumbing his 10,500-square-foot villa and installing drip irrigation that uses nonpotable water.

“We’ve made, I think, a Herculean effort to comply,” he said.

Nesbitt lost a lawsuit to reverse the district’s decision reclassifying his polo field and horse-training grounds to residential from agricultural. He’s now suing the agency again, contending residential property owners subsidize lower rates enjoyed by agricultural customers. He says he’s trying to gain access to more nonpotable water by persuading the district to let him tap one of its wells.

Native Species

It’s not just Montecitans who’ve sought workarounds. In Cambria, midway between San Francisco and Los Angeles, residents now use just 32 gallons a day, less than half than before the drought began in 2011, since rationing took effect in March 2014. Clyde Warren, a private water supplier who draws from a permitted well, says he now sells 20,000 gallons on weekdays. Prior to rationing, it was common to go days without selling any, he said.

He has customers who are ostentatiously green and customers who are ostentatiously affluent.

“We get Priuses in here, Mercedes, a little of everything,” he said.

Customers of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power will need to conserve 20 percent. One is George Grifka, a cardiologist, who said economics already drove him to replace thirsty grass and rose bushes on his property overlooking a golf course. He brought in drought-resistant native species including aloe and blue ice plant.

No Fakes

“Water costs money,” he said. “I wanted to have a durable, aesthetically pleasing landscape that also would not be economically detrimental. Plus, I didn’t want to waste water.”

A couple of miles away near the Beverly Hills Country Club, Charles Ferraro, a retired hospitality executive, said he’s ready to conserve more, but draws the line at ripping out his lawn.

“I don’t have fake plants, I don’t have fake lawn,” he said on a recent afternoon as his gardener doused the grass with a hose. “I started working washing dishes at age 13 and worked my way up, and what I enjoy is what I worked for.”

Already, he said, he’s reset his sprinklers to run two days a week, down from three, and stopped hosing off his driveway.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-15/drought-stricken-california-s-wealthy-pay-up-to-keep-lawns-lush

[singular_me]

http://www.davidicke.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Untitled-58-587x391.jpg

‘With water being our most precious commodity, you would think that government officials would be keeping very close tabs on its usage, especially in states like California where drought conditions are now entering their fourth year. However, Governor Jerry Brown is just now cracking down on state municipalities, attempting to get them to cut back on their water usage by 25%.

With California’s agricultural industry being one of the largest consumers, and almond growers alone using 1.1 trillion gallons of water a year, it’s easy to understand why the public outcry would be directed at Big Ag. These farmers need to be held accountable for their usage when growing our food and should be penalized when they go over their limits! I’m not giving up my long, hot showers and garden for a high-priced bag of almonds!

Hold up. Your anger may be misdirected.’

Read more: US government allows powerful corporations to sell California water with no permits or reporting during drought
http://www.naturalnews.com/049389_California_drought_water_companies_resource _privatization.html

[EE_]

I've always believed, if you leave a problem alone long enough, it will fix itself.

The people that matter will weather the drought just fine, the rest can go pound salt.

Once the water runs out, the slave class will kill each other off and the world will be as the elite want it.

All that will be left will be the elite class, their government corporate police that protect them and just enough slaves to service their needs.

A more perfect world is coming!

[Shami-Amourae]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDm2T_RkEFY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwnxh0lx9_Y

[Horn]

Its raining in California, the problem has taken care of itself?

[Shami-Amourae]

I wish.

[Cebu_4_2]

Its raining in California, the problem has taken care of itself?

Rain should stop tomorrow. Everything is full and well now, go and buy yourself something to enjoy...

[Horn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7iBUkshzHE

[Cebu_4_2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7iBUkshzHE

That's what I'm talking about.

[Horn]

That's what I'm talking about.

God is on our side for the next 30-40yrs or so at least, from my estimate with the weak solar cycle. If that's any positive news, seasons are delayed and mixed. You can see even now all their efforts are in vain, and the rains pull around from the backside of "created" high pressure.

