Another computer question

[Horn]

I've been around the things for some time so know some things, but what to do with disk volumes is always much in the clouds to me.

Some programs will ask you were to install, I like those, others just take your C space without asking.

What I would really love is if I could setup the os on one disk and have the ability to associate to other disk's programs. Is that possible now, I would think so as I'm sure that figurative love is not just my own :) Its a question of practicality for me as I work heavily in the programs, and have customers coming back to me after years or more after initial meetings.

Also any comments on what you do with spanning, sectors or disk management would be appreciated.

[Cebu_4_2]

Im simple, all progs go on main drive, all files, emails, bookmarks etc go on extra drive. If I crash a drive I have to install the OS and progs but everything else is always saved safely away from the main drive.

Not sure how to run progs from another drive, should be possible but had issues with registry entries trying it. Then again I keep simple.

[Hitch]

I think folks would be a lot happier with out all this technology.

I had a computer problem awhile back. I unplugged it. I took it up on deck, and dropped it overboard. I watched it sink. That was pretty awesome, actually.

If a computer doesn't work, just toss it overboard, and get a new one.

[Cebu_4_2]

I think folks would be a lot happier with out all this technology.

I had a computer problem awhile back. I unplugged it. I took it up on deck, and dropped it overboard. I watched it sink. That was pretty awesome, actually.

If a computer doesn't work, just toss it overboard, and get a new one.

Should be cool if you have no friends, work, or files needed to live life with. Unfortunately computers are here to stay until we get shut off. We could go back to calling the local party line and meet people while 100s of other people are yelling louder.

I don't even see a metro hoe newspaper where I am, something is lacking.

[Horn]

Oh for fucks sake, Hitch wrong forum! I don't want to look stupid going to some ananda tech forum, and ask. :)

Someone will just tell me to go out and purchase the latest terraflop drive, and reinstall every program since 92'

You should check out some of the sailboat designing software that have out there, Hitch

That's kinda how I like to have it to, Cebu guess I'm just being too much of a stickler trying to make anything that still functions useable to me.

[Hitch]

Should be cool if you have no friends, work, or files needed to live life with.

I don't need a computer for work. My friends call me on the phone. I don't facebook or anything like that, what possible files do I need to live life with?

A computer to me is a convenience. I use it to converse with you folks, and learn. That's it. It's a great tool to research shit, but that's it.

[Hitch]

You should check out some of the sailboat designing software that have out there, Hitch.

I would like to check that out. I've got to redesign, and rebuild, my whole steering system.

I'm leaning towards the old way. Hardwoods and basic carpentry, which is all I really know anyway.

[Horn]

I don't need a computer for work. My friends call me on the phone. I don't facebook or anything like that, what possible files do I need to live life with?

A computer to me is a convenience. I use it to converse with you folks, and learn. That's it. It's a great tool to research shit, but that's it.

Did that chick from facebook dump you, yet?

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[Hitch]

Did that chick from facebook dump you, yet?

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I don't know if my girlfriend is on facebook, and actually I don't care. We are going surfing tomorrow.

[Horn]

I don't know if my girlfriend is on facebook, and actually I don't care. We are going surfing tomorrow.

Ahh, so hard you don't even want to mention her name anymore, I see.

[Horn]

http://www.softpedia.com/screenshots/Freeship_2.png

[Hitch]

Ahh, so hard you don't even want to mention her name anymore, I see.

She is a sweetheart, you'd like her. On topic, why do you even need a computer? Maybe, life would be a bit simpler and easier if poof....it was gone.

You are sucking on the tit of technology! Unplug yourself and free your existence.

[Horn]

I'm an engineer,

I take one guys drawings of dirt then place houses made out of lego blocks on them, Hitch

Its a whole lot easier to do on the computer first, than just going out there with a surfboard and a bucket with some string.

That's it, you just made the pink dots comeback on my screen. :)

[Cebu_4_2]

Where are my hoe magazines?

[Hitch]

I'm an engineer,

I take one guys drawings of dirt then place houses made out of lego blocks on them, Hitch

Its a whole lot easier to do on the computer first, than just going out there with a surfboard and a bucket with some string.

That's it, you just made the pink dots comeback on my screen. :)

You should try surfing, it really is good for the soul. Furthermore, your reliance on technology for a livelihood should be a red flag. You should plan for when the lights go out.

The ability to produce, without technology, will be a huge advantage in the near future.

[Horn]

The ability to produce, without technology, will be a huge advantage in the near future.

The ability to produce without relying on multiple forms of technology and materials will come before that.

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

What I would really love is if I could setup the os on one disk and have the ability to associate to other disk's programs. Is that possible now, I would think so as I'm sure that figurative love is not just my own :) Its a question of practicality for me as I work heavily in the programs, and have customers coming back to me after years or more after initial meetings.

Also any comments on what you do with spanning, sectors or disk management would be appreciated.

When install a program it typically asks you, at some point in the setup wizard, where you want to install the files. From there you can point to your F: drive or whatever you have set up as a separate disk. If a program takes it upon itself to install somewhere by default you can always modify the registry but that's typically a PITA.

You can span disks if you have multiple but if one goes down you potentially lose functionality of programs that may have extended files onto the bad drive. You can also do mirroring where you have two drives set up that replicate between each other. If one goes down the other takes over. Or a bunch of other RAID configurations all with up sides and down sides.

