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Ponce
10th June 2014, 10:29 PM
The more that I read the more that I can feel....collect and hold all the loose coins that you can, in a way they will be more important than silver or gold, how do I know? damn If I know...I know thing that I still don't know why I I know them but I am always right.

Could it be because paper money is only paper money put out by the Feds BUT coins are put out by the US Mint and they are solid metal?

For many years I have been saying that someday you would have a "Debit-Credit-Card" where all that you earned would go there and all that you spend would come from there..........in what is to come you would be able to buy many thins with coins.
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Electronic Cash: The End of Privacy

Dollar Collapse
June 10, 2014


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Imagine cash never existed. There are only electronic records of all our financial transactions. Then imagine the reaction from the government if cash were to be introduced.

They’d be horrified. They’d fear financial collapse. They’d consider cash a weapon of mass destruction launched against law enforcement. They’d claim that because cash is anonymous and untraceable, it’s only of interest to criminals, drug cartels, terrorists, prostitution rings and money launderers. They’d demand a licensing procedure for individuals or businesses that plan to use cash, limiting it to trustworthy individuals who keep detailed, auditable records of all their cash transactions, in order to keep America safe from criminals.

Sounds crazy, right?

Not so fast. The pressure to eliminate cash — and to turn you and anyone else who prefers it into a presumptive criminal — is growing fast.

Cash — coins and paper money — is only about 10% of the aggregate U.S. money supply, or M2. The rest is just entries on the balance sheets of banks. Nevertheless, plenty of people want to get rid of this remaining bit of real currency.

For example, Kenneth Rogoff, a professor of public policy and economics at Harvard University, recently published an article in the Financial Times headlined, “Paper money is unfit for a world of high crime and low inflation.” He proposes that “it is time to consider whether … phasing out currency would address the concern that a significant fraction, particularly of large-denomination notes, appears to be used to facilitate tax evasion and illegal activity.”

Plenty of pointy-headed intellectuals agree with Rogoff. Matthew Yglesias believes that “Already, a movie character depicted as carrying a large quantity of cash can be reliably assumed to be doing something illegal,” and therefore looks forward to the day when “cash will be left with its rump use as a medium of exchange for drug dealers, tax evaders, and other shady operators and we can expect countries to start banning it altogether.”

Apparently, cash is only of interest to pimps, thieves and fraudsters. But there’s more. In a cashless society, governments could easily force people to spend their wealth by decreeing a negative interest rate for all electronic deposits: use it or lose it.

Left-wing economists salivate at the prospect of “privatized Keynesianism.” There’d be no need to run government budget deficits to spur economic activity; just force people to spend their own virtual “money.” Under a negative interest rate, “money” would be like a hot potato, as each person who receives some in exchange for goods or services tried to spend it as quickly as possible to avoid loss of purchasing power that would come from storing it in a bank.

Or what if the United States decided to implement a Cyprus-style wealth confiscation one night to ease the tremendous burden of its national debt? An all-electronic cash system would make it incredibly easy for the government to reach into your bank account and take what it needs to avoid financial collapse, leaving you with…? Nothing.

Indeed, a growing number of economists and technocrats want all money to be virtual, and therefore under the control of government and corporate financial institutions. Of course, that would mean the elimination of financial privacy once and for all. In 1976, in U.S. v. Miller, the Supreme Court decreed that there is no legitimate expectation of privacy in any financial transaction that involves a third party. Every electronic transaction involves a third party, such as bank or credit-card processing company.

No cash = no privacy.

Damned if We Do, Damned if We Don’t

Cash allows private peer-to-peer transactions. It decentralizes power in society, and preserves a space where government and corporate elites can’t monitor and control everything. That’s why, for those elites, cash has simply got to go. And it’s why we have to fight for our right to use cash.

There’s a certain irony in that. After all, most cash in use today is issued by governments, and remains their property. They retain control over it and can manipulate its value at will. They can even declare it invalid and launch a new currency, as has happened numerous times in recent history. So in fighting for the right to use cash, we’re fighting for one form of enforced dependence on government (state-issued cash) as opposed to another (electronic currency).

Plenty of people have tried to escape that contradiction. The most recent attempt is Bitcoin, the “virtual currency” that captured everyone’s attention late last year, and then collapsed in the face of hostility from a variety of governments, including China’s.

The problem with Bitcoin is that it lives in the electronic ether. It’s just as vulnerable to interference as a sovereign currency like the dollar or the euro. All it takes is a government decision to do so.

That’s why the only real escape from the slowly closing circle of government domination of our financial lives lies in hard assets — foreign real estate holdings, gold, gemstones, rare collectible stamps, art and other valuable items.

And that’s why the Sovereign Society exists — to help you learn how to make your own escape from government.

Glass
10th June 2014, 11:17 PM
we already have negative interest rates here by way of fees. It is not possible to have a bank account here in Australia and have any increase in the balance unless you add fresh money to it. Otherwise it will diminish and dwindle through fees. I pay about $25 per month in fees. I have no savings, only transaction accounts just like the above. credits go in, credits go out and fees are charged on each transaction. I collect cash from the machine to pay at stores,. Most of my trans are in cash because I don't want people to know if I have pets or kids or how much TP I use each week or if I buy ready to heat and eat products and so on. No ones f'ing business. Some trans I have to do electronic because you have no other payment method available. It's against the law to refuse a valid payment methods but companies do.

On top of that we all pay more for everything because of credit, even if we don't directly use it, everyone else is and their activities raise the cost of living for me because there is Interest and fees going into the cost of everything. Ellen Brown did 1 good article and it was on how it costs me 33% more for groceries on an annualized basis because of the use of credit cards by customers. And credit card customers can pay up to 60% more annualised because they are using credit cards. Basically the stores are charged 2% by the banks to process each CC transaction. That obviously goes onto the cost of groceries so already I am paying. Then if I used a CC and paid it like everyone else, the minimum monthly payment, I am paying the annualized interest rate on all transactions making my groceries even more expensive.

I think cars are between 33% and 40% over priced simply because of credit or finance, what ever you want to call it. I didn't realise this but a car dealer finances the cars on their lot. All of them are being financed. the consumer buys the car using finance which means they just "chuck it on the bill" and pay higher because there is no immediate pain. They spread the pain out over 3 -5 years so there is less discomfort. Then they can ignore what they did and just keep swimming in the deep end. It's so messed up you can't even begin to explain it to people.

Once cash is gone it's all over IMO. That is the end game. Not the end objective, just that the game is over, done and dusted when cash is killed off.

Ponce
10th June 2014, 11:56 PM
Maybe I am mistaken, and you can check this out, but I believe that they just started a new law in Australia where when an account has no action for three years whatever is in that account goes to the government......many have already lost a lot and are fighting it.

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Glass
11th June 2014, 01:16 AM
yes this was in the news again this week. $360 million of dollars.

So the 7 year rule has been thrown out the window. 7 years and no one hears from you that means you are dead. Cest e cue trust. If you come back from the dead you can claim it back.

govcheetos
13th June 2014, 01:44 AM
yes this was in the news again this week. $360 million of dollars.

So the 7 year rule has been thrown out the window. 7 years and no one hears from you that means you are dead. Cest e cue trust. If you come back from the dead you can claim it back.

Something to consider.