[Horn]

Prime directive a lame ditch attempt to thaw the arctic?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdRZBz3MA3w

[gunDriller]

Its raining in California, the problem has taken care of itself?

depends on what substance it's raining.


and the big Joo agribiz couple (the Reznick's, Mr. Pistachio and Mrs. Pomegranate) need proof of damages so they can get an agricultural subsidy from their Joo buddies in the US gov.

if it rains too soon they could lose that insurance payment. as if Larry Silverstein was their business adviser ...


the Reznick's also enjoy a humongously good deal on water.

since water is fungible, and can be easily measured - why doesn't everybody pay the SAME RATE for water ?


because then the Reznick's would lose their sweet sinecure.

they would have to go find another and then everybody would be in danger. :)

[Horn]

Chinese use artillery to fire rockets filled with chemical cloud-seeding to cause rain over dry areas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfXEuHw9AhY

China works hard to produce artificial rain - CCTV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFcTpo5SXPE

[Jewboo]

http://archive.ktvb.com/weather/images/core/Seven_Day_wxpage.JPG

BOISE, IDAHO







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1ZYhVpdXbQ


:)

[Horn]

It’s time to reform California’s inherited water rights: Editorialhttp://www.dailynews.com/opinion/20150508/its-time-to-reform-californias-inherited-water-rights-editorial

http://www.dailynews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/LA/20150508/LOCAL1/150509454/AR/0/AR-150509454.jpg&maxh=400&maxw=667

Water flows through the Southern California desert in the Metropolitan Water District's Colorado River Aqueduct. (AP Photo/Metropolitan Water District of Southern California)

Inherited water rights were established in California’s Gold Rush era, if not precisely to bolster the common good, then at least to allow entrepreneurial miners and farmers adequate supplies for their work.

They were the first so-called prior-appropriation water rights in the country, created as an alternative to riparian water rights, which allow all property owners access along a river’s path, that served the water-rich Eastern states well enough. For generations the inherited rights have been good for commerce in the West, where other states modeled their laws on our own.

In our four-year drought, we’re all water experts now. You can’t offer up a dish of Blue Diamond smokehouse almonds at a cocktail party without fingerwagging from your guest: “Don’t you know that each one of those takes a whole gallon of water to produce?”

Yes, thank you, we know plenty about the ways that our dry state uses 80 percent of its water supplies on agriculture in order to maintain our status as breadbasket to the world.

Feudalism has had its day. Rights to natural resources, whether redwood forests or the land on which your home sits, are limited by changing realities — the environmental need to stop clear-cutting, the neighborhood need to stop mansionizing — to serve the commonweal. What are rights in one era can come up against the need for reform in another.

The time has come to reform California’s agricultural prior-appropriation water rights to serve the common good. The sixth-generation Bay Delta farmer who floods his fields to grow wonderful rice will claim the right to do as his ancestors did, granted by the 19th-century California Supreme Court. The fourth-generation Imperial Valley alfalfa grower — whose rights are somewhat different than the Delta’s, under the seven-state Colorado River System — will laud his hay’s livestock-fueling aspects, though it is exported to feed cattle in China and even the United Arab Emirates.

But alfalfa, which people can’t eat, uses up an extraordinary 20 percent of all the agricultural water in California. We could build out the suburban sprawl from Ventura to Otay Mesa and never use as much water as alfalfa does. The water to grow that cattle feed comes from the Colorado River by way of the All-American Canal along the Mexican border. But the Colorado River is running out of what it is: water. It’s a resource that has simply been overallocated: If you add up all the “rights” to its use from Wyoming to the border, you are left with no water at all, because the original apportionments were based on faulty measurements of runoff. Lake Mead is 38 percent full — it hasn’t been so low since it was first filled in the 1930s.