What do you mean by sectors? They're just a portion of the physical disk.

[Horn]

you can always modify the registry but that's tally a PITA.

I understand and know how to raid for protection or speed, I guess basically what I'm saying is too skip the install into the os, and just jump and run from the other drive an old program.

Why they are so specific about having the install manager within the os, should the just be a program to go and make use of the already installed and functioning program.

Guess it would be a Windows breaker.

[Horn]

Why the fuck do I have to install all this shit again

That's my main question :)

[Cebu_4_2]

When install a program it typically asks you, at some point in the setup wizard, where you want to install the files. From there you can point to your F: drive or whatever you have set up as a separate disk.

As you mentioned if you use say drive C as the instal point and put the prog on drive F the registry files go to drive C. If you lose drive C and restore the OS the prog on drive F will not work because the registry on the old drive C had all the reg files for the prog on F.

Windows is just that way. The only solution I have so far is to clone my C drive with all my progs to another separate drive G. If I have a major malfunction I can boot to G and clone it to drive C and not lose anything because all the files I need are stored on F.

[Horn]

As you mentioned if you use say drive C as the instal point and put the prog on drive F the registry files go to drive C. If you lose drive C and restore the OS the prog on drive F will not work because the registry on the old drive C had all the reg files for the prog on F.

Windows is just that way. The only solution I have so far is to clone my C drive with all my progs to another separate drive G. If I have a major malfunction I can boot to G and clone it to drive C and not lose anything because all the files I need are stored on F.

So you have 3 physical drives or do you partition one of them?

That's of interest to me also, if its possible to do some type of virtual raid on partitioned drives. Would probably max the processor?

Seems like it would be possible to have some sort of utility that preloads windows so that you could execute programs on other drives, sort of like a sub-local net possibly.

I tell you we should patent, and market.

Subnet Windows breaking technology...

[Horn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmHBLqYzimE

[Cebu_4_2]

So you have 3 physical drives or do you partition one of them?


I have separate drives.
main C drive
Storage drive for everything including email bookmarks etc which is always hooked up
A clone of C - on shelf
A cloned backup of my storage drive - on shelf

If a drive fails and I cant access other partitions I'm screwed.

I have my another partitioned with a copy via partition magic, did not work to boot from. Had to restore from a separate drive. Windows would not recognize it as a boot drive. Now that I cloned it to the partition I can use it boot from in the bios boot screen. If the drive fails I have the clone on shelf.

[mick silver]

were you live don't they just build dirt houses

[Silver Rocket Bitches!]

Why the fuck do I have to install all this shit again

That's my main question :)


The only way around that is to Thinapp your program. It'll take a snapshot of the environment pre-install then again post-install and package it all together so the executable runs on any system. That's what I've installed in our VDI environment and it works like a charm. We use VMware Horizon to create the Thinapps but Symantec has a utility as well.

[Cebu_4_2]

The only way around that is to Thinapp your program. It'll take a snapshot of the environment pre-install then again post-install and package it all together so the executable runs on any system. That's what I've installed in our VDI environment and it works like a charm. We use VMware Horizon to create the Thinapps but Symantec has a utility as well.

Sounds confusing.

[Horn]

on the write track.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idc7WfQ3zuE

is the ability to rewrite the virtual snapshot in a layman's interface pre-windows.

Or if make the entire windows os a virtual app... that would be sweet if I could capture everything from clean boot to a new windows disk.

[steyr_m]

If you're not adverse to trying Linux, openSuSE has had it's own /HOME partition for a long time. That way you can upgrade the OS and still keep your ~

[Horn]

If you're not adverse to trying Linux, openSuSE has had it's own /HOME partition for a long time. That way you can upgrade the OS and still keep your ~

That might be another option, with the linux it allows you to launch different version of windows within it, or boot onto different bootable drives?

I imagine some kind of rack systems for the drives in the future, one where you just archive entire disks per the os life. Go back and pop in 2006-2014, and all programs not associating to and upgrade os will just launch the original backdated program.

Someone needs to do to Microsoft what it did to everyone else...

[Bigjon]

I have Win7 with the operating system and program files all on a flash drive. The User part of the system is on a raid, that is the User files for all the users are broken out to the raid.

I have to get out of my comfortable leather recliner and go into another room to find the how to.

May take me a couple of days.

[Bigjon]

http://www.bbearren.com/set7free/set7free.html

This is from a thread here:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/win7-how-do-i-move-user-folder-to-a-different/565f16a5-e5ed-43c9-8422-4f56aebb296e?page=2

By looking through this thread you may glean some more interesting hints to accomplish your quest.

[Horn]

Alot of these posts confirm my thoughts,

people take issues with Microsoft W7 wanting to dominate their PC.

other than the fact I have where it runs like sludge molasses in January on 50% of the tasks I give to it.

[Horn]

I've noticed that some programs are device independent, or some such thing.

The VLC media player seems to be able to access old files without a re-install onto the new OS.

[Horn]

http://www.bbearren.com/set7free/set7free.html

This is from a thread here:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-files/win7-how-do-i-move-user-folder-to-a-different/565f16a5-e5ed-43c9-8422-4f56aebb296e?page=2

By looking through this thread you may glean some more interesting hints to accomplish your quest.

Good stuff, definitely in the right direction, thanks.