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madfranks
19th May 2014, 11:16 AM
If you guessed police officers, firefighters, teachers and federal bureaucrats, you are correct!

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/05/robert-wenzel/the-fastest-growing-classes-of-millionaires-in-america/

This should not come as a surprise for a country that continues to experience an expanding government role in the daily lives of its citizens. According to Forbes columnist Rich Karlgaard the answer to the question above is: Police officers, firefighters, teachers and federal bureaucrats. Here’s why (http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0628/opinions-rich-karlgaard-digital-rules-millionaire-cop-next-door.html):

It’s said that government workers now make, on average, 30% more than private-sector workers. Put that fantasy aside. It far underestimates the real figures. By my calculations government workers make more than twice as much. They are America’s fastest-growing group of millionaires.


Doubt it? Then ask yourself: What is the net present value of an $80,000 annual pension payout with additional full health benefits? Working backward the total NPV would depend on expected returns of a basket of safe investments–blue-chip stocks, dividends and U.S. Treasury bonds. Investment pros such as my friend Barry Glassman say 4% is a good, safe return today.
Based on this small but unfortunately realistic 4% return, an $80,000 annual pension payout implies a rather large pot of money behind it–$2 million, to be precise. That’s a lot.


That $2 million also happens to be the implied booty of your average California policeman who retires at age 55. Typical cities in California have a police officer’s retirement plan that works as follows: 3% at age 50. As the North County Timesof Carlsbad, Calif. explains: “Carlsbad offers its police and firefighters a ’3-percent-at-50′ retirement plan, meaning that emergency services workers who retire at age 50 can get 3% of their highest salary times the number of years they have worked for the city. City officials have said that in Carlsbad the average firefighter or police officer typically retires at age 55 and has 28 years of service. Using the 3% salary calculation, that person would receive an annual city pension of $76,440.”


Who are America’s fastest-growing class of millionaires? They are police officers, firefighters, teachers and federal bureaucrats, who, unless things change drastically, will be paid something near their full salaries every year–until death–after retiring in their mid-50s. That is equivalent to a retirement sum worth millions of dollars.


If you further ask how much salary it would take to live, save and build a $2 million stash over a 30-year career, the answer would be somewhere close to $75,000 more than the nominal salary, if you include all the tax bites associated with earning, saving and investing money.


In other words, if a police officer, firefighter, teacher or federal bureaucrat is making $75,000 a year he or she is effectively making twice that amount. Implied in the annual pension payout is that the individual diligently saved half of his annual salary–after taxes–in order to save, invest and build (again, after taxes) the near $2 million pot.


So when you hear that government workers now make, on average, 30% more than private-sector workers, you’re not getting the full story. Government workers, on average, make more than twice as much as private-sector workers when you include the net present value of their pensions. How long can this last?

madfranks
19th May 2014, 11:22 AM
I work in private industry, and the idea that one would be able to retire with such a generous pension at age 50 is so far beyond reality, I don't even know where to begin. My little brother joined the army when he turned 18 and decided to make it his career, and he brags to me that he's going to retire at age 43 with a $6000 monthly check for the rest of his life in appreciation of his "service".

Ares
19th May 2014, 11:30 AM
I work in private industry, and the idea that one would be able to retire with such a generous pension at age 50 is so far beyond reality, I don't even know where to begin. My little brother joined the army when he turned 18 and decided to make it his career, and he brags to me that he's going to retire at age 43 with a $6000 monthly check for the rest of his life in appreciation of his "service".

Or so he thinks. Even if he does get that $6,000 a month pension, 6 grand won't buy you shit in the future. How's that for appreciation?

I think we're on the very cusp of an inflationary collapse. Meat, Eggs, Milk, and fuel are rising pretty sharply lately. Yet the CPI is basically unchanged. Yeah I know CPI doesn't look at those, but people don't eat T.V.'s, Cars, or electronic gadgets. Check out your "new" pringles cans at the store lately? 1.39 for a can that is 3/4 of it's size 5 years ago, yet charging the same price. Same with ice cream, and even frozen meals. Price per weight is dropping so that the manufacturer doesn't get gutted when prices of foods go up. Little guy get's screwed and doesn't realize it unless he's compared past weight and cost to new weight and cost.

