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Ares
22nd May 2014, 09:14 AM
Local government have long looked to speeding tickets to increase revenue. What will they do when autonomous cars stick to the speed limit?

Shortly after the state of Washington voted to legalize recreational marijuana late last year, opponents made a very interesting, if somewhat counterintuitive, argument against legalized pot – law enforcement would miss out on the huge revenue stream of seized assets, property, and cash from pot dealers in the state.

Justice Department data shows that seizures in marijuana-related cases nationwide totaled $1 billion from 2002 to 2012, out of the $6.5 billion total seized in all drug busts over that period. This money often goes directly into the budgets of the law enforcement agencies that seized it. One drug task force in Snohomish County, Washington, reduced its budget forecast by 15% after the state voted to legalize marijuana, the Wall Street Journal reported in January. In its most fruitful years, that lone task force had seen more than $1 million in additional funding through seizures from marijuana cases alone, according to the report.

Naturally, this dynamic is something law enforcement either is or should already be preparing for as driverless cars make their way onto the roads. Just as drug cops will lose the income they had seized from pot dealers, state and local governments will need to account for a drastic reduction in fines from traffic violations as autonomous cars stick to the speed limit.

Google’s driverless cars have now combined to drive more than 700,000 miles on public roads without receiving one citation, The Atlantic reported this week. While this raises a lot of questions about who is responsible to pay for a ticket issued to a speeding autonomous car – current California law would have the person in the driver’s seat responsible, while Google has said the company that designed the car should pay the fine – it also hints at a future where local and state governments will have to operate without a substantial source of revenue.

Approximately 41 million people receive speeding tickets in the U.S. every year, paying out more than $6.2 billion per year, according to statistics from the U.S. Highway Patrol published at StatisticBrain.com. That translates to an estimate $300,000 in speeding ticket revenue per U.S. police officer every year.

State and local governments often lean on this source of income when they hit financial trouble. Last September, Atlanta’s Channel 2 Action News reported that the city’s police union chief claimed in an email to city police officers that Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed had “designated traffic court/ticket revenue for future pay increases” for police officers. There are countless other examples of police officers increasing their ticket-writing efforts in order to help spike revenue.

And a study released in 2009 examined data over a 13-year period in North Carolina, finding a “statistically significant correlation between a drop in local government revenue one year, and more traffic tickets the next year,” Popular Science reported.

"If a county got one percentage point less money, they gave out around a third of a point more tickets," according to the Popular Science report.

Of course, it’s unclear what exactly the driverless car ecosystem will look like. Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who says his company's autonomous car will be ready for on-street adoption by the masses by 2016, doesn’t believe consumers will adopt fully autonomous cars, but rather those with "a form of 'auto-pilot' in most situations that would allow the vehicle to take over control."

"My opinion is it’s a bridge too far to go to fully autonomous cars," Musk told the Financial Times last September. "It’s incredibly hard to get the last few percent."

Musk makes a good point. A car that can drive you home when you’re tired or have had too much to drink seems like a great idea, but consumers may not be crazy about being restricted to speed limit-abiding robots when they’re running late for a meeting or about to miss a flight. This could also explain why Google has reportedly had difficulty finding a manufacturing partner for its fully autonomous car, as the Financial Times pointed out in its article about Musk.

The question, however, is how much of an impact any autonomous driving ability has on the reliable revenue source that traffic violation fines have been in the public sector. If and when drivers decide to switch off their autonomous drivers and double the speed limit on a joy ride, will police be able to pay enough officers to stop them?

http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/driverless-cars-could-cripple-law-enforcement-budgets

helec338
22nd May 2014, 10:31 AM
If Google can't find a manufacturer for their driver-less cars, maybe they should make them themselves. Going to cost a whole lot of money though.

Ares
22nd May 2014, 10:39 AM
If Google can't find a manufacturer for their driver-less cars, maybe they should make them themselves. Going to cost a whole lot of money though.

My guess from reading the article is that Google wants the vehicles to be 100% autonomous. No manufacturer wants to take that kind of risk. I'm all for autonomous vehicles, but I also want to be able to drive it. Having a Manual Override would be a good compromise.

The only time I'd use the self drive feature would be on long trips. After 100 miles of driving it just gets boring.

iOWNme
22nd May 2014, 11:05 AM
Don't worry, you will be taxed by the mile in your new robot car.

dook everl
5th June 2014, 01:28 PM
That's another one for the list. I thought the fatal flaw was the fact thed didn't have cam bearings and the intake valves had to be set at 4 thousandths. Also as Andy mentioned no oil filter, just a screen at the pump. My ex-wife liked VW's, I found them to be high maintenence.

mick silver
6th June 2014, 12:16 PM
this would take the fun out of driving

Ponce
6th June 2014, 02:36 PM
When I get to old to drive this will be of great help for hot rod Ponce........I would say in another 25 years, I am now 74, ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff did I say 74??????????.......I think that I am ready for it right now.

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Neuro
7th June 2014, 01:29 AM
That's another one for the list. I thought the fatal flaw was the fact thed didn't have cam bearings and the intake valves had to be set at 4 thousandths. Also as Andy mentioned no oil filter, just a screen at the pump. My ex-wife liked VW's, I found them to be high maintenence.
Hmmm... Seems like a perfect quote from hoarder at GIM2... http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?59288-Car-battery-use
Learn to use quotation marks TROLL! You are permabannned!

aeondaze
7th June 2014, 02:23 AM
Hmmm... Seems like a perfect quote from hoarder at GIM2... http://www.goldismoney2.com/showthread.php?59288-Car-battery-use
Learn to use quotation marks TROLL! You are permabannned!

WTF? How did you find this out so quickly, this was posted in January on GIM2, how did you know?

Danubian
7th June 2014, 02:47 AM
WTF? How did you find this out so quickly, this was posted in January on GIM2, how did you know?

Just put it into Google and you'll find lots of stuff.

aeondaze
7th June 2014, 03:51 AM
Just put it into Google and you'll find lots of stuff.

No way! You gota be shittin me.

Is this what you do, spend large amounts of time pumping posts through google to see what comes up?

Cebu_4_2
7th June 2014, 05:31 AM
No way! You gota be shittin me.

Is this what you do, spend large amounts of time pumping posts through google to see what comes up?

New folks are scrutinized quite thoroughly here.

BrewTech
7th June 2014, 06:44 AM
No way! You gota be shittin me.

Is this what you do, spend large amounts of time pumping posts through google to see what comes up?

The post was obviously out of context for the thread,... I would imagine that's what set off the alarm. Nice job, Neuro.

Danubian
7th June 2014, 02:58 PM
No way! You gota be shittin me.

Is this what you do, spend large amounts of time pumping posts through google to see what comes up?

No, but if you have the need, you can find stuff in basic searches.

Dogman
7th June 2014, 03:11 PM
Some do not dare to do basic searches on the net, they would rather be confined to the voluntary walls and beliefs they cherish they self impose upon their self.

Tho the net is both the best library on the planet, as a virtual info source, But it takes a back seat to real , feel, paper/or skin , smell of real books that one finds in a real library, it is also a sewer of misdirection when searching for what the real facts are, and not what some wish they can be.

Some prefer this model.

http://stuffershack.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Oro.jpg

They get convoluted as the image in their virtual lifes on the web.