When Gov. Jerry Brown announced this spring that he now means business in reaching his mandate to reduce water use by 25 percent throughout the state — ratcheting up the maximum daily fine for water wasters to $10,000, for instance — he was wise not to go after agriculture too quickly. It’s not an evil; it produces our food. The changes will have to come over time. But now is the time to alter the inherited rights, and to create a future state where we don’t grow hay in the desert. There is a precedent: In 2000, in the midst of its long drought, Australia’s Water Management Act prioritized domestic, environmental and commercial use and put irrigation last. Water rights now last 10 years Down Under, and no payments are made for changes, because, in the words of policy analyst Yee Huang, “water is subject to public ownership and should be managed for the public good.” (http://www.progressivereform.org/CPRBlog.cfm?idBlog=860CB207-02D4-BB7A-B891B40E9ECFF220)

[BrewTech]

It’s time to reform California’s inherited water rights: Editorial

http://www.dailynews.com/opinion/20150508/its-time-to-reform-californias-inherited-water-rights-editorial

http://www.dailynews.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/storyimage/LA/20150508/LOCAL1/150509454/AR/0/AR-150509454.jpg&maxh=400&maxw=667

Water flows through the Southern California desert in the Metropolitan Water District's Colorado River Aqueduct. (AP Photo/Metropolitan Water District of Southern California)

Inherited water rights were established in California’s Gold Rush era, if not precisely to bolster the common good, then at least to allow entrepreneurial miners and farmers adequate supplies for their work.

They were the first so-called prior-appropriation water rights in the country, created as an alternative to riparian water rights, which allow all property owners access along a river’s path, that served the water-rich Eastern states well enough. For generations the inherited rights have been good for commerce in the West, where other states modeled their laws on our own.

In our four-year drought, we’re all water experts now. You can’t offer up a dish of Blue Diamond smokehouse almonds at a cocktail party without fingerwagging from your guest: “Don’t you know that each one of those takes a whole gallon of water to produce?”

Yes, thank you, we know plenty about the ways that our dry state uses 80 percent of its water supplies on agriculture in order to maintain our status as breadbasket to the world.

Feudalism has had its day. Rights to natural resources, whether redwood forests or the land on which your home sits, are limited by changing realities — the environmental need to stop clear-cutting, the neighborhood need to stop mansionizing — to serve the commonweal. What are rights in one era can come up against the need for reform in another.

The time has come to reform California’s agricultural prior-appropriation water rights to serve the common good. The sixth-generation Bay Delta farmer who floods his fields to grow wonderful rice will claim the right to do as his ancestors did, granted by the 19th-century California Supreme Court. The fourth-generation Imperial Valley alfalfa grower — whose rights are somewhat different than the Delta’s, under the seven-state Colorado River System — will laud his hay’s livestock-fueling aspects, though it is exported to feed cattle in China and even the United Arab Emirates.

But alfalfa, which people can’t eat, uses up an extraordinary 20 percent of all the agricultural water in California. We could build out the suburban sprawl from Ventura to Otay Mesa and never use as much water as alfalfa does. The water to grow that cattle feed comes from the Colorado River by way of the All-American Canal along the Mexican border. But the Colorado River is running out of what it is: water. It’s a resource that has simply been overallocated: If you add up all the “rights” to its use from Wyoming to the border, you are left with no water at all, because the original apportionments were based on faulty measurements of runoff. Lake Mead is 38 percent full — it hasn’t been so low since it was first filled in the 1930s.

When Gov. Jerry Brown announced this spring that he now means business in reaching his mandate to reduce water use by 25 percent throughout the state — ratcheting up the maximum daily fine for water wasters to $10,000, for instance — he was wise not to go after agriculture too quickly. It’s not an evil; it produces our food. The changes will have to come over time. But now is the time to alter the inherited rights, and to create a future state where we don’t grow hay in the desert. There is a precedent: In 2000, in the midst of its long drought, Australia’s Water Management Act prioritized domestic, environmental and commercial use and put irrigation last. Water rights now last 10 years Down Under, and no payments are made for changes, because, in the words of policy analyst Yee Huang, “water is subject to public ownership and should be managed for the public good.” (http://www.progressivereform.org/CPRBlog.cfm?idBlog=860CB207-02D4-BB7A-B891B40E9ECFF220)

Alfalfa? All the cattle I know eat spent grains produced in the brewing industry. Those grains are not grown in California.

I'll have to talk with the guy that picks up my grain today about nutritional requirements of livestock.