Spectrism
19th May 2014, 11:59 AM
Yes and yes.

I think the game is about to be changed in a radical way. It would be a real bummer to retire with a nice pension only for world war to break out the next day and all the government offices to be nuked. When this thing starts, there will be "natural" calamities and man-made disasters singing in harmony.

singular_me
19th May 2014, 12:47 PM
wait for WW3 and lets see how many come back alive :(

wishing the best for your bro, really


I work in private industry, and the idea that one would be able to retire with such a generous pension at age 50 is so far beyond reality, I don't even know where to begin. My little brother joined the army when he turned 18 and decided to make it his career, and he brags to me that he's going to retire at age 43 with a $6000 monthly check for the rest of his life in appreciation of his "service".

madfranks
19th May 2014, 12:51 PM
Or so he thinks. Even if he does get that $6,000 a month pension, 6 grand won't buy you shit in the future. How's that for appreciation?



It starts at $6k per month and raises with inflation. He showed me the military pension calculator (yes they have their own calculator so you can figure out how much pension you'll be getting). If I remember correctly, it estimated over $10,000 a month once he hit his mid 60's. Of course, that assumes the government will be able to pay it. Which is why I still prefer to be in private industry, where I can work my ass off to secure my own (meager) retirement, instead of counting on the promises of liars and thieves.

Ares
19th May 2014, 01:14 PM
It starts at $6k per month and raises with inflation. He showed me the military pension calculator (yes they have their own calculator so you can figure out how much pension you'll be getting). If I remember correctly, it estimated over $10,000 a month once he hit his mid 60's. Of course, that assumes the government will be able to pay it. Which is why I still prefer to be in private industry, where I can work my ass off to secure my own (meager) retirement, instead of counting on the promises of liars and thieves.

Yep seen that calculator as well when I was in. Still never bought the bullshit they were peddling. All goes to Greenspans comment: "We don’t have a system that is working. We have one that basically moves cash around and we can guarantee cash benefits as far out and whatever size you like, but we cannot guarantee their purchasing power."

Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it?

Sparky
19th May 2014, 02:07 PM
The thing is, it's still a cozy deal even with diminished purchasing power. Those adjustments modify upward as inflation increases. True, that the modifications may not account for the "real" inflation rate. It could be that the new amount in 20 years only has $5,000 in buying power versus $6,000. But a lot of people would be happy to take that diminished buying power ($60,000/year) for 20 years without having to work.

Look at it this way: He can still get an underpaying job like every other poor slob, and then have an extra boost (whatever the actual additional buying power) to make up the shortfall.

madfranks
19th May 2014, 02:33 PM
Look at it this way: He can still get an underpaying job like every other poor slob, and then have an extra boost (whatever the actual additional buying power) to make up the shortfall.

I think you've nailed the crux of the original article, which is the very real benefit they get from these inflated pensions. If you're receiving $6k a month in pension and work part time to the tune of $1500 or so, you're making a lot more than the poor slobs only getting the $1500 earned.

Hitch
19th May 2014, 04:57 PM
There's a scam going on, with the 3% by 50, retirement. So, say you start working at 20 years old, then at 50, you retire. That is 30 years at 3% per year, so you can retire and get 90% of your salary, for the rest of your life. Pretty sweet deal. Retire at 50, and get a fixed income until you die.

Now, the scam. They calculate that fixed income, the 90% of your 'salary' on the last 3 years of your work. So, say a cop who makes 80k a year, 90% is of that is 72K. He retires and gets 72k a year for the rest of his life, right? Sounds great, wrong.

Say that cop, during his last 3 years, works as much overtime as he can get. He makes 120k a year, or even 150k, those last 3 years. Again, the last 3 years his pension is calculated on. Take 90% of 150k, now he retires and gets 135k a year for the rest of his life...

See where I'm going with this? This is happening across the board...and your taxes are paying for it.

Sorry to piss you off.

palani
19th May 2014, 06:52 PM
Used to be a career officer in the military received 50% pay after 20 years service and 75% pay after 30 years service.

Then the statistic is .... the average life expectancy of a 30 year career officer .... is a year and a half.

If the dream of a comfortable retirement is required to keep people working the reality is he only collects a small portion of it before he becomes a resident of Stone City.